chairman of the powerful house oversight committee telling fox news there may be new evidence that the clinton foundation is engaged in illegal activity. congressman mark meadows setting a decembers fifth hearing on the hill to see where they stand for the pay to play allegations and say there may be some whistle-blowers willing to testify as well. fox chief intelligence reporter catherine herridge is here and has the story. tonight house republicans are trying to finish up their investigative work before they lose control of house committees, including the clinton center controversial charity.lu why don t you give back the money? i think it would be a great gesture. on the campaign trail, candidate trump had harsh words for the clinton foundation. it s a criminal enterprise, saudi arabia giving $25 million, qatar, all of these countries. writing to congress last spring, then attorney general jeff sessions tapped john huber to probe the foundation, which took tens of million dollars from foreign interests while clinton was secretary of state under president obama. while the foundation set up by clintonnt and her husband has consistently denied wrongdoing, house republicans are now calling for john huber to testify about his findings. in a phone interview, congressman mark meadows said the hearing will be public. on december fifth, the b subcommittee on government operations will be holding a hearing where we will request mr. john huber or his designee to testify along with a couple of whistle-blowers based on previous conversations with the department of justice weeks ago. they indicated that mr. huber was making progress. meadows, chairman of the freedom caucus, said congressional investigators also had new records about the foundation s work. there is a question of impropriety as it relates to the clinton foundation, whether it is quid pro quo, whether it is improper use or of charitable giving. along with the foundation, huber is investigating allegations of surveilling foreign abuses, carter page, the foreign abuses targeting carter page. the justice department inspector general isab also investigating alleged surveillance abuses as well as media leaks by the doj and fbi to include former fbi director james comey and his memos about his meetings with the president. fox news reached out to the u.sc attorney s office in utah and the clinton foundation but there was no immediate response. with less than six weeks before the democratic take over the house, the huber testimony may be the last chance for republicans to get foundation evidence into the congressional record. lisa? lisa: thank you, catherine. joining me now, corey lewandowski, trump s 2016 campaign manager and coauthor of the new book, trump enemies out next tuesday. and antjuan seawright, former senior advisor to the hillary clinton campaign and the ceo of blue of blueprint strategy. thank you both for being with me tonight. hello, lisa. lisa: i want to start with you, antjuan. if there is potentially new information, it is the oversight committee s job to investigate. why wouldn t they look into those?sa lisa, this is a prime example why the republicans lost control of the congress, just a few weeks ago. they have investigated themselves into the minority. here we are once again wasting taxpayers dollars on something that does not exist. they spent so much time focusing on hillary clinton that they have not spent time putting forth a policy agenda that would move this country forward and the voters responded the way they did on tuesday night. lisa: cory, what do you make it would antjuan just said? it s the truth! isn t it the oversight committee s job to conduct oversight? of course, lisa. if new information is available, mark meadows and his committee have an obligation to the american taxpayers and constitution to do their job, to investigate whatever that may lead. we all know the clinton foundation was not on the up and up. my only disappointment was that the congress has taken this long to continue the investigation, that it wasn t done for the justice department prior to now. there is no way that the individuals or those countries from overseas that gave tens of millions of dollars for accessr to the clinton foundation, whether as secretary of state or after, doing so out of their goodwill. what you have seen now, the clinton foundation not receiving those types of donations anymore, so clearly, it was a pay-to-play scam. there should be a much larger investigation to bring it to light. the clintons have always operated withs one set of rules for everyone else and afo different set of rules for them. that s the truth.as lisa: i want to ask you that.. i want to follow up on what corey said. if we have seen a drop off on donations, if donations weren t meant to give access to hillary clinton, why the drop off? maybe people have moved on, and maybe the clintons have moved on. corey just swallow the biggest bull of hypocrisy ever seen. here we have the republican majority in the president trying to strike fear in the americanis people about investigations, after investigations, if the democratic over the congress, and now you are sitting here tonight, corey. it s okay, congress has a responsibility to investigate. which one is it? you can t have your cake and eat it, too, my friend. this is the last straw by the republicans to drive a wedge into the real issues in this country and separate democrats from republicans and that is where this is all about. lisa: antjuan, i m prettyat sure congress has an obligation to investigate and they should investigate clinton and comey and mccabe - and ivanka trump e-mails at the same time. let s go into the e-mails. lisa: antjuan, hold on! ivanka trump did not bleach bit 33,000 emails on a private server or have classified emails on her own server and say, whoops, i didn t know that as a secretary of state or former u.s. senator that i can t store classified information on my private server. she never did that. let s investigate hillary clinton for putting on classified information onto humr abedin s server, of which her ex-husband had access to, the fbi knew about it, and did not prosecute any of them, but actually gave them leniency because they claimed they had attorney-client privilege, cheryl miles, huma abedin, and hillary clinton. you should read the book. all the information is in there. lisa: antjuan, does none of this concern you? one of the things that we know ncthat the doj s looking into, potential pay to play. the associated press recorded about clinton donors getting access to hillary clinton with meetings. you know, a prince went to the clinton foundation to try to get access to hillary clinton. when he couldn t get to her via the state department. you look at things like the international business times reporting that arms sales increased to going to foundatioi donors. increased to clinton foundation donors.u? how does none of this concern you? lisa, what you and corey and i both know, a three of us now, is if there was an inch of wrongdoing by the clintons, it would have been headlined, front and center, all the way throughu every news outlet lisa: but the doj is looking into it. the investigation would have been the top front and center of his network and every other right-wing network you can imagine. o you and i both know that. is no there there. i think we are going to find this out. this is the last straw by the republicans will make their way through the majority and they try to raise an issue where there is no issue. lisa: corey, we don t know that yet, do we? the doj is looking into this. we they would have settled it by now. lisa: they are looking into it, antjuan. corey? we don t know at the bottom line is but we do know that the inspector general is still looking at the crooked members of the fbi, whether that is james comey or mccabe here we go. [laughs]bi that s a fact. the ig is looking into those people. the deputy director of the fbi has been referred to a criminal referral for lying under oath on three separate occasions. we know there is a part of theef clinton team, bruce ohr and nellie ohr, part of fusion gps, all tied to the clinton cabal, and we are going to find out once and for all what they did to try to subvert the will of e the american people and if thy were involved in any way, shape, or form, falsifying a fisa application just by american application to spy on american citizens, because if donald trump wasn t elected, we would not know any of those things. corey, bless your heart. you ve done a good job of repeating lisa: antjuan, you ve done a good job of repeating talking points but you know and i know that is a different type of reality. that is fiction, not fact. lisa: all right, we are going to end happy thanksgiving. happy thanksgiving to you, my friend. lisa: happy thanksgiving, gentlemen. i appreciate you joining me tonight. we are also learning more tonight about what special counsel robert mueller asked in that list of questions to president trump on what they could indicate about the status of the russia investigation. kevin corke is with the president tonight in palm beach with the story. kevin? now we wait. that is the white house s feeling as they await the special counsel s next move in in the ongoing russia probe, hoping obviously that sooner than later, this will all come to ato head. as you know, the president submitted answers to a number of questions issued by the mueller team yesterday. among them, we have learned according to axios, questions about his knowledge of the infamous trump tower meeting involving donald trump jr. a classic what did he know and when did he know what scenarioen that obviously can trip you up. you have to play that went straighto down the middle. there was also at least one question, by the way, we are told, lisa, about russian hacking. after the president made we ll just call it a quip about getting the russians to look for secretary hillary clinton s missing emails during the campaign. also, we have learned that white house counsel don mcgahn implored the president to not pressure the department justice to investigate secretary clinton and james comey because it might be seen as obstructing justice during the ongoing russia probe, which the president says quite forcefully he did not do, nor did he collude with the kremlin about which rudy giuliani told axios, i don t think they speaking of the mueller team have any evidence of collusion of any kind. i think their obstruction case, as a legal matter, doesn tat exist. clearly, a very strong opinion and a very strong argument made by the former mayor of new york city, but clearly his opinion, lisa, is not the one that matters the most. h that distinction belongs, of course, to the special counsel himself, robert mueller. lisa? lisa: thank you, kevin. us always do such a great job breaking these things down. joining me right now, wisconsin republican and former prosecutor for the doj. jim, i will start with you. do you believe that the questions are actually a win for presidentt trump and potentially show there s not a serious wreck threat to the president? why is that? i ve been involved in criminal prosecution or criminal defense for a long time and if your client is told that i have aeg take-home exam, that is a great moment for you to ask any college kid, would you rather have a take-home exam or the one of the class, they will usuallyy want to take home.rs this is one where you can cuddle up with the lawyers, come up with answers, not worry too much about her. i can t imagine anyone we ll let that piece of paper go back to mueller with any sort of glaring confessions on it. basically be done, bang the gong, no follow up. b pretty simple test. lisa: congressman, let s talk about that. what do you make of these mueller questions? apparently the two main focuses that kevin laid out are the dnc hacking as well as the trump tower meeting. l do you see any legal liability for president trump with those? the president has been clear he has not colluded with russia. i always said, president trump had a hard enough time colludine with the republican party, let alone russia. i wonder why we are going through an investigation right now on donald trump withro russia you and i both know esthis, lisa, and the viewers kw this this investigation started on the dirty hillary clinton dossier where she colluded through fusion gps with none other than russians that started this whole investigation. i think donald trump ran a great campaign. he campaigned in places like wisconsin and pennsylvania and won them. the remnants of the dirty dossier and the hillary clinton campaign are coming by way of the mueller investigation. donald trump is not going to set himself a perjury trap and is going to answer the questions truthfully s in regards to the questions that were submitted to them by the mueller team. lisa: jim, speaking of hillary clinton, so michael flynn s sentencing is coming up. do you see inconsistencies in the way that michael flynn has been treated and the way that the hillary clinton team worked? it s broader than flynn.ll if you remember from the inspector general report and some of the information that came out about the hillary clinton probe, it became very clear that comey was overtly describing this investigation as one where they were not going to use false statement charges against any ot the potential witnesses or targets. they swore it off and said, and front of a number of fbi. s personnel, he made the comment about, we won t waste our time with these low-hanging fruit prosecutions for false statements. what has happened in the trump investigation is the polar opposite of that. i find that really kind of intriguing, like, who makes these decisions about how to enforce 1,001, the false statement statute? the trump investigation, there has been false statement prosecutions left and right. it seems to be the point of the realm. so the inconsistencies in the approach is one that i think that has to get some scrutiny from somewhere. lisa: what does that tell you by the mueller investigation? it tells me the mueller investigation is taking the trump aspect incredibly seriously, that they would use every tool at their disposal to try to get at the bottom line. in the abstract, there s nothing wrong with that concept of really investigating hard and using your legal tools but the comparison is one where i think people can have fair questions. lisa: congressman, rudy giuliani laid out all the information that they have given to the mueller team. something like 30 witnesses, 1.4 million pages of documents. also submitting these written questions. there s been talk about tying a mueller protection built with a mueller protection bill with a spending bill in congress. this is get rid of the idea that president trump has been a full participant in this? first of all, i don t think that is going to be necessary because as republicans, we understand that president trump didn t actually collude with russia, he s innocent of theia allegations that hillary clinton has made against him. if you impede this mueller investigation, there will be a cloud over the investigation, it will effect in 2020 prospects.n you want them to be exonerated. he s got to let the investigation roll forward. to james point, lisa, if you look at prosecutors, the doj, they have partisan positions. they are not unbiased individuals. everyone has a view on donald trump. their position on hillary clinton was, we don t really want to investigate her. we favor her over donald trump. youal take the donald trump investigation and they are putting the screws to him, not just to find out what role russia had in the american election, but they are trying to prosecute donald trump himself, which is a far cry from the original charge that the mueller investigation had, what did russia do, what interest does it have, and who do they partner with? this is an attack group that will try to take on the president and undo the will of the american people from the 2016 election. lisa: is the scope too big for robert mueller? i don t totally accept what was just said. there s a lot of room fort questions about how these a investigations got handled, agent peter strzok s role, some communications were devastating in terms of being politically oriented. at the end of the day, i don t have a complete loss of faith ip mueller, in terms of his integrity. it isr, a case or investigation that s been monitored closely by rod rosenstein. i think he s an honorable guy. at this point, we have to wait for the finish line to see what comes out before we announce it s an attack dog. hold on. i think it s important to note is if you want to have a fair and impartial investigation, you shouldn t build a team of hillary clinton and dnc donors. a lot of investigators, prosecutors whoo don t give mony to republicans or democrats. mr. mueller put a team together of left-wingers who have given money to democrats, there is not doubt an air of partisanship in this investigation, where mueller could have taken a different track where there is great prosecutors, great investigators, who don t give any money to either party and if he had done that, we would have far more faith in the investigation. although some say mueller is a republican, the air of this seems to be left-leaning and anti-trump.he lisa: real quick, is this winding down anytime soon, the mueller investigation? i think so.s i think the whole situation with the president feels a little bit like checking a box, let s get this information, get him committed, not cross-examine him, move on. never change their status as a subject rather than a target. the fact that they are going to sentencingm, on a couple of wees on flynn tells me they are basically done with any cooperation from and they have let some people attrit out of the team. that adds up to something where we are finally at an end game. lisa: a lot of people have their fingers crossed.na [laughs] thank you both so much for joining me tonight and happy thanksgiving. up next, they did it in guatemala and now we are hearing that the massive migrant caravans may be planning to stampede our southern border. thanks to the ninth circuit court, they will get asylum if they make it. that hot debate coming up after the break. stay with us. they make it. that hard to debate coming up after the i am a family man. i am a techie dad. i believe the best technology should feel effortless. like magic. at comcast, it s my job to develop, apps and tools that simplify your experience. my name is mike, i m in product development at comcast. we re working to make things simple, easy and awesome. lisa: welcome back. while many of us are spending thanksgiving with our families, nearly 6,000 members of our armed forces will be meeting the migrant caravan down at the u.s.-mexico border. this, as we learn new dangerous details about a report that human stampede. fox s kristin fisher is here with all the latest. kristin, what is going on? what do we need to know?tt lisa, defense secretary jim mattis says the white house has just given explicit authority to use military troops to protect customer and border protection with force, lethal force if necessary. the secretary insists the troops won t have firearms, only batons and shields. here s a direct quote of how they explained it. if someone is beating on a border patrol men and if we were in a position to do something about it, we could stop them from beating on them and take him over and deliver him to a patrolman who would then arrest him for it. secretary mattis is going to great lengths to say that the u.s.gr military still does not have arrest authority, nor are they doing any law enforcement. so far the missions have been 6,000 active-duty troops, mainly been putting up barbed wire and other barriers along the border and to transport border patrol personnel sizes caravan of migrants continues to head north. c the founder of the aid group angels without borders is telling the telemundo station in san diego that he believes thousands could try to make the jump over the border and a councilman in tijuana told telemundo that would be an immediate provocation to the united states. meanwhile president trump is continuing to claim that there are a lot of criminals in the caravan, we will stop, catch, and detained judicial activism by people that are nothing about the safety of our citizen is putting our country in danger, no good. as of now, more than 3,000 migrants have reached to the border city of tijuana and mexico. lisa: thank you, i appreciate it. joining me now with reaction, ann coulter, conservative commentator and author of resistance is futile. also, allen orr, immigration and civil rights attorney. i want to start with you. what recourse does the trump administration have in dealing with the migrants that are illegally crossing the border while trying to seek asylum? well, i think may be having firearms would be helpful. that was hilarious. what? they are british cops, they don t have guns? do their troops on they have do the troops on the dnc have firearms? this is a little more important korea, ascting south important as that is.s. it s our country. there are a lot of things trump could do if he has to, if he s not going to build a wall, which apparently he isn t. he could go a few yards into mexico, have an emergency .military action there. but i don t think it s going to help with billy clubs. [laughs] lisa: allen so secretary kirstjen nielsen said yesterday that there are 500 criminal in the mix of the migrants as well as gang members. i want to play some sound for you, former i.c.e. director tom homan and get your thoughts on it. take a listen. i was called a fear mongerrer. fortunately i was right. we will talk about more caravans entering illegally, puttingr. their hands in criminal organizations, bankrolling drug cartels who control the corridor was heading to the border. these people are put at risk. women will be raped, people will die, children all drown, people will be misused, as we have seen over and over, how many people p have died at the heads of theseh criminals. lisa: allen, to mr. homan s point, as well as with secretary nielsen laid out, aren t they are real national security concerns and defense concerns at this on the border right now? i don t think there are any more concerns than any other border. every day, hundreds of thousands of individuals apply to enter this country. specifically at the tijuana port, at least 100,000 individuals apply every day. an extra 2,000 or 4,000 united states are available for entry, should not be a problem for the united states. therefore, this whole thing is basically theater, political theater lisa: how so? the caravan has been coming for years. ann has said that. this is the first time i have deployed actually the national guard and the troops of the border, lisa: not the first president to send troops to the border. president obama did that, president george w. bush, president h.w. bush, certainly not the first president to do that. not to send to the border at this level and this number and of this magnitude to address individuals who are coming hered and which i don t even call them a caravan, i called them survivors because they are fleeing for their lives. to f meet people who are fleeing for their lives with guns insteadaw of welcoming them and using the american laws that we ve agreed on from congress to let them apply for asylum, that s not very american. lisa: it s not justig president trump and republicans who have concerns with what is going on. we have the tijuana mayor wearing a hat saying, make tijuana made great again, mexican protesters saying this is our country. what do you make of what allentv just said? that is the proof positive that they are not fleeing for their lives, which is why, for asylum, you either have to apply in your home country or you apply in the first country you come to. all the mexican protesters by the way, i guess it s fun needling the mexicans for being hypocrites on illegal immigration, but i really care what mexico s policy is. this iss our country. our policy should be what donald trump ran on. we are trying to run the country here. it isn t an international lounge at jfk. you have to apply either in the country you are in or the first country you come to.us that is factually not correct. please stop saying that. lisa: allen, why aren t these migrants doing it the right way? why aren t they going to ports of authority? why do you see some of themwh breaking the law and illegally crossing the border if they truly have a credible fear threshold that is being met, why don t they do with the right way? let s correct the record. you can t apply for asylum in your home country. it does not work that way. there is a rule that you can apply to their first country, which we mexico lisa: they are illegally crossing the border. in mexico, over the course of the last couple of the month, they have accepted more immigrants than the last couple of months. more than the united states has. so all those things combined, people fleeing for their lives, coming thousands of miles, they don t know where the port of entry is. if you ve never been to a city before, you don t know where the port is. continually, this administration has made it hard for individuals who do appear at the port.so as you ve seen on tuesday, the president closed down the port for no reason other than fear and then only allowing a couple families at a time. therefore, this concept of them crossing the border illegally or them being illegal or them being illegal aliens where they are not even in a country really, what we stop saying that. the law allows, the constitution allows, through the administration, it does not matter how they enter the a country, between courts, which we heard from the ninth circuit, they are allowed to apply for asylum.co if we want to change that, we should change congress. lisa: the laws are being exploited, we know that is a fact. 8% of these individuals passing their initial threshold with immigration officials and then only 20% are actually granted asylum in immigration court. that is also a fact. i want to get your take, ann, on what chief justice roberts recently said, criticizing president trump, going after the ninth circuit, saying we do not have obama judges or trump judges, bush judges or clinton judges. we have extraordinary group of dedicated judges. your thoughts on that?es i warned the country about justice roberts. i thought he was a mistake. the one thing i will definitelyo give president trump credit for, appointing justices like kavanaugh and not harriet miers and justice roberts. i don t know why i have a lot of complaints with trump. that tweet was absolutely right. i m glad he s appointing judges that are enforcing the law, and, yes, the law is you seek asylum in the first country you get to. you re by definition not fleeing for your life when you re trekking through thousands of miles of other countries and, oh, well, welfare isn t