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what's wrong? trying to think of something? >> no. >> okay. >> a wise man always think before he speak. and dealing with people of your caliber and the person of my nation is, like playing chess. we're on two different sides of the table. >> that's right. >> as kitchings and greene press gathers, he begin to backtrack. >> it's not in my nature to do stuff like that. >> right. right. >> if anybody knows supreme, people would know i'm the more humble type with my authority. i'm guilty by association pretty much. mr. kitchings, guilty by association. >> well, i appreciate you talking to us, okay? but take my advice to heart and just chill out. you don't need any more charge before you go to court. all right, man. thank you. >> all right. >> take him back. >> you kind of flip-flopped. was some kind of hit put out on a specific officer? >> did i send it? no.
the island and still lives there. >> john's island is a rural community. everybody is close knit, everybody knows everybody. i see people from home in here all the time. so if i see them at home, at the grocery store, they're like, "i'm out. you won't see me in there again." the when i see them again, it's like, "let me tell you what happened." >> the melvin gathers, who is awaiting trial for alleged armed robberies is, also from john's island. >> what's up? you doing all right? i've known his family for some time because we've been in school together from middle school through high school. by knowing his family, it helped in being able to talk and engage in conversation. >> sergeant kitchings hopes that officer greene's relationship with gathers will provide insight into gathers' role with the game folk notion. >> a set of gangs under a common name, folk nation, black gangster disciples, manic, latin disciples. out of chicago, they fall under the umbrella of folk nation. we have documented cases of a leader of a gang sending out orders to members to assault other inmates. we've had some members get
street to handle anything that needs to be taken care of, it will get handled. >> several weeks earlier, an inmate tied to folk nation assaulted an officer in the jail. now sergeant kitchings wants to find out if gathers was involved. >> rumor has it on the street that he's been putting out orders to assault officers. hopefully we're able to confirm or deny that information today. >> good evening. how you doing, man? go on and have a seat, melvin. you're folk, right, gangster disciple? how long you been involved? >> yeah, since day one. >> day one? >> age 13. '99. >> how far up are you? >> how far am i? i'm not comfortable answering that question as far as rank instruction. i'm not comfortable answering that question. >> i've been hearing something kind of disturbing to me. i've been hearing that you've been putting orders out for officers to be assaulted. and this is coming from the street. it's not coming from this facility.
when it comes down to his gang affiliations here, his chest is out. he's proud. >> mr. gathers refers to himself -- and i've heard other inmates refer to him as supreme. >> a lot of people call me supreme. supreme is the most high. i have a reputation that i must hold. >> officer last has observed gathers' influence over other inmates. >> if they're all yelling and screaming, he can stop them. if they're all quiet and he's mad, he can start them, as well. >> i can direct an inmate, a brother, a person, even a non-disciple. if i was to send word to the street to handle anything that needs to be taken care of, it will get handled. >> several weeks earlier, an inmate tied to folk nation assaulted an officer in the jail. now sergeant kitchings wants to find out if gathers was involved. >> rumor has it on the street that he's been putting out orders to assault officers.
awaiting trial for a series of alleged armed robberies is, also from john's island. >> what's up? you doing all right? i've known his family for some time because we've been in school together from middle school through high school. by knowing his family, it helped in being able to talk and engage him in conversation. >> sergeant kitchings hopes that officer greene's relationship with gathers will provide insight into gathers' role with the gang called folk nation. >> a set of gangs under a common name, folk nation, black gangster disciples, manic latin disciples. out of chicago, they fall under the umbrella of folk nation. we have documented cases of a leader of a gang sending out orders to members to assault other inmates. we've had some members get caught up with smuggling contraband to the facility. they have assaulted staff before. so they get -- it can be a real big problem. >> melvin gathers, he is a second lieutenant in folk nation. he is considered one of the higher ranks.
affiliations here, his chest is out, he's out. >> mr. gathers refers to himself -- and i've heard other inmates refer to him as supreme. >> a lot of people call me supreme. supreme is the most high. i have a reputation that i must hold. >> officer last has observed gathers' influence over other inmates. >> if they're all yelling and screaming, he can stop them. if they're all quiet and he's mad, he can start them, as well. >> i can direct an inmate, a brother, person, even a non-disciple. if i was to send word to the street to handle anything that needs to be taken care of, it will get handled. >> several weeks earlier, an inmate tied to folk nation assaulted an officer in the jail. now sergeant kitchings wants to find out if gathers was involved. >> rumor has it on the street that he's been putting out orders to assault officers. hopefully we're able to confirm
>> it's not in my nature to do stuff like that. >> right. right. >> if anybody knows supreme, people would know i'm the more humble type with my authority. i'm guilty by association pretty much. mr. kitchings, guilty by association. >> well, i appreciate you talking to us, okay? but take my advice to heart and just chill out. you don't need any more charge before you go to court. all right, man. thank you. >> all right. >> take him back. >> you kind of flip-flopped. was some kind of hit put out on a specific officer? >> did i send it? no. do everybody think that i've done it? yes. they think that supreme has his hands in a lot of things. >> i think he wants to project himself as being very powerful. if he is projected as pulling that much power to have inmates assault officers, the other inmates might respect him more. might project him to be more of a powerful individual. personally, i do not believe
to come. >> you actually put an order out for someone to be punished from here because of the way they treated you? >> it was more so like a warning. >> a warning? >> yeah. >> you're looking at some serious charges, all right, and you want to add some more charges to that, that's a felony. >> there's about so much you can do to me right now. >> that's true. but you go to court with additional felony charges -- especially putting out order and hits like that even though you might not intend it to be that serious, they are serious. and that's going to go against you when you go to court. you feel like you have a glimmer of hope, you need to hold onto that hope. doing stuff like this, that hope can fade real quickly. you look perplexed. what's wrong? trying to think of something? >> no. >> okay. >> a wise man always think before he speak. and dealing with people of your caliber and the person of my nature is like playing chess. we're on two different sides of the table. >> that's right. >> as kitchings and greene press gathers, he begins to backtrack.
>> you actually put an order out for someone to be punished from here because of the way they treated you? >> it was more so like a warning. >> a warning? >> yeah. >> you're looking at some serious charges, all right, and more charge to that, that's a felony. >> there's about so much you can do to me right now. >> you that true. but you go to court with additional felony charges -- especially putting out order and hits like that even though you might not intend it to be that serious, they are serious. and that's going to go against you when you go to court. you feel like you have a glimmer of hope, you need to hold on to that hope. dog stuff like this, that hope can fade real quickly. you look perplexed. what's wrong? trying to think of something? >> no. >> okay. >> a wise man always think before he speak. and dealing with people of your caliber and the person of my nation is, like playing chess. we're on two different sides of the table. >> that's right. >> as kitchings and greene press gathers, he begin to backtrack.
>> what's up? you doing all right? i've known his family for some time because we've been in school together from middle school throu high school. by knowing his family, it helped in being able to talk and engage in conversation. >> sergeant kitchings hopes that officer greene's relationship with gathers will provide insight into gathers' role with the game folk notion. >> a set of gangs under a common name, folk nation, black gangster disciples, manic, latin disciples. out of chicago, they fall under the umbrella of folk nation. we have documented cases of a leader of a gang sending out orders to members to assault other inmates. we've had some members get caught up with smuggling contraband to the facility. they have assaulted staff before. so they get -- it can be a real big problem. >> melvin gathers, he is a second lieutenant in folk nation. he is considered one of the higher ranks. when its come down to his gang