good evening and it s great to have you with us here on a sunday night. and we do begin tonight with that unexpected moment for a community that held out hope for a decade. amanda berry, one of the young women held captive for ten years in that cleveland house, suddenly appearing in public and there was an eruption of cheers. amanda berry there on the left, walking out on that stage during a concert. and when the fans realized who she was, it broke into applause right there, because for ten years, all they saw was this image of berry, from the missing poster, along with the faces of the two other young women. this rare public moment comes after her captor, ariel castro, just friday, spoke for the first time in a courtroom, agreeing to a plea deal, sparing himself the death penalty, now spending the rest of his life behind bars. his one request, though, to see his daughter. the little girl amanda berry gave birth to inside that home. tonight, though, cleveland celebrating its first glimpse of that young mother, trying to take her life back. here s abc s alex perez. i m going to bring out a family that you probably know. reporter: listen to the crowd s reaction when they realize just who is on that stage. the woman who survived a living nightmare made her first outdoor public appearance. give it up for amanda berry! reporter: wearing dark sunglasses and a grin from ear to ear, amanda berry took the stage at a music festival in cleveland, ohio, last night. surrounded by loved ones, berry laughed as the crowd cheered her on. the surprise public appearance, just one day after ariel castro accepted a plea deal, life in prison without parole, plus 1,000 years, for kidnapping and holding berry, the young daughter he fathered with berry, gina dejesus and michelle knight, hostage inside this house for a decade. i miss my daughter very much. reporter: as for this house of horrors, where that young child was born, cleveland officials tell us it will be torn down within the next month. help me, i m amanda berry. reporter: it was berry s voice, heard on that shocking 911 call made just seconds after escaping captivity last may. earlier this month, the women released their first video, thanking the world for their support, and the more than $1.2 million donated to help them. i m getting stronger each day. reporter: still helping her own daughter to normalcy, gina dejesus mom supporting berry. they need to be out, enjoying their life. reporter: and that strength and determination, front and center last night, as she danced along side rapper nelly. she smiled and took it all in. alex perez, abc news, cleveland. so great to see that smile. and we turn next to the weather tonight, and to those punishing rains and flooding across much of the east. the rescues. and we ask tonight, is it finally over? but first, that tropical storm gathering strength this sunday and barrelling toward the hawaiian islands at this hour. if tropical storm flossie is a direct hit, it would be the first time in more than two decades. abc meteorologist ginger zee with the pictures from the islands, where they are getting ready tonight. reporter: tonight, prepping in paradise. tropical storm flossie has hawaii in its cross-hairs. by tomorrow morning, these provisions will be put to use. they need to get themselves prepared. we sold out of our generators. reporter: it s been more than 20 years since hawaii was directly affected by anything more than a tropical depression. and it was a big one. the hurricane, in 1992, with winds up to 145 miles per hour. seven people were killed. wow, 1992. it s been a long time. but you re saying this is headed straighttowards hawaii right now? reporter: right, nothing like that 1992 storm, but this is a solid tropical storm. this is cooking west at 20 miles per hour now. it s got 60-mile-per-hour winds with it. it will start to slow down slightly, but still going to go quickly. that s good news, because monday into tuesday is the big impact. you saw the timing there. but tropical storm warnings for almost all islands. tropical storm watch up there, as well. up to 12 inches of rain, 40 to 50-mile-per-hour winds. the only good thing about it going so quickly, that means a little less rain, it will brush by. thinking about our friends in hawaii tonight. this the meantime, to the east and dorian. we thought we were done with this thing, now could be back? reporter: the tropics are tricky. you got to watch them. and that s what we re doing. national hurricane center went back out to investigate the remnants of dorian. and we re still watching that, trying to see if it can organize itself. still has a lot of dry air to fight and still has a big low pressure system, what we call upper level shear, to fight, as well. we ll be watching it. late week would be the timing if dorian comes back. all right, late week. before you go, those rescue images that came in all weekend long, we were watching them. is this finally over? reporter: this has been such a tough weekend, especially in western north carolina, up to a foot of rain in some places, less than 24 hours. the pictures are stunning. and they had multiple swift water rescues. fortunately, that rain done. now it s in the northeast and new england, but moving much more quickly. all right, thank you, ginger. one more related story to the weather tonight. heavy rain in arizona flipping over a bus. it help in dolan springs. 31 people on board believed to be traveling from vegas to the grand canyon. so far, authorities say no reports of any injuries. rescue teams are on the scene. tonight, we re learning more about a tragic accident on the hudson river near new york city this weekend. on the eve of their wedding, a bride and groom to be, on a boat with members of their wedding party. that boat slamming into a barge and tonight, two bodies now have been recovered from the water, feared to be the best man and that bride to be. again tonight, abc s aditi roy. reporter: rescue crews pulled out the body of the man they believe to be mark lennon from the hudson river this afternoon. there was a jet skier, about 11:00, 12:00 today, out, and he thought what he saw was a body. he telephoned the 911 call into our communications center. reporter: the victim was supposed to be the best man at a wedding in two weeks, and one of six passengers on a moonlit boat cruise involving members of that wedding party. yesterday afternoon, authorities discovered the body of a woman they believe was the bride to be, 30-year-old lindsey stewart. nothing but time will heal this, but it will never be forgotten. reporter: investigators say the man piloting the 21-foot stingray on friday night, 35-year-old jojo john, was drunk when he slammed into a barge near a major bridge. he s been charged with vehicular manslaughter. at this point, we have probable cause to believe he operated the boat while intoxicated and that s the basis for the charge. reporter: the groom to be, 35-year-old brian bond, was knocked unconscious during the collision. he s the one who called 911 when he came to. bond is now recovering from a broken eye socket and preparing for two funerals instead of his wedding. some witnesses are questioning whether there were enough lights on the barge. investigators say it was difficult to see late at night on the water. authorities who are responsible for the barge say they are reviewing their safety procedures. david? just a horrible story. aditi, thanks to you. and from indianapolis tonight now, we re also learning more about that deadly tour bus accident. three members of a church group were killed. the driver now telling authorities that the brakes suddenly went out. the bus was returning from a church youth camp when it slammed into a lane barrier and flipped over. a youth pastor, his pregnant wife and a member of the congregation all died. and to a remarkable scene tonight from brazil. pope francis, finishing his trip, often called the people s pope now. there have been so many images like this one here, the pope with his hand and the head of a child. and this sunday, look at this. a sea of humanity. more than 3 million people at the final mass there in rio. there were early clues in the hours after he was named pope that this could be a different papacy, tipping workers, carrying his own bags. and tonight, the catholic church is hoping this trip signals even more change. abc s alex marquardt is in rio tonight. alex? reporter: david, the millions of young catholic pilgrims who have come from around the world to rio s copacabana beach are now packing up to go home, as pope francis wraps up his first foreign trip, one he hopes will help reverse an exodus of believers from the church. they re the biggest crowds rio has ever seen. bigger even than when mick jagger played here. all for a man who has become something of a rock star himself. over the past week, pope francis has charmed his way through the masses, his energy, his light personal touch delighting the adoring crowds he stops his popemobile to wade into. i feel like he s really trying to be one with the people, rather than just trying to be a leader from the top. reporter: under that wide smile, the first latin-american pope knows his church is in crisis, hemorrhaging followers in brazil, the most catholic country on earth. their numbers dropping almost 30% in the past 40 years. in a speech to bishops this weekend, he said the church has been too intellectual, too cold. it needs a simpler, warmer message, he said. the pope has made it clear here in brazil that he plans to radically change the church, to make it more about the people, more about the poor. whether that message can re-energize the church, bring catholics back, remains to be seen. david? quite a scene there in rio today. alex, thank you. tonight, to a developing headline from washington. middle east peace talks are set to begin tomorrow in our nation s capital. the obama administration acknowledging israeli and palestinian representatives will meet in washington for the first time since 2008. earlier today, israel s cabinet agreed to release 104 palestinian prisoners. secretary of state john kerry brokered the deal to restart the talks. and tonight here, to an embattled candidate, vowing to stay in the race for new york city mayor. anthony weiner speaking in church this sunday, defending his wife from critics, asking why she s staying with him. she has not been seen, by the way, since she was by his side early last week, and today marks her birthday. abc s jeff zeleny here on the campaign trail in new york. reporter: tonight, anthony weiner is acknowledging his sins and seeking redemption. i ve got faith here. faith is like that gps device in your car, if you ever make a wrong turn, it doesn t yell at you. quietly, it says, recalculating. reporter: he went where many politicians go when they are in trouble. to church. sometimes hard to hear, he spoke of his faith in unusual terms, comparing it to a car s navigation system. brothers and sisters, i ve given it a lot of opportunities to say recalculating in my life. i have worn that machine out sometimes. reporter: weiner isn t dropping out of the mayor s race, but his campaign manager is, resigning overnight, after another sexting scandal sent the former congressman s political ambitions spiraling again. his wife, huma abedin, was not at his side today, on what was her 37th birthday. but he came to her defense. i will never stop being grateful to my wife for sticking with me. people are saying some unspeakable things about her, because she and i fought to keep our marriage together. reporter: it s the latest case of a politician s fall from grace. always men, it seems, behaving badly. judy smith, the crisis management expert who inspired the abc show scandal, weighed in on this week with george stephanopoulos. it s not like, sort of the usual politician having an affair. there s an element of creepiness to this. reporter: she expressed doubt his mayoral bid could survive. and jeff is with us now here on the desk. and weiner now saying he s going to recalculate like a gps machine. not sure it will be that easy. can he stay in the race, even though he s vowing to? politically, is that possible? reporter: that was a very bizarre turn of phrase this morning. politically, it s very difficult for him. two of his friends told me today that it s gon gone from impossible to very unlikely he can stay in. but he also thinks he has nothing to lose here. so, 44 days until the democratic primary here in new york. all right, jeff, great to have you in new york instead of washington for a change. in california tonight, a return to the church for pastor rick warren, back after losing his son to suicide. in his first sermon this sunday, he addressed that loss, saying that this country should work to erase the stigma of mental illness. here s abc s clayton sandell. reporter: wiping back tears, pastor rick warren and his wife kay were back at the pulpit of their southern california megachurch. love you, too. reporter: for the first time, sharing how faith and hope were severely tested by their son s death. not for one second did god forsake my son. not for one moment has god forsaken me. reporter: in april, 27-year-old matthew warren committed suicide. he battled mental illness his entire life. for 27 years, i prayed every day of my life for god to heal my son s mental illness. it just didn t make sense why this prayer was not being answered. but i would rather walk with god and have my questions unanswered than have all my questions answered and not walk with god. reporter: moving forward, warren says he wants to channel his grief into fighting the stigma of mental illness. your illness is not your identity. your chemistry is not your character. reporter: many of warren s 20,000 followers have faith he can do it. satan picked the wrong team to pick on. he just really did. reporter: clayton sandell, abc news, denver. clayton, our thanks to you. and we re going to turn next here tonight to a shocking polar bear attack. a lawyer from maine on a camping expedition in the north of canada dragged from his tent in the middle of the night by a bear that had broken through an electric fence. tonight, that american is in the hospital and his wife is now thanking the fellow hikers who helped save her husband. here s abc s rob nelson. reporter: tonight, a man from maine is in critical but stable condition in a montreal hospital, after being attacked by a polar bear, not pictured here, during a camping trip. matthew dyer was camping inside torngat mountains national park in labrador when the bear tore through an electrified fence and attacked him inside his tent about 1:30 wednesday morning. other campers at the site were eventually able to scare the bear off using flares. dyer was rushed to montreal general hospital by helicopter, where he underwent emergency surgery. the extent of his injuries is still unclear, but the hospital says he is making good progress. dyer s wife released this statement over the weekend, praising the hospital staff. my husband is in critical but stable condition. he is a strong man and he is making improvements every day. now, experts say polar bears attacking humans is very rare and when they do, it s usually because they are underfed, scared or even provoked. they also say that melting sea ice around is world is drawing more of these bears, david, ashore. all right, rob nelson tonight, thank you. there is still much more ahead on world news this sunday night. to catch a thief. a brand new heist this evening. after so many of those brazen break-ins, tonight, who stole more than $50 million in precious jewels from a famous hotel? 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that s going to do it for me. morning joe starts right now live from washington. hey, good morning. welcome to morning joe. it s thursday, july 11th. you take a live look at capitol hill. you know it s really, gene robinson, a picture that makes my heart swell with pride. you look at what those kids on the hill are doing every day. i know. the people s business. i get it it s like 1965 and lbj. one piece of legislation after another. spitting it out. it s like an assembly line. everywhere i go people are like rotator cuff americans are walking around with their chest pumped out. so proud of their congress. obama running out of pens to sign. hey, seriously somebody anyway with us on set, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the the huffington post, sam stein. also pulitzer-prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. columnist for bloomberg view al hunt and economic policy reporter for the new york times p annie lowry who specializes in tweeting out pictures of a meat rock. a living rock you break it open and meat inside. it s really horrifying. it is cut open and it s it s gross and intestines all over the place and breeds with itself. in new york we ve got i can t do even a segway for that, thomas roberts. we can talk about the sigh psi network sharkado, the next movie the meat rock. yeah. synergy, now it all makes ceps. it does. new york, washington, cats, dogs, coming together, beautiful thomas, it s beautiful. so speaking of new york, al hunt, this eliot spitzer guy, a new poll coming out, we re going to show the poll, he s zooming ahead. we all live in spitzer nation. spitzer here today. weiner can t be far behind, right? i don t know. and in the house, we ve got immigration we re going to be talking about. gene, it looks kind of like it s in trouble in the house. you think? i know. you think? you got your finger on the pulse there. yeah. yeah. i mean, they say they want to do it incrementally, maybe like some day later. some day later. it s not going to happen. looks like it s not going to happen. i mean theoretically ways it could happen. john boehner could change his mind and bring it up for a vote, it could happen tomorrow. sam stein, think about this, where does this president go if he doesn t get immigration reform, lost on background checks where 90% of americans were with him, where does he go next for an agenda? how do the last two years end up. things only get done if there s a trigger mechanism attached to them. you have to look down the road and see what has a trigger and sadly the next thing with a trigger is the debt ceiling. and so maybe there s some sort of negotiations around that, but the white house has pledged not to do it. it does seem like for the next two years, three years, we re in this constant state of nothing getting done. nothing. absolutely nothing. really quickly before we go to the news, wall street, absolutely horrified. like the state puff marshmallow man was coming around the corner and going to eat them all. you probably don t remember. ben bernanke is saying that just relax, big ben s here, going to take care of everything. we re not drawing all the money supply up yet. yeah. i mean they ve merely mentioned the existence of the punch bowl they ve been refilling and it s really freaked the markets out. freaking them out. internationally too. it s a big problem for europe, a big problem for emerging markets. you re looking at turbulence the next six months. another thing to remember ben bernanke is probably going to leave his post and the obama administration will name somebody new and that will come with a lot of queasiness for the markets. bernanke tried to say we re on the right path. just relax. he s been trying to calm them. they ve had this whole strategy of trying to explain themselves more to the market and it hasn t worked out terribly well. it hasn t had the intended effect of assuring markets they re going to keep their foot on the gas until they see a little bit better and there s no signs they re going to start tapering quite yet but even the mention that they will. even the mere threat. yeah. so sensitive, those markets. they really are. bizarre. let s go to thomas now for the morning s other top stories. what are we looking at, thomas? let s bring everybody up to speed on what we ve been watching. after hearing from 18 witnesses the defense has rested its case in the murder trial of george zimmerman. yesterday the big question was whether or not the neighborhood watch volunteer should actually take the stand in his own defense. nbc s ron mott reports for us. reporter: george zimmerman made up his mind. what is your decision, sir? after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. reporter: earlier as the defense wound up its case with witnesses yet to call, things got testy. i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. the tension between don west and judge debra nelson appears leftover from an afterhours court session. judge, i m not physically able to keep up this pace much longer. it s 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we ve had full days every day. weekends, depositions at night. reporter: most of this final day in the defense case focused on the testimony of an expert on the use of force. if you haven t been able to successfully win the event in the first 30 seconds, you need to change tactics. reporter: who said zimmerman had no other options but to shoot trayvon martin because he wasn t adept at fighting and felt his life was being threatened by the teen. zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder saying he fired in self-defense. i don t know what else he could have done based on his abilities because, not to be offensive to mr. zimmerman, he doesn t seem to have any. reporter: under cross-examinati cross-examination, prosecutor john guy used a foam dummy to question where zimmerman s gun was located when he pulled it. if this mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist where would the gun be in relation to me? would be at your left inner thigh. right here, right? yes. reporter: later may i use your doll a moment? reporter: defense attorney mark o mara got physical. george zimmerman, trayvon martin. reporter: refocusing on head and face injuries whether consistent with an attack. how about somebody resisting the injuries, the two lacerations could that have come from cement. somebody resisting me, pushing down like this? i believe so. they re going to start the closing arguments today, joe, at 1:00. again, that s supposed to last roughly about three hours, but it s been very interesting for people, court observers anyway, to question whether or not zimmerman was going to take the stand and a lot of people said, it just depends on the type of defense case that is put up and they ll make that decision, you know, at game time decision at the last moment. seems as if the defense feels they ve been strong enough, zimmerman doesn t need to get up and speak. listen, gene, if i m the defense, and i got a lawyer that the judge loves as much as the judge loves this defense lawyer. right. you re feeling good, aren t you? can you believe that? she cannot stand that guy. told him to shut up. she hates him. look, you re a lawyer. is it taught in law school you re supposed to yammer at the judge as she s leaving the bench and complain about the way she s running her courtroom. he s doing it for a reason. maybe he s trying to take the attention off of his client. i have no idea why he s doing it. but from people who have actually watched this thing, i haven t, they say he s doing a very good job. joe, also the other thing, quickly to point out, the tension in this room, a lot of people may have missed yesterday when judge nelson was evaluating and questioning zimmerman himself about whether he was going to testify, west objected to her questioning and she said, you can t object to the judge questioning. and you know what so she got a little mad at that. he did it ten times. i mean the guy kept doing it. anyway. we ll let everybody else in the world talk about this for the rest of the day. we re moving on now. yeah. thomas, what else is going on today? the other we have interest in. when it comes to that sfo crash dramatic recordings revealed the scene inside asiana flight 214 after last weekend s crash in san francisco. take a look. we just got in a plane crash and there are a bunch of people who still need help and there s not enough medics out here that need help. there is a woman out here on the street, on the runway, who is pretty much burned very severely on the head and we don t know what to do. were you on the plane, ma am? yes, i was on the plane. we ve been on the ground 20 minutes or half hour. there are people laying on the tarmac with head injury, we re almost losing one here, trying to keep her alive. reporter: the head of the ntsb revealed on wednesday that doors of the plane were not opened until about 90 seconds after the jet had come to a full stop with more now, nbc s tom costello. reporter: 12 flight attendants were on board flight 214p. rescuers credit their quick action with helping to save 307 lives. as the evacuation went on, the fire did continue and the flight attendants and the flight crew were involved in trying to fight the fire on the inside. reporter: two flight attendants were ejected from the rear of the plane on impact. one sustained massive head injuries, the other a broken leg. in support submitted to united airlines, a first officer waiting to take off on the same runway after 214 landed described the crash and two subvivers summabling but moving. i saw one stand up, walk a few feet and then appear to squat down. the other appeared to be a woman walking and then fell off to her side and remained on the ground until rescue personnel arrived. some of the flight attendants left for seoul, south korea, and talk briefly to reporters. translator: asiana airlines and all the flight attendants and personnel are working hard as possible to recover from this accident. reporter: the three pilots in the cockpit told investigators they struggle to line up properly for a visual landing. then they realized too late their auto throttle had not maintained the minimum speed. but investigators have not found any evidence of the auto throttle malfunctioning. retired 777 captain tom casey says auto throttle isn t designed to suddenly kick in when a plane is set up for a landing. if the airplane thinks it s landing because the radio al tim my ter says it s 50 feet it will not come in. captain is landing the airplane. we have to go back there is automation to support the pilots but the pilots also have to fly the airplane. they have to monitor and they have to fly. joe, still so much debate about what was going on in the final seconds between the pilots. it s still miraculous, though, that there wasn t more loss of life as we learn more about what went down and the images that have been coming out of there. the ntsb has been tweeting photos from inside the plane and they ve been really forthcoming with a lot of the information with their investigation as quickly as they can. it s just amazing that it wasn t a lot worse. i know. amazing it s not a lot worse. you hear, gene, these stories of people being on the ground for quite some time without emergency workers coming out there. yeah. and i want to hear more about that. i want to know more about that. because that s not the story we got initially. you know, my impression was that it had been a pretty rapid and pretty successful response, but first responders there in san francisco by the first responders in san francisco. 20 minutes. can t have that. that is really something. al, you don t like flying. i don t. but it s what we show these pictures. we have to remind everybody, especially my two olders boys, this is the longest stretch of safety in the history of u.s. aviation and none of that means anything to you, does it? no. because it s you and john madden are still going to get in your van. and mika. right. and now annie who like mika says she doesn t understand how they stay up in the air. can t trust it. listen, i was in a flight with my daughter about a month ago from atlanta and we were delayed for five hours because of lousy weather. when we were about to take off, the guy across the aisle calmly called his wife and said if i don t make it i want you to do, a, b, c. good lord. i did not need that. seriously. okay. en to happier news now, new poll numbers give what s that, thomas? i was going to say, send it back it to debbie downer, you want the new poll numbers? eliot spitzer? i was going to say, are you okay with flying, thomas? it s a necessary evil. okay. yeah. i m good with it. especially when it s for vacation. it s safe, man. it s safe. it is it s at lot safer than getting in a car and having 16-year-old girls going like this while they re coming the other way 80 miles an hour. exactly. in their daddy s pick-up truck. fly. it s safer. all right. now give us the new poll numbers. new poll numbers. eliot spitzer, early lead in the race for the new york city comptroller according to a survey released yesterday, 42% of registered democrats support the former governor. 33% backing scott stringer, that is stringer being the manhattan borough president. 