good enough here in mexico. i think i ll keep going. the reason they keep going to the u.s. and the reason it makes a difference, um, where we set up the troops, they should be as i said a few yards into mexico is once a nonmexican steps on u.s. soil we can t turn them away. the idea was to stop human smuggling when in fact it s done exactly the opposite. it s creating human smuggling. mexicans we can turn away at the border if w we catch them, thatw why we wanted a wall. anyone who is a nonmexican who walked through this enormous country, not fleeing for their lives,or looking for better welfare, once they step on u.s. soil, we can t send them home. we have to give them hearings. the hearings go on and on and they just escape into the country and there you are. lisa: thank you, ann,io allen, i appreciate it. coming up, shocking admissions from college student heading fo. the holidays. take a look at this. there s definitely a racial history, a racist history toia thanksgiving. lisa: a panel is here to respond to that, plus, a campus crusade against chick-fil-a after the break. stay tuned. campus crusade against aaa after the brea you think you ve seen everything? let s talk about that when you get here. the united states virgin islands. lisa: we ve heard about the war on christmas. now college students are declaring a war on thanksgiving. a shocking new video from campus reform shows students from the university of oregon saying that the holiday is a racist celebration of ongoing genocide. take a look. there is definitely a racial history a racist history to thanksgiving. are racist aspects of it, definitely. we re celebrating taking land away from the natives. okay, okay pretty racist. lisa: that is not the only schooloe speaking out. daily color went to university university in years with the students had to say. it s a genocidal holiday.t if you think about it, it kind of is because we are celebrating taking over people s lands. i think there is elements of that in the holiday. i would say yes. lisa: here to react to this is charlie kirck, founder of turning point usa, horace cooper, project 21, and cathy areu, the publisher of catalina magazine. hythy, do you agree with those students? is thanksgiving racist? i agree they believe it s racist and there are groups of native americans lisa: why? a movie came out, the addams family movie, it made a pointam that this is a holiday that celebrates the genocide of the native american people. every year since the 70s, there has been a red power movement on alcatraz with native americans fighting thanksgiving, calling it unthanksgiving day. there are a group of people who say it is a racist holiday. lisa: i see you shaking your head, charlie. it there s a lot of intellectual effort to believe that s true. people are not gathering around the dinner table tomorrow thanking and celebrating genocide. thanksgiving is uniquely american holiday because we take pause and we say thank you, god, for the amazing abundance in this country, thanks to their freedoms and liberties that only the system that we enjoy today has made possible. it s a day of gratitude, day of reflection, and this is what i fight every single day on these college campuses, lisa. a you have these group of professor elites that teach such a misrepresentation of american history. they don t teach the founding ideas or history. you have the most luxurious generation in american history that has a high standard of living imaginable, thinking thah thanksgiving is now a racist celebration holiday. complete misrepresentation ofha reality and it s too bad because we have a whole generation of which, i m a member of, that does not understand that we do live in the greatest country.. lisa: horace, what you make of this? i always look at thanksgiving at the day to give thanks, be withu my family, i have a new baby niece, looking forward to spend time with her. what do you make of this? it s really sad when you hear people that live in a country where they are blessed in so many special ways and at the time that we would normally think of as exactly as you said, let s see family, let see our loved ones, let s say take some time and be thankful for the great things that are going on. in fact, it s even a time to reach out to those, who are not doing so well. what it s not a time to do is to which is weird this idea that people are sitting around gloating in some way, that people are wondering about what happened 250, 350 years ago, to which group, and that kind of thing. this is uniquely a time where our country acknowledges how t appreciative we are with the things that have been accomplished in our lives and in our country. this is what thanksgiving is about. lisa: i want to get to another topic about chick-fil-a. i think we can all agree that chick-fil-a has some pretty amazing sandwiches. i m sure you guys agree with that. the students at new jersey s rider university think so, too. they voted to bring the chain to campus, to their school. the school quickly shot down that idea and they said in an email to students that they wanted to promote inclusion for all. chick-fil-a s corporate valueses have not sufficiently progressed enough to align with those of rider. horace, is excluding chick-fil-a really the best way to bring inclusion? absolutely not. in fact, what we are seeing at a university when n it does something like this is that it no longer teaches young people that they need to be understanding and tolerant of different perspectives. they re also saying if you re a young person or even a faculty member who happens, as i do, to enjoy chick-fil-a and the services and great products that they provide, that those people shouldn t get any voice? they shouldn t get any-f expression of the positive feelings that they have about it? it is really, really a narrow-minded active intolerance to say no, we can t have chick-fil-a coming out at this university, all because of a few people, most of them on the faculty, just don t like the particular political views of a few members of the executive board over at chick-fil-a. if america is going to be run like that, then you are going to have to stop shopping at the malls, driving cars, all kinds of things. once we start digging into what the executive board of a given corporation thinks about an issue. lisa: cathy, this is what the students want. the school is essentially denying them their wishes with chick-fil-a. isn t it sort of intolerant to exclude people who share the opinion of chick-fil-a, perhaps? but i think they are trying to keep the peace on their campus and maybe if the lgbt community on their campus is aware that chick-fil-a is on our campus, and chick-fil-a has been quite vocal. the executives there have been quite vocal against the lgbt community, against same-sex marriages. so if they are going to cause protest on the campus, maybe it s best to let chick-fil-a not join their campus, bring another restaurant that is less controversial, and keep the peace, and it will be forgotten and about a month or so and people can enjoy another food from another fast food place. lisa: i want to get charlie in here. isn t inclusion including all? the most intolerant people in the world are liberals that preach tolerance. you can see this in this example. they are upset that chick-fil-a is intolerant, therefore they must be intolerant of chick-fil-a. the real issue here is that the university structure, they hate anything that is rooted in the judeo-christian fabric or tradition that defends western h civilization. even beyond that, chick-fil-a, if you are really worried about tasty sandwiches, waffle fries, being greeted warmly when you walk in, besides that, i don t understand what is so dangerous about chick-fil-a. to the point that cathy made, they are pandering to the activists. they are pandering to a small group of activist students. activists or people? lisa: sorry, cathy. we are running out of time. we ve got to go. thank you all for joining me tonight. when we come back, did you know that butterball has a turkey hotline for your thanksgivingme emergencies? laura and raymond talk with one of those turkey hotline experts coming up next. laura and raymond talk with one of those lisa: the turkey challenge is scaring parents all across the country. kids are asking how to cook a 25-pound turkey in theki microwave. we tested it out, asking one of our producer s mother is what she would do. she said, you can t do that! your grandfather is probably rolling over in his grave. wow. way to take it to the next h level. we have got news for you, though, denise. g butterball says you can microwave a turkey, albeit a devery small one. and they should know that theyou have an entire hotline dedicated to helping frantic scholars fix their turkey troubles. for decades, laura spoke earlier with one of those turkey experts and raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. take a listen. laura: janice, are you at the official turkey headquarters? i m at the official turkey talk line headquarters. laura: okay, so what is the craziest thing someone has tried to get you to fix for them on thanksgiving? when people call in here, for them, it is go time. they are trying to make this turkey, and they are trying to f either avoid a disaster or they already see a disaster coming down the line. our goal here at butterball is to really make it cook like a boss, make you own that turkey. this is going to be fun and good and one of my favorite calls that i took oh, gosh, maybe three or four years ago. she was a new bride and i could barely hear her. i said, can you talk up a little bit? i can t hear you. she said, i have a turkey in the oven but i don t know if it s done. she said, i m calling fromal the hallway closet. i am like, okay. all right. i get this. my mother-in-law, she owns a catering business. oh, wow. i get it. laura: giving a little pressure on people. new brides the first turkey ever made, i remember when i made my first turkey. it was dry as a bone. i wish i had knew you, janice. it looked brown on the outside so that was good. janice, i have a question. are you supposed to put the stuffing inside the turkey before you cook it? a doctor told me, this could be a fast pass to give uncle ted salmonella at the table. is that true? laura: what? that s ridiculous. you can absolutely stop your stuff your turkey. i stuff mine. it comes down to a family tradition. my mom stuffed ours. so i stuff mine. you want to make sure you get a temperature rating on the stuffing of 165 degrees. make sure the bacteria burns off.hi [laughs] to make sure it s good to eat. laura: janice, my mother always made the giblet stuffing. she had the organ grinder, literally. i think it was from the depression era. her mother had it. it survived a flood in connecticut. she would grind those giblets, i was like all you had to see when you are seven or eight is to see the kidney and the heart and they are grinding. i m telling you, that was good. that tasted really good. sweeney todd at the thanksgiving table. laura: does anyone call and about a different type of animal they are cooking? absolutely. laura: a goose or duck or hen or pigeon or seagull? absolutely. we get those calls all the time. i am making a chicken but we hear you re a home economist, so i got a call on how to make meringue. so, yeah, i got all kinds of those calls. morang fomeringue for a lemon p. [laughter] laura: don t you agree that a goose is not easy to cook? they say the goose is cooked but a goose is not easy to cook. it s always greasy. my brother wanted it once a year, the charles dickens christmas,rb we were cursing him out by the end of the year. that goose was a grease ball. not a butterball, a grease ball. not very tasty and the end. let s stick with a butterball turkey. [laughs] janice, when should you cut the bird? it continues to cook up to take it out of the oven, correct? when is the ideal time to cut the turkey? good question. that is one of the questions that comes in on our phone linef a lot. if you let it rest for about 20 minutes, and if it s a bigger turkey, you can let it rest 30, 40 minutes. all the juices will come back together. and then it will easily carve. if you ve ever carved too soon, the meat shreds. let it sit there 20, 30 minutes. you can make your side dishes then. laura: we are out of time but don t you agree to fried turkey, everyone thinks they should fry the turkey, fry the turkey, bury it in the ground. just put the darn thing in the oven. everyone is coming up with different ways to d cook the turkey. but the fried turkey does taste really good! like, everything fried. fried turkey is the best. i could not agree more. if you have any more questions, you can ask alexa now.le you can ask alexa, asked butterball how to fry my turkey. laura: no, we. want to talk to you. we want to talk to you, janice. lisa: if anyone has any trouble tomorrow night, you know who to call. stay with us, laura and raymond are back with their thanksgiving dos and don ts next. and raymond are back with their thanksgiving this isn t just any moving day. this is moving day with the best in-home wifi experience and millions of wifi hotspots to help you stay connected. and this is moving day with reliable service appointments in a two-hour window so you re up and running in no time. show me decorating shows. this is staying connected with xfinity to make moving. simple. easy. awesome. stay connected while you move with the best wifi experience and two-hour appointment windows. click, call or visit a store today. lisa: whether you are cooking the turkey tomorrow are just simply showing up, raymond and laura have got you covered with thanksgiving dos and don ts. take a listen to this.s. i can tell you everything you need to know. te laura: okay. i ve studied this, researched it, and i ve lived through the drama of thanksgivings. trauma of bad thanksgivings! laura: he s the raymond of all trades! what s the biggest don t for this thanksgiving? here is one thing, don t create a family-wide fast where you deprive the people in the family of food all day long until you are ready.y. i m just telling you, ladies, i love you all, men do not like to go all day without eating. if they get angry laura: you do. i do, i admit it. that causes all kinds of problems of the table. if you want a sullen, quiet meal because everyone is carving on the food, i c do that. my advice, put finger sandwiches out, let them eat around 1:00, 2:00, so they are not angry bears. laura: i have a question, who makes finger sandwiches still? that is something my grandmother made. what are we talking about? when you are cooking six or seven courses, buying finger sandwiches is easy. laura: my mother left nuts and stuff out, m&ms a family of squirrels? [laughter] laura: the big old-fashioned cracker, cracking the nuts. we would get into a fight what a thanksgiving you must have had. break out the nutcracker, kids. p laura: my mother would start playing the polish christmas carols. now i actually love them, but as a kid, we would be rocking around no brenda lee at your house. [laughter] laura: i am so sorry. she was so great. it would be like [laughs] like a polish funeral. those hymns are a little dreary, i admit. we got to get our don t cook a turkey if you don t know how to cook a turkey. disaster can ensue and you had a quick don t. laura: don t try a recipe on thanksgiving for the first time. [laughs] it s a terrible thing to do. it s a terrible idea. laura: i had the bright idea of making an apple cranberry pie for thanksgiving. my mother was she was an unbelievable cook but especially at pies. she would be like marie callender. no way to replicate what my mother did. i made this thing, i was rolling it out, rolling it out the thing you don t want to do, you never want to overcook anything, particularly the bird. watch.o look at that. [laughter] it is like the puff of smoke at the end. laura: so dry. i didn t get to finish my story. you can finish that in the book. the other thing you don t want to do is to create moisture. people think, put more grease or olive oil in the pan you cooking the bird in. this never works! [laughs] [laughter] laura: oh, my god. i ve never seen anything quite that bad. but some of these just go up in flames. laura: my mother used to say i always think of her this time of year, i miss her a lot people eat fast and then they just leave the table. i slaved all day with my crippled hands [laughter] pour on the guilt. nothing like layers of guilt on thanksgiving! the other thing i would recommend people do before we get to this next clip, make sure you spread the pain at your holiday table. fthat means, separate the disgruntled members of the family who might divide. put them far away from one another. laura: how about across the country? even better, to separate them.ad you are thinking way ahead. even if you happen to be a volunteer at the macy s thanksgiving day parade, make sure that you have a workout voutine or wear heavyweight or otherwise this can lead to catastrophe. laura: i never was a fan of barney. if one balloon had to go away, that is the one. he slammed into a light pole because the women couldn t hold him down. across seventh avenue. laura: it is a lot of work for people to put on a thanksgiving dinner. there are a lot of people who are just like, you know, i m exhausted because and they just i would rather have someone else do the cooking. a lot of people do go out for out. lisa: we ll be right back. a lot of people do go out for .. that is all the time we have tonight. i m lisa booth in for laura income. have a happy thanksgiving, shannon bream and the fox news at 19 take it from here. shannon: we begin with a fox news alert, breaking news on the southern border, general metis telling the troops to use the full force if necessary to protect customs and border patrol agents. white house chief of staff general john kelly spells out new evidence of real threats. tom homan will be here live to break it down, the story captivating the nation. and unprecedented move john roberts is defending the judicial branch after comments by the president. the controversy stemming from an obama appointed judge s willing to block the president s plan to crack down on migrants
bashed politico for gossip that masquerades as reporting. of one piece, she says this story has not a single name or verifiable source. my dad had a name for junk articles like this. birdcage lining. it s more awkward than fake news but it works. i am awaiting the media outreach. how dare she attacked the press. isn t she aware that she s putting reporters in harm s way? i kid. of course the press will save all that for trump and never shoot inside the tent. aoc is a socialist, putting her smack dab in the middle of their own yurt. i use the word yurt. good for her. see, trump s chief impact is giving voice to the ticked off masses who for so long have put up with half-truths passed off as whole truths. trump is you and me yelling at the tv back when there was such a thing as tv. bashing fake news is now spreading to people like aoc. who should speak up. if she doesn t, if you don t, what happens? then reporters can decide what they want to write first and then find the sources to shape a piece to their liking. germany s most influential newsmagazine had its star reporter just confessed to making up stories for seven years. get this. he was cnn s journalist of the year in 2014. we are living in a simulation. i welcome aoc for joining trump in fighting fake news. pretty soon she will be eating well done steak with ketchup. dana. dana: issue begin? greg: know she eats salmon. dana: have you been watching the videos? greg: i think she has potential for being unoriginal person. even though she s a socialist. i think she is very and in the sense that literally she engages everything. she has an answer. she will talk to people. she will say stupid stuff but she owns it. dana: in this case with the reporters, in my spirits, it s very rare that there is no truth to a story. i m sure she s got a lot of people around her. i m sure there is people speaking on her behalf. maybe they were talking in the hallway and he gets to politico and they read about it. how did that happen? she has to lock that down, and that she doesn t care. she might not. greg: i think everybody cares. here s my theory, jason. welcome to the show. you look great for a grandfather. he is a grandfather. you look younger than me. juan: imagine how i feel about that. greg: you look great as a grandfather too. you look terrible as a grandfather, lisa. where my going? here s my point. people don t realize how biased the media is until they write about them, so when you get an article written about you, you go this didn t happen. trump knows that because he s been in the media forever. aoc gets something written about her. if you ve been the object or subject of a piece, you know. juan: what did he do for a living? jason: i go to washington, d.c., and articles in big publications, they never call you. they never ask a question. suddenly they are the expert. they write all these things about it. i like what donald trump jr. weeded out to ocasio-cortez which said imagine what it s like if they actually hate you. there is a lot of truth to that. it s endless how many things get written about somebody with no sources. the five can i ask you something? do you think it s not true that somebody on their staff so that they were going to try to go after hakeem jeffries. greg: fake news. i m defending her. fake news. lisa: we have seen genuinely fake news with abc s brian ross a story about michael flynn. cnn s story about wikileaks. there are legitimately sometimes these completely no facts at all, completely fake news which president trump has called out. i think one of the best things about this administration, pulling the curtain back in the sense that there s never been objectivity in the media, practically when it pertains to republicans. i m kind of glad president trump is called out and exposed it. now you can make the argument that he s taken it too far. that s completely fair. i m glad he s calling it out. one of my favorite moments with president trump, owner of the first interviews when he took office. david asked him about the women s march. he was like, you know, march for life is coming up. he never paid attention to it. you don t cover it. he should have seen his face. he s not used to republicans calling him out. reporters aren t used to be called out on it. i appreciate that about president trump. putting that out me open is healthy and good for the country. greg: juan, obviously you are an award-winning journalist. you can answer this better than anybody. inaccurate news prospers. if it matches the assumptions of its peers. it could be on the right or left. the german writer, the pieces had pretty much matched the story lines they wanted. they didn t bother to question it. it s about stories that are almost too good to be true that people get away with. juan: what i think it s let me say we live in two errors here. the arrow where everything was in fragmented if you go to your media bubble to get your news and you want you want your opinion is affirmed. your pre-existing opinion affirmed so you go to places that you think will agree with you. in the prior world, there were stories. janet cooke. jason blair and people like that, they made up stories. they made up stories. i think this guy fits into that mode, very young, very ambitious. fast rising star. dana: will why not just write fiction? greg: he was. [laughter] dana: write a novel or write short stories. greg: because he gotten so much so esteemed so quickly, he felt pressure to keep improving. juan: he s a lying dog. the thing about is it that it becomes in the moment where everyone is in the media bubble, becomes politicized. der a lot of people on te right were salivating when you go to a lot of websites today, depending on your political orientation. you have to stop and think is it real? is it true? greg: i think that s healthy. juan: what i would call a gatekeeper function we could say for example jason was complaining about the washington post. the washington post is not going away tomorrow. they have to protect their brand. what jason calls and complains or writes a letter, they do respond. lisa: you see stories like like remember the nikki haley story with the curtains. nikki haley said her staff told them this is the previous administration. they ran the story anyway. a lot of times you have media reporters that don t care particular wanted paint for said administration in a bad light or republicans. that bias does exist. dana: i think they are different things. it s different from what aoc is complaining about. if she s concerned about it, she needs to get a handle on the people around her. she has to make sure she has people she trusts that are going to speak on her behalf. the editors of the piece said we have three sources. i don t think they are all lying. greg: i do. i m defending her. dana: i m not not defending her. greg: why do you hate her? i don t like unnamed sources. i feel like who could it be? dana: let me give you an example. three months ago i got a call from somebody, a friend close to somebody in the white house. i check it with somebody else in the white house. they say you can take this to the bank. this is true. so i say it. the on the record spokesperson says that s not the case. okay, if you think there s people in your building aren t telling a different story coming wrong. 