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CNN Special Report-20150912-23:33:00

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:11:00

know, by maintenance programs, both electronically and by maintenance folks on the ground. >> so as a pilot you basically give a once-over, you eyeball the aircraft, you walk around it, but you're depending on the maintenance teams to do their regular maintenance? >> yeah, and a lot of this stuff in an engine is not visible, especially that size, anderson. >> you'd have to open up the cells to do that. >> go ahead, david, you were saying you'd have to open up the engine itself? >> yeah, you'd have to open the cells to see that. as les was saying, you have the fire extinguisher system that's deployed from the front, but if there's an actual fire and flames that are causing damage to the cells, there is some fire extinguishing capabilities within the cell itself. but what les is talking about is to extinguish a known fire, that's what would have to be done there. but it is odd to me either way which system worked or didn't

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:06:00

time, but they have got that fire out now. again, though, we want to remind people that one of those runways at mccarran international is closed and that could mean some delays for folks. >> do we know the exact nature? you said two people had some minor injuries. do you know the nature of those? >> reporter: we don't. we don't know if it has to do with smoke inhalation or if they actually had burns or they got hurt as they were jumping out of the plane. we're still trying to gather that information. >> we'll continue to check in with you. we're joined by cnn aviation analyst, les avon. we'll also be joined by david soucy. les, when you look at these pictures, what -- at this point, and obviously there is an investigation that needs to be done, but what do you see happening here? >> yeah. as with you, anderson, it's very preliminary for me looking at those pictures. i'm not so sure it's an engine situation. they aborted the takeoff for some particular reason. you know, the bottom line is this is a happy ending.

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-01:09:00

indeed it was an engine fire, and everything is preliminary at this part of the investigation so we don't even know for sure. yes, the f. aa said it was an engine fire but it's hard to determine just by those pictures. when we go through the checklist procedure for an engine fire situation, we pull what we call a fire handle. that not only sends out fire retardant material, it also shuts off the bleed air system which goes into the cabin and supplies pressurization and air conditioning and heat for the cabin situation. in addition to shutting down electrical, in addition it's shutting down all the electrical that's coming from that -- or hydraulics coming from that particular engine. >> you know, les, the two eyewitnesses i've spoken to about this said that the evacuations seemed to take place very, very quickly. they saw the chutes come down and people coming out. do you have a sense of how quickly a plane like this can actually be evacuated? >> well, an airplane like this, i mean the faa -- you have to

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:09:00

there's fire extinguishing bottles in the engine, the cell areas, so if this fire was in the cell, it would try to put that out. what that indicates to me is there may have been some kind of a breach in the fuel system to continue to feed that fire. so it's obviously preliminary. >> les? >> anderson, let me clarify a little bit what dave said. you have to -- we have to go through a checklist. we have to physically what we call shoot a bottle. there are bottles that we shoot or halon bottles that we activate in the cockpit that shoots fire retardant into that particular engine. in this particular case there's two on this engine. there's two fire retardant bottles that would shoot directly into the engine itself but it's not done automatically. however, the continuation of the fire may very well have been as a result of the brakes heating. we've got on that airplane, there's three -- excuse me, six wheels on each main gear truck,

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:10:00

so it could have been -- it seems very black to me. it could have been rubber. those wheels will get heated very, very quickly in an aborted takeoff situation. you're dealing with a lot of energy. you're dealing with a 650,000 pound airplane potentially that has to come to a complete stop. so it could -- it possibly could have been related, the fire perpetuating could have been due to the wheels catching on fire. >> les, prior to a takeoff, i mean as a pilot, how much of a checklist do you go through? i mean i assume engines are checked before the plane -- the passengers even board. is there a protocol for that? >> well, you know, this is a continual maintenance program, dave will back me up on this, but we don't specifically check things on the engine other than visually when one of the crew members will walk around the airplane. engines are continuously monitored all the time, you

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:13:00

early reporting on this. we'll continue to check on this throughout the hour. we are on for two hours tonight. les, david, thank you. we'll have more updates throughout these two hours on this breaking story. also tonight the kentucky clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses is free from jail today steps up to a microphone. what she told supporters. and hillary clinton admitting it was a mistake to use her private server and she now says she is sorry. just might be the one.

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:12:00

work. you would think that that fire would have been put out long before it did. it burned for quite some time but fortunately everybody got off safely. >> les, i assume you have not been in a situation like this or i don't even know if you simulate this kind of thing in training, but how much smoke in a situation like this would actually get into the main cabin? >> that's a great question. we do, anderson, simulate this on every recurrent training cycle that we go through. this is -- this is, like i said, textbook type training for us. and, yes, in answer to your question, it is possible if we have what we call our bleeds, all the ducting into the cabin is on, it is possible. however, the process of the checklist will shut down that going into the cabin. but it is possible to some extent before this checklist is completed to get some of that smoke into the cabin. >> scary stuff for passengers certainly. and again, just everybody got out, two minor injuries is the

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-00:07:00

this is the way emergencies are supposed to go. if you abort a takeoff, you abruptly stop the airplane. you bring the throttles back, put it into idle. you bring the engines into reverse situation. now, why they aborted, we don't know. was it an engine fire. >> you know, les, let me jump in because the faa has just released a statement as we've been talking saying it was an aborted takeoff due to a left engine fire. >> okay. then the true did a tremendous job. they stopped the airplane. with an engine fire situation, this is textbook stuff. this is what we're trained to do in an aborted situation. so they stopped the airplane, evaluated the situation, probably got an evaluation by the crash fire rescue people and from that point went through the checklist methodically. flight attendants were probably waiting for a command signal from the cockpit to evacuate the airplane or not. obviously we know what happened,

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Anderson Cooper 360-20150909-03:07:00

les, when you look at these pictures, what -- at this point, and obviously there is an investigation that needs to be done, but what do you see happening here? >> yeah. as with you, anderson, it's very preliminary for me looking at those pictures. i'm not so sure it's an engine situation. they aborted the takeoff for some particular reason. you know, the bottom line is this is a happy ending. this is the way emergencies are supposed to go. if you abort a takeoff, you abruptly stop the airplane. you bring the throttles back, put it into idle. you bring the engines into reverse situation. now, why they aborted, we don't know. was it an engine fire. >> you know, les, let me jump in because the faa has just released a statement as we've been talking saying it was an aborted takeoff due to a left engine fire. >> okay. then the true did a tremendous job. they stopped the airplane. with an engine fire situation,

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