44% believe that spitzer who resigned amid a prostitution scandal is a changed man and 67% believe he deserves a second chance. so five years later it seems people are responding to him being back out there publicly. i ll tell you what, he was on the show the other day and a lot of people were asking whether he really cried or not. i wasn t there. but right. by remote. mika was there, and she said hey, he had all the tell-tale signs, he was sweating, his skin was changing colors, he was deeply anguished and she s one of the more cynical people towards spitzer but said it was real and it was compelling. the thing about eliot spitzer, he reminded me of mark sanford and his comeback attempt. mark would go anywhere, talk to anybody, and annie, it was people people would sit there and keep asking tough questions and he would stay in there. i think that s i think that puts spitzer in a good place too. i think spitzer and weiner are an object lesson that in the fact in american politics there are always second acts. when these scandals are happening, the united states is apparently pretty quick to forgive, right? why are we surprised by this? bill clinton was fine, mark sanford was fine. right. you know. there s plenty. david vitter was fine. example after example david vitter, it was his wife. she was so tough, people were scared not to vote for him. remember, she goes out to the lawn, she goes, you know, david is back up in washington, d.c., now, and the kids and i are here. can you leave us alone? go after him. david vitter is having a family night fund-raiser next week. i think we ought to go to it. well eliot spitzer the next day. do i feel bad for scott stringer? like a week ago his life seemed so simple. comptroller. that s politics. he was on yesterday and did very well. yeah. impressive guy. but guy with 100% name recognition comes into the race. and self-financed. that s the way it works. no. i think he s going to do it. and again, there is, though, i wonder about anthony weiner, al hunt, when he was down here he wasn t known as a guy that got a lot of things done. or made a lot of friends. or made a lot of friends. eliot spitzer didn t make a lot of friends but eliot spitzer would come up to you and talk and engage and wasn t afraid to come on the show. i think we re going to see a big difference between how eliot spitzer tries his comeback and anthony weiner tries had is. there s something else which you have mentioned which is eliot spitzer is going for a lesser office than he held before. he s kind of starting more in the beginning if you will, whereas anthony weiner is going for an office that is ten times bigger than anything he ever aspired to before. and by the way, the question answers itself and which is, well, you know, if you get elected, you haven t paid at all. you re back in public service. comptroller of new york city instead of governor of new york state. i think it does show sure. the other question for weiner is if you get elected, why? what do you want to do? why do you want to be mayor of new york? i m not sure he s answered that question to my satisfaction. then again i don t vote in new york state. i think spitzer has one of the good things with this, is he s try to say an agenda with comptroller. you know he will do stuff. yeah. if he is comp stroller he will do stuff. billions of pension money he can invest and throw that weight around. good luck for the mayor and oh, yeah. city council. that s going to be a tough four years. speaking of it tough, immigration, al, i ve been saying for some time that everybody that thought all you had to do is get through the senate and check it off didn t know what was going on. what lay beneath in the house. i still, i don t see a way forward. certainly not for citizenship. joe, you may well have been more pressing than i. i always thought that they d kick and scream and yell but at the end couldn t walk away. whatever they had to do. i think your view is close to reality today. it was a difficult caucus yesterday. there clearly is a strong majority of republicans who are opposed to doing much of anything. but there is counter pressure and i think john boehner and paul ryan reflected that yesterday. i think high-tech industry, even evangelic evangelicals, haley barbours, george w. bush, not that they re very influential on that group, they re not, but in the end to envision the house just walking away doing nothing, is still difficult for me. i think a critical question may be here is, do they piecemeal, do piecemeal legislation and go to conference. the bill crystal/rich lowry piece said do not go to conference. once they go to conference you probably get something, but they may resist that. annie, if this house rejected if the senate even rejected background checks at 90% of americans supported why are they going to weigh in on immigration which is a much more mixed bag, especially in these districts that made the republicans, the majority party in the house? i mean the problem with disaggrating the bill and passing it in pieces the least popular and politically hardest part of this legislation is the most important. you know, h1b visas and visas for folks who have ph.d.s those aren t the controversial portions. the path to citizenship is the controversial portion but it s taken care of the problem, of the broken immigration system here. it s one of the things like al said, on the one hand you can t imagine them doing nothing and on the other hand you can t see them doing anything. how many republicans are there in the house who would kind of like to see something passed who will never vote for it, never vote for immigration reform, but realize having it pass would be good for the party? if that s a large enough block, are there enough of those guys and gals to permit boehner to allow a vote on it? that depends. won t take it on bo on boehn bouncing him out as speak er. how big is the block that won t fire me as speaker if i bring it for a vote. i think legalization is one thing but citizenship is another. i don t think there are more than a handful of republicans that want citizenship. legalization perhaps. can i make the case that this doom s day about immigration may be a bit overblown. my colleague had an interesting piece, a lot of the narrative is coming from republican aides on the hill themselves. they want to set a template, set expectations incredibly low so if this thing does fail, it s not a shock to the system. it s not all down on boehner if this thing doesn t get through the house. i still think there is a slight chance that something happens. i think that the political pressures are there. the from where? there is, obviously, wall street that is on board this. the agriculture community is on board this. the big wigs in the republican party who actually have a national vision are on board. yeah. and high-tech is on board. so at some point they will weigh in. whether that s enough, i don t know. i think we re rushing a little bit to declare something dead in part because that s what the house republicans want. they want us to think nothing can happen. joe, the other thing, appearances matter more than reality in politics i know. i can t find an example where someone lost a primary because of immigration. if a republican votes to increase taxes, climate change, a lot of other things. clearly the sense is out there this could be a killer in a primary. i don t see the examples of it. her brick perry in the primary said you don t have a heart if you don t support in-state tuition. he had other problems. he had other problems. only remember two of the three. he had other problems. thomas, what s your take? well, just want to put this out there. we ve got this tweet from congressman tim huelskamp saying that most house republicans agree with most senate republicans and americans trusting obama with border security is like trusting bill clinton with your daughter. and there you go. that s a really mature way to and all right. coming up on morning joe, we have the moderator of meet the press david gregory who we trust with anybody and dr. brzezinski and andrea mitchell and senator john thune. coming up jim vandehei joins us fors the politico playbook. here s bill karins with a check on the forecast. tell me it s going to be clear this weekend in the northeast. yeah. if we re so lucky, joe. joe, over the years i ve seen many things, people in tornadoes with videos, people videoing from the inside of a hurricane, and blizzard, but i ve never seen this before. this is video of a man that got caught in a mudslide yesterday in his car. oh, my god. oh, my god. oh, my god. [ bleep ]. ride of his life. it s funny, actually trying to steer as the river of mud took him down highway 24. outside of colorado springs. [ bleep ]. that was from the waldo canyon area. where the big waldo fire was earlier this fire season. so just amazing pictures there. show you what happened yesterday. amazing in the ohio valley. we had a bunch, 421 wind damage reports. a lot of cleanup today out there. those storms will move to the east coast today. we ve already got a lot of pop-up. it s so humid this morning on the eastern seaboard that there will be numerous showers and storms from this morning s drive right through the day and especially late this afternoon. so airport delays are possible. big cities of i-95, also the storms from the southeast. areas like colorado and texas you ll be dry today and very hot. look at our friends in dallas. 102, one of the hottest spots in the country today. you re watching morning joe we re brewed by starbucks. i do a lot oresearch on angie s list before i do any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie s list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie s list. angie s list reviews you can trust. where over seventy-five percent of store management started as i m the next american success story. working for a company hourly associates. there s opportunity here. i can use walmart s education benefits to get a degree, maybe work in it, or be an engineer, helping walmart conserve energy. even today, when our store does well, i earn quarterly bonuses. when people look at me, i hope they see someone working their way up. vo: opportunity, that s the real walmart. it s about where you re going. the new ram 1500. best-in-class 25 mpg. north american truck of the year. the truck of texas. better residual value than ford and chevy. it s the fastest-growing truck brand in america. guts. glory. ram. it s time to look at our morning papers. the dallas morning news from our parade of papers, randy travis out of surgery following a stroke suffered yesterday. it s the latest setback in the country singer s battle with congestive heart failure. travis, who was first hospitalized on sunday, remains in critical condition. and the chicago tribune illinois governor path quinn suspended state lawmakers pay yesterday after they failed to come to a resolution on pension reform. the state s unfunded pension liability has ballooned to more than $100 billion. the governor has voluntarily suspended his own pay until that matter is resolved. and is it me, is there a state in more of a mess than illinois? it is just you re from wisconsin. you have to hate illinois such a superior state to oh! is that it? smart governing and people. people as well. thank youp. all of our viewers thank you. and the washington times secretary of state john kerry became emotional while discussing his wife teresa heinz kerry who remains hospitalized after experiencing seizure-like symptoms on sunday. i just want to thank everybody for your extraordinary well wishes in the last days. teresa is doing better, under evaluation and we hope improving. i want to thank everybody for the remarkable outpouring of good wishes. it s been really very special. so glad to hear she s doing better. from the washington post walmart employees in washington, d.c., may be getting a slightly bigger paycheck. a new bill passed by the district council requires the retail giant to pay workers 50% premium over the minimum wage. walmart had threatened to cancel plans to open new stores if the bill passed. with us now from the politico playbook, jim vandehei what s going on today? you had a good conversation going on immigration and al and i were talking off set saying i just can t imagine they re going to let this thing die. they re probably going to let this thing die. the person i would watch is tom cotton. you served in congress. most of these guys aren t that impressive that are members of congress. cotton is. listen, state for the record, that politico depends on cooperation from people from the house of representatives and the senate. that s why i didn t name names. those unimpressive people. repeat your characterization of 435 members of the people s house. go ahead. i didn t name any of the individuals. pretty safe you ve been here too long. if you run into them, of course you re one of the most impressive members of congress. i wasn t talking tom cotton is a freshman, a smart guy, one of the people leading the charge to kill immigration reform. he says we want to do border security only. stood up at the conference meeting yesterday. has an editorial in the wall street journal today. i think there s a huge movement among republicans going to be led by him in the house and i think on the outside by people like bill crystal and lowery to try to avoid a conference and not have a chance where there s a compromise with the senate. they don t want to go to any sort of conference why? they don t want anything that smacks of a pathway to citizenship or broad immigration bill. they would like to focus on securing the border and then maybe some of the most popular provisions that annie was talking about earlier and come back later if they can prove that the border has been secured and then go to those measures. and that s radically different than what the senate did. for people who say that s never going to happen, republicans would never be that crazy, listen, they ve only got 14 votes in the senate and that s after marco rubio, karl rove, wall street journal, everybody advocated to do something big on immigration reform. they defanged a lot of the folks on fox news and only got 14 senate votes. the house is way, way way more conservative than the senate. this is going to be a much, much tougher sell. we ve talked about it on the show before. i think it s unlikely you get anything that smacks of that senate bill. gene, you agree? i agree if you re just talking about the republican caucus in the house. i continue to recognize that it could pass the house tomorrow with democratic votes. boehner won t do that. if the republican party wants to get on the right side of this issue, they re going to have to figure a way to get something through. and you know, i think the implications for the party, if nothing gets through, if the house blocks it as the majority of the republican caucus would like to do in the house, i think you kind of kiss national elections good-bye for the republican party for some time. al they win do you agree with that? you certainly have a huge disadvantage. it s a fast growing part of the population. not just hispanics but also asian americans which should be republicans who voted almost as much for obama as a little more. asian americans. and you know, the exit polls may be a little off there. but, in fact, they say too that s one of the driving forces. i have difficulty disagreeing with jim s analysis. my gut still tells me something is going to happen. you can t find it when you start talking to people. the stuff they do pass, jim, may cause problems for them. for instance, the border security, a lot of that cotton is talking about is fraudulent. the idea of spending 46 or $50 billion they proposed to have almost as many troops on the mexican border as we do in the dmz. i mean, it really is it may be great cover for voting for a bill, but if you do that stand alone, it seems to me you really look foolish. yeah. if this doesn t pass i think it s pretty clear what 2014 will be about in a lot of races. and you know, i think that is that is the political calculus here. it s going to be more painful to pass than not to. despite the fact that i think a lot of republicans think that that s not the best possible way forward. yeah. and the great challenge for the republicans will be going into 2014, whether you re talking specifically about immigration or a background check bill that 90% of americans, what did you do? what did you do over the past two years? harry truman would have had a hell of a lot of fun with this congress because they will be called a do nothing congress. the problem for an individual republican member of congress, it s in his or her political interest to vote immigration down. right. for the party, it s definitely the party s interest to do something on immigration and so how do they square that? if you just did a gut check you can t be squared but i m not convinced we should give up hope. if you did a gut check and rewound the tape and listen to what every republican was saying after the election, we have to do better with hispanics, asians, gay voters, women think about the republican congress and the rhetoric since then. ask yourself have they made any progress? no. you can argue they probably set themselves back if you think about the reaction to the gay marriage ruling, this debate. i don t think your initial analysis washyperbole. you can t win reelections if you re just relying on white voters. those are demographic trends. it s happening. and we re not, so lots of luck, fellas. stay with us, jim. we have sports next. time is running out for the breakout star yasiel puig to make the all-star team. why he may not make it to citifield next week. sports is coming up next. if you ve got it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and man, you know how that feels. copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. does breathing with copd weigh you down? 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yeah. okay. gayle collins wrights must-see tv. i don t know about that. incredible. okay. no just an interview. o.j. simpson bronco chase. just an interview. the new york times she writes this, new york sizzles. when spitzer left he vowed to try outside of politics to serve the common good. then, suddenly, this week he was back inside politics. announcing that he was going to run for office again because, as he said on msnbc s morning joe, i believe in service. time after time we hear a scandal tarred politician vow to go away and make amends. time after time we envision a stint as a missionary or a hospital volunteer. time after time we are disappointed. spitzer said on morning joe that during his five years in exile, i ve tried to do things that matter in a small, quiet way. this seemed like a strange way to describe multiple stints hosting political talk shows. nobody knows what drove spitzer to jump in. did weiner s entry trigger a case of disgraced politician competitiveness? is he bored? if this guy wins all hopes of getting errant politicians to do penance anywhere but a cnn studio is gone forever. is this not public service? i don t i thought that s it s not charity. good point. i just do this because i love the kids, i love america. exactly. i want to make it the best place to live. jesus loves you for it. i don t think eliot spitzer gave eliot spitzer a show on cnn. at $90 million a year, yes, he does. is he ahead of you or slightly behind? on the $90 million. it s hard to say. you know how much money you have, you obviously don t have enough money. isn t that what you re telling me, sam stein. basically, be yeah. the idea that politicians are ego testcle shouldn t shock anyone. i m not shocked eliot spitzer likes being in the spotlight basically. a question of what you want to do with your life. eliot spitzer has money. people that know him in law firms say he s absolutely bored. there is nothing wrong, though, with somebody loving he says public service. whether you want to call it public service, al, or politics, some people that, you know, let s give an example, bill clinton could have made millions and millions of dollars, he would have much rather been in politics. some people just prefer serving whether you call it public service or politics. it s in them. it s in them. good at it. eliot spitzer is one of those people. you want to have more people who could that. you air what his problems are. i don t have any problem. i don t have any problem with eliot spitzer running for this office. just because he had this scandal he could never run for elected office again. the people will decide whether it taints him irrevocably. there shouldn t be a restriction on what you can do because you got caught start doing for other people that we suck up into unbelievable ways who have done far worse things. would you like me to name some names. no. stop it. just stop it. it would take too long. and such a hypocrisy in the way we respond to certain people and actions and all i ll say is i don t really know what how i feel about eliot spitzer s performance on our show and whether it makes a difference. okay. but there are others who d we know there are others! we know who you re talking about. we do? let s move on. so anyway it s hypocritical. what do we have next? only one word necessary to tease the news you can t use. and it is not the two word phrase plumber s crack. it is sharknado. we re going to explain. mika you will be happy to know, called my husband, woke him up, patrick is searching for the picture of spiderman with plumber s crack. i would like to see that. spiderman. we ll be right back. so. 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video this guy standing on the stairs. watching him. either a very diligent bodyguard or omnis you pervert. you have to remember that. you re not going to remember [ inaudible ]. everybody does that. what are you that s the coolest spot [ inaudible ]. you know what, canada, time to pick him up. i think it is. welcome back to morning joe. still at the table. that s ridiculous. joining us on set former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve ratner. here in washington with us. also the moderator of meet the press david gregory and nbc chief foreign appears correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports andrea mitchell. good to have you all on board this morning. well i wasn t prepared to respond to justin bieber. i know. i wasn t either actually. i don t think justin bieber was prepared. got a lot to talk about. a picture of george w. bush stepping back into the fray and if you believe what you hear from capitol hill, republicans are going to just say no again. yeah. for the second time on immigration, david gregory. you know, george w. bush represented a lot of the right answers on immigration in the view of more moderate republicans and a lot of democrats. that s today and even true then. it was conservatives and some democrats but conservatives who did immigration reform in when he tried it. now he is not a voice that conservative rank and file republicans in the house are listening to and saying oh, that gives us cover or he s right, we should do something. they are as opposed to this idea of a comprehensive amnesty bill as they described as ever. here you ve got the business community, the chamber of commerce, agriculture community, evangelicals, catholics, clergymen across the country, and they are not listening because in their districts, it doesn t pay any benefit. there is no cost to voting against immigration. and the piecemeal approach is basically saying let s throw a lot of money at border security. john mccain has pointed out and he s been hero ig on this issue, it is a total waste of money what they did in the senate, but it is political cover. but just to do border security and nothing else, would be fiscal conservatives ought to be ashamed. you know, the thing is, again, steve ratner, we were saying here before, if the house was not going to be moved anymore than republicans in the senate were going to be moved, on background checks for criminals and background checks for the mentally ill and background checks for terrorists, they weren t going to be any more likely to run and embrace an immigration bill that a lot of them believe is amnesty. that certainly seems to be what s happening. i think a lot of us are kind of incredulous after the election, after the people spoke, after the republicans all did their mea culpa and went off and thought about it and came back and said we want to be a more reasonable party, that these two pieces of legislation would go down on this basis. the immigration bill is not an economic issue. economists on both sides of the political spectrum agree immigration is a positive force. this is a social and political issue that we re seeing reflected. you got people, steve king from iowa, how many immigrants are there in his district. this is not about the risk of of immigrants in his district. it s a completely different political issue. a lot of people in steve king s district that don t want this. this is a rationale decision politically for a lot of republicans in the house of representatives who were not who will still look at mitt romney and correctly say this was a flawed candidate. right. he lost because he was a terrible candidate, ran a terrible campaign. don t try to make me make a vote in my district that i believe and people in my district believe are amnesty. there s the national versus the local republican mindset and in dan ball s new book, even romney advisers and i think romney himself admitted they probably went too far with the anti-immigration rhetoric, the self-deportation line was harmful. i want to pick up on andrea s point, which is that a lot of the excuses the house republicans are putting out there, just don t hold up. the border is probably more secure now, metrically more secure than any other time. $40 billion more to the border security is excessive. and the vast majority of illegal immigration comes from overstaying visas. you don t fix that throwing more people at the border or fences at the border. you have to do something else. the excuses put up are just a convenient way to say no to a pathway to citizenship which has all the house republicans bothered. broken down all the time. this was the issue in 2006 as well. it s not a matter it always breaks down around at what point do illegal immigrants become legal citizens or on a pathway to legal citizenship. and i just think the politics are totally different. you know, paul ryan has made the case that, in fact, there is an economic benefit from immigration reform. he s taken on the heritage foundation and others that said that s not the case. he s not willing and perhaps not able to play that marco rubio role in the senate. marco rubio is a lot more sensitive to what the national trends are for the republican party winning the white house in part because it s likely he ll run for president. but a lot of these rank and file house members are not similarly swayed and ryan does not is not committed to making this his issue. and just tells you how much john boehner is afraid of mccarthy and cantor and of leadership fights to come. the fact that the speaker of the house can the fact that he decided to gor the hastert rule saying he would not do anything unless there were a majority of republicans when there is a way that with nancy pelosi they could have cobbled together a majority to get something out and at least go to conference but they don t want to go to conference, don t want be to ruled by the senate. the tweet by congressman tim huelskamp. tweeted this most house republicans agree with most senate republicans and americans. trusting obama with border security is like trusting bill clinton with your daughter. that s unfortunate. there s a bigger point which i actually think health care has had a bigger impact. republicans i ve talked to and some of this may be political cover, but they say look, look at rule change on the employer mandate, how can you trust the administration to execute on a big immigration reform plan. i think that s going to fuel a lot of the midterm cycle campaigning. again whether that s cover or a real belief or combination. not just that. i was talking to a really good friend of mine. i wanted to talk music because we were both big beatle fans. he wanted to talk politics. and i heard for about 30 minutes, you know, what s going on in washington, joe, he s like bengha benghazi. come on, really. at lot of people are asking that question. still? asking all those questions. and then the irs and he goes into the irs. and a lot of really damming questions. then he goes into the nsa. and my friend who s always been fairly moderate politically, like what s going on in washington, d.c.? and against this backdrop, barack obama telling everybody and the obama administration and saying hey, trust washington, we re going to take care of border security, and a lot of americans aren t trusting their government right now because there s been one shock after another after another over the past six months. i understand they re saying it and i think we can all infer why they re saying it, but it s such a cop out to say the solution is government should never do anything because government can t do anything. no. let s all go back in our bunkers and have no government. it s ridiculous. but you would agree, though, that there s been there s been one negative story after another after another about government incompetence here, or government failures but i would say just to get your blood boiling at this hour. thank you, steve. the affordable care act will go down as one of the most important pieces of social legislation i agree. that just makes me laugh. i wouldn t laugh. i would not laugh. government or a lot of government. it s not it s the idea government is getting smaller under the obama administration. are you putting a program in place like the affordable care act, like immigration reform, when you don t know the impact. are you executing on something you don t know the impact of. a lot of people who are distrustful of that. that s true of any piece of legislation. you pass a piece of legislation, do your best to figure out the consequences how it will work, get the experts to tell you no. hold on a second not to make your blood boil, the first two big things the obama administration did. first of all they had to bail out the largest spending bill in the history of the american country. yeah. and nobody read it. nobody knew what was in it. we interviewed one congressman, one congresswoman, one senator after another, nobody had any idea what was in that piece of legislation before it passed and it has failed on many fronts for that reason. secondly the affordable health care act, nancy pelosi herself said, we need to pass this so we ll know what s in it. people still don t know who voted on it what s in the affordable care act. come on, steve of courthere is e ground between passing these monstrous pieces of legislation where nobody knows the details and passing items bit by bit and piece by piece where the people who vote on it knows what s in the legislation before it passed. i agree with that. let s go to break. because the bills were too large, sort of dodd/frank for that matter doesn t mean you take a problem like immigration which everybody agrees is a major problem and say it s too big a problem we can t pass a bill we have confidence will work we re not going to do anything. why not take the bill crystal approach, bill crystal was for immigration reform in 06 when others weren t and said please, let s just stop with all of these super-sized bills, approach immigration one problem at a time and pass them piecemeal and if we pass them piecemeal. that will never happen. we will know what s in the legislation and do it thoughtfully. because what the thoughtful approach per bill crystal would be just do the border security and then there s no pressure to do the pathway. that s all they want. the border security. that s all they ll do. one other point here, minor point, is background checks. i peen, there are all these issues like background checks and immigration that are nationally popular but not popular within these largely republican safe districts. as long as that s the case, the administration thought after newtown they could jump in with a passion and horror over newtown and get something done and joe manchin really showing huge courage and i interviewed mark kelly and gabby gifford and mark kelly said where is the legislative action all these months later and how could this be happening? because if you look at the districts and look at midterm elections they don t feel any pressure. it s a national issue, polling is 95%, but not in the districts. yeah. we have to get to tom costello who s standing by for an update on the asiana flight 214. we re learn morgue about the evac ways protocols used during last week s crash. he joins us live from san francisco with that. tom? hi, mika, guys, good morning to you. behind me the flood lights out there on runway 28 left the ntsb has cleared the runway from its investigators, that means they ve turned it over, can start cleaning it up and move it to a warehouse where they will examine the debris, but it s going to be a while before 28 left is open. meanwhile we know that the pilots waited 90 seconds before ordering passengers to evacuate during that time, the fire started of course underneath the plane, when they got off, many passengers called 911. 