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believe that lindsey graham would be against saving soldier lives and billions of $$$. senator mike lee backing the decision. speaker one of my colleagues called it an obama-like decision. i couldn t disagree more. this is the opposite of an obama decision. obama got us involved. trump is taking us out. congress never declared war or authorize the use of military force in syria. we shouldn t be there. dana: i was going to call you congressman. i could call you grandfather. i could call you my friend. jason, one of the things is president trump did campaign on a pope when he became president, he sent troops. he changed the rules of engagement and he kicked isis s rear end. greg: watch your mouth. dana: pretty low cost high reward win for him and i think it caught people by surprise. jason: i believe in what the president is doing. i believe if congress wants to do more than just write letters, they should declare war. if lindsey graham believes it is a war, then they should do that and get past the declaration of war. without that, i see no clear and present danger to the united states. i want the president to have clear flexibility to use the forces of the military. no doubt the world is safer wherever our military is but the one thing that never gets done, afghanistan and here, what does victory actually look like? for our troops to come home. that i think has to be done and i m with the president on this. let the rest of the world step up and let the bad guys continue to kill the bad guys. dana: i knew this was coming. in my ear just now the producer telling me jennifer griffin, a reporter at fox news, reporting president trump is planning to announce a significant drawdown of troops from afghanistan. south korea next? greg: may be. i think everybody including graham and our allies and the people even on this network are overdoing the hysteria. let s look at the guy we are talking about, donald trump. his goal was to crush isis. he even suggested killing their families. that s kind of extreme. he hired mad dog matters. mattis. he has gone on about building up the military. i think there is something else going on here. there is another plan. on top of that, i m optimistic about this. i am like you, jason. as a plan behind this strategy. this is part of a larger puzzle. plus it s only 2,000 troops. they are easy going out and they are just as easy coming back in, right? if you need them back in there. if ice has pops up again, you whack-a-mole. jason: go with everything. fight to win. the united states can do whatever it wants to go with everything and knock the living greg: watch it. you are mormon. lisa: i am conflicted on this. someone like senator lindsey graham, i would ask him, what does victory look like, as you pointed out. my understanding was the mandate was to destroy isis. we have largely done then. although there is a concern about prematurely declaring war, or victory over a terrorist group. we have seen presidents make this mistake in the past. president obama said al qaeda was on the run and then benghazi happen. if it s not isis, we are fighting al-shabaab in somalia. fighting in yemen. the problem with prematurely declaring victory s ideology continues to live on and that s a broader problem. but there s also the concern that we are leaving a vacuum there as well for state actors like iran and russia and potentially terrorists as well. i don t really know what the answer is. seems like no one has one. seems like no one has any good answers which i imagine is why president trump decided to pull troops out. greg: i think he has the answer but he can t tell us. exactly what he did with isis. i can t tell you what i m going to do. why would i? juan: then what did he do? greg: he decimated them. he crushed them. juan: you talk to the people in the pentagon, they would say no. there still is a presence. greg: it s been decimated. juan: it is lower. here s the thing. when you said this about why doesn t congress declare war, i ve been on this bandwagon forever. dana: i am against that. juan: when obama had a redline, they said go ahead. obama said have a vote. dana: no, but no. obama wanted to limit himself. he wanted to limit the commander in chief. yes, he did. republicans had known. jason: he should have done it in libya. he should have never gone into libya without declaring war. juan: congress, because they are afraid of actually saying this is our war, refused to do it. they have been doing this for decades. jason: both parties. i totally agree. juan: the second thing is he ignored the advice coming from the defense department. dana: so did obama. juan: no. dana: he did. juan: fine. i don t know what what about-ism has to do with it. here s the thing, i think, at least i think you re right on it. this is nonstate actors. these are terrorists. it s not about a parade at the end of the day where everyone is marching to a confetti parade. you are destabilizing the middle east by allowing syrian forces, bashar al-assad s forces to gain strength under the support of iran and russia. they do not have our interests at heart. dana: we don t have time for the answer. juan: if you have terrorists fomenting there in the middle east, guess where they show up? at our doorstep. greg: i wouldn t mind letting the russians kill some terrorists. if they are not that good at it, we will come back. juan: what if they support them, greg? greg: they have their own issues with radical islam. dana: big interviews coming up tonight on fox news. bret baier s exclusive sit down with ryan zinke. followed by senator susan collins on the story with martha mccalla. heartburn and gas? fight both fast tums chewy bites with gas relief all in one relief of heartburn and gas tum tum tum tums tums chewy bites with gas relief he eats a bowl of hammers at every meal he holds your house in the palm of his hand he s your home and auto man big jim, he s got you covered great big jim, there ain t no 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recently said that mattis was like a democrat. now you have him, the president defying mattis suggestions with regard to pulling the troops out of syria. jason: the country will owe a lot to general mattis. four decades of service to the country in the marines. in afghanistan, iraq. he will be remember for a long and storied career. if there is one great pick i think the president made early on in his cabinet it was general mattis. on both sides of the aisle, so much respect for this man and what he s done. one of the quotes i recently read from him, i won t get the quote exactly right but he was basically saying engage your brain before you engage your guns. for a military leader to think like that, talk like that, and to be able to back it up, it s inspirational. there s a lot to learn from this man and we ve got to think him thank him for his service. juan: general perino, what do you think? dana: i am no general at all. i can t hold a candle to him. general mattis was able to fulfill president trump s direction when he asked for troops to go to the border for support down there. he did that and pushback on media criticism or should say democratic criticism. he was willing to do that and he went to the mat for the president. i think the white house is going to have once again a big nomination fight on their hands. not a fight, but it will be an issue. now they have the ag at department of justice and dod. i would say something about this. it s been rumored for a while and the demise of jim mattis have been rumored. you could reported every week, somebody said he was going to be out the door. but i will say if you think back to the obama administration, everyone who was on the national security team for president obama, on the left and wrote their books, every single one of them all said the president did not listen to us on syria. he didn t listen to us. he didn t take our advice. but they stayed. obviously this case, general mattis is saying okay. if you re not going to listen to me and i can t be part of this and i can t be part of it, i m going to have to go. i admire that. juan: we have john roberts. greg: i love john. juan: john, did you hear that? greg loves you. feel good this christmas season. john, what are you hearing? this is something, as dana annual event saying, it s been rumored for quite a while. seem to gain a lot of momentum in recent weeks when the president referred to james mattis as something of a democrat. you could sort of tell that the writing was on the wall. there was going to be a change at some point. a lot of people are going to look at this and be very dismayed because they really believe james mattis with his hand on the tiller at the pentagon was a real kind of moderating influence, very, very professional influence. there are not a lot of people who are going to say bad things about james mattis, particularly his tenure there at the helm of the pentagon. on the civilian side. he had to get that waiver because he hadn t been retired long enough to take over a civilian job at the pentagon. i think it was the sort of case where the president at the very beginning was all about jim mattis, calling him mad dog, one of my generals. they can recent months, there s been a little bit of a parting of ways on a number of issues. the president seemed to indicate that mattis might not be hanging around for too much longer. now we learn that at the end of february, he s going to be departing the pentagon. have you read the tweet that the president sent out? juan: go ahead if you have it. we haven t. we have it. general jim mattis will be retiring, with distinction, at the end of february, after having served my administration as secretary of defense for the past two years. during jim s tenure, tremendous progress has been made, especially with respect to the purchase of new fighting equipment. general mattis was a great help to me in getting allies and other countries to pay their share of military obligations. a new secretary of defense will be named shortly. i greatly thank jim for his service! certainly mattis is going out on top here. unlike some of the other people who have departed the administration, either last year or in recent weeks. nikki haley was one who got an oval office and offered a lot of people still scratching their heads over how that went down. the president clearly happy with mattis though i think again a little bit of a difference of opinion over the past few month months. i was not surprised to get this tweet. i think that a lot of people were probably thinking that this was something that was going to happen. again, i think there s a lot of people in this nation somewhat troubled over the fact that mattis is leaving. juan: the president ignored mattis suggestion as to who would be the next chairman of the joint chiefs. the question that i am hearing around is what happened to my generals, which the way the president who went to a military prep school set i m going to bring in these generals. you see right now john kelly is gone. mattis gone. what s going on? do you have that sense that something is different? i think the president still likes his generals. he just likes different generals now that he liked back at the beginning the administration. he likes general mark millet, the army chief of staff who we named at the army-navy game a couple is go to succeed general joad dunford is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. i was told that was a brush back pitched in mattis who was looking at another naming the successor to joad dunford, that transition doesn t happen until october 1. it was another sign the president might be trying to box out some of mattis choices. jason: how closely should we read the departure to the action in syria? is pulling out of syria a direct relation to what s happening with mattis? it might be coincidental more than anything, jason. i don t know for sure. one thing i do know is despite all the advice the president gets, there s one person who makes the decision. even though he was being advised by many, many people and we have heard the aftermath of that particularly from senator lindsey graham who just had a much longer tweet thread that i ve ever seen president trump put out there on twitter saying why we shouldn t pull out of syria despite all the advice against it. the president decided it s not doing us any good. this crescent of influence that iran was trying to establish from iran to the mediterranean has been accomplished despite the fact that u.s. forces are there. they are a continued risk and not really making that much of a difference on the ground. in terms of iran s influence, russia s influence and what s going on with bashar al-assad. you might as well pull them out. that decision was made literally against the advice of almost everyone that the president consulted about it. juan: john roberts at the white house. thank you, john. now we go from the white house to the pentagon jennifer griffi jennifer griffin. juan, we just received a letter, two-page letter signed by secretary mattis to the president dated today, december 20, in which he describes the reasons for why he is retiring as the 26th defense secretary. i will read the key paragraph. the news was broken in a tweet from the president. secretary mattis says because you have the right to have a secretary of defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, he is referring to the issue of alliances and the u.s. role in the world and the role of the u.s. military in the world. i believe it s right for me to step down from my position. the end date for my tenure is february 28, 2019. a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the department s interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include, and he goes on. the point here is, juan, that this was not something that secretary mattis did lightly. i ve been told by sources here in the pentagon amidst the rumors that mattis was leaving during the past year, that he would not leave unless he was pushed out. this was not a decision he takes lightly. he clearly has been at odds with the president over a number of issues, especially if you look in the last few days, the issue of pulling all u.s. troops out of syria. that is something that mattis opposed. it is something that all of the top leaders here in the pentagon as well as u.s. central command generals opposed. i was told by a very well-placed source here in the pentagon that morale has never been lower at meetings here at the pentagon of the top brass in the last few days to discuss the pullout of troops from syria as well as now we are learning moments ago that the president is considering pulling out a significant number, thousands of u.s. troops from afghanistan. i am told that will begin in january. more than 3,000 troops that will be coming out. about 15,000 on the ground there. mattis influence has waned in recent months. we have seen it. we have seen him spend less time with the president. you heard the president himself undermined secretary mattis in that interview with 60 minutes, when he said he was a democrat. that was the first sign that things were really very tense. then there was the decision by chief of staff john kelly to leave his position. kelly had been an ally of secretary mattis and also of general joe dunford. all three of them marines. when the president took the unprecedented decision to announce the successor to general joe dunford who was not supposed to leave as chairman of the joint chiefs until next october, when he announced that at the army-navy game, that was something that also raised a lot of eyebrows in the building because there was a feeling that by announcing that general mark milley would be taking over as chairman of the joint chiefs, the effect fact i would be undermining general dunford in that position in that general dunford, having been a longtime friend of john kelly s, that that was somehow related to perhaps kelly leaving his position. juan: jennifer, we have a question. dana: it s a quick one. i m curious because it s great reporting the context. then the next question in washington is always who next? could it be mick mulvaney? chief of staff, omb director. i kid. any clues as to who? i think there have been some names floated in the past. senator tom cotton is a name that has appeared at times. there are, i think there will be a number of people considered for this position. it is very clear that with mick mulvaney coming in as chief of staff, he has long wanted to curtail the defense budget withh he thinks is much too high. you are the president indicate he wanted to cut the defense budget. he s been all over the place in terms of where the real number for the 2020 defense budget will be. the notion of pulling troops out and saving money by pulling troops from overseas positions, i think you are clearly already seen the influence of mick mulvaney on the pentagon. i think many of these senior leaders who are leaving, mattis being the top of the chain, felt that they were going to be asked to do things that they don t believe in. i don t think any of the military brass here believes sending troops down to the border, active-duty troops, was the correct use of military funds or those active-duty troops. it was legally very complicated for them to figure out what they could legally do down of the border. there have been a number of areas where, starting really from the time that president trump took office and asked secretary mattis to take over here at the pentagon, they disagreed on the issue of torture. you heard secretary mattis stand up in the early days and say that he explained to the president that torture doesn t work. and then i was on the first trip that secretary mattis took overseas to nato headquarters and at that time, he was it was a delicate balance between things that president trump was saying that was undermining his ability to talk to nato allies and deliver a message that was seen as very hostile to nato allies. there s been this very difficult balance. secretary mattis did not believe that the u.s., when negotiating with north korea, should be halting military exercises with south korea. juan: jennifer, let me go back to something that you read from the letter that struck me. it said you would be better served, mr. president, by someone better aligned with your views. i thought it would be we had our problems but thank you, sir for the opportunity to serve. it s not that kind of letter. that is not the mood here in the pentagon right now. i can tell you, juan, that the mood here at the pentagon at the senior level is one of great frustration. that their views are not being considered. that the interagency process is not being followed. that the is tweeting out policy rather than going through the normal process of sending over orders as commander in chief. it s a very disorganized process in which they are getting word from the white house as to how to proceed and move troops around. juan: let me ask some of my colleagues, beginning with greg gutfeld. greg: thank you. i don t really have a question but i do have a comment. maybe you could comment on my comments. i think a lot of it has to do with trump s work style. trump is extremely exhausting, right? two years working for trump is probably eight years for normal people. i have worked in the company and i know that when you have there are certain types of boss styles that are jarring. i think that might be this is a guy that was retired who came back in and achieved in two years quite a lot. if you look at isis and the rebuilt military in china, look at north korea. he accomplished a hell of a lot into years. but it s exhausting and maybe it s like hey, it was a good ride. i don t need this. juan: what do you think, jennifer? i must say that s not exactly the secretary mattis that i know. from those who worked very closely with him, he is not somebody who gets tired. he spends very little time sleeping. he has been in war. he has led marines in combat. he s not exhaustive. but he does, and you see it in this letter of resignation and announcing his retirement, he says that he s not aligned with many of the president s policie policies. juan: let me ask lisa. lisa: i have more of a comment obviously with christmas coming up. if you talk to people in the military, you do all the time, they love general medicine because he cares about them and he felt they cared about them and he served alongside them. there was a story when he was a brigadier general, he let a young marine go home and spend christmas with his family. he was married and has kids. i think it s that kind of attitude and the way he treated the troops of why he earned so much respect among his fellow marines and other military men and women. i can say he is beloved among the military that i talk to every day, not just here in the pentagon but out in the field. marines, soldiers, airmen. this is an iconic military leader. this is somebody who is still, at the last army-navy game, he got a rousing standing ovation and applause when his name was announced in that stadium. this is not somebody who is seen as having served in the people think okay, he s past his prime and ready to retire. this is somebody who is still an icon in the u.s. military. juan: jennifer, thank you very much for joining us. that was terrific reporting. jennifer griffin at the pentagon. we are joined now by a bret baier, chief political correspondent in washington. the politics of this are going to have some strong repercussions. bret, what do you see? bret: a couple things. this, like the syria announcement about troop drawdown, came as a surprise to allies. they are just starting to get this word via twitter and other places. i think the key line in secretary mattis resignation letter is this: because you have the right to have a secretary of defense whose views are better aligned with yours, i believe it is right for me to step down from my position. the end date for my ten euros february 28, 2019. history will record that this happened one day after the announcement of the syria withdrawal, that the pentagon was largely caught off guard by. it happened on the same day of the wall street journal reported and we confirmed that there is a plan to have a significant drawdown of troops in afghanistan. yes, the president campaign on that and had talked about up with the timing of it will obviously be questioned. about whether this was precipitating factor for secretary mattis leaving. juan: bret, the intriguing point here is that you have lots of trump supporters who are big military supporters. we just heard from jennifer jennifer griffin that this sequence of events is not being viewed positively by our military. do you anticipate there will be republican pushback of the sort that we ve seen from lindsey graham from on the syria withd. bret: they were comfortable with secretary mattis in that position. heading in, there was kind of this troika of secretary mattis, then secretary of state tillerson, and general john kelly is white house chief of staff. largely seen as a stabilizing force. now all three of them will be gone. secretary mattis the latest, as of the end of february. i think you look to who is going to fill those shoes. secretary mattis was well respected around the world primarily he did not always ci time with this president and told him so. and the president told mattis so. the 60 minutes interview saying that he may be a democrat, answering one question. i asked secretary mattis about his plans and whether he was going to step down. he said he was not going to tell me. i was going to be the last to know and what do you know, i was the last to know. he felt it was his service to the country, his duty to serve the president at the president s pleasure. he talked about a lot of important things happening around the world that he is integral in. it is going to be a challenge. there is obviously a right seat, left seat here for time for someone to be chosen and get up to speed. juan: bret, jason chaffetz has a question. obviously the person goes to who are the names that might be out there. i think one of the problems and challenges the problem is going to have is mattis was beloved on both sides of the aisle, house and senate. they were able to who can fill those shoes and have that same type of gravitas? bret: they are big shoes to fill. there are names floated around washington. it had been rumored, it s why i asked the question at the reagan defense forum, that he was considering it and that possibly he might leave. i agree with you that it s going to be tough to fill. the other thing to point out is that the president came out at the army-navy game and made the early announcement that he was going to replace the chairman of the joint chiefs. general dunford with army general milley, also very well respected in all kinds of circles. announcing it early. that transition is happening as well next year. i think president trump has talked to jack keane a lot. he has talked to a number of other people on capitol hill who are possible. lindsey graham has expressed privately that he would love to be defense secretary. you know, the parlor game begins now. it s really going to be a matter of what the reaction is around the world. juan: i think the confirmation also was going to be very sticky in a year in which there s lots of political turbulence in the forecast for president trump. bret: the confirmation of bill barr, then you re going to have this defense secretary confirmation. we don t know what else. dana: the good news is for the administration on the nominations front and confirmations, that they won though senate seats for the republicans. the president will probably be able to get those done pretty quickly. bret: exactly. dana: but it does take some time. bret: not only that, they also changed a couple of those republican seats that may have been no votes or maybe votes. dana: also do you hear there are other cabinet resignations coming soon or firings or whatever we are calling them? bret: there s always a circle out there about who s going next and what s going to happen. after any midterm election, there is usually a changeover, as you well know. we assumed that come the beginning of the year, there might be some change. i talked to interior secretary ryan zinke. we are not going to run that tonight because there s just a little breaking news. we will run it tomorrow. that position will be open as well. juan: bret, thanks so much. we really appreciate the political perspective. there s more information now, from the white house. john roberts is there with the latest. john. i think too bret was reading from that letter that secretary mattis submitted to the president and some of the key elements of that in terms of having the right to have a secretary whose views are better aligned with yours. if we look at some of the other paragraphs in this letter, we get an idea where those views may have been divergent. when secretary mattis writes one core belief i ve always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and cooperative system of alliances and partnerships. while the u.s. remains the indispensable nation and the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. president trump has been very critical of a number of our allies. germany in particular. in his dealings with nato countries. browbeating them to come up to their commitment of 2% for nato. more so than that, sometimes being somewhat denigrating to some of our allies. also, mattis writes similarly, i believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly with ours. it s clear that china and russia want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model, getting veto authority over other nations economic, diplomatic, and security decisions to promote their interests at the expense of their neighbors. it s another area of diversions. many believe president trump has not been tough enough on russia, particularly on this issue of crimea. trump will be the first want to tell you he has been tougher on russia than anyone. there s a couple areas where i see their lines of delineation between mattis thinking and the presidents inking. that probably added to the friction that mattis felt was going to a point where it was time for them to leave on for the president to get somebody else in that position whose views were more clearly aligned with those of the president. juan: john, terrific job. thanks again. for all of you tuning in, what we know now is that james mattis, the defense secretary, is leaving. he will be leaving in february. this news came in the form of a tweet from president trump a day after the president announced the withdrawal of troops from syria, and we ve had reporting and confirmed yard fox news that troops are going to be withdrawing from afghanistan. please stay with us for more. the five will be right back. the greatest wish of all is one that brings us together. the final days of wish list are here. sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down, zero due at signing, and a complimentary first month s payment. only at your lincoln dealer. oh! oh! ozempic®! 