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well. it seems to me it contributes to what we're seeing. >> the crime and fear problem in america at the moment in our major cities is basically been politically created. a lot of well-intended efforts after the murder of george floyd that went astray. the de-fund the police movement. the insanity of that. refund the police, train them better. there's no doubt that some police officers have stepped back, but the majority continue to go toward the danger. that is the great frustration about the situation in texas. they went toward the danger but then stopped, for whatever reason, which we will find out eventually. da after day, american police go toward the danger. they suit up, go out there, and they're not being supported from the right or the left. when the right is encouraging, as they did on january 6th, when the mob attacked and beat, continuously attacked and beat
american police officers trying to protect the capitol, that's the republican party. city after city, politicians on the democratic far left are constantly attacking the police, strangling them with rules and regulations, as they do here in new york, we are not in a good place. but we can get to a better place. we have to work like hell to get there. >> yes. former new york city police commissioner bill bratton, thank you so much for coming on this morning. his book, "the profession, a memoir of community, race, and the arc of policing in america." it's out now in paperbook with a new epilogue. in a few hours, the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol will convene its fourth public hearing. the committee is expected to show how former president trump and his advisers coordinated a plan to submit fake electors to overturn the 2020 election. according to a "washington post" review of emails and memos,
toxic political and partisan environment it contributed to. >> alex just told me, by the way, ms. moss and her mother did sue giuliani and got a settlement. >> perfect. >> gene, we're going to continue with the january 6th story, but jackie just brought up violence. yesterday, i talked a good bit about how republicans, a certain wing of the republican party, the trump wing of the party especially, are using violent threats, violent imagery, and violence itself in a way that shows it's a fascist movement. before we continue on january 6th, i want to remind you again, remind our audience again, about the comments retired federal judge luttig made last week. donald trump and his supporters are a clear and present danger
out. we see it here with the greitens ads. i would hope republicans would call it out, but they don't. i want to underline, again, we're talking about the rise of american fascism. you can look at january 6th. you can look at ads like this. you can look at the continued use of violence and imagery. you can look at donald trump telling his audience members to beat people up in the audience that disagree with him. it is fascism. >> this is why, unfortunately, this is the only thing that needs to matter when you're casting your vote, which is very hard to say, because this country has a lot of problems and we have a lot of growing pains we still need to go through. we have a lot of issues, which we've fallen back on. right now, this is the issue to vote on. even hillary clinton made that clear, we either move forward toward continuing a democracy or we fall into something very fall and very frightening and very real. it's not an exaggeration at this
election integrity. not just in colfax, louisiana, or tennessee. but also the violence directed at those black poll workers, trying to organize their committees. and talk about the ways in which, every time we take a step forward, the american story isn't this linear progression to perfection. joe, we've been having this argument. the story is one step forward, two steps back. and people finding desperate how to live together. we have the secretary of the smithsonian. we have historians, david blight and martha jones. and senator cory booker, latosha brown, from reconstruction all the way to the current moment. >> you know what's fascinating, i think people are starting to realize this now. what's so fascinating if you really want to look and see, with united states, always moving towards a more perfect
points at this spot, people willing to do anything to cede power, to hold power, to advance themselves for their career. so, i think it's a really important part of the story. the justice department is supposed to stand for justice. and here there was an effort, at the very top of the president on down to use that department to defy the interest of justice. >> and congressman, it's sam stein here, it strikes me there's two parallel story lines going on around january 6th. one is the work that you and the rest of committee is doing right now. and the second with what's happening around the country with the election, with a lot of republican candidates who believe the big lie. and a lot who have said they would not have certified the 2020 election. i'm wondering how is that informing the work you do? and also do you think that you may have moved too slowly in
it was so far a video matter. is that all it's about? >> it's just logistics really, it's not about any witness difficulties or any division of the committee. we just like to make sure that we received in the most orderly way that we have the most professional hearing as possible and so we're making adjustments. mostly, this is a logistical matter. >> let's look ahead to tomorrow's hearing, with the vice president pence and the leadup to january 6th. what can people expect to see and hear that we don't know already? >> well, i can't get into too many specifics, as you've seen before, it will be a mix of things that the public knows. new information about the pressure campaign, potentially new images. new deposition testimony. you know, interwoven in a way that tells the story. because, i think among the most
why aren't you covering it? tom winter about all over that story. that's the predicate for everything. as eddie has said, tear down the media, don't believe what you're hearing, none of the reporting in "the new york times" or "washington post" or "wall street journal" is right, particularly when it's negative about me, president trump would say that is really the foundation. >> right. >> discredit the press. now, everything i say is the truth and nothing they say can be believed. >> by the way, if you want to know how bad faith these people are, my friends, i don't know what to do -- there's no -- i'm so confused. so, i'm going to go to china's, call it conspiracy. i can't trust anything. so, i'm going to look at a facebook -- viral facebook post that says that a pig is actually running the state department. and i go, well, there's a really simple answer for that, why don't you just read "the wall street journal"? >> yeah. >> a murdoch newspaper. the best reporters in the
important things we're doing in these hearings, we're showing how one thing related to another. how one pressure campaign related to another. how this effort built and built, until there was his last-ditch effort to stop the counting on january 6th that led to violence. and the pressure campaign against the vice president. is a very integral part of that. there are multiple lines of efforts to overturn the election. any one of them could have failed which would have resulted in a constitutional crisis. so you can expect to see stuff you haven't seen before, interwoven with things you have to tell a compelling story i hope. >> congressman schiff, jonathan lemire, we heard the comical rantings and ravings of rudy giuliani. in the last hearing, we talked about the department of justice to use doj inappropriately in order to throw out results,
the oval office. >> carol, can you elaborate on that? carol, that is so important that people realize, people like me say, oh, the center is going to hold. we're going to get through this. we have a strong constitutional republic. great checks and balances. but you see in the story that we're still here, as a constitutional republic, we're still here as a nation that doesn't throw out elections when one side doesn't like the outcome. because of some people that almost every american has never heard of before who have quietly -- quietly worked, you know, as the storm is gathering and quietly worked and furiously worked. and i think most importantly stood up to an angry president at the very time we needed them to do that. >> you know, it's such an