911 emergency. what are you reporting? reporter: the first harrowing calls to 911 from passengers who just escaped the burning 777. i think the majority of people who got off. i tried to stay back but i think there was at least a handful of people behind me before everyone was telling us to get out. reporter: as more than 300 people escaped down the emergency chutes and the smoke poured out of the plane the calls became frantic. yes. i was on the plane. we ve been on the ground, i don t know, 20 minutes or a half hour. there are people laying op the tarmac with critical injuries, head injuries, we re almost losing a woman here. we re trying to keep her alive. reporter: the pilots waited 90 seconds before ordering passengers to evacuate not realizing how bad the crash was. the tower was already sending fire/rescue. two minutes after the crash, the first emergency response vehicle arrived on scene. reporter: back at the crash scene, late wednesday evening, survivors and family members were escorted to the remains of flight 214 for a final look and to remember the two young girls who died. meanwhile, the seat belts inside the asiana 777 are now getting special attention. if i did not have the one more, you know, strap going around my chest, i probably would hit the ceiling on the plane. that s how hard it was. reporter: some of the passengers sitting in asiana s business class seats had three point seat belts similar to those used in cars. while passengers sitting in economy had only traditional lap belts. during the crash doctors say many of those passengers were violently folded over their seat belts and then snapped back again, causing serious internal and spinal injuries. orthopedic surgeon has seen it before. the injury occurs between the thoracic and lumbar spine and the crushes the front of the vertebrae and can damage the spinal cord. reporter: sometimes use three point belts when the seat in front is too far away to provide protection. u.s. airlines have resisted three-point belts because they don t allow passengers to brace for impact and not required by the faa. we want to talk to you briefly about that lag time allegation an getting medics, ambulances to the crash scene. we talked to the fire department about that. they told us that the first ambulances on the scene were private ambulances, the fire department s ambulances arrived within 13 minutes, but the incident commander staged them away from the crash scene at first concerned that the plane was going to blow up. meanwhile, the pilot has told investigators he thought he saw a flash of light that blinded him at 500 feet. the investigator s are looking at that and also about whether the auto throttle was working, not working or whether the pilots did not know how to use the auto throttle. back to you. wow. tom costello, thank you very much. steve, what s your take, all these days later? the 90 second delay? when the dust settles op this you re going to see some great acts on the part of the crew in getting those people off the plane because they did eventually get them off safely and see some incredibly disorganized and confused and lack of observance of the protocols and procedures, both getting them off the plane but also just flying the plane. four pilots on that plane and they just seemed not to be able to communicate with each other or perform their duties the way one was in the cabin. only three in the cockpit. right. wow. all right. steve ratner and david gregory, david you re going to take off for the hill but steve stay with us if you can. andrea mitchell, thank you. see you at 1:00 on andrea mitchell reports. why time magazine says egyptians are great at protesting but terrible at democracy. rick stengel reveals the new issue next. you want to stay for that. i can stay for that. i need help. dr. zbigniew brzezinski joins us here on set. you re watching morning joe brewed by starbucks. dionne wants to save on dinner with her family. what if changing 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[buzzer] dangnabbit. geico. fifteen minutes could save you.well, you know. there is a crisis in egypt and the way to move egypt beyond crisis and towards a better future is for the authorities to embrace a process that is inclusive, that leads to a transition back to a civilian/democratically elected government, and that responds to the hopes and aspirations of the egyptian people. of all the egyptian people. how is that working out? do you see any indications of the wow. 21 past the hour. joining us now, former national security adviser for president carter and author of strategic vision, america and the crisis of global power dr. zbigniew brzezinski. dad, thanks for being on the set this morning. and in new york, we have time magazine managing editor rick stengel here to unveil the latest issue of time magazine, perfect for our panel on set in washington, with andrea mitchell, steve ratner and eugene robinson. rick, go ahead. what s on the cover? it s sort of witty treatment of what s happening in egypt, world s best protesters, world s worst democrats. it s a combination of stories by our middle east correspondent carl vick and fa reed za car ya about what really is the world historical events going on in egypt. egypt, of course, was the sort of the birth of the arab spring and what we ve seen now is the overturning of the first democratic election in egyptian history. that goes basically back 6,000 years. the question is, the larger question is, when is it ac teptble to overturn the results of a democratic election. the people who have done it says when you have an authoritarian figure who s undermining democracy and there are those that say look, this is a return to the military autocracy they were all protesting about a year and a half ago. it s an interesting story. it presents a strategic problem for the u.s. fareed talks about egypt as a perfect example of what he calls ill liberal democracies. where there s democracy but isn t freedom. the irony is that for many years, the people in the west have wanted the muslim brotherhood, organizations like that, to embrace politics, become part of the political process. they finally did do that and then they have seen this blow up in their faces and what fareid talks about, does this now incentivize the muslim brotherhood to do what they have done for 80 years before, be in the opposition underground trying to undermine progressive trends in that country. it s a catch 22 situation and difficult to know what to do and how to respond. you have in time carl vick reporting from cairo on the troubling precedence set by last week s military coup. dad, to you, what are the ramifications of what went down over the last ten days and possibilities out of it? can you call it a coup? the ramifications are enormous. and things can go dramatically wrong throughout the region because the issues are interwoven, egypt, the israeli/palestinian peace process, iran, things can go terribly badly. i think time magazine is rendering us a public service addressing this issue in a larger perspective and i have a strange feeling about this whole thing. i have a sense that the president, president obama, has a unique choice now, unique opportunity. he ll either go down in history as being very ineffective, or he may be presiding, if he s stedfast and clear headed, over a remarkable turnaround. because things in egypt may work out well. this was a coup against anarchy. and the brazilian army, turkish army has given us examples how you can return to constitutional militaryism through military coups. doing a heroic job in the israeli/palestinian process. in my wildest dreams i can see some day netanyahu, abbas and kerry walking down the aisle to get the nobel peace prize. syria may calm down if we get not only the russians but the chinese, the japanese, the indians involved in larger approach to that issue because it all depends on the oil. last but not least look at the change in iran which gives us an opportunity to negotiate. now if all of that comes together, it will be a remarkable turnaround and a dangerous moment in history. andrea? as the person who presided over with jimmy carter at the helm the last and first great peace treaty between arabs and jews, do you think that john kerry really has a chance here dealing with netanyahu and a weak palestinian leader? he s trying to clear out the underbrush and doing all of this shuttle diplomacy. no one has done this in decades. is there real chance here between these two leaders? i think there is a chance in the sense that the israeli public opinion, 63% now clearly favor a solution along the lines that actually i have been talking about for years, four things. no right of return. so israel is not endangered demographically. sharing of jerusalem in some fashion that gives the two religions a sense of equality. demille tarization of the palestinian state and a deal based on 67 lines accommodations. 63% of israelis support that. i think netanyahu is clever. sometimes too opportunistic, but he s smart. he s pragmatic. 90% of americans support background checks and can not get that done here. public opinion polls don t always get you where you want sometimes they open the doors. i agree. let me ask you, because you talked about the possibility of obama being a transformational president in the foreign policy area. we can go through country by country. back to egypt, what, if anything, should he be doing differently than what he s doing now, which is not very much obviously, to make it come out the right way and assure his place in history? well, first of all, not to get overly involved publicly, this is a sensitive issue obviously within egypt and american meddling can be extremely counter productive. people don t like medalers and america has gotten the reputation of beak imperialistic. we have to stay back. give it a chance. we gave the brazilian military several chances and they restored democracy in brazil in an important way. the army saved democracy in turkey several times. not every military coup is in itself evil. it depends on what it is against. and this particular case, i think it s quite clear that country was sliding into anarchy and 80 million people in a militaristic fanatical religious frenzy combined could be explosive. sure. what does it mean, dr. brzezinski, that we re being outspent in egypt in terms of aid, the saudis and the uae are pouring and kuwait are pouring something like $12 billion into the country now that the military is back in charge. the qataris were giving billions of dollars to the muslim brotherhood government and presumably will continue funding the brotherhood perhaps under the table? we re giving $1.5 billion a year and that s kind of looking like chump change at this point. does that make a difference? that may be a good thing. i think the region can settle itself if it gets itself organized in a fashion as rationale, strategically mindful, alert. the fact that these countries are helping the military stabilize the situation is something we should quietly applaud. i wouldn t applaud it publicly either. i think we have to have a low profile. sure. stedfast, try to protect the israeli/egyptian peace, because that s a very important source of stability in the middle east. beyond that, not dictate. rick stengel? yes. dr. brzezinski, thank you for endorsing our story. i m curious where you see the progressive elements in the military? i mean, i m heartened by how optimistic you are, but i m curious to see who in the military, what are the strains in the military, where people are, yes, what we really want to do now is we ousted this incompetent leader and now we want to restore progressive democracy and, of course, what will now happen to the muslim brotherhood who until now were basically the only organized force in egyptian politics at all? look, it s not up to us to make that choice. it s up to the egyptians. who knew what sadat would be like before sadat became what he was. people surface. i have no idea what general alsisy is like. no way of judging. i don t know what morsi is really like. but i do know that there was a definite slide towards anarchy in egypt. our question to your term optimistic, i m not optimistic but i see a shadow of opportunity, which if seized, could be really transformational. and the thing is, the idea what i do endorse, is this idea that the transition to democracy, is never an yees thing. this was the first democratic election in egypt in 6,000 years. the idea that they would immediately get it right, when we ve been working on it for 200 years ourselves, is a little unrealistic as well. absolutely right. although 6,000 years, you know, america has been around for 6,000 years, even if it hasn t been fully. when did our democracy arrive. that s a good question. a final note out of foreign policy magazine, a piece entitled the new arab awakening and in part says this, islamism or any ideology for that matter is no replacement for competent, responsible leadership. but let us not discount this momentous opportunity. the second egyptian revolution is a bellwether for moderates in the region who should now seek to regain the initiative. this call for tolerance risks being drowned out by an increase in violence, an unwelcome rise in sec tarism, the uncertain role of islamist political groups, the growth and foreign meddling by regional aggressors and a deepening economic crisis. the voice of moderation, the spirit of compassion and respect for others must be nurtured and protected by anwar garrgash. how that happens i think is the next question, can it happen? exactly. i don t exclude the possibility that it can happen if we address all of these four issues intelligently, moderately, patiently and in the case of the presidential leadership with decisive support. the president ultimately has to be involved. i think obama has a unique chance, it may not work, but if you think of the interaction of these four things, it really is an alternative between massive regional chaos in which we become involved for a long time, or perhaps a breakthrough to something which promises transformational result. dad, thank you. the new issue of time is out now. rick stengel, thank you very much. dr. zbigniew brzezinski, to be more formal, thank you as well. thank you. senator john thune on the new republican push to block key aspects of obama care. good. thank goodness somebody is out there doing god s work. morning joe will be right back. pnc virtual wallet®. for seeing the big financial picture. for knowing the days your money is going out, and when it s coming in. for having danger days, to warn you when you re running a little low. for help seeing your money in a whole new light go to pncvirtualwallet.com and see everything pnc virtual wallet® has to offer. pnc bank. for the achiever in you®. happy birthday! it s a painting easel! the tide s coming in! this is my favorite one. it s upside down. oh, sorry. 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no. it s a privilege. and honor, right? it s an honor. tell us about the book and why you put together these letters? some of them are deeply personal and was everybody in the family on board with that? what s the back story? everyone is on board, everyone is very excited. we didn t know they existed and when we discovered them, they were amazed and we thought it was very interesting. how were they discovered? i went down with my father to the university of it texas which is where my grandfather donated all of his papers and the university of texas staff cur rated these boxes and many dozens of boxes of papers and found these world war ii papers he had written home to my grandmother and she had saved every one of them. wow. and they lasted all these years. i can t imagine to go through all those papers and to find these letters, because some of them are so personal. i ll read from one, this is december 12th, 1943. cronkite s letter to his wife. another gloomy sunday. this time made even lonelier by the fact that it is just a year ago today that i left you on this last longest trip of all. i held a secret hope, almost a belief, that nothing would really keep us apart for long and that somehow we would be together before many more months had passed. well now it has been a year and although some say the end is in sight, it still seems to be a far stretch down the road. it hasn t been much fun. it won t be fun until we can be together again. must have been so moving to go through those letters. it was. and they had a wonderful marriage, as you can see here, 65 years they were married, just shy of 65 years. and they truly loved each other. they had a good time. a great rapport with each other. funny, kind of both ripped on each other. especially my grandmother, but a great sense of humor and always trying to bring my grandfather s ego down a peg. they had a really great relationship. lovely. so what did you what did you learn from the book about your grandparents that you didn t know? what surprised you? what was new and interesting, particularly for you as a grandson? the adventures my grandfather had in the war. i had grown up hearing stories about his war time experiences, but reading about them and reading about all these things he did like flyingp. his firsthand account of flying and bombing raids over germany, crash landing in gliders, these are the stories i heard growing up, but reading his account that he wrote right after, right after participating in it, was pretty interesting. i m curious what you learned about journalism as you read the book and the way your grandfather practiced it and what does it say about journalism today, if anything? on one of the this is one of the early stages of completely unbiased objective journalism with the wire services, one of the first practitioners of totally objective journalism, and they re competitive. all the wire services werep really, you know, up, ap, were very competitive with each other and cutthroat and trying to race back and write their stories faster and get it out quickly and accuracy, very much first, but they wanted to get the story in first as well. yeah. these letters are amazing. they re so he writes long, beautiful letters to his wife. yeah. sam, do you to that? no. we have a thing called e-mail. we don t have to do letters these days. sam, write long beautiful e-mails. every day. 50 years from now, somebody s going to try to reconstruct a life or an era in somebody s life from text messages. it s going to be exactly. lol. yeah. and stuff. it s not the same. no. obviously not. he starts out, my darlingest one. i ve got to rush now, honey, i love you. this is after an eight-page letter. i love you, be you know, and miss you terribly. tell little judy and the family howdy for me, forever walter. and judy is the family dog. judy is the spanle. he was obsessed with judy. we had to edit almost a little of judy out because there s so much judy in these letters. a little inappropriate like who is judy. i love it. tom brokaw wrote the forward of the book. he calls your grandparents story a quintessential american love story. it s lovely. the book is cronkite s war. walter cronkite iv, thank you so much. great to have you on the show. up next a big announcement in the fight against poverty. how some of the world s biggest musical acts are pitching in for this important cause. you re watching morning joe brewed by starbucks. 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it is so exciting. today we are so excited to announce the second annual global citizen festival to take place on the great lawn of central park. this free concert will feature stevie wonder, kings of leon, alicia keys and john mayer all headlining and making a massive impact for the world s poor. this concert is taking place on september 28 on the great lawn of central park. we re going to make a massive impact as world leaders gather in new york city for this year s u.n. general assembly meeting. so every time you guys do something, it gets bigger. this is definitely this is impressive. is it raising money? funneling money in specific directions to try and pare down, make a difference on the issue of poverty, which has so many different angles you could take that you could spend the rest of your life and not tackle it? how do you focus on what you re doing? we focus on four key policy issues. we want to ultimately take action on global education and prioritize the 57 million children who currently are denied education. we want to focus on women s equality and see that women s equality becomes a central issue for the post-millennium gulf framework. also see that children receive basic immunizations they deserve. and that health care workers in sub-saharan africa get the training they need to do their job effectively. and highlight public/private partnerships for development. where public corporations and develop work together for the world s poor. i remember back in may of this year on this very show we had a debate around the roundtable about whether or not global poverty would be eradicated on its own and that it was basically a process that was going to happen regardless of what ngos did because countries like india and china were growing economically and that would lift the entire boat, or the entire ocean i should say. what is your take on that? and if it s not going to happen on its own, what role do ngos play in filling in the gaps? it s a great question. all the data suggests if you left it up to the economy alone, there would be be 60 million people in our world living in poverty if you simply allowed economic forces by themselves. that s where intervention such as access to health care, education, women s equality come in and that s where ngos have a critical role to play. when they deliver mosquito bed nets, they help the economic process. when people provide basic vaccines to support the world s poorest people. or when children are educated, particularly women, because the education of women has a much greater effect on economic growth because ultimately women are inclined to invest back into their economy. and so if you leave it up to economic forces alone, you re going to get somewhere. but ngos have a critical role to play to end extreme poverty. i have a quick question. what about poverty in america? we ve been seeing articles about hunger, children hunger, child hunger in america. do you focus on that? is that a problem on the scale of what s happening globally? poverty in america is a huge challenge. there are some fantastic organizations such as robinhood and so many others on the cutting edge of fighting poverty in america. our focus is on global poverty. we focus on the sort of useless suffering where a child would die for lack of a 30-cent immunizati immunization. we focus on the bottom billion. . 1 billion people on this planet who live on less than $1.25 per day. we believe that s why this global citizen festival is important. it s going to provide an opportunity to build a long-lasting movement to see an end to extreme poverty by 2030. for more information, you can get tickets and other things that you can do to h ep, visit globalfestiv globalfestival.com. hugh evans is the ceo of the global poverty project. you re 30 years old and i just, i so hope you can find something substantive to do with your life, but thank you for coming on the show today. i really appreciate it. up next, forgive and forget? 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talk to us today. come take my hand right now tonight to case the promised land good moral in, it s 8:00 a.n the east coast. as we come back to the set. and in new york, thomas roberts. joe, let s bring everybody up to speed on what we ve been watching. after hearing from 18 witnesses, the defense has rested its case in the murder trial of george zimmerman. yesterday the big question was whether or not the neighborhood watch volunteer should take the stand in his own defense. reporter: george zimmerman made up his mind. what is your decision, sir? after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. reporter: earlier as the defense wound up its case with witnesses yet to call, things got testy. i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time, sir, to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. the tension between defense attorney don west and judge nelson appears leftover from a previous session. it s 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we ve had full days every day. weekends, depositions at night. reporter: most of this final day in the case focused on the testimony of an expert on the use of force. if you haven t been successfully able to win the event in the first 30 seconds, you need to change tactics. reporter: who said zimmerman had no other options but to shoot martin because he wasn t adept at fighting and felt his life was threatened by the teen. saying he fired in self-defense. i don t know what else he could have done based on his abilities. because not to be offensive to mr. zimmerman but he doesn t seem to have any. reporter: under cross examination, prosecutor john guy used a foam dummy to question where zimmerman s gun was located when he pulled it. if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? would be at your left inner thigh. right here, right? yes. reporter: later may i use reporter: defense attorney mark o mara also got physical. refocussing attention on zimmerman s face and head injuries and whether they re consistent with an attack. how about this? how about somebody resisting the attempt, the injuries, the lacerations? could that have come from cement, if somebody was resisting me? i believe so. reporter: so again they re going to start the close arguments today at 1:00. that s supposed to last roughly about three hours. but it s been very interesting for court observers to question whether or not zimmerman was going to take the stand. a lot of people said it depends on the type of defense case that is put up and they ll make that decision, you know, at the last moment. it seems as the defense feels they ve been strong enough that zimmerman doesn t need to get up and speak. listen, gene, if i m the defense and i got a lawyer that the judge loves as much as the judge loves this defense lawyer right, you re feeling good, aren t you. can you believe that? she told the guy to shut up. she hates him. well, look, you re a lawyer, is it taught in law school you re supposed to yammer at the judge as she s leaving the bench? and complain about the way she s running her courtroom? he s doing it for a reason. maybe he s trying to take the attention off of his client. i have no idea why he s doing it. but from people who have actually watched this thing, i haven t, they say he s doing a very good job. real quickly, to point out the tension that s in this room, a lot of people may have missed yesterday when judge nelson was evague wa evaluating and questioning zimmerman himself about whether he would testify, west objected to her questioning, and she said, you can t object to the judge questioning. well, and you know what so she got a little mad at that. did it ten times, i mean, kept doing it. we ll let everybody else in the world talk about this for the rest of the day. we re moving on now. thomas, what else is going on today that there s other big news, especially when it comes to that sfo crash. dramatic recordings reveal the scene inside just moments after last weekend s crash in san francisco. take a listen. we just got in a plane crash, and there are a bunch of people who still need help and there s not enough medics out here. there s a woman out here on the street, on the runway, who is pretty much burned very severely on the head and we don t know what to do. are you on the plane, ma am? yes, i was on the plane. we ve been on the ground, i don t know, 20 minutes or a half hour. there are people laying on the tarmac with critical injuries, head injuries. we re trying to keep her alive. the head of the ntsb revealed on wednesday that the doors of the plane were not open till about 90 seconds after the jet had come to a full stop. with more now, nbc s tom costello. reporter: 12 flight attendants were on board flight 214. rescuers credit their quick action with helping to save 307 lives. as the evacuation went on, the fire did continue. and the flight attendants and the flight crew were involved in trying to fight the fire on the inside. reporter: two flight attendants were ejected from the rear of the plane on impact. one sustained massive head injuries. the other, a broken leg. in a report, a first officer in a 747 waiting to take off on the same runway after flight 214 landed described the crash and then two survivors stumbling but moving. i saw one survivor stand up, walk a few feet, then appear to squat down. the other appeared to be a one and was walking, then fell off to her side and remained on the ground till rescue personnel arrived. some flight attendants left for seoul south korea and talked briefly to reporters. translator: asiana airlines and all the flight attendants are working as hard as possible to recover. reporter: meanwhile, the three pilots in the congress pill told investigators they struggled to line up properly for a visual landing, then realized too late their auto throttle had not maintained a minimum speed but investigators have not found any evidence of the throttle malfunctioning. retired 777 captain tom casey says auto throttle isn t designed to suddenly kick in when a plane is set up for a landing. if the airplane thinks its landing because it s only at 50 feet, then it will not come in, it just says, well, captain s landing the airplane. we have to go back to there is automation there to support the pilots but the pilots have to fly the airplane, monitor and fly. there s still so much debate about what was going on in the final seconds between the pilots. it s still miraculous there wasn t more loss of life as we learn more about what went down and the images that have been coming out of there. the ntsb has been tweeting photos. they ve been forthcoming with a lot of the information, with there information. it s just amazing that it wasn t a lot worse. i know. amazing it s not a lot worse. you hear these stories of people being on the ground for quite some time without emergency workers. yeah, that s i want to hear more about that. because that s not the story we got initially. my impression was it had been a pretty rapid and successful response by the first responders there in san francisco. 