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(vo) ask your healthcare provider if ozempic® is right for you. greg: fox news alert what are you doing? were doing a fox news alert for one more thing this is a holiday crew. let s do another hour on staffing changes, go ahead. juan: it s a marshmallow world in the winter. what if it s also an ice cream winter wonderland? that s what happened to me today, last week i said this on the show. greg: if you are invited to someone s house for dinner, what do you bring? juan: ice cream. a lot of people don t have let s go back to james mattis here, let s talk about what s going on with the general. greg: i m going to tell you what s going on i am not a fan of arm chairing staff changes. i think it staffing turbulence is far preferable to actual turbulence, i don t see this as political turbulence, the world is more peaceful and more prosperous in the last couple of years and it has been so i take this with just another staff change, he did great work for 2 years. i just gave up a really good one more thing. juan: will get to it tomorrow. lisa: i think one president trump people were nervous, what is he going to be like? and secretary mattis was one of the generals, he is amazing. he s done terrific work, i admire him for saying in his letter that we have these differences, you deserve somebody who is more in-line with your thinking and he s willing to step down for that. there s not enough people in washington who stick up for their principles. juan: that line clearly is capturing attention in washington, he spoke about divergent views. dana: that s okay. greg: i ve been fired three times, i disagreed with every boss i ever had. jesse: the show isn t over yet. juan: normal politics would be i m glad to serve, you re a great president but he didn t say that. jason: i have the greatest respect for this man and i think he has won the hearts and minds of people not only in the united states but our military partners across the world. the president has his hands full because not only does he have an attorney general who has to get through a confirmation fight, now a defense secretary as a republican i m glad that the senate is still in republican hands and they can get through these fights but these people have to run the gauntlet i hope the president has somebody who was ready to go. there are good members in the senate, i don t think lindsey graham wants to do this, i think he wants to be the chairman of the judiciary committee. tom cotton would be a strong choice, a real hawk and somebody who served ably in the military. there are people in the house who also have done that, that s where we got mike pompeo. i think the president respects people in the military and there s a lot of good people to choose from. lisa: on a serious note, we ve already established republicans are going to have a 53 seat majority in the senate, president trump will see these nominees through. i think with the withdrawal from syria and this news from north korea saying they aren t going to denuclearize and some of these other things that are coming down the pipeline from a national security standpoint, it does complicate the landscape or at least gives more attention to who he ends up nominating and also general matt is stepping aside as well. juan: what do you think of the question of republicans and the president he s a military guy and now you see someone who is widely expected by the military saying i m gone. lisa: i think president trump respects the military and i don t think it devalues that because general gl mattis is stepping aside. he earned it so much respect from both the left and the right as well as military men and women so it s sad to see him go, who doesn t respect him? greg: set your dvrs, never miss an episode of the five . special report is up next. bret: this is a fox news alert. there s plenty of breaking news to tell you about tonight, we are less than 30 hours away from a clock literally striking midnight on part of the federal budget. a stopgap spending bill that does not include money for the president s border wall appears to be in danger tonight. meanwhile the commander in chief is considering another major military withdrawal and is now looking for resumes for the top job. defense secretary james mattis is retiring, the president tweeting that out as his records h
making its way towards mexico. the battle rages on in washington, d.c. and democrats reveal the top pick for who they want to see take on trump in 2020. also new york giant fans are suing for the right to curse out players. yeah, you heard that right. but first, a desperate manhunt is under way. a california police officer killed during a routine traffic stop gunned down in cold blood by a suspect who police say is in the united states illegally. the suspect is in our country illegally. he doesn t belong here. he s a criminal. we will find him. we will arrest him. and we will bring him to justice. lisa: that sheriff will join me in a moment but first, jonathan hunt is live in our west coast newsroom with the late-breaking details. jonathan? good evening, lisa. 33-year-old singh was gunned down at 1:00 a.m. on wednesday in the small town of newnan in northern california. his 5-month-old, he ll never hear talk. he ll never see his son walk. he doesn t get to hold that little boy, hug his wife, say good night, any more, because a coward took his life. on wednesday, officer singh pulled over a gray pickup truck that had no license plate. minutes later he radioed shots fired, i have been hit the suspect was seen on security camera footage buying beer at a convenience store shortly before the shooting. he s not yet been formally named but officials say they know who he is. they believe he s still in the area. they know he s armed and dangerous, and they revealed he s an illegal immigrant. that prompted a tweet from president trump highlighting the manhunt for the suspect and saying, time to get tough on border security. build the wall! officer singh was a legal immigrant from fuji and apparently took extra english lessons to make himself better understood over the police radio. he was truly just a human being, an american patriot. ron was not born in america. ron was born in fuji. he came to this country with one purpose and that was to serve this country. the chief and others who work with singh say he loved being a police officer. he loved his family, and he was living the american dream. lisa? lisa: thank you, jonathan. and singh s chief randy richardson breaking down earlier today while speaking about the murdered officer. watch this. you have to understand this was not supposed to happen here. i ve been to too many of these funerals, and i never thought, ever, that i would have to be doing this. i do not want to be here today. i would give anything not to. i did not know christmas morning at 4:00 in the morning, when i said goodbye to him, and sent him off to his family, that it would be the last time that i saw him. my department is hurting. we re struggling through this. so please be in mind when you see them. that s it s hard for them. we re a family. we re not an agency. we re a family. lisa: joining me now exclusively is stanislav sheriff. hello, lisa. thank you for having me on the show. lisa: our hearts break for you community. i don t know how anyone could watch that without breaking down themselves in tears. my heart goes out to you. randy said it was a close-knit community at the newman police department. you can obviously see the love and admiration that he had for officer singh. i want to start out with his legacy, honoring him and what he meant to you and the newman police department. can you tell me about corporal singh? well, i can tell you that the sheriff s office is the lead investigative agency, and we re fully supporting the newman police department, so even though i m the sheriff, chief richardson is really trying to keep his team together and we re there to support him. officer singh is the shining example of what immigration in america should be. this is a young man who immigrated here legally. it was his dream to come to america. it was his dream to become a police officer. he worked hard to achieve that goal and unfortunately he sacrificed his life trying to defend and protect his community. newman is very small. it s almost like mayberry. these critical incidents don t occur and for this law enforcement agency, in the history of its existence, this is their first line of duty death. lisa: sir, he leaves behind a wife and 5-month-old child. can you tell us a little bit about his family? he s got a wonderful family. i think what chief richardson shared with everyone, your viewers and the nation and even here locally, speaks to the character of officer singh and how much he loved his family. i think the photograph speaks volumes to his devotion not only to his family but his community. lisa: just tell us more about his dedication on the job. i read that he drove 2 1/2 hours to attend the police academy which he put himself through. he took lessons to learn how to speak english better so he could move up the ladder. can you tell us a little bit more about the dedication? he did. it s an amazing story. he didn t start with the newman police department. he was a cadet with the turlock police department. he worked very hard. he was a reserve with the merced county sheriff s office. he pursued his dream and to get through the academy he was willing to make that commute every day, to complete that training program, making him eligible to be a peace officer in the state of california. and yes, he knew that he was difficult to understand because of his accent. and again, he threw everything into language classes, english is not his first language. and even i remember what he sounded like on the radio, and we all kind of all chuckled about that accent and how hard he worked to ensure that his language got better, his english skills got better, because again, he wanted so badly to be a police officer, and he worked diligently to achieve his goal. lisa: where does this manhunt stand now? so we have identified a suspect, although we re not naming that suspect, primarily because we have a very specific protocol that we use to make positive identifications, and as you know, people use multiple aliases. oftentimes people share similar or same names, and we re not going to make a mistake, so we re not ready to actually name the suspect, but we have multiple teams utilizing our federal law enforcement partners, state and local partners. we have multiple teams out chasing down multiple investigative leads. we have a hotline set up and we re working nonstop, we re not sparing any expense, to hunt this suspect down and bring him to justice. lisa: are californians in danger right now? no, they aren t. yes, this suspect is armed and dangerous, but we believe he s on the run. we have no evidence whatsoever to believe he s still a credible threat, although i suspect when law enforcement moves in he might be. but we encourage the public, there is plenty of information out there, if you see him or you think you see this suspect, do not approach him. don t engage him. don t try to stop him. call 911 and let us come intercept him, because we want to get him into custody safely without anybody else being injured or killed as a result of this investigation or this incident. lisa: do we know if the suspect has a criminal background? not yet because again, we re working on that positive identification, and so without completing that protocol, we don t want to misidentify anybody so we re going to make absolutely sure that we have an identification. really, the best way to do that is fingerprints and we won t have that until we get him in custody. lisa: i want to ask you about something you brought up at the press conference. you made a distinction that corporal singh came here. he came here for the sole purpose of being a police officer and serving this country and community. you drew a distinction between the suspected killer who came here, broke the law and came here illegally. why was it important for to you draw that distinction? because i want the nation to know, i want your viewers to know, that officer singh really should be the focus of this investigation and his sacrifice, but i also want everybody to know that immigration is good for america. if done legally. illegal immigration doesn t serve our communities, especially criminals who victim ties and exploit our communities. whether you hate the president or love the president, border security goes hand-in-hand with national security. the safety of our communities, and public safety. we need to know who is in our communities that shouldn t be. we should be focusing on criminal activity without political interference. and there is only one with entity that can fix immigration, even though there are laws on the books and we should stand by the rule of law and we should be enforcing those laws, congress is the only entity that can fix this problem, and until they decide to dee polarize themselves and focus on what s in the best interest of the people you can t establish a system of immigration that lacks bureaucracy, hopefully, and allows people a path to become good citizens and contribute to what makes america great. officer singh, he is the absolute poster child for why immigration works if done legally, and properly. lisa: should more be done at the southern border to prevent this illegal activity? well, i think there is, at least from what i know, there is a lot of great work going on, on our southern border. i think it s inexcusable that we continue to attack the men and women who are there, either as members of u.s. customs, the border patrol, ice, or other federal law enforcement partners. stop demonizing and villainizing them. it s time to come together and fix the problem and, yes, border security needs to be a priority and it s not just the immigration issue, lisa. we have cartels that are trafficking narcotics, weapons, little girls, we have a problem with human trafficking. we need to secure our borders and we need to give the men and women who protect us, our federal law enforcement partners, the ability to do their job without political interference. lisa: california has come under fire for being a sanctuary state. has that hamstrung your ability to do your job in any way? oh, certainly it has. first, and as i told the president of the united states when i sat next to him, i don t think we should be subjected to political interference. i understand why the state legislature and politicians have decided to create these laws because they believe that people need to be protected. law enforcement is here to protect people. but you can t provide sanctuary for criminals. all that does is silence the voices of our victims, and i certainly didn t sign up to do that. remember that our partners with ice, great, great law enforcement partners, they are not in my county sweeping through churches and schools and convenience stores. they are only interested in the fugitives and the criminals. why are we providing sanctuary for people who victimize and exploit the weak and the defenseless? we should not be doing that. lisa: before i let you go is there any place where viewers and people at home can help the singh family? absolutely. if you go to our facebook page, just search for the stann stannisslaw www.stanislaussworn.com deputies association, that s the only official site where people can absolutely donate and help this family. understanding that we re going to help this family. there are benefits available to them, and my office, sheriff s office and the men and women of the stannisslauss s office, officer singh will never be forgotten. lisa: we honor his legacy tonight. our thoughts and prayers are with you. thank you. lisa: joining us, i m going to start with you, so president trump tweeted the out tonight about this. this is the reason why we need the wall. do you agree? absolutely. quite frankly, this is a senseless death that would have been prevented had we had good border security. had we prevented this individual from entering the united states, he never would have been there to have killed corporal singh. it s absolutely inexcusable. it s on the books. it should be enforced. lisa: jose, do you agree with that? look, up from the very beginning and i m going to be very clear and first and foremost, my heart breaks for that family. lisa: absolutely. any undocumented immigrant in this country, who has committed high crimes should be deported. any undocumented immigrants who have committed high crimes, i ve got to say it again because sometimes my fellow republicans don t understand it, if you re a high criminal and undocumented you should be deported. lisa: but coming into the country illegally is also a crime, just to be clear. that s why i m saying high crimes. i m talking about murder and rape and things as such. so if we want to come to a real solution to this, the sheriff said it, he said, we want to make sure that we can find the criminals within communities across this country k. i ve got a solution for the president. let s pass comprehensive immigration reform. if we pass comprehensive immigration reform. lisa: but how would that address the border? we ll legalize millions of good serving immigrants in this country who want to pledge allegiance. lisa: how does that stop the illegality? again, because you allow yourself, once you get a majority of immigrants into this country who are be people, you take them out of the shadows, it allows for law enforcement to actually look for the bad ones. lisa: that doesn t prevent people from coming here illegally, sir? this is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. lisa: one at a time. the question was addressed to me, art. lisa: hold on a second, art, we ll get to you. jose, i m letting you finish. a majority of illegal immigration and undocumented immigration is because of overstayed visas. they are not because of the border. by the way, you want to talk about the borders, we should maybe build a fence around canada where a lot of illegal immigration. lisa: speaking of fences, hold on a second, speaking of fences, democrats have supported fencing along the southern border in the past. so clearly both sides see the need to have some sort of physical structure at the southern board but now all of a sudden, they are broken down in any sort of agreement over border funding. art, what do you make of that? quite frankly, it just underscores the politics of the entire thing. hillary clinton, chuck schumer, barack obama, joe biden, all voted in favor of the fence act 2006 and yet today you can t find any of these people who are talking in favor of president trump s board wall. why? because it was bill then and political now. i have to go back to what jose said. if jose wants to get rid of the criminals, we need to get rid of the sanctuary policies. you heard the sheriff. the sanctuary policies are keeping the criminals on the streets. those criminals go back and they prey on the immigrant communities that jose speaks for. we want to get those criminals off the street, unshackle let them go to the jails, we want to allow them to find the criminals, apprehend them and remove them from the united states. there is no high crimes in the immigration they are crimes of moral person two. those are all offenses that we scream for. if you get to the united states legally and you have one of those crimes, you re not allowed in. if you enter illegally and you have one of those crimes we re never going to know you had one of those crimes before and you ll probably reoffend. they found in 2011 that the average criminal alien commits or gets arrested seven times. criminal aliens commit crimes. jose is obviously with me on this, that we want to do away with sanctuary cities, that we want to do away with sanctuary policies and get the criminals off the streets, and, chuck schumer back in 2006 said we should build the wall. i think we should build the wall and he s a hundred percent behind president trump. lisa: jose, why don t democrats get on-board with something they have previously supported, they were also willing to give president trump $25 billion in exchange for daca. they supported a physical structure at the southern border. what is the holdup in in my perception and i think a lot of people s perception, it s politics. it s about denying president trump that campaign promise that he made to americans. why the issue now? lets go back to 2013. democrats passed comprehensive immigration reform in the senate and what happened in the republican controlled house, they denied it. so, art wants to talk about democrats, not wanting to do away with immigration. that s a lie. we ve been trying to do immigration since day one. president obama tried to pass comprehensive immigration reform and it was the republicans who time and time again tried to block us from doing this. and talking about the budget, let s just be very clear, we gave the republicans 1.3 billion last year, and they have only used under 10% of that money. so now they are asking for $5 billion. we re telling you, 24 next year, we ll give you $1.3 billion again but the president is obsessed with this wall. for folks watching us right now there is a wall with mexico already. we don t need a wall. we have high-tech technology to get the criminals away from the border. the president is trying to make this issue bigger than it truly is. i m with you with art that we must get the criminals out of this country. let s deport them but you know this very well, majority of undocumented population in this country are good people. and the solution that i keep lisa: jose, jose, i still have yet to hear you address the illegality at the southern border. we estimate 22 million illegal immigrants in the country now. neither side of the aisle can figure out what to do with those illegal immigrants. why would we not want to some the flow of the illegality at the southern border adding to the problems no one can solve. unfortunately we ve run out of time but thank you for joining me tonight. appreciate it. thank you. lisa: democrats aren t going to like the results of a new poll on 2020. wait until you hear who voters want to see run. plus the shutdown showdown is about to enter its seventh day and congress appears in no hurry to take any action. a live report from washington, d.c. next. so long shut down or short shutdown, from today? you know, in the last 48 hours, i would say the needle has moved towards a very long shutdown. lisa: it s an embarrassment any time the government shuts down, this being no exception. we ll have to work at it until we get to an agreement or the majority say yes. but, and i think we have that, until the president, you know, went off his meds and who the hell knows what happened. lisa: that was jim mcgovern. the house has said there won t be any votes this week the senate is also quiet. president trump is not tweeting, this isn t about the wall. everybody knows that a wall will work perfectly. in israel the wall works 99.9%. this is only about the dems not letting donald trump and the republicans have a win. they may have the 10 senate votes but we have the issue. border security 2020. rich is live in washington, d.c. tonight with all the late-breaking details. rich what do we need to know? rich: the house and senate quickly gavld in and out. there is no indication this partial shutdown is ending. chairman mark meadows has said the needle has moved towards a long shutdown and democrats and republicans talk past one another. the white house and democrats are billions of dollars apart on border security and wall funding. the white house says the administration extended an offer to democrats five days ago and has received no response. in a statement white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders says, the only rational conclusion is that the democrat party is openly choosing to keep our government closed to protect illegal immigrants rather than the american people. house democrats say they have offered republicans three funding bill options. all including money for increased border security. though not a wall. and they say they will pass a bill to reopen the government after they assume control of the house next week. in a statement, a spokesperson for house democratic leader nancy pelosi says, with the house majority, democrats will act swiftly to end the trump shutdown, and will fight for a strategic robust national security policy including strong and smart border security, and strong support for our service members and veterans. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says if there is a breakthrough in negotiations, senators will have 24 hours to return and vote. though with little movement towards a compromise the senate is adjourned until next week. lisa. lisa: thank you, rich. appreciate it. get ready for the 2020 presidential race to heat up next week. there are nearly three dozen democrats reportedly considering a run but according to a new poll democratic and independent voters don t want any of them on the ticket. respondents over whelmingly picked the option someone entirely new out of a list of 11 option that is included biden, sanders, and o roark. notably hillary clinton came any last. here is the political power panel, former 2016 trump campaign manager. publisher of real clear politics, and doug schoen, a fox news contributor. hi, guys. i m going to start with you, doug, primarily because you re in the studios and also my friend. so the way i see this, i find it interesting, because you ve got someone new, 59%, and beneath that biden and you ve got sanders. so no offense to biden or sanders, they are not young or new. that s correct. is there some sort of generational divide going on right now? there are two things, i think younger people certainly want new faces but i think with these numbers, what they say more generally, is, while democrats have a hierarchy based on the past, they are very much open to a new face, a new candidate, and a new approach. lisa: tom, i want to go to you. one thing i found interesting, you ve got harris, o roark, booker, all of these people that are essentially something new yet voters, 59%, wanted someone that was on that list. does that tell you anything about the chances of o roark, harris or booker? yeah, it tells me the race is wide open. we could be talking about someone next year that s not on the radar screen yet. as you mention three dozen candidates potentially running this race will be the field will be huge, it will wild and woolly and democrats will sort out this idea of do they want someone old, young, white male, person of color, female, all of that stuff will get fleshed out in a series of debates. there will be 12 starting in june. it will be a crazy race and fun to watch. you re no stranger to crowded primaries. president trump was in one and was able to break through. do you see any democrats being able to break through this crowded primary, or do you think we might be surprised by who it is? well, look, i think this poll reminds me of the old television movie, vote none of the above. the democrats don t have a candidate right now. you have to remember, you ve got the billionaire in michael bloomberg who has already pledged to spend at lowest a hundred million to 30 terribly run. the left wing 269s in both camilla harris and polka hontes. the party is so fractured they are run to the left as far as they can and in order for them to win the primary what they need to do is do what donald trump did which is to embrace issues that middle america wants which is board security, renegotiating our 2r5id deals and bringing jobs back and right now, the democrats have no plan, and so their candidates are at a loss right now to see what issues they are going to run on. lisa: doug, i think corey makes an interesting point, part of hillary s problem, i think personally, is that democrats, they ignored these working class voters. absolutely. lisa: for eight years upped president obama. do you think democrats realize that? i think they do now. they didn t during the campaign. you know, the middle, western middle american states like pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, they all were up for grabs in ways that i don t think most people thought. corey is right. we need a jobs program for democrats. we need antic empowerment program and we need a program for small business that s inclusive and broad-based. we just can t run on the same old i would say that you right mroipted out cost hillary the election. lisa: tom, when do you think we ll start seeing some of these candidates throw their hat in the ring and make some of these announcements, and we can start to see the field a little bit clearer? well, we ve already had a couple of announcements of people who are not running. we ll see more of that. but certainly candidates are plotting, building their infrastructure, building their organization, the folks who are seriously looking at this and they should start announcing in the spring, i would think, pretty soon, because the debates will start happening pretty darn soon. in june, i think they are supposed to start. you ll have a number of candidates that will announce pretty shortly upcoming, and the race the invisible primary has already been going on for a few months and is well under way. lisa: elizabeth warren is on this list, 27%. is she going to be able to recover from that embarrassing essentially she went through great lengths, campaign video, essentially to tell us that she s less native american than the average white american. do you think she can recover from that? you know, i don t think so, and look, i grew up in massachusetts so i say this with the most respect. everybody who gets elected in massachusetts thinks they should be the president going back to michael dukakis, and now elizabeth warren and mitt romney, look, i don t know what s in the water down there. i got out and moved to new hampshire so i m not sure but every elected official except deval patrick who has ever been in politics in massachusetts thinks they should be president. her rollout was so bad, she stepped on the toes of joe biden, when she rolled out that she s not actually a native american. i don t see how she s going to have a path forward. if she thinks she s going to carry massachusetts and win she has another thing coming. lisa: doug, any final thoughts? i have been doing this 40 other years. i ve worked from city council up to presidents. every official in their heart of hearts thinks they should be president. that s just the truth. it is. it s true. it s really true. lisa: thank you. nearly a year after the parkland shooting, they are finally calling for the removal of broward county sheriff. next, report that changed everything, plus one of his deputies is here to explain why his firing is way overdue. i think he should resign. i think he needs to be accountable for the policy that he put in place that failed on february 14. d patriotic educatin is part of the curriculum we are hard work u and we are working for our american dream kayla: our dad was in the hospital. josh: because of smoking. but we still had to have a cigarette. had to. kayla: do you know how hard it is to smoke in a hospital? by the time we could, we were like. what are we doing? kayla: it was time for nicodermcq. the nicodermcq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. and doubles your chances of quitting. nicodermcq. you know why, we know how. i gave him a gun, i gave him a badge. i gave him the training. if he didn t have the heart to go in that s not my responsibility. lisa: that was embattled broward county sheriff israel just two weeks after the shooting at parkland high school, refusing to take any responsibility in the breakdown that could have ultimately saved lives. despite calls for resignation including governor rick scott, sheriff israel is still on the job. now, one of florida s biggest newspapers admits that it made a mistake and says the sheriff needs to go. the sun sentinel editorial writing, the sheriff fails to accept responsibility for things that have gone wrong instead suggesting that things couldn t have been better. if he fails to acknowledge that mistakes were made not only by individuals but by his command, how can we expect a better outcome next time? jonathan hunt is live in our west coast newsroom with the story. jonathan? jonathan: lisa, scott israel has been fighting for his job ever since the february mass shooting of majory stoneman douglas high school. the biggest issue beyond his self-praise, the witness statements that highlighted the contrast between broward sheriff s deputy s actions as the shooting unfolded and those of coral springs police officers. a state appointed safety commission said sheriff s deputies, some of them at least, appeared to take their time 39-ing on vests when they arrived at the school and took cover behind their vehicles rather than immediately entering the school to confront the shooter. police officers according to the commission were far more proactive. the commission found that eight sheriff s deputies heard gunfire, but did not immediately enter the building. one of those with the school resource officer deputy scott peterson. he, of course, was seen on video appearing to hide behind a wall. he was suspended at the time, pending an investigation, and later resigned. in a letter to the safety commission on wednesday, sheriff israel highlighted policy changes instigated since the shooting, but again defended his department s policies at the time of the shooting, saying it is the strong belief of this sheriff that no policies, no words would have led to deputy peterson going into that building. now the influential sun sentinel newspaper which initially defended the sheriff is calling for his removal from office. something parents of some of those who died that february day have long demanded. now, incoming republican governor ron desantis, who takes office on january 8, could suspend sheriff israel once the safety commission report is formally published. the sheriff told the miami harold this week he has no plans to resign. lisa? lisa: thank you, jonathan. joining me now is a man who has been calling for sheriff israel s resignation from the beginning. jeff bell, president of the broward sheriff s office deputy s association. jeff, thank you for being with us, sir. good evening. . lisa: i want to talk to you about the shift by the sun sentinel. why is that important? that is huge down here in south florida. the sun sentinel has always been known as a left leaning liberal inspect who has defended the sheriff at all costs. almost, a romantic relationship with the sheriff s office over the past couple of years so for them to come out and admit they made a mistake is huge. if you remember back in april of this year 85% of our membership voted that we had no confidence in the sheriff and called for his removal. that action drew sharp criticism from the sun sentinel and they wrote a two-page article against the union saying we were overreacting and trying to extort the sheriff for a better contract over the parkland massacre, which was the farthermost from the truth. somebody in the last eight months at the sun sentinel finally found the courage and grew a backbone and unleashed their investigative reporter to go out and find the truth. eight months later after our no vote of confidence for scott israel the sun sentinel, largest supporter of sheriff israel has finally reached the same conclusion, that this union and the men and women of the broward sheriff s office reached eight months earlier, which is sheriff israel needs to be removed from the broward sheriff s office immediately. lisa: sir what goes through your mind when you hear that patterson did not go in, that these other deputies took their time putting on their vests and did not go in what goes through your mind? you feel disappointed that we didn t make the right decisions that day. but outside of the 4r5u6 community you can understand the anger from the community. within our own department, we understand why failures at this level took place on this day. when you have a sheriff who, on november 4, 2013, intervened himself into our active shooter policy, and took out the word will respond and replaced it himself with may respond, it causes a disconcern, of what action they should take and when he publicly announce that is we re no longer a law enforcement agency, and we re no a community-based law enforcement agency, and we ll help out the community rather than 9:00 to fight crime in broward county we re taking the wrong approach and stripping the money away from our training budget so we spend more time in classrooms learning about politeness and policing and we only spend four hours a year, can you believe that four hours a year practicing with our guns on a gun range that we lease from the county, the nation s largest fully accredited sheriff s office, which is the broward sheriff s office does not even have their own gun range or training facility to practice for these events, and i put the full blame on sheriff scott israel for his intervention into these policies and for failure to demand from the broward county commission a proper training facility so we can better prepare for the next incident which is just waiting for us around the corner. lisa: sir what do you know about the commission report? any key findings that viewers at home need to know about? well that will be made public on january 1. we ve made recommendations, governor-elect ron desantis that we need to take better courses of actions with our juvenile justice system here in the state of florida. i can tell you this. on again 14, 2018, nikolas cruz and nikolas cruz only went into the school and pulled that trigger which cost 17 people their lives but the failed programs such as the promise program and the lack of training, and the policies that this sheriff hasiated within broward county, did not create nikolas cruz but it certainly created an environment which allowed somebody like nikolas cruz to flourish in, and we re seeing the results of the poor policies and the promise program taking effect where kids today are no longer held responsible for the actions that they take within the community. lisa: these families certainly deserve accountability and one of the issues and frustration for so many americans is the fact that sheriff israel refuses, continuously refuses to take any responsibility and it really does start at the top, as you laid out. how does it make you feel when you hear sheriff israel just refuse to take any responsibility for his actions or his failed leadership? there is one word to describe the sheriff. narcissistic. this sheriff believes that nothing can be his fault and everything he does is purely for political gain. this man is appointed leadership within the broward county sheriff s office that s incompetence at best. his crony that is 450ez brought into this ragtcy, a perfect example, jordan, captain of park land on the day of the massacre. what were her qualifications? that she was a diversity pick from sheriff israel? or that she was competent, she wasra great leader? no, she was not. and that was proven because she was overwhelmed within the very first minute of the shooting. that captain would have been overwhelmed with a simple traffic stop and that was the sheriff s number one pick to go into parkland as the captain in that district. lisa: do you expect the incoming governor, governor-elect de saptis to take action regarding israel? i ve been hoping for the past 10 motion that governor scott would take action. he s failed to do so. it s not an easy decision but it s the right decision. i have made my opinions very clear to governor-elect ron desantis. he knows my opinions on the sheriff and he knows what needs to be done to fix broward county, not just within the sheriff s department but there are other areas that need to be fixed, so hopefully, with the report that comes out on january 1, and then what s expected to be the fdle report shortly after that, he ll have enough ammunition to finally pull the trigger and remove sheriff israel as the sheriff of broward county and replace him with somebody who is competent enough to be the leader of the largest fully accredited sheriff s office in the nation. lisa: thank you, sir, our hearts are still with those families. it s a heartbreaking story. thank you for being with us. a due process decision that could have a major impact on college campuses across the country plus football fans sue for the right to swear, and the tsa getting rid of certain dogs because of their ears. my panel on that next. stay tuned. lisa: yesterday we brought you the story of the century old world war i cross memorial in maryland. watch. in 1985, the cross was declared to be in honor of all veterans of all wars. all veterans were not christians. all veterans include muslims, hindus, buddhists, jews, atheists, everybody, and we want to honor them all. that s the whole point of our case. it gives the impression that no jews are welcomed in the city of bladensburg. it presents them as though it were a christian enclave. lisa: the trump administration is getting involved filing a friend of the court brief urging the supreme court to protect the memorial. the court is expected to hear oral arguments on it early next year. now, a settlement that could have an impact on universities across america the university of cincinnati reportedly paying out $47,000 to a male student who says he didn t get a fair shot to defend himself against sexual assault allegations by another student. the lawsuit claiming the school was motivated to favor the accusing female over the accused male. joining me now is eric radio host and author of donald drains the swamp. and kathy a liberal analyst. thank you both for joining me. a lot of college campuses have been under scrutiny with denying due process rights to the accused particularly under the title 10 regulations with the obama administration. is that what we re seeing in this instance? of course, the funny thing is, they aren t just doing it on campus. they are also not even teaching due process on these campuses. in other words, even if you decide this is a private club, we can do what we want you have to teaches your students how america works. in america do we not only have the presumption of innocence but we re a nation of laws. that s what keeps us from descending into a french revolution style bloodbath and when you base everything on feels which is what you re seeing in some of these me, too, situations, no one can win so it s absolutely important that they get this right. i m encouraged that this happened. i think it will also slow people down who are simply crazy in thinking i can make an accusation and i won t get in trouble. this woman, you know, seems to be a little crazy, when you read the details. it s pretty weird. lisa: kathy, one of my concerns with the me, too, movement, we saw teen columnists, emily, she had said not too long ago who cares if innocent men get caught up in this movement. it s for the better good, essentially i m paraphrasing here but isn t that a dangerous assumption to be made? yeah, but the me, too, movement has everyone having the conversation which is so important. i mean lisa: you are being falsely accused? nine out of 10 rape victims don t speak up which is sad so the fact that we re having these conversations and the me, too, movement has people vetting, he s innocent thankfully because people are having the right conversations, because we re having the investigations, so i think the due process happened because the me, too, movement exists. he was let go. lisa: you agree with that? then you admit that you stabbed me in the green room. you admit. investigate it and see if these true. people don t believe me and it s not right. as a victim would you have spoken up. it s such a sensitive thing but in america we have to be really, really careful because our latter are in the right place. we want justice, i have a wife, i have a daughterk i have a mother. the idea that men, that pigs like harvey weinstein are behaving like this it makes me and most american men sick and angry so i think it s right we re talking about this. sgloufshgs victims do not come forward. nine out of 10 victims still do not speak up so now they are finally speaking up and one person does not speak for all the victims out there. lisa: but it s also important, i have three brothers so i think anyone watching at home with a husband or sons is concerned about having due process to the accused and making sure we get it right. but it s very, very important. we re going to switch gears to something maybe a little more all right. so everyone has got a right to curse, right? i don t know. two new york giants fans are suing because they say their free speech was violated when they were arrested for cursing and flipping off players. the lawsuit claiming a police officer warned the pair to stop after they were heard screaming you bleeping can t say it on the air. then ordered them to be ejected. somehow this hit a major escalation. as you see here one of the plaintiffs went over the railing, where he says he was tasered. there is a lot town pack here. were their rights violated? . i mean, dotive right to say t do i have the right to say the n word in public? obviously not the childish idea that anyone can say anything, it s so stupid. every american knows if you want to exist in a several society you can t say whatever you like. if someone uses the f word or n daughter in front of my daughter or wife i ll be right in their face. i don t think you have the right to wear a shirt that uses those words in public so the fact that these men want to drag everybody down, at a sporting event you should be able to take little kids and if you have these jug heads who can t control their mouths, they are immature, they aren t men, they are boys, they are children, they should have their mouths washed out with soap at the 50 yard line at halftime and maybe branded with a scarlet f on their forehead. i had my mouthwashed out with soap when i was younger. it was not pleasant. kathy it s actually disorderly conduct. two states, florida, texas, it is actually against the rights. you re not allowed, it s a misdemeanor. it s against the law to actually say these things so people think they have the right, in america, it s not a right. pop stars and singers, it it s vulgar. these guys should be made an example of and should not get away with this. lisa: we ll end on some agreement. kum bah yah. we ll be right back with the last bite. stay tuned. lisa: it s time for the last bite. this a little fan is so excited to get a brand-new jersey for christmas, and he thinks cam newton, nfl star, actually sent it to him. can imagine! thank you, gammage and! go panthers? go panthers! you don t like the eagles? no! lisa: the thing is, the jersey wasn t really from a newton, but it all worked out anyway. after the video was posted, newton saw it and is hooking you up with anyone. merry christmas, enjoy your new signed cam newton jersey. that s all the time we have for tonight. shannon bream and the fox news @ night team takes it from here. shannon: thank you, looking for a suspect believed to be armed and dangerous, a manhunt is underway in california for a man authorities say is an illegal immigrant. now wanted in connection with the murder of a police officer. a shot while working overtime on christmas night. of the president weighing in on the tragedy amid a personal government shutdown over borderl funding. the president s comments and the latest on the search for the suspected copula coming up. later, is president trump s serious strategy dividing the g.o.p.? has the president lost the support of an important part of his base? believe it or not, some pendants are claiming there is not only a growing case for impeachment but for the senate to actually remove the president. our panel will debate that.
but first, a subcommittee chairman of the powerful house oversight committee telling fox news there may be no evidence that the clinton foundation is engaged in illegal activity. congressman mark meadows setting a decembers have it on my fifth hearing on the hill to see where they stand for the play to play allegations and say there may be some whistle-blowers willing to testify as well. fox treatment allergens reporter catherine herridge is here and has the story. tonight house republicans are trying to finish up their investigative work before they lose control of house committees, including the clinton center controversial charity. why don t you give back the money? i think it would be a great gesture. on the campaign trail, candidate trump had harsh words for the cleanser. foundation. it s a criminal enterprise, saudi arabia giving $25 million, qatar, all of these countries. writing to congress last burn, then attorney general jeff suppressions tapped john hebert to probe the foundation, which took tens of million dollars from foreign interests while clinton was secretary of state under president obama. the foundation set up by clinton and her husband has consistentl, house republicans are now calling for john huber to testify about his findings. in a phone interview, congressman mark meadows said the hearing will be public. under fifth, the subcommittee on government operations will be holding a hearing where we will request mr. john huber or his designee to testify along with a couple of whistle-blowers based on previous conversations with the department of justice weeks ago. they indicated that mr. huber was making progress. meadows, chairman of the freedom caucus, said congressional investigators also had new records about the foundation s work. there is a question of impropriety as it relates to the content foundation, whether it is quid pro quo, whether it is improper use or of charitable giving. along with the foundation, huber is investigating allegations of surveilling foreign abuses, carter page, the justice department inspector general is also investigating alleged surveillance abuses, as well as media leaks by the doj and fbi to include former fbi director james comey and has memos about his meetings with the president. fox news reached out to the u.s. attorney s office in utah and the clinton foundation but there was no immediate response. with less than six weeks before the democratic over the house, the huber the huber testimony may be the last chance for republicans to get foundation evidence into the congressional record. lisa? lisa: thank you, catherine. joining me now, corey lewandowski, trump s 2016 campaign manager and coauthor of the new book, trump i m a out next tuesday. and former senior advisor to the hillary clinton campaign and the ceo of blue of blueprint strategy. thank you both for being with me tonight. hello, lisa. lisa: i want to start with you, antoine. if there is potentially new information, it is the oversight committee s job to investigate. why wouldn t they look into those? lisa, this is a prime example why the republicans lost control of the congress, just a few weeks ago. they have investigated themselves into the minority. here we are once again wasting taxpayers dollars on something that does not exist. they spent so much time focusing on hillary clinton that they have not spent time putting forth a policy agenda that would move this country forward and the voters responded the way they did on tuesday night. lisa: cory, what do you make it would antoine drozd said? it s the truth! is in at the oversight committee s job to conduct oversight? of course, laura. if new information is available, mark meadows and his committee have an obligation to the american taxpayers and positive you to do their job, to investigate whatever that may lead. we all know the clinton foundation was not on the up and up. my only disappointment was of the congress has taken this long to continue the investigation, that it wasn t done for the justice department prior to now. there is no way that the individuals or those countries who from overseas that gave tens of million dollars to access to the clinton foundation, whether as secretary of state or after, doing so out of their good well. what you have seen now, the growth of foundation is not receiving those types of donations anymore. clearly, it was a pay to play scam and now there should be a much larger investigation to bring it to light because the clintons have always operated, it s one set of rules for them, them, lisa: i want to ask you that. i want to follow up on what s bho said. if we have seen a drop off on donations, if donations weren t meant to give access to hillary clinton, why the drop off? maybe people have moved on, and maybe the clintons have moved on. corey just swallow the biggest bull of hypocrisy ever seen. here we have the republican majority in the president trying to strike fear in the american people about investigations, after investigations, if the democratic over the congress, and now you are sitting here tonight, corey. it s okay, congress has a responsibility to investigate. which when i said? you can t have your cake and eat