20 minutes. i mean, that can t have that. that is really something. al, you tonigdon t like flying. i don t. it s why we show these pictures. we got to remind en, especially my two older boys, that this is the strong et stretch of safety in the history of u.s. aviation and none of that means anything to you, does it, you and john madden are still going to get in your van and mika. and now like mika who doesn t understand how they stay up in the air. i was in a flight with my daughter about a month ago from atlanta and we were delayed five hours because of lousy weather. the guy across the aisle very calmly called his wife and said, if i don t make it, i want you to do at which point if we don t make it. i did not need that. serious. okay. on to happier news now. what s that, thomas? i was going to say, send it back to debby downer, you want these new poll numbers for eliot spitzer? i was going to say, are you okay with flying, thomas? it s a necessary evil. good guy. yeah, i m good with it. especially when it s for vacation. it s safe, man, it s safe. it is. it s a lot safer than getting in a car and having 16-year-old girls going like this while they re coming the other way 80 miles an hour in their daddy s pickup truck. why? it s safer. all right, now, give us the new poll numbers. eliot spitzer, early lead in the race for new york city comptroller. 42% of registered democrats support the former government. 33% backing scott stringer. stringer being the manhattan borough president. 44% believe spitzer, who resigned from office amid a prosecution scandal, is a changed man now. and believe he deserves a second chance. i ll tell you what, he was on the show the other day and a lot of people are asking whether he really cried or not. of course i wasn t there. but mika was there and she said he had all the telltale signs. he was sketch iweating. he was deeply anguished. she s one of the more cynical people. but said it was real and it was compelling. you know, the thing about eliot spitz spitzer, he reminded me of mark sanford. that mark would go anywhere, he d talk to anybody, and, annie, people would sit there and keep asking tough questions and he d stay in there. i think that put spitzer in a good place too. i think spitzer and weiner are an object lesson in the fact that in american politics there are always second acts. as bad as it is when these scandals are happening, the united states is apparently pretty quick to forgive. why are we surprised by this? bill clinton was fine. mark sanford was fine. you know, there s plenty there s been example after example by the way, david vitter, it was his wife. she was so tough, people were scared not to vote for him. whenever she goes out to the lawn, she goes, you know david is back up in washington, d.c. now and the kids and i are here, can you leave us alone? go after him. you know, we all david vitter is having a family night fund-raiser next week. well, spitzer the next day like a week ago, his life seemed so simple. that s politics. he was on yesterday and did very well. he s a preimpressive guy. a guy with 100% name recognition comes into the race. i think he s going to do it. again, there is though i wonder about anthony weiner. when he was down here, he wasn t really known as a guy that got a lot of things done. or made a lot of friends. or made a lot of friends. eliot spitzer didn t make a lot of friends but eliot spitzer would always come up to you and talk and engage. again, wasn t afraid to come on the show. i think we re going to see a big difference between how eliot spitzer tries his comeback and anthony weiner tries his. i think there s something else, which you had mentioned, eliot spitzer is going for a lesser office than he hold before. starting more in the beginning. whereas anthony weiner is going for an office ten ties bigger than anything he ever aspired to before. by the way, the question abcs itself. which is, you know, if you get re-elected, if you get elected, why, you haven t paid at all, you haven t been punished at all, you re back in public service. comptroller of new york city instead of governor of new york state. i think it does show some humility. the other question for weiner is, if you get elected, why, i mean, what do you want to do, why do you want to be mayor of new york. i m not sure he answered that question to my satisfaction. i think spitzer has actually one of the good things he s done is he s actually tried to say a productive agenda. so you can associate him with the office much more you know he will do stuff. he will do stuff. he ll have a pot of billions of dollars pension money that he can invest and throw that weight around. good luck for the mayor. and city council. it s going to be a tough four years. speaking of tough, immigration. al, have been saying for some time that everybody thought all it had to do was get through the senate and sort of check it off. didn t know what was going on, what lay beneath in the house. still, i don t see a way forward. certainly not for citizenship. joe, you may well have been more prescient than i. in the end, they couldn t walk away, whatever they had to do. i think your view is closer to reality. really was a difficult caucus yesterday. clearly is a strong majority of republicans who are opposed, i think, to doing much of anything. right. but i think there is counterpressure. boehner and ryan reflected that yesterday. i think high-tech industry, even some evangelical, the haley barbours, the george w. bush. it s not that their very influential, they re not, but i think in the end, to envision the house just walking away, doing nothing, is still difficult for me. i think a critical question may be here, do they do piecemeal legislation and go to conference? said above all, do not go to conference. once they go to conference, i think you probably get something, but i think they resist that. coming up on morning joe, he s leading a push to permanently delay the president s health care law. senator john thune on set. also, dee dee myers, new york times reporter. first, a look at the forecast. it s very humid in the eastern portions of the u.s. we all like to think we d play it cool if we ever got caught in anything bad while driving our car. let s judge how john handled driving into a mudslide yesterday. oh, my god. oh, my god. oh, my god. 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[ bleep ] oh, my god, [ bleep ] he did end up safe. that onramp up ahead on the let, his car came to a stop. he actually said that about five seconds before the mudslide hit him, a cop car went in reverse at about 30 miles per hour past him. he said that was a sign that he should have done the same exact thing. he was recording it because he was actually going he heard about the flooding and he wanted to go videotape it. he found it. as far as this morning, we got the very high humidity levels. the dew points are off the charts. there s always showers and thunderstorms on i-95 from boston to new york to d.c. that will continue all day. shouldn t be too severe. we will get airport delays because of that. more comfortable air mass today over the ohio valley, up to buffalo. it s very hot in dallas today. 102. it looks like the heat s going to continue there all week long. still pretty warm in the intermountain west. at least we re not in the 100s anymore. you know who is having beautiful weather? the northwest. gorgeous in seattle and through oregon this july. enjoy it. looks like it s going to continue as we go throughout much of this week. we leave you the shot of new york city. this is just about as thick and soupy as the air gets for around here. more showers and storms on the way this afternoon. good time to get away from the big apple. you re whatting morning joe brewed by starbucks. pnc virtual wallet®. for a whole new way to view your finances. for organizing debit card purchases, credit card purchases and even your bills. for seeing your spending by category or by month. so you can set a budget and get alerts when you re running low. for keeping track of your spending to see when you re coming close to the limit you ve set. for seeing how pnc virtual wallet® can help you manage your money in one simple to use place, go to pncvirtualwallet.com. pnc bank. for the achiever in you®. happy birthday! it s a painting easel! the tide s coming in! this is my favorite one. it s upside down. oh, sorry. 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i think it is, joe, but i m been inner is me er in several house republicans. there are a lot who want to legislate on this issue. it s going to be tough to thread the needle. you have to find that combination of people who there are going to be a lot of people who aren t going to be for a path for citizenship but there are people who are for would democrats in the senate support that? for democrats in the senate, it s about is it about citizenship or nothing? pretty much. that s where if you get into a conference, that s going to be the big rub. i think that in chatting with a lot of house republicans including a number of the conservatives, many would like to see the house act on the issue. it is going to be difficult. they can t do it like the senate did. they can t do a big comprehensive bill. if they do some of the border security pieces first and give people something to vote for there, they may be able to get some legislation passed in the house. would the senate agree to a bill that doesn t grant citizenship but provides legalization? i think it s a tough sell for the senate. especially since they passed a comprehensive bill that does all of this. they re going back, you know, and take that provision away when it s already passed the senate, that would be a very tough sell. the big bet right now is the house will come back and they ll do something with border security and something like the dream act which is sort of the pared down version of this comb pr prehencive bill and then, you know, walk home and say we did something. i wonder if that s going to be good enough for pro-reform advocates at this juncture, probably not. they re not going to give one group the path to citizenship without dealing with it more broadly. if it s a choice of nothing or passing the dream act, do they really walk away from the dream act? it s a good question. there s such a cry, as senator said, for a path to citizenship. i think there s an interesting split happening now with conservatives in the house. some the most conservative members saying they want the children taken care of. the people who were brought here unwittingly, through no fault of their own. that is the kind compassionate conservativism, if you will, that i think a lot of republicans are saying, okay, well, this is something we can handle, but legalization for the others, no way. you know, it might be you need to wait till the next congress to do something this. that s when a presidential election is actually in focus as opposed to midterms. you can say that about a of things. does that make it easier or hard harder? a nominee running for office isn t going to be bogged down with a platform. they re going to have to come up with a strategy where they can pass it with republican votes because i don t think they ll get help from democrats. if they do these things piecemeal. there may be some democrats in some states that would vote for elements of an immigration bill. i think the republicans are going to have to think about, as they pursue this, how do we get 218 republicans to vote for this? let s get to obama care or the president s health care plan. senator thune, you, along with 45 other republican senators, sent a letter to president obama. mika s going to love this one. i love the way you state you want to permanently delay the implementation. you want to get rid of it. right. okay. semantics, come on. there have been a number of appeals in the house to repeal it entirely. when they came out last week on tuesday before independence day through a blog post and dumped this idea of, you know, canceling the employer mandate in the bill obviously a lot of us seized on that, said, wait, that s great for small businesses who have been complaining about complying with the mandate, but what about everybody else, the individuals hit with the individual mandate? let s delay this. at least delay it as they proposed for a year. many of us would love to see it permanently. you even have progressives talking about getting rid of the mandate, getting rid of the employer mandate. this is actually something that could happen on a permanent basis. because liberals have always thought, a lot of liberals and think tankings have always thought it was a bad idea. if you think about how it works operationally, it s 50 employees or more. have to or plans that are government approved. full time is defined as 30 or more hours. so up gyou ve got more and more people pushed into part-tyime jobs. it was hurting the economy. i think the administration recognized its expensive, it s complicated. they were hearing from businesses. and they decided to delay it. dee dee myers, i was saying this during the debate, i had so many small business owners in pensacola and across my district come up to me while this debate was going on saying, just saying, you know, a couple years ago, i m going to have to take my best employees, i ll have to knock them down to under 30 hours. i m going to probably lose them. because i don t have a big enough margin to be able to afford this. it seems the white house heard that so much, so often, that they realized this really was, as the republicans have been saying, going to cause a drain on the economy. the vast majority of businesses with 50-plus employees already provide insurance. the notion this creates some new paradigm is not true. there are some that don t. and it is complicated. but i think the white house has always recognized that the devil s in the details. now they re living in that space where this is a very complicated bill. one that was there s a lot of compromises in getting it done. now they re in the phase of trying to passing the regs, write the regs, create the exchanges and stuff for the individuals and make it operational. they understand if they don t get it right, the bill can t the law in the long term will be much more difficult for it to succeed. this is where the rubber meets the road for them. i think so. i understand the debate other the employer mandate. even the new york times had a piece on a restaurant that would love to see what you re trying to make happen, happen. having said that, are there parts john thune are there parts of the bill that you think would be good for america? you guys clip this part right here. are there parts of the bill that are good for this country? i think things have to be addressed that are problems. you ve talked about them, mika. you have to deal with pre-existing conditions for sure. most insurance companies have already agreed to cover kids up to 26 which is something that was required in the bill. obviously, there are a lot of people who don t have access to health care coverage in this country who need to have access to it. do you think they should? sure, absolutely. we just decide our view was you didn t need a massive 2,700 page bill to deal with some of these problems in the health care system. that s the way we d like to see this approach. when you do something this big and this massive that affects one-sixth of the american economy, i think you create a lot of problems. i have a question on that. at some point, you have to recognize the law of the land is the law of the land. seems to me from the big macro perspective is the republicans are by and large trying to hurt the implementation law, then turning around and saying the law s not working. a perfect example of this is the nfl trying to help facilitate the exchanges. making sure the information is out there. why was it so important to you guys to make sure they didn t help facilitate the exchanges? part of what makes the exchanges work is getting people signed up. our view is anything we can do to delay the implementation of this, to insulate people from the impacts of this, is a good thing. there was another thing that was sort of underreported this last week. with regard to this whole subject. that is the administration is going to allow people to self-report their income when it comes to eligibility for subsidies and the exchanges. astounding you would allow people to say, this is my income. if i can get a bigger subsidy by having this amount of income versus this amount, they re going to allow that self-reporting. that s a recipe for fraud. can you work on the irs for us? good luck with that. i d appreciate that. one question is why not work with the administration and make the law better? recognize that it is the law of the land rather than say we re only going to work well, i think in the end, i mean, we recognize there are things about this that could be done that might fix it. the medical device tax, a big vote to repeal that. there s a great op-ed earlier this week, talked about how that s impacting innovation. there are things we d like to do with deal with the more problem attic pieces of this. if they say we re going to delay the implementation of the major key component, our argument is let s delay this thing and get to a point hopefully where we cab do this the right way. one of the things i hear some your republican colleagues slightly concerned about is, you know, while you were a lot of you were their thrilled to hear this president was delaying a key part of this, you risk sounding like i told you so if you say this is failing, see, we knew all along. i wonder if you re concerned you might be dancing on the grave a little bit too gleefully. i think in many respects if you look we re responding to where the public is on this. people are still very sour on this idea. i think they see the idea the possibility they could lose the coverage they have. they see premiums going up. they know taxes that are going up. our taxes are going up. i think there are lots of issues related to this. so i think where we are right now is on the side of the public. we don t want to be most of us voted against it. being naysayers about it and suggesting in its implementation it s going to be very difficult i don t think is anything we haven t said before. obviously we ve been hearing and talking about democrats in the senate especially concerned about the inpla men tation, afraid that maybe kathleen sebelius and hhs weren t going to be up to responding as quickly. was there at least behind the scenes relief from democrats on the hill, like, thank god we re not going to have to defend that in 2014? right, well, i look at it this way. to the extend the employer mandate is no longer in the picture, it doesn t help democrats, it just takes away something bad that might have happened. i think what they need to do is they need to find a way you re seeing this with the group advertising about the benefits of obama care. i think they need to find a way to sell this and convince the public as the senator said, a skeptical public, this is sound policy. senator john thune, thank you very much. i m glad to see you ve got joe eating healthy. those are surely his apple slices. no, they re mine. he wouldn t touch these. hey, john, john, they re right here. right here. got to get here in the 6:00 hour. stay with us. still ahead, our next guest says ben bernanke is winning his standoff with the financial markets. the wall street journal s john hilsonrath joins us when morning joe comes right back. discover card. i missed a payment. aw, shoot. shoot! this is bad. no! we re good! this is your first time missing a payment. and you ve got the it card, so we won t hike up your apr for paying late. that s great! it is great! thank you. at discover, we treat you like you d treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness. when she was only fifteen hours first open hold. surgery. handing her over for surgery is the hardest thing i ve. ever had to do. before obamacare, insurance companies could put lifetime. caps on your health insurance. once you hit that cap. they don t pay anymore. zoe was half way to her cap before her first birthday. anncr: obamacare ended lifetime caps stacey: thanks to obamacare, we can now afford the care. that zoe needs. and for her, that s a lifesaver. and then another. and another. and if you do it. and your friends do it. and their friends do it. soon we ll be walking our way to awareness, support and an end to alzheimer s disease. and that? 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because, you know, the afally is the market s kind of like on steroids, right, that it needs this medication to keep going. when he talked about pulling it back, people flipped out. the point i m making today is they re starting to get comfortable with the idea. the dow s back over 15,000. he was out talking yesterday up in boston. again, kind of reiterating this message. the market shrugged it off. after spending a lot of june kind of going up and down every time he said anything about it. the question is sort one i ask myself every day, samstein, how long can you overmedicate? i don t know. i find it amazing how sensitive the market is to whatever bernanke did. if he ate the wrong thing for lunch, will our interest rates skyrocket? they study this man with such scrutiny, it s crazy. and they end up getting mixed messages. because they spend so much time reading tea leaves they don t listen to what he s saying. takes weeks and weeks for him to get this message i m a prospective homebuyer. it looks like real estate s doing pretty well. but i m worried about the interest rate on a loan. what should i take from all this? we had a big spasm in the last month, interest rates shot up. people asking this question, are rates going up? do i need to lock in now? i think the spasm got out of the system and things are settling down. basically the market knows what the fed is going to tell it. i think rates probably settle down for the next few months. go ahead, jeremy. as you point out, the sweepstakes for a fed replacement for bernanke, they re heating up. given the makeup of the senate and the strong resistance to just about anybody president obama appoints, is there somebody who can satisfy the more conservative element of the party? this is where i think there s a really interesting drama playing out. between two people, janet yellen who worked in the white house in 1990s and larry somers. with janet yellen, obama has a chance to do something historic, to announce the first woman to run the central bank on its 100th year anniversary. then you have larry somers who also worked at the treasury, he was the treasury secretary. he s close to obama. slightly more polarizing. his eating habits my colleague had a story earlier this week talking about his close relationship with obama, and it looks like he s getting serious consideration. so then you look at the senate. how would they handle a somer s nomination to the fed? i thing with yellen, i think she has a much easier ride. it s kind of like obama would be daring republicans to challenge a very competent woman to run the fed. so another piece of the puzzle would be hedge funds and how they re doing. help me out here because i m going to show the new cover of bloomberg business week. they have a provocative symbol i guess in terms of the question of all this. wow. okay. alex, when you told me it was provocative, i didn t think you meant that provocative. hedge funds are an posh piece of this puzzle, are they not? well, concernly are. i think the story there is they don t have the kind of returns, you know, that they claim to and they basically take all the money from the investors. i guess how would you say i m not sure what the word would be, but if you re an investor in these things about hedge funds or men? let s not expand this criticism, okay. trying to make that one a little polite. i think so actually. the wall street journal s john hilsonrath. thank you very much. i wasn t ready for it myself. coming up, after eight long sad months, it s back. the twinkie. i have no idea why but i m glad jobs are being saved i guess. the sweet details are next when morning joe returns. american express credit card, every purchase earns you 2% cash back, which is deposited in your fidelity account. is that it? 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the twinkie apocalypse. reporter: the future of these guilty pleasures may be crumbling. is this really it? no, it s over. no more twinkies? this is it. reporter: a labor dispute ended in bankruptcy. depriving snack cake lovers of their daily dose. some folks even started hoarding them. peddled them on ebay. now a miracle. a guilty pleasure is back. july 15, twinkies are coming back out on the shelves. you like sweets, you like cake? reporter: they re calling it the sweetest comeback in the history of ever. hostess, bought by two private equity firms, has returned with a full-blown marketing bonanza. an online countdown. and cheery twinkie teens fan out across the nation, heralding their arrival to stores next week. the response? i miss my good old friend. twinkies! you re not going to do that, are you? no, sir. man, this is going to be like this. reporter: and on twitter, there really is christmas in july. thank you, lord of sugar. there is a god. nothing it seems lasts forever except of course the twinkie. the tiwinkie. what is the shelf life? i understand it s 45 days. perfect. so that fallout shelter that i built and stacked full of twinkies, i ll be finished. these poor people who went out and bought 100 boxes of twinkies, what are they going to do now? sell them to me. i m buying low. all right, coming up, what do you get when you combine the fear of sharks and the destruction of a tornado? my friends, #sharknado. that s news you can t use next. this is so good. and one of the most efficient trucking networks, with safe, experienced drivers. we work directly with manufacturers, eliminating costly markups, and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country. when you see our low prices, remember the wheels turning behind the scenes, delivering for millions of americans, everyday. dedication: that s the real walmart well, everything but palm trees, sunshine and fruity drinks, that is. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie s list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie s list. angie s list reviews you can trust. so you can capture your receipts, ink for all business purchases. and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can. time now for some news you can t use. something so incredibly amazing, i m having a hard time properly describe it. i give you sharknado. the storm s coming, coming fast. i just can t sit back and watch this. ahh! tornadoes heading towards the airport. we need to destroy it before it gets to this. watch out! all right so this film comes from the production company that has brought us certain hits like mega shark versus giant octopus. i love that one. that starred debby gibson and lorenzo lamos. and the two headed shark attack with carmen electra. where can i catch all of this shark tastic action? you can catch that tonight when sharknado appears on sci-fi. what is that? i know what i m doing this weekend! that looks so bad. that s awesome! some advice to the viewers that s the only news you can t use. what s that? we re going to get a picture. when the sharknado actually happens, what you should do is just let the shark flop around till it dies. just step away from it and it dies. gene s a veteran of many i ve been through many sharknados. why don t bill s forecasts look more like this? sharks are flying through the sky. somebody should get these snakes off the plane. mika, i m working on the picture for you. i can t wait to see it. right through the billboard. that shark flew right through the billboard! i could watch this all night. out there owning it. the ones getting involved and staying engaged. they re not afraid to question the path they re on. because the one question they never want to ask is how did i end up here? i started schwab for those people. people who want to take ownership of their investments, like they do in every other aspect of their lives. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? 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fear, even in top professions. this neurosurgeon, whose identity we re not revealing, said she was bullied daily by a former boss. it was very difficult to walk into the operating room if you had just had somebody kind of take the top of your head off. he also, you know, threatened us in terms of our jobs on a regular basis. reporter: how would you describe this two years. unadulterated misery and hell. reporter: adult bullying affects an estimated 12 million americans in the workplace. nearly 1/3 women than men. jane pratt, a successful magazine editor, remembers how debilitating it was when she was bullied by a former boss. i remember being in a conference room with a bunch of other people around and he was yelling at me so fiercely and this close to my face, i started to feel like maybe i was going to faint because it was all it was just it was too much. reporter: author jill brook has studied adult bullying and says it s almost become accepted office behavior. it is becoming an epidemic in the workplace because people are responding to their fear of losing job and status so as a result they consider this behavior survival of the fittest. reporter: causing emotional issues like depression and mood swings to physical ones like headaches and weight gain. you gained a lot of weight? i gained a tremendous amount of weight. reporter: how much? probably 40, 50 pounds. reporter: here s what brooks says you should do if you re bullied. first, speak up. bullies respond to resistance. next, make sure you document the bullying to have proof. build consensus with others. there is strength in numbers. jane pratt who s now a boss herself says learn from your experience. you set the tone. you have to set the tone. reporter: nice works. nice works. it really does. reporter: amy robuck, abc news, new york. no excuse for it, right? there really isn t. have you ever had an official bully in your tv career? no. thankfully i ve never had anything to do like this. there s an interesting stat. the economic downturn has put undue stress on bosses which is causing them to take it out on their employees. that s absolutely no excuse. it is no excuse. absolutely right. people are human so maybe that plays a part. there s no excuse. so to believe only the bosses are allowed to have some stress-induced reaction. people are less productive when they re shutting down inside. this can be very dangerous. there was a girl at yale university who was killed because it was just all workplace violence. it all had to do with the fact that her co-worker just went off the rales and killed her one day. this can be very dangerous. it is important to speak up. no doubt about it. coming up, there is one in every neighborhood this time of year. the haunted house that terry fies the kids and fascinates the adults. but one here it s the angry neighbors causing the scare. slimming down fido. the new work jut for pudgy pets. you re watching it s the time of year for skeletons, monsters, gob lynns and ghosts. in one neighborhood the who he call display is becoming a nightmare. more from kevin lewis from our station in washington, d.c. reporter: the sights and sounds are impressive. eight attractions on 1/4 acre of land owned by donna care. we re probably going to have zombies in here. reporter: this year s decorations were sprouting up. this is mr. pumpkin head. reporter: when a 37 page restraining order, a cease and desist, arrived in the mail friday. it s made me sick to my stomach when you have people hating on you and when you re trying to do a thing for the community. it hurts me. reporter: at least 11 neighbors says her trek of terror creates a traffic hazard with limited parking and few sidewalks. while county leaders add, her house isn t zoned for commercial use even though the event is free. nobody wants to be seen as not accommodating, but i think that from the beginning a number of people, and i would put myself as one of them, saw this as an accident waiting to happen. supporter, supporter, support er. reporter: not true says care citing a record of safety. at an event open five nights a year, one created for children. it s where kids can go and have fun and look and see scary stuff. i want to fight back. i don t think what the county has done has been fair. it s taken away my rights. they ve taken away my due process. reporter: next tuesday both parties will state their argument in front of a maryland district court judge. until then donna care and her team of support staff will continue prepping this yard confident this gate won t be closed for good. in silver spring, i m kevin lewis, abc 7 news. for five nights they re doing all this? if i lived next door i wouldn t want people on my lawn, urinating, five nights, halloween, you tough it out. easy for me to say, i m not the person next door. five nights, she s been doing it for a while. traffic is probably not going to go through there. it s perfectly safe, she says. as we sit here without any decorations. and people on our front lawn. true. on our front lawn. are you ready for this one? we ve got a vomit warming here. if vomit freaks you out, put it on mute for a second. a weather man in hartford, connecticut, scott heeney is his name. he thinks he s eating grape nuts. from the floor. he thinks he dropped a grape nut. he must have been eating grape nuts. he thinks he s being funny, he does the three second rule. hey, three second rule. you just ate it off the floor. he says, this tastes really nasty like an old shoe or something. you can tell something s not quite right. they move on but they don t know what he ate at this point. then he goes to the weather map and he solved the mystery. listen to what he ate? those were not grape nuts that i ate. i kept finding more and more of it on the floor. i thought it was grape nuts. it looked just like it. my cat threw up and i must have stepped in it and that s what i ate. disgusting. i thought it was grape nuts. i ate cat vomit. on television. i don t know what s crazier, eating cat vomit or admitting to it on tv. you could have laid low and never brought it up again. i have so many questions. number one, why is he eating a trail of grape nuts. if there are grape nuts following you everywhere you go and you don t have them in your hand, they re not your grape nuts. so many questions. we need to do an investigative piece on this one. oh, my goodness. that is so gross. i m having a hard time getting over that. okay. let s watch something heartwarming and wonderful to have you stop thinking about that cat vomit that that weather man just ate. this is amazing. this is one of those great reunions. we show you resoon ons between service members and their pets all the time. homecoming. this is great, great stuff. this is odie at the window when he sees his papa is on the other side of the window who had been deployed since christmas eve of 2011. he simply loses his mind. he doesn t know what to do, go to the window, goes to the door. his owner, his dad there, he s kind of giving him a sense going for a little bit. love it. love it. odie is loving his papa. mom s on the other side encouraging the whole thing. it is just the cutest thing. a lot of people love pets. unconditional love. it s amazing how they remember. all these years later. going on two years and there he is. real quick, we ve got to get to maybe the officially cutest cat in the whole world. put it up. lives in china. snoopy s the name. 2,075 followers on chinese twitter, instagram. if you re wondering what kind of crazy cat that is, it s an american short hair and persian mix. he is becoming wildly popular possibly replacing maru this morning on world news now , widespread outrage. the anger spreading from capitol hill to around the nation. the pinch on military families and just about everyone else on day ten of the government shutdown. greatest couples, spouses so dedicated to saving lives. they both dedicated kidneys. it s considered a first. diana nyad s all day and all night swim in the middle of new york city. we catch up with her fans traveling from all over to join her cause. face to face, kanye west and jimmy kimmel together. his surprising appearance on late night tv and the skinny on this thursday, october 10th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now with john muller and diana perez. great idea to get on kimmel, me. not for famous me. i ll start ranting and raving on kimmel and he invites me on to end the feud. you go on and that s the platform. excuse me. yawn. what an awful interview. we ll have that. real news. we begin with real developments in the government shutdown which is entering day number ten. top republicans meet with the president today in the white house. key republican leaders are signaling that they may be willing to consider funding the government without defunding obama care. the latest poll shows the gop is taking a hit on the impasse. it grows day by day. here s abc s jim avilan. reporter: a lone volunteer trimming the trees and mowing the lawn. at dover air force base the shutdown hits america s bravest. fallen heroes, 26 killed in action in afghanistan brought to military bases at home since the shutdown. their families denied the $100,000 so-called death gratuity. the four heroes brought home, all killed over the weekend, in an i.e.d. attack. sergeant patrick c. hawkins of carlisle, pennsylvania. sergeant joseph, peters, of springfield, missouri. pfc cody patterson and first lieutenant jennifer m.moreno of san diego. they were forced to raise money for the funeral. she sacrificed for her country. there is no excuse. the outrage heard and the pentagon announced a contract with a civilian charity to pay the death ben knit immediately. but a more widespread problem remains unsolved. veterans affairs secretary warning congress more than 5 million military members and their families won t get their benefits if the shutdown continues. reporter: only essential federal facilities are supposed to remain open during the shutdown, and as one senator put it, a fit congress is important but essential? his advice was shut down the gyms until the madness ends. jim avila, abc news, washington. we do have some breaking news from libya where the prime minister has been kidnapped. armed rebels have him from tripoli to a convoy of waiting cars. it is not known whose behind the kidnapping. in an extremely rare move, president obama has relieved the top admiral of duty. he s being investigated for using $1500 of fake gambling chips at an iowa casino. he was the commander of u.s. nuclear forces. now he ll be demoted in rank and assigned to unspecified duties. a former police officer was shot and killed after he opened fire on the federal building in west virginia. thomas gicard was a 20 year veteran before he retired 13 years ago. investigators are still searching for a motive including the possibility that he had some kind of issue with the federal government. incredible collision in texas caught on camera. take a look at this. that truck carrying those big pipes, you saw it go flying, got stuck on the tracks a few minutes before the train crashed into it. the driver escaped. in fact, no one was hurt but the truck got pushed a half a mile down the tracks. wow. i mean, i m amazed the train didn t derail. that is just incredible. it s in two different angles. i just realized that. it s amazing that no one was killed in this. amazing they couldn t get word to, you know, some kind of dispatcher that, hey, we have a problem down here. i wonder how long that guy was stuck there? minutes. so there was probably no he got out just in time to get out. here we go. one more time. one more time. all the big pipes go flying. whew. wow. we re lucky it was only pipes on that thing and it wasn t carrying something flammable. very good point. let s talk about hot air balloons. they will be heading back into the skies over albuquerque, new mexico, this morning. a day after an accident sent two men to hospital. one has undergone surgery for injuries he sustained when the balloon hit the power lines and the gone dodola crashed to the ground. reporter: photos taken by witnesses show it flying dangerously low in albuquerque. it becomes entangled in the lines and then flames. flames, you can hear all of this. the gondola goes down. you it men inside the balloon suffered serious burns. witnesses say they could hear the screams. some used water bottles to douse the passengers and put out the fire. it is the second crash in three days at the world s largest balloon festival. a woman over the weekend rushed away by paramedics after a crash landing. these scenes of peaceful beauty marred by hard falls and sobering statistics. since 2001 19 people have died in hot air balloon crashes. former faa safety investigator dominic camello has investigated hundreds of hot air balloon accidents? reporter: what s the biggest risk of flying a hot air balloon? power lines. it was a power line that caused donta stallworth s balloon to come down. reporter: a thing of beauty that comes with risk. cecelia vega, abc news, los angeles. a health alert to expectant mothers experiencing depression during pregnancy. doctors studied 4500 mothers and their teenage children, they discovered that mothers that were depressed were more likely to pass that along to their children. the american medical association suggests screening and to treat it as early as possible. a san diego couple is the first in the nation to both donate kidneys. she had hers taken out this week, her husband had hers taken out last year. it can save seven lives. she says the operation wasn t a big deal. pulled it out of my caesarian section scar. it s just exciting to see anybody else donating, but particularly your wife. the couple is paying it forward since their daughter was born with a rare condition and already has had six surgeries. good for them. well, halloween is three weeks from today, but for a school outside of philadelphia, it s as if it won t be happening at all. parents at englewood elementary were sent a letter home on tuesday saying a halloween parade and other big celebrations have been canceled. the principal says that it s because while halloween is seen as a secular celebration by some, others view it as having religious overtones. costume parties for halloween are still being allowed. party pooper. another controversial decision comes from kentucky. they re being told not to shake hands after games. too many violent games have erupted during the usual post game ritual. they call it disa pointing but a necessary step. players are not banned from voluntarily shaking hands on their own. man. wow. there wasn t any handshaking on the field after last night s baseball playoff game. the cardinals got a two-run home run there from david freese in their deciding game five. adam wainwright went the whole way. the cardinals take down pittsburgh, 6-1 and move into the national league championship series against the dodgers. the series starts tomorrow night in st. louis. that s all she wrote for my pirates. there they go. let s take a look at the weather. plan on wind and rain, heavy at times from new england south to the mid-atlantic coast. rain and snow from arizona to the dakotas. sunny, warm and dry from the midwest. mostly mid to high 70s in the south. approaching 90 degrees. cool in the 50s and 60s throughout the west. they had great weather along the missouri/kansas border. simply perfect conditions to blow up a bridge. there she goes. the old amelia earhart memorial bridge which used to span the missouri river between ashton, kansas, and winthrop, missouri. now it s in the missouri river. tomorrow another big blast expected to remove a bridge pier and another for the end of the month. i thought the whole thing was going to go down. i m disappointed. i was sort of thinking that was the one going down. behind it, that s the new one. i see. okay. we re just looking at it. we understand now. we want the good bridge to stay up. that would have been bad if they blew up the wrong bridge. oops, you wanted that one? can you imagine? crazy enough to happen, i suppose. yes. i bet you if you do some research it has happened. somebody has blown up the wrong thing. coming up, oprah winfrey is downsizing, you have a chance to buy her least favorite things. downsizing your pet. the american obesity effort weighs hard on dogs and cats as well. you re watching world news now. giving the dog a bone announcer: world news now weather brought to you by colonial penn life insurance. but then it goes that to the closet.to die. so try new glow unstopables. they fill your closet with scents so fresh they last for 12 weeks! downy unstopables. try with downy infusions. and still on the move is diana nyad. rapidly approaching the end of her latest marathon. she s in the final stretch an endurance swim in mid town manhattan which she kicked off on gma tuesday morning. she s been getting a lot of help from fans and fellow swimmers. reporter: just a month after setting a world record by swimming 110 miles from cuba to florida without a shark cage, the 64-year-old endurance swimmer set her sights on a much smaller arena for a much bigger cause. diving into a 40 yard pool set up in herald square right under the iconic macy s clock. the native new yorker made a splash of a homecoming with a nonstop 48 hour swim. for this marathon, other swimmers were invited to join her. swimming beside her i felt was amazing. having the opportunity to be next to someone like her is just exhilarating. it feels really incredible. reporter: nyad s goal to raise awareness and funds for victims of superstorm sandy. one year after the devastating storm, hundreds of families in the new york area are still living in hotel rooms. it s something nyad just couldn t ignore, so what better way to make a difference than in the city that never sleeps, an idea shared which swimmers. i specifically came in the night because i figured there would be less of a crowd and someone should be out here to support her. i ve done a lot of distance swimming myself but not to this level. just stepping it up and just a positive inspiration. the way she never gives up. so far nyad has already raised more than $72,000. she is just incredible. yeah. she will finish up this morning on good morning america. it should be pretty dramatic seeing her get out of this. we shot this last night in the dead of night. basically all these people came out then to give her support. that tells you a lot about her support, that tells you a lot about new york. this is a live picture you re seeing here by the way. she has not stopped. two days. two days. two whole days. by the way, she s in a pool that holds 42,000 gallons of water but i think this is the actual news. toasty 82 degrees. it would be hot. it would get too cold if you re spending two days in the pool. if you keep moving. if you keep moving she has this down. she knew exactly what she needed. she needed it to be exactly 82. yeah, 82 degrees. coming up, eyebrow raising comments from kanye west to jimmy kimmel. the two singing sensations putting so much raw skin into our skinny. that s next. announcer: world news the skinny welcome in to the skinny, everyone. if you happened to catch jimmy kimmel last night, then you know what was his interview. kanye west. now as you may or may not remember, or may not even know, kanye west was apparently the focus of one of jimmy kimmel s pair owe did i skits a couple of weeks ago where essentially he took a couple of child actors and made them repeat the exact same lines that kanye had said during an interview on a radio station. kanye lost his mind. went ballistic. and he sent out this twitter rant where he called jimmy kimmel all kinds of names. he said all kinds of nasty things to him hoping to squash the beast. jimmy kimmel brought kanye west on to his show last night. when asked why he got so upset, this was kanye s reaction. this is the one person i know, so i can go and let out everything that i feel about every single bogus weekly cover, every single bogus skit, every single rumor in the barber shop, everything people think is okay to treat celebrities like zoo animals, to say that their life is not serious, their dreams are not serious. you know, it kind of just went and kind of elevated from a call that we just had as men where, you know, that elevates sometimes. you take a guy, you know so, yeah. that was essentially the entire two segment interview. it was kanye ranting about complete and you thor nonsense. none of it made sense. wasn t charming. it wasn t endearing. he is not charging. he is not endearing. he made it clear he has no intention of ever being humble. uncomfortable. long, uncomfortable. kimmel kept apologizing which made it worse. i don t know what he was apologizing about. it was a skit with kids. come on, kanye. lighten it up. let s talk about oprah winfrey. she is having a guy dan particular auction. she has four homes and she s auctioning off a ton of things. it s a sale that will take place at the santa barbara polo club on october. the iron panels that adorn the main entrance of her $85 million estate in santa barbara. carrying a presale of 4 to $7,000. much photographed green and white plaid couch. stuffed cushions. that s expected to fetch between 3 and $4,000. all kinds of things. antiques from europe. if you re wondering why she is doing this, it is speculated that she s inspired to get rid of these belongings for a 60th birthday bash. proceeds are going to benefit her oprah winfrey leadership foundation fund. very cool, all of it. we want to show you a picture. this is usher. he is apparently playing a role of sugar ray leonard in the upcoming play hands of steel. check out those abs. this is the cover of men s health 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[ coughs ] [ male announcer ] .you can t let a cold keep you up tonight. vicks nyquil powerful nighttime 6-symptom cold & flu relief. that s the problem, we ve been giving our dogs too many bones. pet obesity is now on the rise. huge health risk for the animals. sometimes a few minutes on the daily walk doesn t help. people are investing in pet programs to get fido into shape. reporter: four little legs treading through watersheding pounds. lowell la here leading the charge at the morris animal inn. a kind of weight loss spa for pets. here right behind us we have a fitness pool for dogs. yes, exactly. reporter: here pups run on treadmills, jump hurdles, even perform aerobic swims because just like us, our furry friends are battling the bulge, and online fat cats trying anything to slim down. 52% of dogs and 58% of cats are now obese. come on. reporter: lowell la is supposed to be ten pounds but she weighed nearly three times that. her owner says it s hard to say no to those puppy dog eyes. it s a good day, have a treat. you re feeling blue, let s have a treat. reporter: now lowell la is sweating it out. it s like going to a gym. we work them out. reporter: no fatty snacks here. reporter: parfait, string beans, bacon bits for a little flavor. here you go. reporter: how can you tell if your fido is fit and not fat? the key is being able to feel their ribs but not see them. lowell la s well on her way. she s already lost seven pounds. justen more to go. good job, honey. her tail is wagging, her little feet are moving. makes me very, very happy. reporter: gio benetez, morristown, new jersey. that is one cute dog. i need to see before and after pictures. absolutely. positive positively. little five-day plan. they mail the fo good morning. i m diana perez. i m john mu. good morning, i m diana perez. i m john muller. here are the top headlines you re following on world news now. president obama meets with members at capitol hill. there are new signs the gop is open to a deal. to get the latest, it s coming up. investigators in las vegas are testing dozens of people after a young mother and her twins died of the disease. they didn t even realize the woman was suffering from tuberculosis until after she died. it was train versus truck in texas and the truck lost after getting stuck on the tracks. the driver had gotten out. no one was injured, but the truck was pushed a half a mile down those tracks. kentucky high school administrators say they have taken a disappointing step. they ve ordered teams not to shake hands after the games. violence has been happening. those are our top stories on thursday, october 10th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now with john muller and diana perez. thursday morning, everybody. inching closer to friday. ah, yes. it feels so good to be this close. feels so good to be the people we re going to talk about in a while. true. right now, as a matter of fact. we re going to begin this hour with a harrowing ordeal with roller coaster riders. this happened at universal studios in florida. they spent over 2 hours trapped on the ride unable to move. rene stoll reports from orlando. reporter: this is video from a park goer when the hollywood rip ride rocket got stuck with 12 people in the vertical position. there was a glitch that caused the computer to go into safety mode stopping the ride, leaving the passengers, three of them young children, stuck. not knowing, not understandings why you re in that position. you re going to be a little bit upset, but once we got up there and the guys were able to talk to them, calm everybody down reporter: getting the riders down took more than two hours because they say universal studios had to get the cars in a locked position which takes some time. then our guys can go ahead and put the victims in the harnesses and then we were able to walk them off the ride. reporter: this is a rescue they train for four times a year but weather caused another kind of problem for the stuck riders. when you re up that high, it s a little bit colder. universal was able to provide them with towels so they could cover up. reporter: one woman was transported to the hospital from that ride. park officials say she had neck pain. the ride will remain closed until further notice. rene soul, abc news, orlando. this ride is 17 stories high. reaches speeds of 65 miles an hour. young kids up there. that must have been quite frightening. frightening for anybody but if you re a young kid. i wonder if the kids are up there. can you imagine being on the ground and your kids are up there. i can t imagine it. a lot of shouting. it s going to be okay. we re coming to get you. it depends on how this thing stalled. did it stall and people were fatesing down, up, laying, on their side. that s a huge difference. the ride was closed on august 1st for two days because a woman complained it became too much of a shortstop. she hurt herself zwr no. body of a woman found this week in the stairwell of a san francisco hospital has been identified. she is lynn spaulding. she had checked into the san francisco hospital, san francisco general, on september 19th. she had an infection. despite bed checks every 15 minutes, spaulding vanished two days later, only to be found dead during a random search of a very rarely used stairwell. her horrified family and friends want answers and an investigation is underway. the agriculture department is threatening to shut down foster farms plants linked to a salmonella outbreak unless that company comes up with answers today. some raw chicken in california in the central valley may be to blame for sickening people in 18 states. they re cooperating with the fda saying they ve put new food protocol into place. for the latest on the government shutdown. top republicans meet with the president at the white house. they are signaling that they may be willing to consider funding the government without defunding obama care. new polls are showing that the gop has taken a major hit over this impasse. as abc s karen travers reports, outrage is now hitting the u.s. military. it was a somber ceremony at dover s military base. chuck hagel was there meeting the flag draped casket of cody patterson killed in afghanistan. since the shutdown started, 26 soldiers have died, 6 in afghanistan. paperwork is piling up and the families of those service members are being asked to sacrifice even more. they haven t received the so-called death benefit, a $100,000 payment usually issued within three days of notification of death. it s unthinkable that these benefits would not be available. reporter: thanks to a military charity they will be. the pentagon announced that the fisher house foundation will provide these families with benefits and when the shutdown ends the pentagon will reimburse the charity. when it comes to the shutdown and debt ceiling, there are no signs of progress. the president met with members yesterday. he had a warning yesterday. he said if the shutdown continues, veteran benefits checks will not go out in november. the aid included military hardware and $260 million in cash. morsi is set to go on trial next month on charges that he incited the killing of opponents last august. courtesy of the u.s. coast guard. this happened over the pacific. a crew flew more than 1,000 miles to drop off blood. the doctors needed those supplies so the coast guard dropped them off and looks pretty cool doing it, too. now to a scary situation in northern virginia just outside of washington, d.c. a man fell through a sidewalk grate that was covering a vent for an underground garage. the man fell 15 feet down a shaft. he was conscious and brought to the hospital in stable condition after rescue crews pulled him to the surface on a stretcher. investigators are trying to figure out what caused that grate to collapse. it was a nightmare commute in la after the 5 freeway was forced to close because of a huge mud slight. several cars became trapped in a wall of debris and traffic was backed up for miles. the slide was not related to recent rains but possibly a water main break. rain, mountain snow and thunderstorms stretching from the mountains to arizona. wet conditions from new england south to the coast. a beautiful day in the midwest. mostly mid to high 70s. approaching 90 degrees in some spots but cooler, 50s and 60s through most of the west. a rare treat for sky gazers this week. mother nature s own light show. it s a phenomenon known as aurora borealis or the northern lights. this is in portland, maine. spectacular northern lights. they re called the northern lights but they should be called the dancing lights. i ve never seen these in person. i m sure for people who live in these climates, okay. i ve been there, done that. i would like to see it once. very cool stuffer. coming up, whipping a crowd into a frenzy by playing dance music. celebrity d.j.s. we ll take a rare look into a wild 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the matriarch is still in action and she s still an icon. she s acting and regularly pops up in gest star rolls. wonderful person. maureen mcormack struggled with drugs for a time and has made the rounds. christopher night made the rounds in recent years. mike is a recovering alcoholic. he s a big fan of the grateful dead. he s married and has two kids. andy davis is 87 years old now and is happily active in the episcopal church. she looks amazing. they kind of all do. i wanted an alice in my house to make me pork chops and applesauce. everybody has a little brady bunch in their life. a big dose of camaraderie kind of like a little family or like the family we have here at world news now. great graphic. study that. check it out. this is the world news now brady bunch. check it out. we have rob. a couple of former ones. we have the mr. polka. barry mitchell. bonita. you and i are there. rob nelson. jeremy hubbard is there. and barbara. aunt barbara. tupperware lady. yes. she was in recently doing a segment. she s a hoot. the wnn bunch. that s us. what a bunch we are. mom and dad. who s going to be the maid? we need somebody in the middle. there you go. come on. put your head in there. there he is. he s got it. we re not done yet. our brady bunch throw back thursday begins. it continues. everybody s smilin one thing that made the show so successful is the actors that played the brady kids. they were fun to watch and had groovy clothes. really groovy clothes. a special guest is joining us from branson, missouri. barry williams. he played greg. thank you for joining us. super goof i have. you were the grooviest one. you had the room in the attic. the grooviest clothes. talk about episodes. everyone has a favorite one. do you have a favorite one because you thought your acting was particularly good or the most fun, do y johnny bravo. that s the one because that mirrored my life and my dreams the closest. that s kind of what i ve been doing and where i am now. so now, barry, we can t talk about the brady bunch without talking about all the behind the scenes drama, brady bombshells from your date with your tv mom to florence henderson. is there anything we haven t heard, a little bit of dirt you might want to share with us. cindy just had my baby. that s good. that s a big one. i made it up because it s late at night and i thought that would be fun to say because that would be a bombshell, wouldn t it? that would be a bombshell. you have to be careful. i m glad you classified the way you did it. this is going to run wild. it could almost trump me a pharaoh? we reported that. barry, talk about the enduring quality of the show. what is it about the show that really just to this day really strikes a chord with people? what do you think it is? i tell you what i really believe that it is, the chemistry that we had. chemistry is something among actors and an ensemble piece, you can t fake, you can t make it up, you can t pretend. it s real or it s not real. we really had that. that s evidenced by the fact that we remain friends, all of us, to this day. we re in touch. we know what s going on. everyone knows that i m living now in the ozark mountains in branson doing my show. i know all