it, too, my friend. this is the last straw by the republicans to drive a wedge into the real issues in this country and separate democrats from republicans and that is where this is all about. lisa: antjuan, i m pretty sure congress has an obligation to investigate and they should investigate clinton and james comey and andrew mccabe lisa: hold on, antjuan. let s go into the emails! lisa: antjuan, hold on! ivanka trump did not bleach but 33,000 emails on a private server or have classified emails on her own server and say, whoops, i didn t know that as a secretary of state or former u.s. senator that i can to score classified information on my private server. she never did that. let s investigate hillary clinton for putting on classified information onto huma abedin s server, of which her ex-husband had access to, the fbi knew about it, and did not prosecute any of them, but actually gave them leniency because they claimed they had attorney-client privilege, cheryl miles, huma abedin, and hillary clinton. lisa: antjuan, because none of this concern you? one of the things that we know that the doj s looking into, potential pay to play. the associated press recorded about clinton donors getting access to hillary clinton s with meetings. you know, a prince went to to e clinton foundation to try to get access to hillary clinton. when he couldn t get to her via the state department. you look at things like the international business times reporting that arms sales increased to going to foundation donors. how does none of this concern you? lisa, what do you and corey and i both know, all three of us now, is that if there was a wrongdoing by the clintons, it would have been headlined, front and center, all the way through every news outlet lisa: for the doj is looking into it. the investigation would have been the top front and center of his network and every other right-wing network you can imagine. you and i both know that. there is no there there. i think we are going to find this out. this is the last straw by the republicans will make their way through the majority and they try to raise an issue where there is no issue. lisa: corey, we don t know that he had, do we? the doj is looking into this. we they would have settled it by now. lisa: they are looking into it, antjuan. corey? we don t know at the bottom line is but we do know that the inspector general is still looking at the crooked members of the fbi, whether that is james comey or mccabe here we go. [laughs] that s a fact. the ig is looking into those people. the deputy director of the fbi has been referred to a criminal referral for lying under oath on three separate occasions. we know there is a part of the clinton team, bruce ohr and nellie ohr, part of fusion gps, all tied to the clinton cabal, and we are going to find out once and for all what they did to try to subvert the will of the american people and if they were involved in any way, shape, or form, falsifying a fisa application just by american citizens because of if donald trump wasn t elected, we would not know any of those things. corey, bless your heart. you ve done a good job of repeating lisa: antjuan, you ve done a good job of repeating talking points but you know and i know that is a different type of reality. that is fiction, not fact. lisa: all right, we are going to end happy thanksgiving. happy thanksgiving to you, my friend. lisa: happy thanksgiving, gentlemen. i appreciate you joining me tonight. we are also learning more tonight about what special counsel robert mueller asked in that list of questions to president trump on what they could indicate about the status of the rapture investigation. kevin corke us with the president tonight in palm beach with the story. kevin corke kevin? now we wait. that that is the white house is feeling as they await the special counsel s next move and the ongoing russia probe, hoping obviously that sooner than later, this will all come to a head. as you know, the president submitted answers to a number of questions issued by the mueller team yesterday. among them, we have learned according to axios, questions about his knowledge of the infamous trump tower meeting involving donald trump jr. a classic what did he know and when did he know what scenario that obviously can trip you up. you have to play that went straight down the middle. there was also at least one question, by the way, we are told, lisa, but russian hacking. after the president made we ll just call it a quip about getting the russians to look for secretary hillary clinton s missing emails during the campaign. also, we have learned that white house canceled donald mcgahn implored the president do not pressure the department of justice to investigate secretary clinton and james comey because it might be seen as obstructing justice during the ongoing russia probe, which the president says quite forcefully he did not do, nor did he collude with the kremlin about which rudy giuliani told axios, i don t think they speaking of the mueller team of any evidence of collusion at any time. i think their obstruction case, as a legal matter, doesn t his goodness. clearly, a very strong opinion and a very strong argument made by the former mayor of new york city, but clearly his opinion, lisa, is not the one that matters the most. that distinction belongs, of course, to the special counsel himself, robert mueller. lisa? lisa: thank you, kevin. joining me right now, wisconsin republican and former prosecutor for the doj. jim, i will start with you. do you believe that the questions are a win for president trump and show there is not a serious threat with the president? why do you say that? i ve been involved in criminal prosecution or criminal defense for a long time and if your client is told that i have a take-home exam, that is a great moment for you to ask any college kid, would you rather have a take-home exam or the one of the class, they will usually want to take home. this is one where you can cuddle up with the lawyers, come up with answers, not worry too much about her. i can t imagine anyone we ll let that piece of paper go back to mueller with any sort of glaring confessions on it. basically be done, being the gun, no follow up pretty simple test. lisa: congressman, let s talk about that. what do you make of these mueller questions. apparently the two main focuses that kevin laid out are the dnc hacking as well as the trump tower meeting. do you see any legal liability for president trump with those? the president has been clear he has not colluded with russia. i always had, president trump had a hard enough time colluded with the republican party, let alone russia. i wonder why we are going through an investigation right now on donald trump with russia you and i both know this, lisa, and the viewers know this this investigation started on the dirty hillary goodson dossier where she colluded through fusion gps with none other than russians that started this whole investigation. i think donald trump ran a great campaign. he campaigned in places like wisconsin or pennsylvania and won them. the remnants of the dirty dossier in the hillary clinton campaign are coming by way of the mueller investigation. donald trump is not going to set himself a perjury trap and is going to answer the questions truthfully in regards to the questions that were submitted to them by the mueller team. lisa: jim, speaking of hillary clinton, so michael flynn s sentencing is coming up in prayer. use the inconsistencies in the way that michael flynn has been treated and the way that the hillary clinton team work? it s broader than flynn. if you remember from the inspector general report and some of the information that came out about the hillary clinton probe, it became very clear that james comey was overtly describing this investigation as one where they were not going to use false statement charges against any of the potential witnesses or targets. they scored off and said, and front of a number of fbi personnel, he made the comment about, we won t waste our time with these low-hanging fruit prosecutions for false statements. what has happened in the trump investigation is the polar opposite of that. i find that really kind of intriguing, like, who makes these decisions about how to enforce 1,001, the false statement statute? the trump investigation, there has been false statement prosecutions left and right. it seems to be the point of the realm. so the inconsistencies in the approach is one that i think that has to get some scrutiny from semi. lisa: what does that tell you by the mueller investigation? it tells me the mueller investigation is taking the trump aspect incredibly seriously, that they would use every tool at their disposal to try to get out of the bottom line. the abstract, there s nothing wrong with that concept of really investigating hard and using your legal tools but the comparison is one where i think people can have fair questions. lisa: congressman, rudy giuliani laid out all the information that they have given to the me too. something like 30 witnesses, 1.4 million pages of documents. also submitting these written questions. there s been talk about tying a mueller protection built with a spending bill. this is get rid of the idea that president trump has been a full participant in this? first of all, i don t think that is going to be necessary because as republicans, we understand that president trump did and actually collude with russia, he s innocent of the allegations that hillary clinton has made against him. if you impede this be 21 investigation, there will be a d over the investigation, it will effect in 2020 prospects. you want them to be exonerated. he s got to let the investigation roll forward. to james point, lisa, if you look at prosecutors, the doj, they have partisan positions. they are not unbiased individuals. everyone has a view on donald trump. their position on hillary clinton was, we don t really want to investigate her. we favor her over donald trump. you take the donald trump investigation and they are putting the screws to him, not just to find out what role russia had in the american election, but they are trying to prosecute donald trump himself, which is a far cry from the original charge that the mueller investigation had, what did russia do, what interest is attached, and who do they partner with? this is an attack group that will try to take on the president had on do the will of the american people from the 2016 election. lisa: is the scope to beg for robert mueller? i don t totally accept what was just said. there s a lot of room for questions about how these investigations got handled, agent peter strzok s role, some communications were devastating in terms of being politically oriented. at the end of the day, i don t have a complete loss of faith in mueller, in terms of his integrity. i think he s her investigation has been monitored closely by rod rosenstein. i think is an honorable guy. at this point, we have to wait for the finish line to see what comes out before we announce it s an attack dog. hold on. i think it s important to note is if you want to have a fair and impartial investigation, you shouldn t build a team of hillary clinton and dnc donors. there s a lot of investigators, prosecutors who don t give money to republican s are democrats. mr. mueller put a team together of left-wingers who have given money to democrats, there is no doubt an air of partisanship in this investigation, where mueller could have taken a different track where there is great prosecutors, great investigators, who don t give any money to either party and if he had done that, we would have far more faith in the investigation. some say mueller is a republican, the heir of this seems to be left-leaning and anti-trump. lisa: real quick, is this winding down anytime soon, the mueller investigation? i think so. i think the whole situation with the president feels a little bit like checking a box, let s get this information, get them committed, not cross-examine him, move on. never change their status as a subject rather than a target. the fact that they are going to sentencing on a couple of weeks on flynn tells me they are basically done with any cop drama cooperation from mma bloods they let some people attract out of the tea party that to some thing where we are finally at an end game. lisa: a lot of people have their fingers crossed. [laughs] think you both so much for joining me tonight and happy thanksgiving. up next, if they did it in guatemala and now we are hearind caravans may be planning to stampede our southern border. thanks to the ninth circuit court, they will get asylum if they make it. that hard to debate coming up after the break. stay with us. lisa: welcome back. well, many of us are spending thing sitting with our families, nearly 6,000 members of our arme meeting the migrant caravan down at the u.s.-mexico border. this, as we learn new dangerous details about a report that human stampede. fox s kristin fisher is here with all the latest. kristin, what is going on? what do we need to know? lisa, defense secretary jim mattis says the white house has just given explicit authority to use military troops to protect customer and border protection with force, legal for this if necessary. they won t have firearms, only batons and cashiers a direct quote of how they explained it. if someone is bidding on a border patrol men and if we were in a position to do something about it, we could stop them from beating on them and taking him over and deliver him to a patrolman who with them arrest him for it. secretary mattis is going to great lengths to say that the u.s. military still does not have arrest authority, nor are they doing any law enforcement. so far the missions have been 6,000 active-duty troops, mainly been putting up barbed wire and other barriers along the border and to transport border patrol personnel sizes caravan of migrants continues to head north. the founder of the aid group angels without borders is telling the telemundo station in san diego that he believes thousands could try to make the jump off the border and a councilman and tijuana told telemundo that would be an immediate provocation to the united states. meanwhile president trump is continuing to claim that there are a lot of criminals in the caravan, we will stop, catch, and detained, judicial activism by people that are nothing about the safety of our citizen is putting our country in danger, no good. as of now, more than 3,000 migrants have reached to the border city of tijuana and mexico. lisa: thank you, i appreciate it. joining me now with reaction, and culture, conservative commentator and author of resistance is futile. also, allen orr, immigration and civil rights attorney. i want to start with you. what recourse does the trump administration have in dealing with the migrants that are illegally crossing the border while trying to seek asylum? well, i think may be having firearms would be helpful. that was hilarious. what? they are british cops, they don t have guns? do their troops on they have firearms? this is a little more important in protecting south korea, as important as that is. it s our country. there are a lot of things trump could do if he has to, if he s not going to build a wall, which apparently he isn t. he could go a few yards into mexico, have an emergency military action there. but i don t think it s going to help with billy clubs. [laughs] lisa: allen so secretary christy nielsen said yesterday that there are 500 criminal in the mix of the migrants as well as gang members. i want to play some sound for you, former i.c.e. director tom homan and get your thoughts on it. take a listen. i was called a fear mongerrer. fortunately i was right. we will talk about more caravans entering illegally, putting their hands in criminal organizations, bankrolling drug cartels who control the corridor was heading to the border. these people are put at risk. women will be raped, people will die, children all drown, people will be misused, as we have seen over and over, how many people have died at the heads of these criminals. lisa: allen, to mr. tom homan s board, as well as with secretary nielsen laid out, aren t they are real national security concerns and defense concerns at this on the border right now? i don t think there are any more concerns than any other border. every day, hundreds of thousands of individuals of white edge of this country. specifically at the tijuana port, at least 100,000 individuals apply every day. an extra 2,004,000 united stater entry, should not be a problem for the united states. therefore, this whole thing is basically theater, political theater lisa: how so? the caravan has been coming for years. ann has had that. this is the first time i have deployed actually the national guard and the troops of the border, lisa: not the first president to send troops to the border. president obama did that, president george w. bush, president h.w. bush, certainly not the first president to do that. not to send to the border at this level and this number and of this magnitude to address individuals who are coming here and which i don t even call them a caravan, i called them survivors because they are fleeing for their lives. to me people who are fleeing for their lives with guns instead welcoming them and using the american laws that we ve agreed on from congress to let them to apply for asylum, that is not very american. lisa: is not just president trump and republicans who have concerns about is going on. we have the tijuana mayor wearing a hat saying, make tijuana made don t migrate again, mexican protesters saying this is our country , what you make of what allen just said? that is the proof positive that they are not fleeing for their lives, which is why, for asylum, you either have to apply in your home country or you apply in the first country you come to. all the mexican protesters by the way, i guess it s fun needling the mexicans for being hypocrites on illegal immigration, but i really care what mexico s policy is. this is our country. our policy should be what donald trump ran on. we are trying to run the country here. it isn t an international lounge at jfk. you have to apply either in the country you are in or the first country you come to brights because that is factually not correct. please stop saying that. lisa: allen, why aren t these migrants doing at the right way? why aren t they going to parts of authority? why do you see some of them breaking the law and illegally crossing the border if they truly have a credible fear threshold that is being met, why don t they do with the right way? let s correct the record. you can t apply for asylum in your home country. it does not work that way. there is a rule that you can apply to their first country, which we mexico lisa: they are illegally crossing the border. in mexico, over the course of the last couple of the month, they have accepted more immigrants than the last couple of months. more than the united states has. so all those things combined, people fleeing for their lives, coming thousands of miles, they don t over the port of entry is. if you ve never been to a city before, you don t know where the port is. prayed continually, come of this administration has made it hard for individuals who do appear at the port. as you ve seen on tuesday, the president closed down the port for no reason other than fear and then only allowing a couple families at a time. therefore, this concept of them crossing the border illegally or them being illegal or them being illegal aliens where they are not even in a country really, what we stop the law allows, the constitution allows, through the administration, it does not matter how they enter the country, between courts, which we heard from the ninth circuit, they are allowed to apply for asylum. if we want to change that, we should change congress. lisa: the laws are being exploited, we know that is a fact. 8% of these individuals passing their initial threshold with immigration officials and then only 20% are actually granted asylum and immigration court. that is also a fact. i want to get your take, ann, on what chief justice roberts recently said, criticizing president trump, going after the ninth circuit, saying we do not have obama judges are trumped judges, bush judges or clinton . we have extraordinary group of dedicated judges. your thoughts on that? i warned the country about justice roberts. i thought he was a mistake. the one thing i will definitely give president trump credit for, appointing justices like kavanaugh and not harriet miers and justice roberts. i don t know why i have a lot of complaints with trump. i m glad he s appointing judges that are enforcing the law and yes, the law is you seek asylum in the first country you get to. you are by definition not fleeing for your life when you are trekking through thousands of miles of other countries, and oh, well, welfare isn t good enough here in mexico, i think i ll keep going. the reason we keep going to the u.s. of the reason it makes a difference where we set up the troops, they should be, as i said, a few yards into mexico, once a nonmexican steps on u.s. soil, we can t turn them away. the idea was to stop human smuggling, when in fact it s done exactly the opposite. it s creating human smuggling. mexicans, we can turn away at the border. if we catch them. that is why we wanted a wall. anyone who is a nonmexican, who just walks through this enormous country, not fleeing for their lives, looking for better welfare, once they step on u.s. soil, we can t just send them home, we have to give them hearings. the hearings go on and on, they just escape into the country in the air you are. lisa: thank you, ann, allen, i appreciate it. coming up, shocking admissions from college student telling heading for the holidays. take a look at this. there s definitely a racial history, a racist history to thanksgiving. lisa: in a panel is here to respond to that, plus, a campus crusade against aaa after the break. stay tuned. a lifetime of outdoor memories from bass pro shops and cabela s black friday sale. like hobbs creek men s flannel shirts for only $10. back pain can t win. now introducing aleve back and muscle pain. only aleve targets tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve back & muscle. all day strong. all day long. lisa: we ve heard about the war on christmas. now college students are declaring a war on thanksgiving. a shocking new video from campus reform shows students from the university of oregon saying that the holiday is a racist celebration of ongoing. take a look. there is definitely a racial history a racist history to thanksgiving. we are celebrating taking away land from the natives. okay, okay pretty racist. lisa: that is not the only school speaking out. daily color went to university university in years with the students at does it. is a genoicdal holiday. if you think about it, it kind of is because we are celebrating taking over people s lands. i think there is elements of that in the holiday. i would say yes. lisa: here to react to this is charlie carter, founder of turning point usa, horace coopey areu, the publisher of calorie catalina magazine. kathy, do you agree with those students? is thanksgiving racist? i agree they believe it s racist and there are groups of native americans lisa: why? a movie came out, the addams family movie, it made a point that this is a holiday that celebrates the genocide of the native american people. every year since the 70s, there has been a red power movement on alcatraz with native americans fighting thanksgiving, calling it unthanksgiving day. i see a lot of people who say it is a racist holiday. lisa: i see you shaking your head, charlie. it there s a lot of intellectual effort to believe that s true. people are not gathering around the dinner table tomorrow thinking and celebrating genocide. thanksgiving is uniquely american holiday because we take pause and we say thank you, god, for the amazing abundance in this country, thanks to their freedoms and liberties that only the system that we enjoy today has made possible. it s a day of gratitude, day of reflection, and this is what i fight every single day on these college campuses, lisa. you have these group of progressive elites that teach the dream interpretation of american history. they don t eat the founding ideas are history. you have the most luxurious generation in american history that has a high standard of living imaginable, thinking that thanksgiving is now a racist celebration holiday. complete misrepresentation of reality and it s too bad because we have a whole generation of which, i m a member of, that does not understand that we do live in the greatest country. lisa: horace, what you make of this? i always look at thanksgiving at the day to give thanks, be of my family, i have a new baby knees, looking forward to spend time with her. what do you make of this? it s really sad when you hear people that live in a country where they are blessed in so many special ways and at the time that we would normally think of as exactly as you said, let s see family, let see our loved ones, let s say take some time and be thankful for the great things that are going on. in fact, it s even a time to reach out to those, who are not doing so well. but it s not a time to do is to which is weird this idea that people are sitting around gloating in some way, that people are wondering about what happened 250, 350 years ago, to which group, and that kind of thing. this is uniquely a time where our country acknowledges how appreciative we are with the things that have been accomplished in our lives and in our country. this is what thanksgiving is about. lisa: i want to get to another topic about chick-fil-a. i think we can all agree that chick-fil-a has some pretty amazing sandwiches. i m sure you guys agree with that. the students at new jersey s rider university think so, too. they voted to bring the chain to campus, to their school. the school quickly shot down that idea and they said in an email to students that they wanted to promote inclusion for all. chick-fil-a s corporate values have not sufficiently progressed enough to align with those of rider. horace, is excluding chick-fil-a really the best way to bring inclusion? absolutely not. in fact, what we are seeing at a university when it has something like this, as it s no longer teaching young people that they need to understand and be tolerant of different perspectives, and they are also saying, if you are a young person, or even a faculty member who happens, as i do, to enjoy chick-fil-a and the services and the great products that they provide, that those people shouldn t get any boys? they shouldn t get any expression of the positive feelings that they have about it? it is really, really a narrow minded active intolerance to say no, we can t have chick-fil-a coming out at this university university, all because of a few people, most of them on the faculty, just