the kids. we re in touch and it s been like a second family for all these years. and i think that came across on our show and that s what people can relate to and gravitate towards. truly something special, barry. you know, is there any show that has aired since the brady bunch that you ve seen that you said, you know what, that has that certain type of quality that i know that the brady bunch had that will have that enduring legacy? anything that s on television now that people can say, okay, i ll give that a try if it s going to be like the brady bunch? nothing is coming to mind that s on right now. i think the huxtables had that kind of quality and that kind of chemistry that we did. fortunately, i think a lot of the shows now are program more mean spiritedness, maybe more cynicism and sarcasm and going for the joke and we were trying to tell stories. so true, by the way. tell us what you re up to these days. you ve been playing guitar. there s a guitar underneath you. you re in branson. you have this very exciting project. tell us about it. i moved to the ozarks to kind of live out my johnny bravo dream, which is 70s music celebration. it s a musical variety show that encompasses all the music and all the sort of styles from the decade and i host it, i wrote it, i have a big cast, live band, multi-media. i m playing guitar in the show, i sing in the show. i try and contrast the 70s with today and what s going on and i m very happy here. it s a fine, really nice quality of life and a wonderful community. i m having a good time here and i hope to be here for the next 20 years. wow. barry williams, thank you so much for joining us this morning. that actually sounds like something that i want to go out to branson, missouri, and see. i m excited about that for you. sounds wonderful. we thank you for joining us and all the great laughs you ve given us. thanks so much. bring your variety boots and fishing pole, you ll have a great time. thank you. that brings us to our facebook question of the day. which episode of the brady bunch is your favorite. log on to wnnfans.com and share your memories. it s a sunshine day all right. in the immortal words of madonna, music makes the people come together. that song was about a d.j. so is this next story. these days the d.j.s are the head of the party. there is a dark side. reporter: in the past few years electronic dance music, edm for short, has exploded into a full blown movement. the kids want to be a d.j. it s like, wow. you know, you on the stage. you re the star. it s like a crazy rock and roll life. it s good money. it s the fame. reporter: and today this is the mecca. our groupies, abc groupies. reporter: in our tomorrow world, one of the largest musical festivals on the planet. tiesta was here to perform on the outrageous main stage. as one of the world s highest d.j.s, he pulled in $32 million in the last 12 months. what do you think it is about this kind of music that attracts so many people? i think it s the pure energy that comes out of it that seems to be so powerful and the beat never stops. it gets people going, you know? reporter: but there is a dark side to this musical revolution, a drug culture that lends itself to music about being care free and losing yourself. edm is fueling it in the sense that the experience of being on ectasy i think becomes part of the normalized behavioral culture of that experience. so ectasy makes you sort of very lovie, very paempathetic and th creates the dominance culture. at tomorrow world, medics were on hand. according to them, of 140,000 attendees, only 20 went to the hospital. for the d.j. it all comes back to the addiction of being on stage. it s about connection. a positive moment in your life. everything is good for just an hour, two hours. reporter: for nightline i m gio benetez for abc news. have you ever been to one? no. i ve been to plenty of rock and roll bands. i don t think it s my speed. i don t think so. a lot of that. and the glow sticks. i was never good with the glow sticks. i never know what to do with them. i tried, but i was never good with them. this morning on world news now , hospital outrage. the san francisco woman missing for weeks found dead in a medical center stairwell. i hear that the san francisco sheriff s department initiated a search. well, evidently it wasn t a very good one. the response from police and hospital administrators as the woman s family demands answers. unstoppable. a freight train s collision with a flatbed truck stuck on the track. the big mess and what happened to the driver. and bullied at work. the disturbing trend on the job as employees face abuse every day. they consider this behavior survival of the fittest. why this behavior is getting so out of hand and what you can do about it this thursday, october 10th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now with john muller and diana perez. thursday. friday eave as we like to say. i almost said thursday/sunday but that s nowhere near the truth. throw back thursday. is that what you were searching for? no, i wanted to find a redeemable quality of thursday. one step closer to the magic day. yes, it is. let s get started. perhaps san francisco general s chief medical officer said it best. quote, what happened to our hospital is horrible. yeah. he was talking about a patient, lynn spaulding, who has been identified as the woman found dead earlier this week in an emergency stairwell. the obvious question, of course, how could such a thing happen? abc s brandy hitt following the investigation. good morning, brandy. reporter: good morning, john and diana. it s pretty shocking. an investigation is underway as to how a patient missing for two weeks could have died in a hospital stairwell and her family is demanding answers. 17 days, that s how long a patient at san francisco general hospital had been missing before her body was found in the hospital stairwell. we have enough information at this time to conclude it is ms. spaulding. she checked into the hospital on september 19th for an infection. on the 21st she disappeared sparking a massive search effort. hundreds of man hours were spent searching for a woman who didn t leave this hospital. now her family is demanding answers to this nightmare. how could someone be left in an isolated stairwell for so long? the farewell is a fair exit that is not routinely used by staff. i hear that the san francisco sheriff s department initiated a search. evidently it wasn t a good one. san francisco general has an excellent reputation. we re not trying to besmir much it. we re trying to get answers which haven t come forward. what is unclear is how spaulding died. this has shaken us to our core. our staff is devastated. i m committed to get to the root core and ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. reporter: the family wants the hospital to release when the search was conducted, if there are working cameras at both exits. randy, thank you. it is incomprehensible. she came in on september 10th with a severe urinary tract infection. she was taking some medication for it. it made her disoriented. her boyfriend drove her in. she lived close by and her family said she was getting better. brandy said they re trying to figure out if every single entrance and exit has a camera. there was no evidence in any of the surveillance cameras that the hospital does have that indicate that she might have left so, therefore, the first thing that should have happened was let s check every single inch of this hospital to see if she was disoriented, let s make sure she didn t find herself in an emergency stairwell. yeah. so sad. moving on. theres a health care? las vegas after a young mother and her newborn twins died of tuberculosis. now health officials are trying to test everyone who might have come in contact with these victims. so far 21 people have tested positive for tb. only two of those people have been in the contagious stage of tb. this worried mom was on the same floor as the woman who died. a lot of people come in contact with each other. i don t know if my baby was exposed. official alzheimer s did not realize the young mother died of tb until an autopsy confirmed it. now to texas. it was an unstoppable force versus an immovable object. this is what it looked like and sounded like. that truck carrying those big pipes that you saw go flying got stuck on the tracks just a few minutes before the train crashed into it. the driver was able to escape. in fact, no one was injured, but the truck got pushed about half a mile down the track. wow, that video is intense. wow. a dozen people are safe and back on the ground after a scare at universal studios in florida. they got 12uk 50 feet up in the air when a roller coaster at the park suddenly stopped. they said a computer glitch unexpectedly clicked into safety mode bringing the coaster to a halt. it took over 2 hours to bring everyone down and there were no serious injuries. people in a lot of different positions. i don t think a lot of people will be going on the roller coaster anymore. imagine you re in a small plane and the pilot passes out. that s what happened to john wildy on a short flight over northeast england. the problem is, he s never flown a plane before. he had only one choice. i called may day, may day, may day like you re supposed to do. i ve got no flight experience. my pilot is not very well. i haven t a clue how to get down. air traffic controllers called in flight instructors to talk him down. wylie made three passes before a bumpy and successful touch down. they re culling him a hero saying he more or less did a controlled crash. the pilot, who was a friend of his, later died. the father of that minnesota boy who managed to board a plane to vegas held an unusual news conference. he sobbed as he pleaded for help. here s abc s rena sfs nynan. reporter: with his face covered, he says his calls for help went unanswered. i was asking nor help. no one stepped up to help. reporter: suspended from school in september after a fight, his dad said he stole a truck last week crashing it into this police car because he wanted to play grand theft auto in real life. he said he had no idea his son had been to the airport at least twice all by himself. he took the train out and just left. reporter: the father assumed his son was staying at a friend s house. how would you let a 9-year-old child go through security check without stopping them and questioning them? how can that be? reporter: slipping through three layers of security tsa workers, gate agents, and the flight crew. tsa insists he did receive a security screening. the boy chatted up an agent, waited for the agent to turn away, then seconds later quickly boirtd boir bored the plane. they realized there was no child traveling alone on the manifest. the young boy is expected to return to minnesota on friday. the family is confident he ll return home. minnesota child protective services will be involved. the father has not spoken to him. now a glimmer of hope as the government shutdown enters its tenth day. president obama meets with top leaders at the white house. republicans in the house are expected to be raising the debt ceiling temporarily. they will not say what if any conditions are attached. the president has said he will not sign an increase in the debt limit if there are conditions. with the national park service ham strung by furloughs, a south carolina man took it to himself to do some cleaning. he was doing the landscaping work that was supposed to be done by park service employees. he says it s just a moral obligation. the building behind me served as a moral compass not only for the country but for the world and over my dead body are we going to let this deteriorate. unfortunately though he was not able to finish his chores. he was told to leave by the park police. another consequence of the shutdown is delay in the approval of new beer brewery recipes and labels. they are usually approved by what s called the tax and trade bureau which is part of the treasury department. it s closed these days thanks to the shutdown. that has all but stopped the craft brewing industry dead in its tracks. hopefully congress will get its act together and we ll get something done in the next, you know, few months. small brewers say the delays in approving their applications is costing them thousands of dollars. vineyards want that to change. their wine bottles could also be affected. halloween is three weeks away. that means it s pumpkin season. last year the pumpkin harvest wasn t a great one because of the drought and unseasonably hot weather. not the case this year, which means plenty of people are heading to the pumpkin patch. growers are offering lower prices. one farmer says it gives him a warm and fuzzy feeling watching the children pick out pumpkins. this is a good one. nice job anyway. let s take this one. right. there you go. you ve done this a couple of times. oh, i ve done it a couple of times. coming up, so many questions about a tv weather man who picks something up off the floor and ate it while on the air. it is a horrendously gross story. it s kind of hilarious. hilarious and gross. the halloween display so elaborate and popular that it s leading to a big legal scare. you re watching world news now suddenly to my surprise he did the mash he did the monster mash announcer: world news now weather brought to you by just for men auto stop. world news now weather, bought brought to you by just for men auto stop. 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unadulterated misery and hell. reporter: according to a survey by the centers for disease control, adult bullying affects 12 million americans in the workplace, nearly 1/3 more women than men. jane pratt remembers how debilitating it was when she was bullied by a former boss. i remember being in a conference room with a bunch of other people around and he was yelling at me so fiercely and this close to my face, i started to feel like maybe i was going to faint because it was just too much. reporter: author jill brook has studied adult bullying and said it s almost become accepted office behavior. it is becoming an epidemic in the workplace because people are losing job and status so as a result they re considering this survival of the fittest. reporter: causing emotional issues like depression and mood swings to physical ones like headaches and mood swing. reporter: you gained weight? i gained a tremendous amount of weight. reporter: how much? 40 or 50 pounds. reporter: here s what brooks says you should do. speak up. bullies respond to resistance. document the bullyings to have prove and finally, build consensus with others. there is strength in numbers. jane pratt who s now a boss herself says learn from her experience. you set the tone. you have to set the tone. reporter: nice works? nice works, it really does. reporter: amy robuck, abc news, new york. no excuse for it, right? there really isn t. have you ever had an official bully in your tv career? no. thankfully i haven t. there s an interesting stat that i think is a bunch of bull. some say the recent economic downturn has put undue stress on bosses which is causing them to take it out on their employees. that s absolutely no excuse. there is no excuse. people are human so maybe that plays a part in it. so to believe that only the bosses are allowed to have some kind of stress induced you know reaction? i think people are less productive when they re shutting down inside. this can be very dangerous. there was a girl at yale university who was killed because it was all workplace violence. it all had to do with the fact that her co worker went off the rales and killed mer one day. this can be very dangerous. it is important to speak up. no doubt about it. coming up, there is one in every neighborhood this time of year. the haunted house that terry fies the kids and fascinates the adults. but one in maryland, it s some angry neighbors that are causing the scare though. also ahead in our next half hour, slimming countries down fi fido. the new workout for pudgy pets. you re watching world news now. they did the mash they did the monster mash talk about witches, monsters, goblins. in one neighborhood the local halloween display is becoming a nightmare. more from washington, d.c. reporter: the sights and sounds are impressive. eight attractions on 1/4 acre of land owned by donna care. we re probably going to have zombies in here. reporter: this year s decorations were sprouting up. this is mr. pumpkin head. reporter: when a 37-page restraining order, a cease and desist, arrived in the mail friday. it s made me sick to my stomach when you have people hating on you and you re trying to do a thing for the community. it s like it hurts me. reporter: at least 11 neighbors say her trek of terror creates a traffic hazard with limited parking and few sidewalks while county leaders add her house isn t zoned for commercial use even though the event is free. nobody wants to be seen as not accommodating, but i think from the beginning a number of people, i would put myself as one of them, saw this as an accident waiting to happen. supporter, supporter. reporter: not true says care citing a perfect record of safety. at an event open five nights a year, one created for families with children. it s where kids can go and have fun and look and see scary stuff. i want to fight back. i don t think what the county has done has been fair. they ve taken away my rights. they ve taken away my due process. reporter: next tuesday both parties will state the argument in front of a maryland district court judge. until then donna care and her team of support staff will continue prepping this yard confident this gate won t be closed for good. in silver spring, i m kevin lewis, abc news. for five nights they re doing all of this? if i lived next door i certainly wouldn t want people on my lawn urinating. five nights easy for me to say, i m not the person next door. people know about it so traffic is probably not going to go through there and just it s perfectly safe, she says. as we sit here. without any decorations. and people on our front lawn. true. true. on our front lawn. are you ready for this one? we ve got a vomit warning here. if vomit freaks you out, i know some people get freaked by it, put it on mute for a second. a weather man in hartford, connecticut, scott henney is his name. he thinks he dropped a grape nut. from the floor. he thinks he s being funny. he does the three second rule. he puts it in his mouth. they were all going, three second rule, you just ate it off the floor. he goes on and says, this tastes really nasty like an old shoe or something. you can tell something s not quite right. they move on. they don t know what he ate at this point. then he goes to a weather map and he solved the mystery. listen in to what he ate. those were not grape nuts that i ate. i kept finding more and more of it on the floor. i thought it was grape nuts because it looked like it. my cat threw up and i must have stepped in it and that s what i ate. so disgusting. i thought it was grape nuts. i ate cat vomit. oh, man. on television. i don t know what s worse, eating cat vomit or admitting to it on tv. he could have laid low and never brought up the grape nut again. i have so many questions, why is he eating grape nuts. if there are grape nuts following you everywhere you go and you don t have them in your hand, they re not your grape nuts. so many questions. we need to do an investigative piece on this one. oh, my goodness. that is so gross. my goodness. moving on. i m getting over that. let s move on to something heartwarming and wonderful to help me stop thinking about that cat vomit that that weather man just ate. this is amazing. this is one of those great reunions. we show you reunions between service members and their pets all the time. homecoming love. this is some great, great stuff. this is odie at the window and he sees his papa is on the other side of the window who had been deployed since christmas eve of 2011 and he simply loses his mind. he doesn t know what too do. goes to the window, goes to the door. goes to the window, goes to the door. his owner, his dad, keeps it going for a minute. love it. love it. comes through the door and odie is loving his papa. mom is on the other side encouraging the whole thing. it is the cutest thing. that s why people love their peds. unconditional love. it s amazing how they remember. oh, yeah, they remember. that s daddy. going on two years and there he is. real quick, we have to get to mib the officially cutest cat in the whole world. p you the it up. snoopy s the name. lives in china. has 2,075 followers on chinese twitter, instagram, has a giend facebook page. if you re wondering what kind of a cat that is, almost looks fake, it s not. american short hair and persian mix. he s becoming this morning on world news now , widespread outrage. the anger spreading from capitol hill to around the nation. the pinch on military families and just about everyone else on day ten of the government shutdown. greatest couples. spouses so dedicated to saving lives. they both dedicated kidneys to strangers. it is considered a medical first for the life saving husband and wife. plus, diana nyad s all day and all night swim in new york city. we catch up with her fans from all over. face to face, kanye west and jimmy kimmel together. his surprising appearance on late night tv on the skinny on this thursday, october 10th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now with john muller and diana perez. i just had a great idea to get on kimmel, me. not so famous me. i ll start ranting and raving about kimmel and he invites me on to end the feud. then you go on there and you rant some more. that s the perfect platform. that s what happened? you saw it. excuse me. yawn. what an awful interview. yuck. let s do some real news. we begin with new developments in the government shutdown which is entering day number 10. top republicans meet with the president at the white house. key republican leaders are signaling that they may consider funding the government without defunding obama care. the gop is taking a major hit. the outrablg over the showdown grows day by day. here s abc s john reporter: poignant photographs. while at dover air force base the shutdown hits america s bravest, fallen heroes, 26 killed in action in afghanistan were on military bases since the shutdown. their families denied the $100,000 so-called death gratuity. the four heroes brought home all killed over the weekend in ab i.e.d. attack. sergeant patrick c. hawkins of carlisle, pennsylvania. joseph peters of springfield, missouri. pf th c cody patterson and jennifer moreno of san diego. her family forced to raise money for the funeral. she sacrificed for the country and her family. why wouldn t that be taken care of. reporter: the outrage heard and the pentagon announced a contract with a civilian agency to pay for it. a more widespread problem remains. they warned congress more than 5 million military veterans and their families won t get november benefit checks if the shutdown continues. the soldiers and their constituency have lost the war. reporter: only federal facilities are supposed to remain open. a fit congress is important, but essential? his advice was shut down the gyms until the madness ends. jim avila, abc news, washington. and we do have some braking news from libya where the prime minister has been kidnapped. armed rebels took him from a hotel in tripoli to a convoy of waiting cars. they had threatened to retaliate but it is not known whose behind the kidnapping. in an extremely rare move, president obama has relieved a top military commander from the duty. he s being investigated from using $1500 of fake gambling chips at an iowa casino. he was the deputy commander of u.s. nuclear forces. now he ll be demoted in rank and assigned to unspecified duties. jie former police officer was shot and killed after he opened fire on a federal building in west virginia. he was a 20-year-old veteran of the police department before he was retired 13 years ago. they re searching for a motive. incredible collision in texas caught on camera. take a look at this. wow. that truck carrying those big pipes, you saw it go flying. the driver escaped. in fact, no one was hurt but the truck got pushed about half a mile down the tracks. wow. i mean, i m amazed the train didn t derail. that is incredible. my goodness. it s in two different angles. i just realized that. it s amazing that nobody was killed in this. amazing they couldn t get word to, you know, some kind of dispatcher, hey, we ve got a problem down here. i wonder how long that guy was stuck. was it a matter of minutes? yeah, minutes. he got out of there. he s probably watching. here we go. one more time. one more time. all the big pipes go flying. whew! wow. we re also very lucky it was pipes on that thing and wasn t carrying something flammable. very good point. let s talk about hot air balloons. they will be heading back into the skies over albuquerque, new mexico this morning a day after two men were sent to the hospital. one has undergone surgery. we have more now from abc s satisfy celia vega. reporter: balloons are flying dangerously low over this neighborhood in albuquerque. it becomes entoong ld in power lines and then flames. there was a big old pop. flames shoot out the sides. you can hear all of this. the godola goes down. reporter: two men inside the balloon suffered serious burns. witnesses say they could hear the screams. some used water bottles to douse the passengers and put out the fire. it is the second crash in three days at the world s largest balloon festival. a woman over the weekend rushed away by paramedics after a crash landing. these scenes of peaceful beauty marred by hard falls and sobering statistics. since 2001, 19 people have died in hot air balloon crashes. former faa safety inspector dominic camello has investigated hundreds of hot air balloon accidents. reporter: what s the biggest risk in flying a balloon? power lines by far. reporter: it was a power line strike that caused nfl veteran donta stallworth s balloon to come crashing down earlier this year leaving him with serious burns. from an accident safety stand point, balloons are ten times safety safer than air travel. now to a health alert to expectant mothers experiencing depression during pregnancy. doctors studied 4500 mothers and their teenage children and they discovered mothers depressed while pregnant were more likely to pass along that condition to their children. the american medical association suggests screening mothers to be for depression and to treat it as early as possible. san diego couple has become the first in the nation to both donate kidneys. alexis wesley had her kidney removed this week. her husband had his taken out last year. her kidney will save seven lives. matching donors can have a domino effect. the operation wasn t a big deal. pulled it out of my cesarean section scar. it s exciting to see anybody else donating, particularly your wife. the couple is paying it forward since their daughter was born with a rare condition and already has had six surgeries. good for them. halloween is three weeks from today, but for a school outside of philadelphia, it s as if it won t be happening at all. parents at englewood elementary were sent a letter home on fuse saying a halloween parade and other big celebrations have been canceled. the principal says its because while halloween is seen as secular, others view it as having religious overtones. costumes are still being allowed. party pooper. another controversial decision comes from kentucky where high school teams are being told not to shake hands after games. administrators say too many violent incidents have erupted recently during the usual post-game ritual. they call it disappointing but a necessary step. players are not banned from voluntarily shaking hands on their own. man. there wasn t any handshaking on the field after last night s baseball playoff game. the cardinals got a two-run home run from david freese in their deciding game five. the stars were the cardinals pitchers, adam wainwright. the cardinals takes down the pirates. the series starts tomorrow night in st. louis. that s all she wrote of my pay rates. there they go. good team. let s take a look at the weather. now plan on wind and rain, heavy at times from new england south to the mid-atlantic coast. a western storm is moving east with rain from the dakotas. sunny, warm and dry. mostly mid to high 70s across the south. approaching 90 degrees in some spots. cooler 50s and 60s. missouri teen, simply perfect conditions. there she the old amelia earhart memorial bridge which used to span the missouri river between ashton, kansas and winthrop, missouri. now it s basically in the missouri river. tomorrow another big blast expected to remove a bridge pier and another scheduled for the end of the month. i kind of thought the whole thing was going to crash. it s a big one. i thought that was the one going down. it s behind it. that s the new one. i see. it s going down. okay. we re just looking at it from the wrong angle. oops? you mean that one? blowing up the wrong thing. coming up, oprah winfrey is giving you a chance to buy some of her least favorite things. the american weighs heavily on dogs and cats as well. the diet exercise plan for your friends. you re watching world news now giving a dog a bone giving a dog a bone announcer: world news now weather brought to you by colonial penn life insurance. weather brought to you by colonial penn life insurance. but then it goes that to the closet.to die. so try new glow unstopables. they fill your closet with scents so fresh they last for 12 weeks! downy unstopables. try with downy infusions. and still on the move is diana nyad. rapidly approaching the end of her latest marathon. she is in the final stretch an endurance swim in mid town manhattan which she kicked off on gma tuesday morning and she s been getting a lot of help from fans and fellow swimmers. reporter: just a month after setting a world record by swimming 110 miles from cuba to florida without a shark cage, the 64-year-old endurance swimmer set her sights on a much smaller arena for a bigger cause. diving into a 40 yard pool set up in herald square under the iconic macy s clock. the native new yorker made a splash of a homecoming with a 48 hour nonstop swim. other swimmers were invited to join her. i felt it was just amazing. having the opportunity to be next to someone like her is just exhill ler ratding. it s really incredible. reporter: nyad s goal to raise awareness and funds for victims of superstorm sandy. one year after the devastating storm, hundreds of families in the new york area are still living in hotel rooms. it s something nyad couldn t ignore. it s an idea shared by swimmers joining her far and wide like this woman from boston. i got here at 10:00. i specifically came in the night. i thought there would be less crowds. i ve done a lot on distance swimming myself but not to this level. so just stepping up and just a positive inspiration the way she never gives up. so far nyad has raised $72,000. she will finish up this morning on good morning america. should be dramatic seeing her get out of that. we shot this last night in the dead of night. basically all these people came out then to give her support. that tells you a lot about her sport. tells you a lot about new york. this is a live scene you re seeing right here. pretty cool. she has not stopped. two days. two whole days. she s in a pool that holds 42,000 gallons of water. 82 degrees. i almost think that would be hot, right? it gets too cold. if it was any colder, she s spending two days. keep moving. has it down. it s 82 degrees. coming up, eyebrow raising comments from kanye west to jimmy. putting more skin into our skinny. that s next. skinny so skinny welcome into the skinny, everyone. if you happened to catch jimmy kimmel last night, then you know what was his interview. as you may know or not remember, kanye west was the focus of one of kimmel s parity skits. he made them repeat the exact same lines that can be yeah made on a radio station. kanye lost his mind and he sent out this twitter rant where he called jimmy kimmel all kinds of names. he said all kinds of nasty things to him hoping to squash the beast, jimmy kimmel brought kanye west on to his show last night and when asked why he got so upset, this was kanye s reaction. well, this is the one person i know so i can go and let out everything that i feel about every single bogus weekly cover, every single bogus skit, every single rumor in barber shop, everything people feel is okay to treat celebrities like zoo animals, act like what they re saying is not serious, their life is not serious, and their dreams are not serious. it kind of went and elevated from a call that we had as men where, you know, that elevates sometimes. so, yeah. that was essentially the entire two-segment interview. it was kanye ranting about complete and you thor nonsense. none of it made sense. wasn t charming. wasn t endearing. he is not charming, he is not endearing and he made it clear he has no intention of ever being humble in some way. was it uncomfortable? yes. it was long, uncomfortable. it made it even worse. i don t know what he was apologizing about. it was a skit with kids. come on, kanye, lighten up. let s talk about oprah win fr fri. she is having a gigantic auction. she is auctioning off hundreds of things from four lavishly decorated homes. it will take place on november 2nd. write it on your calendar. oh, yeah. the iron panels that adorn the main entrance of her $85 million estate in santa barbara. carrying a presale estimate of 4 to $7,000. much photographed green and white plaid couch, apparently people very familiar with this. stuffed cushions. that s expected to fetch between 3 and $4,000. all kinds of things. antiques from europe. if you re wondering why she is doing this, it s speculated she s inspired to get rid of these belongings for a 60th birthday bash. proceeds will benefit her college fund. really quickly, we want to show you a picture. this is usher. he is apparently playing a role of sugar ray leonard. he s taking it very seriously. check out those abs. this is the cover of men s health magazine. he looks amazing. i cannot wait to see this movie. i don t remember the last time he was in a serious role. this is going to be exciting. check my blood sugar, eat better. start insulin. today i learned there s something i don t have to do anymore. my doctor said with levemir® flexpen. i don t have to use a syringe and a vial. levemir® flexpen comes prefilled with long-acting insulin taken once daily for type 2 diabetes to help control high blood sugar. dial the exact dose. inject by pushing a button. no drawing from a vial. no refrigeration for up to 42 days. levemir® (insulin detemir [rdna origin] injection) is not recommended to treat diabetic ketoacidosis. do not use levemir® if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause symptoms such as sweating, shakiness, confusion, and headache. severe low blood sugar can be serious and life threatening. ask your health care provider about alcohol use, operating machinery, or driving. other possible side effects include injection site reactions. tell your health care provider about all medicines you take and all of your medical conditions. get medical help right away if you experience serious allergic reactions such as body rash, trouble with breathing, fast heartbeat, or sweating. flexpen® is insulin delivery my way. covered by most insurance plans, including medicare. ask your health care provider about levemir® flexpen today. prove it. enough is enough. d-con baits are specially formulated to kill in one feeding. guaranteed. d-con. get out. doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. no matter what city you re playing tomorrow. 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people were dead, and ray james went to prison for nearly two years, now he is a free man, more on the questions about what happened that day in the desert. and tonight for the first time since getting out of jail, james ray is here live to answer those questions. i want to begin with the story of how it went so very wrong for the king of self help. your greatest calling is to find your help. at the peak of his popularity, author james ray was a top motivator, giving speeches, writing books that reached the new york times best seller lists, even catching the attention of oprah. giving up the hope that the past could have been different. you released that. but true forgiveness. you say i don t want it to be different because there are so many gifts that came out of that. true forgiveness thank you for giving me that experience. he was also attracting flocks of people willing to pay thousands of dollars to attend the self-help boot camps. part of his philosophy, push the followers to test their physical limits. but on october, 2009, near sedona, arizona, he pushed too far. what is the problem? two people not breathing, there is no pulse. okay, is this the result of a shooting or something? no, it was a sweat lodge. it was james ray s version of an american sweat lodge, where temperatures reached 120 degrees, killing three of his followers, and sending others to the hospital. everybody was throwing up everywhere, there was spitting going on, people were so confused there was screaming at one time. i know they were yelling and yelling at this man, he was so disoriented that he started to crawl into the pit with the hot rock. witnesses say that ray, instead of helping people to get out, wanted the people to stay inside the hot tent, even though they wanted to leave. he was telling people to come back in. ray was charged with three counts of manslaughter, for the deaths of kirby brown and liz newman, he faced up to 40 years in prison. after days in court, with nine hours of deliberation, the jury reached a verdict. we the jury, in the above entitled action, do find ray james, of the death of elizabeth newman. not guilty of manslaughter, but he was found guilty of negligent homicide. and the relatives of the victims were outraged. my daughter did not choose to go unconscious in a tent in an event that mr. ray ran, and then be ignored. james ray spent 20 months in an arizona prison, today, he is a free man, cnn, chicago. and james ray joins me now exclusively. it is the first time he has spoken since coming out of prison after all of this dreadful tragedy. james ray, how are you? you served 20 months in prison. you have had a few months since you came out to reflect on what has happened. how are you, yourself, and what do you feel now about it all now that you served your punishment? well, i m doing pretty well, piers. i mean, i m very sorry, remorseful for what happened. i wish that i could change that, and there is really no way that anything can change that. you know, i have apologized time and time again, and it doesn t seem like that is enough. it has not been easy for anyone, really. it has been very difficult for me and my family. and yet there has been a lot of learnings. i m grateful for the learnings and the lessons that it has brought. that moment that you were convicted, i mean, that is the moment your life changes. obviously, you had been arrested and charged. but to actually be convicted of negligent homicide, being partly responsible for the deaths of three people. for somebody like you who was a force of being positive, that was the message you always spread, of self help, getting over bad times in your life, this is a terrible moment for you. what was going through your head when you heard guilty, negligent homicide? well, if i can back up a little bit. i think the most difficult thing i can ever imagine is investing your entire life in helping people. and then finding them getting hurt. it is just the antithesis of anything that i had ever stood for or wanted. and so that anguish has continued every single day since that moment on october 8th. when i was sentenced, the hardest thing was that my mom this is going to be tough. my mom had had cancer. and so the first thing that went through my mind, i was her caretaker. and i had always been kind of the caretaker for the family. and so the first thing that went through my mind was oh, my god, what is going to happen to mom? she had to have her thyroid removed in the middle of my trial. and obviously, that was tough. and then it went to her lungs and liver, and the doctor had told me it was stage 4 at the time. and so you know, that i can t describe how horrible i felt. my greatest fear of going into prison was that i would never see her again, that she would pass while i was gone. and what was the reality? how was she you know, it is interesting, piers, that the first month that i was in, i was the better part of the first month i was in solitary confinement. the first couple of weeks i was in what they called the hole, which is where death row is. and so the point being is that i was not able to be in contact with my loved ones for the better portion of the first month. and when i finally got to call her, and i said mom, i m okay. don t worry. it is interesting now, i mean, she is in full remission. i m just thankful to god. because it was a complete turnaround, which tells me that she had really stressed herself into a situation that you know, i feel responsible for that, as well. there will be people watching. and they re going to say on any human level we can see how traumatized you are, how upset you are, obviously powerful what you just said about your mother. but she has survived the experience. you have survived the experience, three people did not survive the experience, they paid big money, $9,000 each to come and have this extraordinary experience with you. you were very famous around the world at the time. and they lost their lives. when you look back on it, what is the single biggest regret about any aspect of the preparation, the planning, any of the things that led to these people dying? you know, hindsight is 20/20. and there is a lot of things that i wish were different. as i said earlier, there is no greater pain than attempting to help people and end up, they get hurt. it is horrible. and, you know, i think one of the great lessons, piers, and there has been many more than we have time for here tonight. is when is good enough good enough? i mean, that has been a tough one for me. because all of my life i have kind of been driven to bigger, better, best. and i reflect back on that particular week. and the sweat lodge was that much it was kind of the sizzle on a steak. it really was not what the week was about. and that has been really misinterpreted and misunderstood. and that whole week was so powerful, and everybody was so high at the end of it. and then we have this graduation physical metaphor. and you know, if i had stopped when everybody was on the high, it would have been different. but when is good enough good enough? i remember thinking, everybody is on such a high. and i m really not into doing the lodge. i have done plenty of lodges. but you know, the contracts were signed. and the commitments were made. and there was expectations. and some people were looking forward to it. and i felt compelled to do the lodge. and you know, maybe again, the lesson is when is good enough good enough? let s take a break, let s come back and talk about what happened that day about what happened in that lodge, because it became a death trap to three people, 19 more were injured. it was a horrifying spectacle. like attracts, like, and as you lock your attention on that, then another particle is attracted, and another is attracted, and bang, you got a mercedes. or boom, you got a moped! and that is how it works. this is science. what are you creating? what are you creating? that was james ray in his prime in 2008, months later a sweat lodge ceremony he led for what he called spiritual warriors, left three people dead. ray, with the oprah seal of approval, spent 20 months behind bars, and tonight for the first time he is telling his story, live and exclusively. so james, your career was rocketing, you appeared on oprah, you made $10 million in one year alone from all the stuff that you were doing. life must have seemed as it looked from that clip, you were at the top of your game. super confident. did that super confidence lead to you, do you think, getting greedy, cutting corners, having too many people at this location. because the sweat lodge allegation, is that normally you would have between 15 and 20 people and you had 55 to 60 people? we had had 75, 73 to 75 the year prior. the lodge that was built was built specifically for a large group of people. and it was built by a native american that the facility at the facility, we had paid. we had hired them to build it. so what happened how could within an hour of this thing starting, a two and a half hour show that you put on in the sweat lodge, how within an hour could 18 people be pretty badly injured? and three people lose their lives? how does that happen? such an environment? i don t know. piers, i really don t know. and you know, there is a lot of different ideas. i mean, there was a lot of medical evidence to say that there were toxins involved. and then the state felt that it was too hot. and obviously, the jury ultimately thought it was too hot. and we ll never really know because the lodge was destroyed within 48 hours of the accident. so there was nothing to follow up on. what was the specific evidence of the sweat lodge, part of the process? well, you know, i m glad you asked that question, because a lot of people believe that the lodge is a native american tradition. it is a native american tradition, but there were a lot of other cultures that used the sweat lodges, as well. many other cultures, it really depends on the culture that you go to. for me, the physical metaphor, it is difficult. so it was a physical metaphor to be able to say after all of this work i ve done, during the week, to embrace and to heal and to deal with the issues that have haunted me. this, i m going to do and metaphorically, rather, i m going to go in, to have this physical metaphor that is going to be difficult. which i warned them it would be i mean, physically, it is punishing. you go inside, they re crammed in like sardines. and they re basically exposed to ever greater amounts of heat. i mean, that is how this works, a sweat lodge, they sweat, and they re very hot. so what kind of barriers or controls did you have in practice, given that it was clearly potentially dangerous? well, obviously, not good enough. and you know, again, as the captain of the ship i have to be responsible for that. and was there a heat limit that you used to have for the sweat lodge? well, you really don t know how hot. no one knows how hot it was in there. because there is no thermostat in there or anything to people watching, why wasn t there? if you have 60 human beings crammed into this vast sauna, which is basically what it is. you know, a sauna has to be regulated, why was there no regulation? there is no regulation for a lodge, i mean, again, in hindsight, there are many thing that is could have been done differently. however, i ve been in numerous lodges and no lodge has a thermostat that i have been in. and people were free to come and go. and the records showed that 16 people did leave when it got too hot for them. others have claimed that you sat by the tent door which remained sealed as chaos continued, people were collapsing, vomiting, having trouble breathing, hallucinating, i mean, foaming at the mouth. i mean, it seems pretty extraordinary that the first thing you wouldn t do would be let s get everybody out of here. again, why didn t you do that? again, i didn t know, know did anyone know that anyone was in a life or death situation. i have been very physical all of my life. and what i noticed was a lot of people having challenges much like you would see at a marathon or any other physical activity. had i known, i wish i would have known. you didn t see anybody suffering from any of those things? nobody collapsing, nobody vomiting, hallucinating or foaming? i didn t see any of those things, those things were happening outside the lodge. again, as i said, my remorse, there are many physical things i would have done differently. of all the metaphorical things i did, the rope walks, the bridges, were extremely powerful. for whatever reason, the lodge was the only one that i participated in. all the rest of them. and in retrospect, i m not sure why. but who was in charge that day in the lodge, who was running the show? you? well, i was in the lodge running the lodge, which the prayers and affirmations, those type of things but were you in charge? i was in charge to that degree. so you had it in your power if you were genuinely concerned about what was happening, to just open the flaps and everybody out. we did, every 15 minutes we opened up the flaps and people were free to leave. come and go. and there were people outside standing around and again, in retrospect, i probably should not have participated. because i was dealing with the same issues that many of the people inside were dealing with. there was an allegation, a woman said that you were asked if she could open up the back of the sweat lodge to get two victims out. you told her it would be sacreligious to do that. i don t recall that. do you recall anybody saying we need to get out of here? i do recall that. were they panicking? some of the people were going out, i told them to go out clock wise carefully, because obviously there was a pit of hot rocks in the center. so you know i was doing my best to control their movement out in a controlled manner so they wouldn t fall into the pit. one gentleman actually ended up burning himself in the pit. when you see what happened and the scale of it, the number of people that were clearly suffering, pretty dramatically, it just seems extraordinary that nobody in any position of authority called a halt to this. i mean, you must live with that every day now. that guilt because it cost three people their lives. i do. and it just prompts the question, why was nobody being more responsible, i guess? i had systems in place and the systems broke down. what was the system in place for that kind of event? there were people positioned within the lodge that were supposed to take care of the participants. and you know, there were people positioned outside the lodge that were to take care of people. and we had you know, i mean, the record we deliberated that, you know, ad infinitum in the trial. we did our best to provide the things outside the lodge for hydration, et cetera. because i had done this experience for a number of years, and we never had anything even close to this. but you had people injured, right, at least three different instances where people suffered a type of health injury? no, there was one time that a gentleman was taken to the hospital two years prior for hydration. and he was dehydrated. he got hydrated and they sent him back within a couple of hours. and so we immediately put in hydration mechanisms, post that year. because we realized hey, we want to address this. i was totally shocked. totally shocked. let s take another break, i want to come back and play the dramatic 911 call which alerted the authorities to what was going on here and also hear from some of the relatives to the victims and get you to respond to what they say. what is the problem? two people are not breathing. there is no pulse. okay, is this the result of a shooting or something? no, it was a sweat lodge. a sweat lodge? he made one comment, and they did say she is passed out, she is passed out. i don t know if she is breathing, he said the door has now closed and this round has begun, we ll deal with that after this round. this is a 911 call and talking about the tragedy that happened. he is back with me now, he is speaking out for the first time since his release. a little reaction on twitter, and give me your views at piers morgan if you want to join in this debate. the guy said come on, making loads of money, maybe $10,000 each, packing in as many as he could, didn t really give a darn, and just wanted to get out of there. what do you say to that? i understand. i mean, if the only thing i knew about me was what i saw in the most media coverage, i would think i was arrogant, self centered and noncaring. were you before that day? had you become a bit like that. i watch this clip of you, supreme confidence, many would see it as arrogance, all about making money, famous, did it go to your head a bit? did you maybe subliminally cut corners? i don t know, piers, i ll answer the first part of your question. was i arrogant? yes. i have that characteristic, i can be arrogant. and i think there is a lot of hubris that comes in my former business. you know, people flying all over the world and asking me how to have a better life. and it tends to go to your head. you know? you tend to think you have got all the answers, and so you get humbled. when you were told that people had died, three people had died, what was your immediate reaction? shock. denial, disbelief. i couldn t i couldn t comprehend it. anguish, like i said it is the greatest pain i can imagine is to really care about helping people. and end up seeing them getting hurt. i mean, people who heard you say that earlier reacted quite strongly said well no, the greater pain is to be a relative of somebody who died in your lodge that day. and i want to play a clip now from kirby brown, one of the victims, 38, from westtown, new york, this is her mother talking about what happened. how many people walked past my daughter in her last moments trying to gasp for breath and didn t help her? how do you live with that? somebody was working to help her outside the tent and i don t know that they were even trained to do cpr. how do you live with that? how do you live with that? and what do you say to a mother who has lost her daughter in such circumstances? i m terribly sorry. it is not easy to live with. you know, it is something i have thought about every single day. and will continue to. do you feel guilty for what happened? it was my event, it was my lodge. i designed it. not the lodge, i designed the event. i chose to do the lodge. and to that degree, i m responsible. i was the captain of the ship. i have to take responsibility for that. there was an allegation that you left the scene pretty quickly and just disappeared. is that true? and if so why did you leave so fast? you know, piers, i wish i could say that i was enlightened enough to not have any impulse for self preservation. i m not. i within the first five minutes, the detective told me that they were investigating it as a homicide. and i was already in shock. and i was like what? and i called my lawyer, and my lawyer said get out of there. i told him what the detective said, he said get out of there, they seized my room, there was nowhere to go. and so i left. and again, there are many things i wish in retrospect i could do differently, but i was scared. i think that is perfectly understandable you would be scared. but it also will appear to people that it was pretty cowardly. as you say, the captain of the ship would normally stay there right to the end. but you fled. and left this catastrophe behind you. i wouldn t argue. you know, i wish i was strong enough to say in the moment, to my counsel, i had never been there before. i was in a situation where i was scared and i was shocked. and you know, again, i wish i was enlightened enough to say that i could overcome that, but i was not. were you a nice person then when you look back on yourself? do you look back on yourself with a certain degree of disgust perhaps at your actions? and recognize that there was a character trait in you that you had to change? there is definitely traits in me that i had to change. and there still are. i don t know that i would say disgust. you know? i m human. and i think i had to go to prison to learn some things that i couldn t learn anywhere else. scared the hell out of me to go. what is the single biggest thing you learned from the time in prison? there are so many. i think the biggest thing i have learned there is a lot of things. but, is that i felt like i in prison, first of all i was scared to death when i went in. i didn t know if i was going to be beat up or stabbed or raped, you know, all i knew about prison was what i saw in the movies. and i was scared. when you found yourself in the first few weeks, as you said with death row inmates, it is about as low as your life could possibly have gotten coming down from this huge high. what the hell were you thinking as you sat in your cell? i had to play mental games with myself, because i had to wear shackles to the shower. you know, you get a shower twice a week. and you have to be escorted in shackles to the shower. and it was an amazing experience. you know, but humiliating? well, humbling. humbling. you know, it was dirty and disease-ridden, but at the end of the day i met a lot of really interesting people. and you know, back to what i learned there, when i first got there, piers, i saw every one else and then me. and then the longer i was there i just saw us. and i felt like i was in the boiler room in the bowels of the ship of humanity. and in the boiler room it is hot and we fight and we scrap and take drugs non-stop, believe it or not. and we tattoo our gang affiliations all over our face and bodies to try to show our importance and to escape our pain. up in the penthouse of the same ship, there is still the same pain. you know? we cheat with our best friend s wife. and we have to build our business bigger and make more money and we tattoo with jewelry and cars and houses. the pain is the same. it is the human experience, the only difference is how we try to escape it. and that is the great lesson, one of the great lessons, the many that i learned. let s take another break, let s come back and talk coming out of prison about the feature and about the call from many of the relatives of those who died in the sweat lodge, there should now be regulations and they want some guarantees from you personally that you won t repeat this kind of thing going forward. i ll get your reaction to that. it is a really loud and clear message to people in the self help industry, especially providers that if you re going to misuse your power, if you re going to convince people to follow you, if you re going to convince people to trust you and be vulnerable with you, and then you lead them into harm s way, you are now going to be held accountable. strong words from an eyewitness at the sweat lodge. now is back after spending months in prison. james ray. i have to say a lot of this condemns in nature, saying that you keep talking about the pain you have suffered. what about the families? it is going to be harsh, given that you have tried to explain your feelings in that sense. and if any of the families are watching, and they might well be, to see how you have changed, what would you say to them? first of all, again, i would say i m sorry. i m extremely sorry for what happened. you know, if i could trade places with any of the three, james kirby or liz, i would do it. and i know nothing i can ever say would change any of that. i you know in reaction to your comment before the break, i mean, i have no intentions whatsoever of certainly ever doing another sweat lodge. and nor doing any experience-type activities. will you do any kind of self-help stuff? have you thought about that? i mean, ultimately you could be in an even better position to help people who have been through a nightmarish experience. i hope so you know, i think we re all here to serve. some entertain, some build business, some teach. and my personal belief is that the universal intelligence, which many people call god, send situations to you to help you learn. and you become a better person. you lost not just your liberty but most of your money. all of it. actually by chance, went to view a house in l.a., it happened to be your house you sold at a bottom rate because you just had to sell everything. did you lose everything financially? everything. how much did you have before this? millions. ten, 20 million? you know, it is a lot of my money was tied up in my business. and in hard assets. i had i mean to go from that kind of wealth, to getting wiped out and to lose your liberty, it is a huge toll on anybody. but do you think looking back it was an appropriate punishment given that three people who paid money to be in your tutelage lost their lives? i have no complaints. you know, i feel like i have taken the punishment, and that god gives us what we deserve. you came here tonight with a delightful lady who has been sitting here watching this whole interview. tell me about that relationship and the future for you? you know, all the things that we there is another lesson, if i may digress. all the things that we hold in such high value in our society, at the end of the day really it amounts to nothing. that is my lesson. you know, the millions i once had in the bank, the new york times best seller, all the accolades, the inc. 500 company. all of those things amount to nothing. i mean in a matter of months they were gone. and they couldn t buy me one ounce of slack with my on my mortgage or anywhere else. and so coming back, i believe that the most important things in life are the things that we sometimes take for granted. like our health, you know, i m so grateful to be healthy. and our family and our loved ones. you know, i i had an incredible family unit that stayed with me through all of this. and it was hard for them. really hard for them. and this lady that you came with tonight? she is in that category. you know, she didn t have to stay with me through it. you know? she drove five hours one way to visit me for four hours, to drive back five hours in the same day. you know, time and again. it s been hard for her, she had three jobs. you know? i couldn t because i was wiped out, i couldn t help her, i couldn t take care of her in the way that i would have liked to when i went away. my brother drove 22 hours, one way to come visit me and also to come to my trial and sit through the trial and then turn around and drive 22 hours back throughout the night. i mean, i m very, very grateful. i have no complaints at all. and i am incredibly grateful. what did your mother say to you finally, i mean, obviously you were talking very emotionally about her at the start of the interview. when you came out, what did she say to you? my mom is my greatest supporter and always has been. and she was always so proud of me. and you know, one of the greatest pains was to have to see in her eyes, all of these horrible things were being said about me. she was just glad i was home. and safe. james ray, i appreciate you coming in. i appreciate you talking so openly about this, i know it has not been easy for you and i wish you all the best in sorting out your future and getting your life back on track. i appreciate that. good to see you. when we come back, the winter storm that is threatening all of your holiday plans. where it will strike next. my dna.s me. every piece is important. this part. makes my eyes blue. i might have an increased risk of heart disease. gallstones. hemochromatosis. i ll look into that. the more you know about your dna, the more you know about yourself. now i know. know more about your health. go to 23andme.com and order your dna kit for only 99 dollars today. learn hundreds of things about your health at 23andme.com 43 million americans are traveling this weekend with the thanksgiving holiday. if you are one of them, chad meyers has pretty bad news for you. chad, bring me up to date on the latest bad news. a lot of people going many places. if this was a different week you don t come to me this late in the night. but we have 40-something million of people trying to travel and thousands of planes in the sky and that is before the weather gets going. tomorrow d.c. is at 32 and it tries to rain. the moisture is coming out of the gulf of mexico and it is humid. but it s cold up here. the rain is going to try to fall into temperatures that are approaching 30 degrees. you are 35 degrees 1,000 feet up. but where you are it is 32 degrees and it tries to freeze. that is a problem. 6:00 a.m. tomorrow starting to get light snow across d.c. but the problem is west of there. all of these interstates, the throughway, the turnpike, 80, 90, 66, they will have ice and snow to the west of the big cities. new york city, boston, all rain. but there will be a lot of snow to the west into the areas that people are probably trying to drive through. piers? and if you do make it what is the prognosis for friday, saturday, sunday? when we get to friday it s all done but the winds will be blowing at 40 miles an hour and i don t think the airports will be reacting with the wind as well as they should. some people may have a couple excuses not to get to work on monday. just wish everybody all the best for thanksgiving. thank you for that update. 50 years ago today, john f. kennedy was laid to rest. the widow, the president s family, john john saluting his father s casket. later tonight, we remember with the assassination of president kennedy at 10:00 eastern. good evening and welcome to piers morgan live. one of my favorite tv moments of the weekend. saturday night live. i m piers morgan the tiny little fool of news. it has been a busy year for george zimmerman he was acquitted of murder and was arrested for assaulting his new girlfriend. here to tell her side of the story is his girlfriend. hi, pers. just one thing to say to you, and that s i m not tiny. i m 6 1 . that s all for us tonight. i m wolf blitzer in for anderson cooper. we begin with a wintry blast of weather right before thanksgiving. that if you re traveling over the next couple of days threatens to make it difficult. hundreds are stranded. the ripple effect is only just beginning. at street level the situation is not much better. sleet and freezing rain in the southern plains and rockies. in oklahoma city, an suv slides on the icy road and slips off the roadway. all caught on video. meanwhile, up to eight inches forecast for new mexico. heavy rain from texas to georgia, in a moment we ll get the latest on the flight situat