don t like the particular political views of it for you members of the executive board over at chick-fil-a. if america is going to be run like that, then you are going to have to stop shopping at the malls, driving cars, all kinds of things. once we start digging into what the executive board of a given corporation thinks about an issue. lisa: kathy, this is what the students want. the school is essentially denying them their wishes with chick-fil-a. isn t it sort of intolerant to exclude people who share the opinion of chick-fil-a, perhaps? but i think they are trying to keep the peace on their campus and maybe if the lgbt community on their campus is aware that chick-fil-a is on our campus, and chick-fil-a has been quite vocal. the executives there have been quite vocal against the lgbt community, against same-sex marriages. so if they are going to cause protest on the campus, maybe it s best to let chick-fil-a not join their campus, bring another restaurant that is less controversial, and keep the peace, and it will be forgotten and about a month or so and people can enjoy another food from another fast food place. lisa: i want to get charlie in here. isn t inclusion including all? the most intolerant people in the world are liberals that preach tolerance. you can see this in this exampl example. they are upset that chick-fil-a is intolerant, therefore they must be intolerant of chick-fil-a. the real issue here is that the university structure, they hate anything that is rooted in the judeo-christian fabric or tradition that defense western civilization. even beyond that, chick-fil-a, if you are really worried about tasty sandwiches, waffle fries, being greeted warmly when you walk in, besides that, i don t understand what is so dangerous about chick-fil-a. to the point that cathy made, they are pandering to the activists. they are pandering to a small group of activist students. activists or people? lisa: sorry, cathy. we are running out of time. we ve got to go. thank you all for joining me tonight. when we come back, did you know that butterball has a turkey hotline for your thanksgiving emergencies? laura and raymond talk with one of those turkey hotline experts coming up next. you think you ve seen everything? let s talk about that when you get here. the united states virgin islands. lisa: the turkey challenge is scaring parents all across the country. kids are asking how to cook a 2e microwave. we tested it out, asking one of our producer s mother is what she would do. she said, you can t do that! your grandfather is probably rolling over in his grave. wow. way to take it to the next level. we have got news for you, though, denise. butterball says you can microwave a turkey, albeit a very small one. and they should know that they have an entire hotline dedicated to helping frantic scholars fix their turkey troubles. for decades, laura spoke earlier with one of those turkey experts and raymond arroyo, fox news contributor. take a listen. speak to janice, are you at the official turkey headquarters? i m at the official turkey talk line headquarters. laura: okay, so what is the craziest thing someone has tried to get you to fix for them on thanksgiving? when people call in here, for them, it is go time. they are trying to make this turkey, and they are trying to either avoid a disaster or they already see a disaster coming down the line. our goal here at butterball is to really make it cook like a boss, make you all met turkey. this is going to be fun and good and one of my favorite calls that i took oh, gosh, maybe three or four years ago. she was a new bride and i could barely hear her. i said, can you talk up a little bit? i can hear you. she said, i have a turkey in the oven but i don t know if it s done. she said, i m calling from the hallway closet. i am like, okay. all right. i get this. my mother-in-law, she owns a catering business. oh, wow. i get it. laura: giving a little pressure on people. new brides the first turkey ever made, i remember when i made my first turkey. it was dry as a bone. i wish i had knew you, janice. it looked brown on the outside so that was good. janice, i have a question. are you supposed to put the stuffing inside the turkey before you cook it? a doctor told me, this could be a fast pass to give uncle ted salmonella at the table. is that true? laura: wad? that s ridiculous. you can absolutely stop your turkey. i stuffed mind. he comes down to a family tradition, my mom stops or is it so i stuffed mine. you want to make sure you get a temperature rating on the stopping of 165 degrees. make sure the bacteria burns off. [laughs] to make sure it s good to eat. laura: janice, my mother always made the giblet stuffing. she had the organ grinder, literally. i think it was from the depression, her mother had it. it survived a flood in connecticut. she would grind those giblets, i was like all you had to see when you are seven or eight is to see the kidney and the heart and they are grinding. i m telling you, that was good. that tasted really good. sweeney todd at the thanksgiving table. laura: does anyone call and about a different type of animal they are cooking? absolutely. laura: a goose or duck or hen or pigeon or single? absolutely. we get those calls all the time. i am making a chicken but we here you will are here, so i goa call and how to make meringue. so yeah, i got all kinds of mooring for a lemon pie. [laughs] laura: don t you agree that a goose is not easy to cook? they say the goose is cooked but a goose is not easy to cook braid is always greasy. my brother wanted it once a year, the charles dickens christmas, we were cursing him out by the end of the year. that goose was a grease ball. not a butterball, a grease ball. not very tasty and the end. let s stick with a butterball turkey. [laughs] janice, when should you cut the bird? it continues to cook up to take it out of the oven, correct? when is the ideal time to cut the turkey? good question. that is one of the questions that comes in on our phone lines a lot. if you let it rest for about 20 minutes, and of the bigger target, you can let it rest 30, 40 minutes. all the juices will come back together. and then it will easily carve. if you ve ever carved too soon, they need to shreds. let it sit there 20, 30 minutes. you can make your side dishes then lisa: we are out of time laura: we are out of time but don t you agree to fried turkey, everyone thinks ty should fry the turkey, fry the turkey, bury it in the ground. they are all coming up with it, but the fried turkey does taste really good. like, everything fried white fried turkey is the best. i could not agree more. if you have any more questions, you can ask alexa now. you can ask alexa, asked butterball how to fry my turkey. laura: no, we want to talk to you. we want to talk to you, janice. lisa: if anyone has any trouble tomorrow night, you know who to call. stay with us, laura and raymond are back with their thanksgiving dos and don ts next. jackets for the whole family only $10 each. and these vortex 10x42 diamondback binoculars for under $130. lisa: whether you are cooking the turkey tomorrow are just simply showing up, raymond and laura have got you covered with thanksgiving dos and don ts. take a listen to this. i can tell you everything you need to need to know. laura: okay. i ve studied this, research dead, and i ve lived through the drama of thanksgivings. laura: raymond of all trades. what is the biggest don t for thanksgiving? here is one thing, don t create a family-wide fast where you deprive the people in the family of food all day long until you are ready. i m just telling you, ladies, i love you all, men do not like to go all day without eating. if they get angry laura: you do. i do, i admit it. that causes all kinds of problems of the table. if you want a sullen, quiet meal because everyone is carving on the food, do that. my advice, put finger sandwiches out, let them eat around 1:00, 2:00, so they are not angry bears. laura: i have a question, who makes finger sandwiches still? that is something my grandmother made. what are we talking about? when you are cooking six or seven courses, buying finger sandwiches is easy. laura: my mother left notes and stuff out, eminem sprayed a family of squirrels? [laughter] laura: the big old fashion cracker, cracking the nuts. we would get into a fight what i think giving you much have had. break out the nutcracker, kids. laura: my mother would start playing the polish christmas carols. now i actually love them, but as a kid, we would be rocking around no brenda lee at your house. [laughter] laura: i am so sorry. she was so great. it would be like [laughs] like a polish funeral. those hymns are a little dreary, i admit. we got to get our don t cook a turkey if you don t know how to cook a turkey. disaster can ensue and you had a quick don t. laura: don t try a recipe on thanksgiving for the first time. [laughs] is a terrible thing to do. is a terrible idea. laura: i had the bright idea of making an apple cranberry pie for thanksgiving. my mother was she was an unbelievable cook but especially of five. she was like marie calendar laura: no way to replicate what my mother did. i made this thing, i was rolling it out, rolling it out the thing you don t want to do, you never want to overcook anything, particularly the bird. watch. look at that. [laughter] it is like the puff of smoke at the end. laura: so dry. i didn t get to finish my story. you can finish that in the book. the other thing you don t want to do is to create moisture. people think, put more grease or all of oil in the pan that you are cooking the burden. it never works. [laughs] [laughter] laura: oh, my god. i ve never seen anything quite that bad. but some of these just go up in flames. laura: my mother used to say i always think of her this time of year, i miss her a lot people eat fast and then they just leave the table. i slaved all day with my crippled hands [laughter] the other thing i would recommend people do before we get to this next clip, make sure you spread the pain at your holiday table. that means, separate the disgruntled member of the family who might divide. put them far away from one another. laura: how about across the country? even better, to separate them. you are thinking way ahead. even if you happen to be a volunteer at the macy s thanksgiving day parade, make sure that you have a workout routine or where heavyweight or otherwise this can lead to catastrophe. laura: i never was a fan of barney. if one balloon had to go away, that is the one. he slammed into a light pole because the women couldn t hold him down. across seventh avenue. laura: it is a lot of work for people to put on a thanksgiving dinner. there are a lot of people who are just like, you know, i m exhausted because and they just i would rather have someone else do the cooking. a lot of people do go out for out. lisa: we ll be right back. lisa: sadly that is all the time we have tonight. i am lisa boothe in for laura ingraham. have a happy thanksgiving, everyone. shannon bream and the fox news @ night team are going to take it from here. shannon: thank you. we begin. fox news alert. breaking news on the southern border. the white house giving defense secretary general mattis authority for the troops there to use lethal force if necessary. in order to protect customs and border patrol agents. white house chief of staff general john kelly spelled out what he says is new evidence of real threats. former acting i.c.e. director tom homan is going to be here to break it down. first, story captivating the nation tonight. in an unprecedented move, supreme court justice john roberts, the chief, defending the judicial branch after comments by the president. the controversy stemming from an obama appointed judges ruling to block the president s plan to crack down on migrants who enter the u.s. illegally and then asked for asylum.
but first a desperate manhunt is under way. a california police officer killed during a routine traffic stop, gunned down in cold blood by a suspect who police say is in the united states illegally this suspect is in our country illegally. he doesn t belong here. he s a criminal. we will find him. we will arrest him. and we will bring him to justice. lisa: that sheriff will join me in a moment. first jonathan hunt is live in our west coast newsroom with the late breaking details. jonathan good evening lisa. 33 year old ron singh was gunned down at one am wednesday in newman california just hours earlier, on christmas day he had taken this photo with his wife anameka and their five month old son. his five month old, he will never hear talk. he will never see his son walk. he doesn t get to hold that little boy, hug his wife. the say good night. any more. because a cow ward took his life. on wednesday officer singh pulled over a gray pickup truck that had no license plates. minutes later he radioed shots fired. i ve been hit. the suspect was seen on it security camera footage buying beer shortly before the shooting. he has not been formally named but officials say they know who he is. they believe he is still in the area. they know he is armed and dangerous. and they revealed he is an illegal immigrant. that prompted a tweet from president trump, highlighting the manhunt for the suspect and saying, quote, time to get tough on border security, build the wall! officer singh was a legal immigrant from fiji. apparently even took extra english lessons to make himself better understood over the police radio. he was truly just a human being. an american patriot. ron was not born in america. ron was born in fiji. he came to this country with one purpose and that was to serve this country. the chief and others who worked with ron singh say he loved being a police officer. he loved his family and he was, quote, living the american dream. lisa. lisa: alright. thank you jonathan. alright. and singh s chief randy richardson breaking down earlier today while speaking about the murdered officer. watch this. you have to understand this is not supposed to happen here. deep breath. you re doing okay. i ve been i ve been to too many of these tune rals and i never thought, ever, that i would have to be doing this. i do not want to be here today. i would give anything not to. i did not know christmas morning, at 4:00 in the morning when i said good by to him, and sent him off to his family, that it would be the last time that i saw him. my department is hurting. we re struggling through this. so please be in mind when you see them, that it s hard for them. we re a family. we re not an agency. we re a family. . lisa: alright. joining me knew exclusively, stanislaus county sheriff adam christianson. hi sheriff hello lisa. thank you for having me on the show. lisa: sheriff our hearts break for you tonight and the community. i don t know how anyone can t watch that without breaking do you know them selves, with tears. i just my heart go ahead out to you and what you re feeling. i know randy richardson said it was a close-knit the community at the police department, 12 people, you could see the love and admiration that he had for officer singh. i want to start out with legacy and honoring him and what he meant to you and the new man police department. can you tell me about corporal singh? well i can tell you that the sheriff s office is the lead investigative agency and we are fully supporting the new man police department. so even though i m the sheriff, chief richardson is really trying to keep his team together. we re there to support him. officer singh is the shining example of what i mmigration in america should be. this is a young man who immigrated here legally. it was his dream to come to america. it was his dream to be a police officer. he worked hard to achieve that goal. unfortunately he sacrificed his life trying to defend and protect his community. newman is very small. it s almost like mayberry. these critical incidents don t occur. for this law enforcement agency, in the history of its existence, go this is their first line of duty death. lisa: sir, he leaves behind a five and a five month old child. can you tell us a little bit about his family? he s got a wonderful family i think what chief richardson shared with everyone, your viewers and the nation and even here locally, speaks to the character of officer singh and how much he loved his family. i think the photograph speaks volumes to his devotion, not only to his family but his community. lisa: sir tell us a little bit more about his dedication to the job. i read that he drove two and-a-half hours to attend the police academy which he put himself through. he took lessons to learn how it to speak english better so he could move up the ladder. can you tell us more about that dedication? ed. it s an amazing story. he of the didn t start with the newman police department. he was a cadet with the turlock police department. he worked very hard. he was a reserve with the merced county sheriff s office. he pursued his dream. to get through the academy, he was willing to make that commute every day, to complete that training program, making him eligible to be a peace officer in the state of california. and yes, he knew that he was difficult to understand, because of his accent. and again, he threw everything into language classes. english is not his first language. and even i remember what he sounded like on the radio, and we all kind of all chuckled about that accent and how hard he worked to ensure that his language got better, his english skills got better, because again he wanted so badly to be a police officer, and he worked diligently to achieve his goal. lisa: where does this manhunt stand now? so we have identified a suspect. although we re not naming that suspect. primarily because we have a very specific protocol that we use to make positive identifications and as you know, people use multiple aliases, oftentimes people share similar or same names. and we re not going to make a mistake. we re not ready to actually name the suspect, but we have multiple teams utilizing our federal law enforcement partners, state and local partners. we have multiple teams out chasing down multiple investigative leads. we have a hotline set up. and we are working non-stop. we re not sparing any expense to hunt this suspect down and bring him to justice. lisa: are californians in danger right now? no, they re not. yes, this suspect is armed and dangerous. but we believe he is on the run. we have no evidence whatsoever to believe he is still a credible threat. although i suspect when law enforcement moves in he might be. but we encourage the public. there s plenty of information out there. if you see him or you think you see this suspect do not approach him, don t engage him, don t try to stop him. call 911 ask let us intercept him. because we want to get him into custody safely without anybody else being injured or killed as a result of this investigation or this incident lisa: do we know if the suspect has a criminal background? not yet. again we re working on that positive identification. without completing that protocol we don t want to misidentify anybody, so we re going it make absolutely it sure that we have an identification. and really the best way to do that is fingerprints. and we re not gonna have that until we get him in custody. lisa: sir i want to ask you something you brought up at the press conference earlier. you made the distinct between the fact corporal singh came here legally, with the sole purpose of being a police officer, to serve this country and his community. you drew the difference between this criminal who came here illegally. why was it important to draw that distinct? because i want the nation to know, i want your viewers to know that officer singh really should be the focus of this investigation, and his sacrifice. but i also want everybody to know that immigration is good for america if done legally. illegal immigration doesn t serve our communities, especially criminals who victimize and exploit our communities. whether you hate the president or love the president, border security goes hand-in-hand with national security. the safety of our communities, and public safety. we need to know who is in our communities that shouldn t be. we should be focussing on criminal activity without political interference. and there is only one entity that can fix immigration, even though there are laws on the books and we should stand by the rule of law, and we should be enforcing those laws. congress is the only entity that can fix this problem. and until they decide to depolarize themselves and focus on what s in the best interests in the people, you can t establish a system of immigration that plaques bureaucracy, hopefully, and allows people a path to become good citizens, and contribute to what makes america great. officer singh, he is the absolute poster child for why immigration works if done legally and properly. lisa: should more be done at the southern border to prevent this illegal activity? well i think that there is at least from what i know, i think that there s a lot of great work going on , on our southern border. i think it s inexcusable that we continue to attack the men and women who are there, either as members of u.s. customs, border patrol, i.c.e. or any other federal law enforcement partners. stop demonizing the men and women who are there trying to protect our communities, it s time to come together and fix the problem. yes, border security needs to be a priority. it s not just the immigration issue, lisa. we have cartels that are trafficking narcotics weapons, little girls, we have a problem with human trafficking. we need to secure our borders and we need to give the men and women who protect us, our federal law enforcement partners the ability to do their job without political interference. lisa: sir, california has come under fire for being a sanctuary state. has that hamstrung your ability to do your job in any way? well certainly it has. first of all, and as i told the president of the united states when i sat next to him, i don t think we should be subjected to political the interference. i understand why the state legislature and politicians have decided to create these laws because they believe that people need to be protected. law enforcement is here to protect people. but you can t provide sanctuary for criminals. all that does is silence the voices of our victims. i certainly didn t sign up to do. that remember that our partners with i.c.e., great, great law enforcement partners, they re not in my county sweeping through church was and schools and convenience stores. they re only interested in the fugitives and criminals. why are we providing sanctuary for people who exploit the weak and defenseless? we should not be doing that. lisa: before i let you go is there any place where viewers and people at home can help the singh family? absolutely. if you go to our facebook page, just search for the stanislaus county sheriff s office. there s an official, donation site. remember that there s also a lot of fraudulent creation of go fund me sites. be very careful of those. if it s not our official site, which was set up by the stanislaus sworn deputies association, and that is on our facebook page, that is the only official site where people can absolutely donate and help this family. understanding that we re going to help this family there are benefits available to them. and my office, the sheriff s office and the men and women of the stanislaus county sheriff s office along with all of our other local partners, you can absolutely be sure we re going to support officer singh and his family, officer singh will never be forgotten for his service and sacrifice. lisa: we honor his leg good afternoon as i will tonight sir. thank you for joining us. our prayers are with his family and your community thank you lisa. lisa: thank you, sir. lisa: joining us now is art arthur and jose, democratic strategist. art i m going to start with you. president trump tweeted out tonight about this, this is the reason why we need the wall. do you agree? absolutely. quite frankly this is a senseless death that would have been prevented had we had good border security. had we prevented this individual from entering the united states he never would have been there to kill corporal singh, it s on the books it should be enforced. lisa: so say do you agree with that? look i ve said this from the very beginning. first and foremost let me the say my heart breaks for that family. and any undocumented immigrant in this country who has committed high crimes should be deported. any undocumented has committed high crimes, if you are high criminal who have committed crimes in this country and you re undocumented you should be deported. lisa: coming to this country illegally is also a crime, though, just to be clear again that is why i m saying high crimes, okay? talking about murder, rape and things as such. so if we want to come to a real solution to this, the sheriff said it. he said we want to make sure we can find the criminals within communities across this country. i ve got a solution for the president. let s pass comprehensive immigration reform. lisa: how would that address the illegality at the border? we will legalize millions of good serving immigrants in this country who want to pledge allegiance. lisa: how does that stop illegality? begin because you allow yourself once you get a majority of immigrants in this country, you take them out of the shadows, allows law enforcement to take them lisa: that doesn t prevent people from coming here illegally, sir lisa, this is the opposite of what we should do. lisa: one at a time the question was addressed to me art. lisa: i ll get you in art, i promise. i ll get to you art. lisa: jose i m letting you finish a majority of illegal immigration, undocumented immigration in this country is because of over stayed have i vast sas, visas, not because of the borders. we should maybe build a fence around canada. lisa: speaking of fences, hold on a second, speaking of fences, democrats have supported fencing along the southern border in the past. clearly both sides see the need to have some sort of physical structure at the southern border. now all of a sudden they re broken down in any sort of agreement overboarder funding. art what do you make of that? it underscores the politics of the entire thing. hillary clinton, chuck schumer, barack obama, joe biden all voted in favor of the secure fence act of 2006 of. today you can t find any of these people talking in favor of president trump s border security. why? because it s political. if jose wants to get rid of the criminals we should get rid of the sanctuary policies. you heard the sheriff before. they re keeping the criminals on the streets. those cripple 23458s go back and prey on the immigrant communities that jose purportedly speaks for. we want to get those criminals off the street, unshackle i.c.e., allow them to find the criminals, apprehend them and remove them from the united states. there s no high crimes in the immigration and nationality act it s crimes involving moral turpitude, removable offenses, those are all offenses that we screen for before you come to the united states. if you enter the united states legally and you have one of those crimes you re not allowed in. if you enter illegally and you have one of those crimes we re never going to know you had a crime before and you re probably going to reoffend. the average criminal illegal alien gets arrested 7 times. criminal aliens commit crimes. jose is obviously with me on this. we want to do away with sanctuary cities, we want to do away with sanctuary policies and get the criminals off the streets. and chuck schumer back in 2006 said we should build the wall. i think we should build the wall. we need barriers wherever we need them. lisa: why don t democrats get on board? they were willing to give president trump $25 billion in exchange for daca. they supported a physical structure. what is the hold up? in my perception it s politics, it s about denying president trump that campaign promise he made to americans. why the issue now? let s go back to 2013. democrats passed comprehensive immigration reform in the senate. in the republican controlled house they denied it. art wants to talk about democrats want not wanting to do away with immigration, that s a lie. president obama tried to pass come presince such immigration reform and the republicans tried to block us from doing this. talking about the budget, let s be clear. we gave the republicans $1.3 billion last year and they only used under 10% of that money. they re asking for 5 billion, this next year we ll give you 1.3 again. the president is obsessed with this wall. for the folks watching us there s a wall with mexico already. we don t need a wall. we have high technology to actually get away the criminals from the border. the president is trying to make this issue a lot bigger than it truly is. i m with you art we must get the criminals out of this country. let s deport them. you know this very well, majority of documented population in this country are good people. the solution i hear from donald trump and republicans lisa: jose i still have yet to hear you address the illegality at the southern border. we estimated 2 two million illegal immigrants living in the country. neither side can figure out what to do with them. why would we not want to stop the flow of illegality adding to the problem nobody can solve? unfortunately we ran out of time. thank you for joining me tonight, appreciate it. appreciate your insight. thank you both. democrats are not going to do like the results of a new poll on 2020, wait until you hear who voters want to see run. plus the shut down show down is about to enter it s 7th day and congress appears to be in no hurry to take any action. a live report from wash ush washington, d.c., next long or short shut down from today? you know in the last 48 hours i would say that the needle has moved towards a very long shut down. report from was d.c. next. the american dream isn t a handout it s something you work for when i couldn t afford college college of the ozarks gave me the chance to work for my degree i ll graduate debt free from a college where character is as important as class work and patriotic education is part of the curriculum we are hard work u and we are working for our american dream it s an embarrassment any time the government shuts down, this being no exception. we have to work at it until we get to an agreement where a majority say yes. and i think we had that. until the president, you know, went off his medicine and who the hell knows what happened? lisa: that was massachusetts jim mcgovern on the state of the government shut down show down as we head to day seven tomorrow. the house she did there will not be any votes this week. the senate is quiet but president trump is not tweeting this isn t about the wall. everybody knows that a wall will work perfectly. in israel the wall works 99.9%. this is only about the dems not letting donald trump and the republicans have a win. they may have the ten senate votes but we have the issue. border security, 2020. rich edson is live in washington, d.c. tonight with the late breaking details good evening lisa. the house and senate quickly gavelled in-and-out this afternoon. there is no indication this partial shut down is ending. mark med does says the needle has moved toward a long shut down as democrats and republicans talk past one another. the white house and democrats are billions of dollars apart on border security and wall building. the white house said they extended an offer to democrats five days ago and have no response. the democrat party is openly choosing to keep our government closed to protect illegal immigrants rather than the american people. the president does not want the government to remain shut down but he will not sign a proposal that does not first prioritize our countries safety and security. the president says a spending bill must include more money for a border wall. house democrats say they ve offered republicans three funding bill options, all including money for increased border security. though not a wall. they say they ll pass a bill to re-open the government after they assume control of the house next week. in a statement spokesperson for nancy pelosi says quote, with the house majority, democrats will act swiftly to end the trump shut down and will fight for a robust national security policy including strong and smart boardser security and strong support for our service members and veterans. senate majority leading mitch mcconnell says if there is a break through in negotiations senators will have 24 hours to return and vote. with little movement toward a compromise the senate is adjourned until next week. lisa: thank you rich. appreciate it. get ready for the 2020 presidential race to heat up next week. there are nearly three dozen democrats considering a run. but according to a new poll democratic and independent voters don t want any of them on the ticket. they picked someone entirely new over a list that included biden, sanders and beto o rourke, notably hillary clinton came in last. cory the lewandowski, tom we have in, bevin and doug schoen. hey guys hey lisa. lisa: i m going to start with you doug because you re in studio and you re also my friend good. the way i see this, i find it interesting, you ve got someone new, 59%. beneath that you have biden and sanders, no offense to biden or sanders, they are not young or new correct. lisa: is there a generational divide going on if right now? there s two things. younger people certainly want new faces. what these numbers say is while democrats have a higher arc i based on the past they re open to a new face, a new candidate and new approach. lisa: tom i want to go to you as well. one thing i found interesting, you have kamala hairs, o rourke, booker, all these people that are essentially something new. yet voters still 59% wanted someone that wasn t on that list. does that tell you anything about the chances of o rourke, hairs or booker? yeah it tells me this race is wide open. we could very well be talking about someone next year who is not on the radar screen yet. three dozen candidates potentially running this, race is going to be, the field is going to be huge, it will be wild and wooly, democrats will sort out the idea of someone old, young, white male, person of color, female. all of that will be flushed out in a series of debates, twelve starting in june. it will be fun to watch. lisa: corey you re no stranger to crowded primaries. president trump was in one and was able to break through. do you see any democrats being able to break through this primary field? i think this poll reminds me of the old television movie brewsters millions when they said vote none of the above. you have the billionaire michael bloomberg who has pledged $100 million to run, left wing act vafrts pocahontas and kamala hairs. the they re running to the left as far as they can. in order for them to win the primary, they need to do what donald trump did, embrace issues that middle america wants, border security, renegotiating trade deals and bringing jobs back. the discovery disputes have democrats have no plan. they re at a loss to see what issues to run on. lisa: part of hillary clinton s problem was democrats ignored the working class voters absolutely the true. lisa: they had 8 years under president obama. do you think democrats realize that? i think they do now. they didn t during the campaign. the middle western middle american states like pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, they all were up for grabs in ways that i don t think most people thought. and cory is right. we need a jobs program for democrats, we need an economic empowerment program and we need a program for small business that is inclusive and broad based. we just can t run on the same old issues that you rightly point out cost hillary the election. lisa: tom you know when do you think we re going to start seeing some of these candidates throat their hat in the ring and make announcements, we can start to see the field faiths bit clearer? well we ve had a couple announcements of people who are not running, patrick, we ll see more of that. but certainly the kancandidatese plotting, building infrastructure, organizations, the folks who are seriously looking at this. they should start announcing pretty soon. debates are going to start happening pretty darn soon, in june i think. you ll have a number of candidates that will announce pretty shortly upcoming. the race has been going on for a few months and is well under way. lisa: corey elisabeth warren is on this list, 27%. is she going to be able to recover from the embarrassing roll out? to tell us that she is less native american than the average white american. do you think she can recover from that? you know i don t think so. look i grew up in massachusetts so i say this with the most respect, everybody who gets elected in massachusetts thinks they should be the president, going back to michael dukakis and paul songas and now elisabeth warren and mitt romney. i don t know what s in the water. every elected official except duvall patrick who has been involved in politics in massachusetts thinks they should be president. her role was so bad, she wanted to roll out she s not actually a native american. i don t see how she has a path forward f she thinks she is going to carry massachusetts and win she has another thing coming i ve been doing this 40 odd years. i ve worked from city council up to president, every elected official in their heart of hearts lisa thinks they should be president. that s just the truth [ laughter ] lisa: everyone is laughing. [ laughter ] it s true, it s really true. lisa: thank you all. thank you. lisa: nearly a year after the parkland school shooting one of the florida newspapers is finally calling for the removal of broward county sheriff israel. we ll have someone here it talk about why sheriff israel s resigning is long over due he needs to be accountable for the policy that he put in place that failed on february 14th. had to. kayla: do you know how hard it is to smoke in a hospital? by the time we could, we were like. what are we doing? kayla: it was time for nicodermcq. the nicodermcq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. and doubles your chances of quitting. nicodermcq. you know why, we know how. i gave him a gun, i gave him a badge, i gave him the training. if he didn t have the heart to go in, that s not my responsibility. . lisa: well that was em battled broward county sheriff scott israel just two weeks after the deadly shooting at parkland high school last february, refusing to take any responsibility in the breakdown of responsibility and response that ultimately could have saved lives. despite several calls for his resignation sheriff israel is still on the job. now one of florida s biggest newspapers admits it made a mistake and the sheriff needs to go. they wrote the sheriff failed to accept responsibility for things that went wrong. instead suggesting that things couldn t have been better. if at the fails to acknowledge that mistakes were made not only by individuals but by his command, how can we expect a better outcome next time? sheriff israel has been fighting for his job since the february shooting of stoneman high school. the witness statements that highlighted the contrast between broward and coral springs police officers. a state appointed safety commission said sheriff s deputies some of them at least appeared to take their time putting on vests when they arrived at the school and took cover behind their vehicles rather than immediately entering the school to confront the shooter. coral springs police officers were far more proactive. the commission found in fact that eight sheriff s deputies heard gunfire but did not immediately enter the building. one of those was the school resource officer deputy scott peterson. he was seen on video appearing to hide behind a wall. he was suspended at the time pending investigation and later resigned. in a letter to the safety commission wednesday sheriff israel highlighted policy changes instigated since the shooting but again defended his department s policies at the time of the shooting saying quote it is the strong belief of this sheriff that no policies, no words would have led to deputy peterson going into that building. now the influential sun sentinel newspaper which initially defended the sheriff is calling for his removal from office, something parents of some of those who died that february day have long demanded. now incoming republican governor ron desantis could suspend sheriff israel once the safety commission report is formally published. the sheriff told the miami heard this week he has, quote, no plans to resign. lisa: thank you jonathan. joining me now is a man who has been calling for sheriff israel s resignation from the beginning. jeff bell president of the broward sheriff s officers association. thank you for being with us this evening thank you. lisa: i want to talk to you about the shift from the sun sentinel. why is that important? this is huge down here in south florida. the sun sentinel has always been. known as a left leaning liberal newspaper who has defended the sheriff at all costs, go almost a romantic relationship with the sheriff s office for the past couple years. it s huge. back in april of this year 85% of our membership voted we had no confidence in sheriff it s and i called for his removal. that drew sharp criticism from the sun sentinel and they wrote a two-page full corner article against the union saying we were over re acting and trying to ex tort the sheriff for a better contract over the parkland massacre which was the furthest from the truth t somebody in the last eight months finally found courage and grew a backbone and unleashed their investigative reporters to go out and find the truth. eight months later after our vote of no confidence, the sun sentinel, largest supporter of sheriff israel finally reached the same conclusion that this union and men and women of broward county sheriff s office is that he heeds to be removed from the broward sheriff s office immediately. lisa: what goes through your mind that peterson didn t go in, that they didn t go in and they hid? well you feel disappointed that we didn t make the right decisions that day. outside of the law enforcement community you can understand the anger from the community. within our own department we understand why failures at this level took place this day. when you have a sheriff who on november 4th, 2013, intervened himself into our active shooter policy and took out the word will respond and replaced it himself with the word may respond, it causes a disconcern with the deputies responding to the scene of what action they should take. when he publicly announces we re no longer a law enforcement agency we re now a community based law enforcement agency and we re going to help out the community rather than to fight crime in broward county, we re taking the wrong approach. then when his further implementation of lack of training, and the stripping money away from our training budget so we spend more time in classrooms learning about politeness in policeing and only spend four hours a year, believe that, four hours a year practicing with our guns on a gun range that we lease from the county. the nation s largest fully accredited sheriff s office does not have their own begun range or training facility to practice for these events. i put the full blame on sheriff scott israel for his intervention into these policies and for failure to demand from the broward county commission a proper training facility so we can better prepare for the next incident which is just waiting for us around the corner. lisa: sir what do you know about the commission report? any key findings viewers at home need to know about? well feel that be made public on january 1st. we ve made recommendations to the governor elect ron desantis, that we need it take better courses of actions with our juvenile justice system here in the state of florida. i can tell you this, on february 14th, 2018, nicholas cruz and nicholas cruz only went into that school and pulled that trigger which cost the lives of 17 people. i can tell you the failed programs such as the promise program and the lack of training and the policies that this sheriff has created within broward county did not create nicholas cruz. but it certainly created an environment which allowed somebody like nicholas cruz to flourish in, we re seeing the results of the poor policies and the promise program taking effect where kids today are no longer held responsible for the actions they take within the community. lisa: these families deserve accountability. i think one of the issues and frustration for so many americans is the fact that sheriff israel continuously refuses it take any responsibility t really does start at the top, as you laid out. how does it make you feel when you hear sheriff israel just refuse to take any responsibility for his actions or his failed leadership? there is one word to describe the sheriff. narcissistic. this sheriff believes that nothing can be his fault. and everything that he does is purely for political gain. this man has appointed leadership within the broward sheriff s office that is incompetent at best. they re friends, political appointments and cron it s he s brought into this agency. jan jordan, captain of parkland on the day of the massacre. what were her qualifications? she was a diversity pick from sheriff israel. and that was proven because she was overwhelmed when the very first minute of that shooting took place, that captain would have been overwhelmed with a simple traffic stop. that was the sheriff s number one pick to go into parkland as the captain in that district. lisa: sir do you expect incoming gofr governor desantis to take action regarding sheriff israel i ve been hoping governor scott would take action but he s failed to do so. i ve made my opinions very clear to governor ee electric ron desantis. he knows my opinions on the sheriff and he knows what needs to be done to fix broward county not only within the sheriff s departments but other areas that need to be fixed. hopefully with a report that comes out on january 1st, and then what s expected to be the fd le report shortly after that he will have enough ammunition to finally pull the trigger and remove sheriff israel as the sheriff of broward county and replace him with somebody who is competent enough to be the leader of the largest fully accredited sheriff s office in the nation. lisa: thank you sir. our hearts are still with those families who lost loved ones. heart breaking story. we appreciate you being with us thank you. lisa: due process decision that could have a major impact on college campuses across the country. plus football fans sue for the right to swear. and the tsa getting rid of certain dogs because of their ears? my panel on that. stay tuned, next. . lisa: well yesterday we brought you the story of the nearly the century old world war i cross memorial in maricopa that the non-christian group is trying to get torn down. watch in 1985, the cross was declared to be in honor of all veterans of all wars. all veterans were not christians. all veterans include muslims, hindus, butted ifrts, jews, ath i didn t have thes, everybody. we want to honor them all. that s the whole point of our case. it gives the impression that no jews are welcome in the city of bladensburg. it represents bladensburg as though it were a christian enclave. lisa: now the trump administration is getting involved, filing a friend of the court brief urging the supreme court to protect the memorial. the court is expected to hear oral arguments on it early next year. now a settlement that could have an impact on universities across america. the university of cincinnati reportedly paying out $47,000 it a male student who didn t get a fair chance to defend himself. the lawsuit claiming the school was motivated to favor the accusing female over the accused male. schools treat male students with a presumption of guilt. joining me now, the author of donald drains the swamp and cathy areu. a lot of campuses have been under scrutiny for denying rights to the accused particularly under the title ten rights under the obama administration they re not even teaching due process on these campuses. even if you decide this is a private club we can do what we want, you have to teach your students how america works. in america not only do we have presumption of innocence we re a nation of laws. that s what keeps us from descending into a french revolution style blood bath. when you base everything on feelings which is what you re seeing in some of these me too situations nobody can win. so it is absolutely important that they get this right. i m encouraged that this happened. i think it will also slow people down who are simply crazy and thinking i can make an accusation and i won t get in trouble. i mean this woman, seems to be a little crazy. when you read the details it s pretty weird. lisa: kathy one of my concerns with the me too movement, we saw teen column any of the say not too long ago who cares if innocent men get caught up in this movement? it s for the better good. i m paraphrasing. isn t that the a dangerous assumption to be made? yeah but the me too movement has everybody having the conversation. lisa: but men are falsely accused nine out of the ten rape victims don t speak up, which is so sad. the fact that the me too movement has people investigating, so he is innocent thankfully because people are having the right conversations, and the investigationses i think the drew process happened because the me too movement happened. you admit you stabbed me in the green room? you admd i it let s investigate it. as a stab victim, i think people don t believe me. it s such a sensitive thing n america we have to be very, very careful. your hearts are in the right place. we want justice. i have a wife, mother, daughter, the idea that will men, that pigs like harvey wine fine act like this makes me sick however victims do not come forward. nine out of ten don t speak up. now they re finally speaking up. one person does not speak for all the victims out there. obviously not. lisa: it s also important, i have three brothers, anybody watching with a husband or son that is concerned about having due process, making sure we get it right. that is a very, very important thing. we re going to switch gears to something more lighthearted, i don t know. everyone has a right to curse, right? i don t know. well two new york giants fans are suing because they say their free speech was violated when they were arrested for cursing and flipping off players. the lawsuit claiming a police officer warned the pair to stop after they were heard screaming you bleep ing, can t say that on air, then ordered them to be rejected. this here, one of the plaintiffs went over the railing where he says he was tased and kneed in the face. there s a lot to unpack. were their rights violated? do i have the right it say the n word in public? the point is obviously not. the idea, the immature childish idea that will anyone can say anything, it s so stupid. every american knows that if you want to exist in a civil society you can t say whatever you like. if someone uses the f word or n word in front of my daughter or my wife i will be right in their face. they do not have the right to say that public. i don t think you have the right to wear a shirt that uses those words in public. the fact that these men want to drag everybody down. at a sporting event you should be able to take little kids. if you have jug heads that cannot control they re mouth. they re immature, not men, boys, children. they should have their mouths washed out with soap on the 50 yard line and maybe branded with the scarlet f on their forehead. lisa: i had my mouth washed out with soap, it was not pleasant it actually is disorderly contact in two states, florida, texas, it is against the rights. you re not allowed, it s a mississippi, it s against the law to actually say these things. people think they have the right. in america that s not a right we have. you were talking earlier, i blame pop stars and singers for incorporating this language. most parents know we don t want our kids hearing these things, talking about these things. these guys should be made an example of. they should not get away with this. lisa: we re end on agreement. kumbaya, heading into the night with agreement. we ll be right back with the last bite. stay tuned. .. time for the last bite. the littlest panthers fan is excited to get in new jersey for christmas and he thinks cam newton sent it to him. cam newton? what do you want to say? thank you, cam newton. go cam newton and the panthers. you don t like the eagles? know. that wasn t really from newton but it all worked out anyway. the carolina panthers tweeted can side and took them out with a new one. enjoy your new signed cam newton new jersey. that is all the time i have tonight. shannon bream and the fox news that may team, take it from here. we begin with a fox news alert. looking for a suspect believed armed and dangerous a manhunt is underway in california for man authorities say is an illegal immigrants wanted in connection with the murder of a police officer. shot while working overtime on christmas night. the president weighing in on the tragedy and the partial government shutdown over border wall funding, his comments and the latest on the search for the suspected copula coming up. later as donald trump s serious strategy dividing the gop, surprise decision catering to his america first voters but has the president lost an important part of his base? 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