warriors paying $9,000 each. after two and a half hours, nine people were dead, and ray james went to prison for nearly two years, now he is a free man, more on the questions about what happened that day in the desert. and tonight for the first time since getting out of jail, james ray is here live to answer those questions. i want to begin with the story of how it went so very wrong for the king of self help. your greatest calling is to find your help. at the peak of his popularity, author james ray was a top motivator, giving speeches, writing books that reached the new york times best seller lists, even catching the attention of oprah. giving up the hope that the past could have been different. you released that. but true forgiveness. you say i don t want it to be different because there are so many gifts that came out of that. true forgiveness thank you for giving me that experience. he was also attracting flocks of people willing to pay thousands of dollars to attend the self-help boot camps. part of his philosophy, push the followers to test their physical limits. but on october, 2009, near sedona, arizona, he pushed too far. what is the problem? two people not breathing, there is no pulse. okay, is this the result of a shooting or something? no, it was a sweat lodge. it was james ray s version of an american sweat lodge, where temperatures reached 120 degrees, killing three of his followers, and sending others to the hospital. everybody was throwing up everywhere, there was spitting going on, people were so confused there was screaming at one time. i know they were yelling and yelling at this man, he was so disoriented that he started to crawl into the pit with the hot rock. witnesses say that ray, instead of helping people to get out, wanted the people to say inside the hot tent, even though they wanted to leave. he was telling people to come back in. ray was charged with three counts of manslaughter, for the deaths of kirby brown and liz newman, he faced up to 40 years in prison. after days in court, with nine hours of deliberation, the jury reached a verdict. we the jury, in the above entitled action, do find ray james, of the death of elizabeth newman. not guilty of manslaughter, but he was found guilty of negligent homicide. and the relatives of the victims were outraged. my daughter did not choose to go unconscious in a tent in an event that mr. ray ran, and then be ignored. james ray spent 20 months in an arizona prison, today, he is a free man, cnn, chicago. and james ray joins me now exclusively. it is the first time he has spoken since coming out of prison after all of this dreadful tragedy. james ray, how are you? you served 20 months in prison. you have had a few months since you came out to reflect on what has happened. how are you, yourself, and what do you feel now about it all now that you served your punishment? well, i m doing pretty well, piers. i mean, i m very sorry, remorseful for what happened. i wish that i could change that, and there is really no way that anything can change that. you know, i have apologized time and time again, and it doesn t seem like that is enough. it has not been easy for anyone, really. it has been very difficult for me and my family. and yet there has been a lot of learnings. i m grateful for the learnings and the lessons that it has brought. that moment that you were convicted, i mean, that is the moment your life changes. obviously, you had been arrested and charged. but to actually be convicted of negligent homicide, being partly responsible for the deaths of three people. for somebody like you who was a force of being positive, that was the message you always spread, of self help, getting over bad times in your life, this is a terrible moment for you. what was going through your head when you heard guilty, negligent homicide? well, if i can back up a little bit. i think the most difficult thing i can ever imagine is investing your entire life in helping people. and then finding them getting hurt. it is just the antithesis of anything that i had ever stood for or wanted. and so that anguish has continued every single day since that moment on october 8th. when i was sentenced, the hardest thing was that my mom this is going to be tough. my mom had had cancer. and so the first thing that went through my mind, i was her caretaker. and i had always been kind of the caretaker for the family. and so the first thing that went through my mind was oh, my god, what is going to happen to mom? she had to have her thyroid removed in the middle of my trial. and obviously, that was tough. and then it went to her lungs and liver, and the doctor had told me it was stage 4 at the time. and so you know, that i can t describe how horrible i felt. my greatest fear of going into prison was that i would never see her again, that she would pass while i was gone. and what was the reality? how was she you know, it is interesting, piers, that the first month that i was in, i was the better part of the first month i was in solitary confinement. the first couple of weeks i was in what they called the hole, which is where death row is. and so the point being is that i was not able to be in contact with my loved ones for the better portion of the first month. and when i finally got to call her, and i said mom, i m okay. don t worry. it is interesting now, i mean, she is in full remission. i m just thankful to god. because it was a complete turnaround, which tells me that she had really stressed herself into a situation that you know, i feel responsible for that, as well. there will be people watching. and they re going to say on any human level we can see how traumatized you are, how upset you are, obviously powerful what you just said about your mother. but she has survived the experience. you have survived the experience, three people did not survive the experience, they paid big money, $9,000 each to come and have this extraordinary experience with you. you were very famous around the world at the time. and they lost their lives. when you look back on it, what is the single biggest regret about any aspect of the preparation, the planning, any of the things that led to these people dying? you know, hindsight is 20/20. and there is a lot of things that i wish were different. as i said earlier, there is no greater pain than attempting to help people and end up, they get hurt. it is horrible. and, you know, i think one of the great lessons, piers, and there has been many more than we have time for here tonight. is when is good enough good enough? i mean, that has been a tough one for me. because all of my life i have kind of been driven to bigger, better, best. and i reflect back on that particular week. and the sweat lodge was that much it was kind of the sizzle on a steak. it really was not what the week was about. and that has been really misinterpreted and misunderstood. and that whole week was so powerful, and everybody was so high at the end of it. and then we have this graduation physical metaphor. and you know, if i had stopped when everybody was on the high, it would have been different. but when is good enough good enough? i remember thinking, everybody is on such a high. and i m really not into doing the lodge. i have done plenty of lodges. but you know, the contracts were signed. and the commitments were made. and there was expectations. and some people were looking forward to it. and i felt compelled to do the lodge. and you know, maybe again, the lesson is when is good enough good enough? let s take a break, let s come back and talk about what happened that day about what happened in that lodge, because it became a death trap to three people, 19 more were injured. it was a horrifying spectacle. 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we had had 75, 73 to 75 the year prior. the lodge that was built was built specifically for a large group of people. and it was built by a native american that the facility at the facility, we had paid. we had hired them to build it. so what happened how could within an hour of this thing starting, a two and a half hour show that you put on in the sweat lodge, how within an hour could 18 people be pretty badly injured? and three people lose their lives? how does that happen? such an environment? i don t know. piers, i really don t know. and you know, there is a lot of different ideas. i mean, there was a lot of medical evidence to say that there were toxins involved. and then the state felt that it was too hot. and obviously, the jury ultimately thought it was too hot. and we ll never really know because the lodge was destroyed within 48 hours of the accident. so there was nothing to follow up on. what was the specific evidence of the sweat lodge, part of the process? well, you know, i m glad you asked that question, because a lot of people believe that the lodge is a native american tradition. it is a native american tradition, but there were a lot of other cultures that used the sweat lodges, as well. many other cultures, it really depends on the culture that you go to. for me, the physical metaphor, it is difficult. so it was a physical metaphor to be able to say after all of this work i ve done, during the week, to embrace and to heal and to deal with the issues that have haunted me. this, i m going to do and metaphorically, rather, i m going to go in, to have this physical metaphor that is going to be difficult. which i warned them it would be i mean, physically, it is punishing. you go inside, they re crammed in like sardines. and they re basically exposed to ever greater amounts of heat. i mean, that is how this works, a sweat lodge, they sweat, and they re very hot. so what kind of barriers or controls did you have in practice, given that it was clearly potentially dangerous? well, obviously, not good enough. and you know, again, as the captain of the ship i have to be responsible for that. and was there a heat limit that you used to have for the sweat lodge? well, you really don t know how hot. no one knows how hot it was in there. because there is no thermostat in there or anything to people watching, why wasn t there? if you have 60 human beings crammed into this vast sauna, which is basically what it is. you know, a sauna has to be regulated, why was there no regulation? there is no regulation for a lodge, i mean, again, in hindsight, there are many thing that is could have been done differently. however, i ve been in numerous lodges and no lodge has a thermostat that i have been in. and people were free to come and go. and the records showed that 16 people did leave when it got too hot for them. others have claimed that you sat by the tent door which remained sealed as chaos continued, people were collapsing, vomiting, having trouble breathing, hallucinating, i mean, foaming at the mouth. i mean, it seems pretty extraordinary that the first thing you wouldn t do would be let s get everybody out of here. again, why didn t you do that? again, i didn t know, know did anyone know that anyone was in a life or death situation. i have been very physical all of my life. and what i noticed was a lot of people having challenges much like you would see at a marathon or any other physical activity. had i known, i wish i would have known. you didn t see anybody suffering from any of those things? nobody collapsing, nobody vomiting, hallucinating or foaming? i didn t see any of those things, those things were happening outside the lodge. again, as i said, my remorse, there are many physical things i would have done differently. of all the metaphorical things i did, the rope walks, the bridges, were extremely powerful. for whatever reason, the lodge was the only one that i participated in. all the rest of them. and in retrospect, i m not sure why. but who was in charge that day in the lodge, who was running the show? you? well, i was in the lodge running the lodge, which the prayers and affirmations, those type of things but were you in charge? i was not in charge to that degree. so you had it in your power if you were genuinely concerned about what was happening, to just open the flaps and everybody out. we did, every 15 minutes we opened up the flaps and people were free to leave. come and go. and there were people outside standing around and again, in retrospect, i probably should not have participated. because i was dealing with the same issues that many of the people inside were dealing with. there was an allegation, a woman said that you were asked if she could open up the back of the sweat lodge to get two victims out. you told her it would be sac religious to do that. i don t recall that. do you recall anybody saying we need to get out of here? i do recall that. were they panicking? some of the people were going out, i told them to go out clock wise carefully, because obviously there was a pit of hot rocks in the center. so you know i was doing my best to control their movement out in a controlled manner so they wouldn t fall into the pit. one gentleman actually ended up burning himself in the pit. when you see what happened and the scale of it, the number of people that were clearly suffering, pretty dramatically, it just seems extraordinary that nobody in any position of authority called a halt to this. i mean, you must live with that every day now. that guilt because it cost three people their lives. i do. and it just prompts the question, why was nobody being more responsible, i guess? i had systems in place and the systems broke down. what was the system in place for that kind of event? there were people positioned within the lodge that were supposed to take care of the participants. and you know, there were people positioned outside the lodge that were to take care of people. and we had you know, i mean, the record we deliberated that, you know, ad infinitum in the trial. we did our best to provide the things outside the lodge for hydration, et cetera. because i had done this experience for a number of years, and we never had anything even close to this. but you had people injured, right, at least three different instances where people suffered a type of health injury? no, there was one time that a gentleman was taken to the hospital two years prior for hydration. and he was dehydrated. he got hydrated and they sent him back within a couple of hours. and so we immediately put in hydration mechanisms, post that year. because we realized hey, we want to address this. i was totally shocked. totally shocked. let s take another break, i want to come back and play the dramatic 911 call which alerted the authorities to what was going on here and also hear from some of the relatives to the victims and get you to respond to what they say. 1ñp [ paper rustles, outdoor sounds ] [ male announcer ] laura s heart attack didn t come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you ve had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. if so, if you re sleepingack, be in your contact lenses,ctor what you wear to bed is your business. ask about the air optix® contacts so breathable they re approved for up to 30 nights of continuous wear. serious eye problems may occur. ask your doctor and visit airoptix.com for safety information and a free one-month trial. what is the problem? two people are not breathing. there is no pulse. okay, is this the result of a shooting or something? no, it was a sweat lodge. a sweat lodge? he made one comment, and they did say she is passed out, she is passed out. i don t know if she is breathing, he said the door has now closed and this round has begun, we ll deal with that after this round. this is a 911 call and talking about the tragedy that happened. he is back with me now, he is speaking out for the first time since his release. a little reaction on twitter, and give me your views at piers morgan if you want to join in this debate. the guy said come on, making loads of money, maybe $10,000 each, packing in as many as he could, didn t really give a darn, and just wanted to get out of there. what do you say to that? i understand. i mean, if the only thing i knew about me was what i saw in the most media coverage, i would think i was arrogant, self centered and noncaring. were you before that day? had you become a bit like that. i watch this clip of you, supreme confidence, many would see it as arrogance, all about making money, famous, did it go to your head a bit? did you maybe subliminally cut corners? i don t know, piers, i ll answer the first part of your question. was i arrogant? yes. i have that characteristic, i can be arrogant. and i think there is a lot of hubris that comes in my former business. you know, people flying all over the world and asking me how to have a better life. and it tends to go to your head. you know? you tend to think you have got all the answers, and so you get humbled. when you were told that people had died, three people had died, what was your immediate reaction? shock. denial, disbelief. i couldn t i couldn t comprehend it. anguish, like i said it is the greatest pain i can imagine is to really care about helping people. and end up seeing them getting hurt. i mean, people who heard you say that earlier reacted quite strongly said well no, the greater pain is to be a relative of somebody who died in your lodge that day. and i want to play a clip now from kirby brown, one of the victims, 38, from westtown, new york, this is her mother talking about what happened. how many people walked past my daughter in her last moments trying to gasp for breath and didn t help her? how do you live with that? somebody was working to help her outside the tent and i don t know that they were even trained to do cpr. how do you live with that? how do you live with that? and what do you say to a mother who has lost her daughter in such circumstances? i m terribly sorry. it is not easy to live with. you know, it is something i have thought about every single day. and will continue to. do you feel guilty for what happened? it was my event, it was my lodge. i designed it. not the lodge, i designed the event. i chose to do the lodge. and to that degree, i m responsible. i was the captain of the ship. i have to take responsibility for that. there was an allegation that you left the scene pretty quickly and just disappeared. is that true? and if so why did you leave so fast? you know, piers, i wish i could say that i was enlightened enough to not have any impulse for self preservation. i m not. i within the first five minutes, the detective told me that they were investigating it as a homicide. and i was already in shock. and i was like what? and i called my lawyer, and my lawyer said get out of there. i told him what the detective said, he said get out of there, they seized my room, there was nowhere to go. and so i left. and again, there are many things i wish in retrospect i could do differently, but i was scared. i think that is perfectly understandable you would be scared. but it also will appear to people that it was pretty cowardly. as you say, the captain of the ship would normally stay there right to the end. but you fled. and left this catastrophe behind you. i wouldn t argue. you know, i wish i was strong enough to say in the moment, to my counsel, i had never been there before. i was in a situation where i was scared and i was shocked. and you know, again, i wish i was enlightened enough to say that i could overcome that, but i was not. were you a nice person then when you look back on yourself? do you look back on yourself with a certain degree of disgust perhaps at your actions? and recognize that there was a character trait in you that you had to change? there is definitely traits in me that i had to change. and there still are. i don t know that i would say disgust. you know? i m human. and i think i had to go to prison to learn some things that i couldn t learn anywhere else. scared the hell out of me to go. what is the single biggest thing you learned from the time in prison? there are so many. i think the biggest thing i have learned there is a lot of things. but, is that i felt like i in prison, first of all i was scared to death when i went in. i didn t know if i was going to be beat up or stabbed or raped, you know, all i knew about prison was what i saw in the movies. and i was scared. when you found yourself in the first few weeks, as you said with death row inmates, it is about as low as your life could possibly have gotten coming down from this huge high. what the hell were you thinking as you sat in your cell? i had to play mental games with myself, because i had to wear shackles to the shower. you know, you get a shower twice a week. and you have to be escorted in shackles to the shower. and it was an amazing experience. you know, but humiliating? well, humbling. humbling. you know, it was dirty and disease-ridden, but at the end of the day i met a lot of really interesting people. and you know, back to what i learned there, when i first got there, piers, i saw every one else and then me. and then the longer i was there i just saw us. and i felt like i was in the boiler room in the bowels of the ship of humanity. and in the boiler room it is hot and we fight and we scrap and take drugs non-stop, believe it or not. and we tattoo our gang affiliations all over our face and bodies to try to show our importance and to escape our pain. up in the penthouse of the same ship, there is still the same pain. you know? we cheat with our best friend s wife. and we have to build our business bigger and make more money and we tattoo with jewelry and cars and houses. the pain is the same. it is the human experience, the only difference is how we try to escape it. and that is the great lesson, one of the great lessons, the many that i learned. let s take another break, let s come back and talk coming out of prison about the feature and about the call from many of the relatives of those who died in the sweat lodge, there should now be regulations and they want some guarantees from you personally that you won t repeat this kind of thing going forward. i ll get your reaction to that. hey, buddy? 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it is going to be harsh, given that you have tried to explain your feelings in that sense. and if any of the families are watching, and they might well be, to see how you have changed, what would you say to them? first of all, again, i would say i m sorry. i m extremely sorry for what happened. you know, if i could trade places with any of the three, james kirby or liz, i would do it. and i know nothing i can ever say would change any of that. i you know in reaction to your comment before the break, i mean, i have no intentions whatsoever of certainly ever doing another sweat lodge. and nor doing any experience-type activities. will you do any kind of self-help stuff? have you thought about that? i mean, ultimately you could be in an even better position to help people who have been through a nightmarish experience. i hope so you know, i think we re all here to serve. some entertain, some build business, some teach. and my personal belief is that the universal intelligence, which many people call god, send situations to you to help you learn. and you become a better person. you lost not just your liberty but most of your money. all of it. actually by chance, went to view a house in l.a., it happened to be your house you sold at a bottom rate because you just had to sell everything. did you lose everything financially? everything. how much did you have before this? millions. ten, 20 million? you know, it is a lot of my money was tied up in my business. and in hard assets. i had i mean to go from that kind of wealth, to getting wiped out and to lose your liberty, it is a huge toll on anybody. but do you think looking back it was an appropriate punishment given that three people who paid money to be in your tutelage lost their lives? i have no complaints. you know, i feel like i have taken the punishment, and that god gives us what we deserve. you came here tonight with a delightful lady who has been sitting here watching this whole interview. tell me about that relationship and the future for you? you know, all the things that we there is another lesson, if i may digress. all the things that we hold in such high value in our society, at the end of the day really it amounts to nothing. that is my lesson. you know, the millions i once had in the bank, the new york times best seller, all the accolades, the inc. 500 company. all of those things amount to nothing. i mean in a matter of months they were gone. and they couldn t buy me one ounce of slack with my on my mortgage or anywhere else. and so coming back, i believe that the most important things in life are the things that we sometimes take for granted. like our health, you know, i m so grateful to be healthy. and our family and our loved ones. you know, i i had an incredible family unit that stayed with me through all of this. and it was hard for them. really hard for them. and this lady that you came with tonight? she is in that category. you know, she didn t have to stay with me through it. you know? she drove five hours one way to visit me for four hours, to drive back five hours in the same day. you know, time and again. it s been hard for her, she had three jobs. you know? i couldn t because i was wiped out, i couldn t help her, i couldn t take care of her in the way that i would have liked to when i went away. my brother drove 22 hours, one way to come visit me and also to come to my trial and sit through the trial and then turn around and drive 22 hours back throughout the night. i mean, i m very, very grateful. i have no complaints at all. and i am incredibly grateful. what did your mother say to you finally, i mean, obviously you were talking very emotionally about her at the start of the interview. when you came out, what did she say to you? my mom is my greatest supporter and always has been. and she was always so proud of me. and you know, one of the greatest pains was to have to see in her eyes, all of these horrible things were being said about me. she was just glad i was home. and safe. james ray, i appreciate you coming in. i appreciate you talking so openly about this, i know it has not been easy for you and i wish you all the best in sorting out your future and getting your life back on track. i appreciate that. good to see you. when we come back, the winter storm that is threatening all of your holiday plans. where it will strike next. d hi honey, did you get the toaster cozy? 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[ gunshots] oswald has been shot at point blank range fired into the stomach. police are working to the assumption oswald s murder was to shut him up. the element of a simple intelligence agency killed john kennedy.