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Of this place, why would this be happening in mali? what is the situation there? well, you have a witches brew of terror groups there. sometimes isis, some tied to al qaeda. i m sure paul will detail behind this attack and this is a place france deployed ground troops. this debate about ground troops in iraq and syria, france felt the need to deploy ground troops two years ago there to fight islamist forces there and still have them. the u.s. has ten, not a big number, but they re training mali forces, because, again, it s a priority for the u.s. they know they need help on the ground there. to place a target. if you have the french, the u.s., it becomes a target. absolutely. tell us, who could these guys be, paul? well, you re looking at isis or you re looking at al qaeda alliance groups. on the isis side of the ledger, there was a major group, a powerful group in mali that in may of this year declared a legion to al baghdadi, head of isis, and movement in jihad in ....
Wake-up call about the depth and breadth about the war against isis. reverberations around europe and center the united states. a major kroefrconfrontation whao about isis and syrian refugees, personification of the risk for americans over 53% who say they shouldn t be allowed to enter country. certainlypluralitiy of governors saying the same. let s have this discussion. mike rodgers, commentator and former chair of the house intelligence committee, mike, you know this situation very well. you ve served as a mentor for me and others on it. let s have the discussion. you make the points of fact and policy that you believe encouraged this position of keeping the refugees out, and i ll give what are the pushback points on that, ignore these sirens going by now. part of the new normal in and ....
They re going floor by floor, it s fluid, but in the situation like this, what are the countermeasures. this is a mumbai-style attack. right? in fact, many parallels. a number of gunmen taking over a hotel. we talked how european, u.s. officials worried about just that kind of attack for months. we saw that in effect on the streets of paris on friday. it a great way to grab attention, to kill a lot of people, and to hold their attention for some time. that s one thing to keep in mind. the other thing to keep in mind, terrorism is a competitive game. right? we don t know of any tie to isis to this. in fact, it s more likely to be al qaeda and the islamic maghreb. al qaeda conscience how isis has stolen the attention. right? it s stolen the world stage, and we ve seen this before. one group attacks. the other still tries to establish its relevance. we ve seen al sa rauhi to perk up from his cave in afghanistan, pakistan and say we re still ....
Conclusion? the conclusion is, these people who go over to join isis are not religious people, these are not muslims they are psychopaths and belong to a sect. what many people, muslim leaders and others are starting to say. a death cult. it is a kind of cult and many of these people are very troubled and even their own families calling them sociopaths, psychopaths, like abaaoud s family. of course it s not the muslim community, but it is those who hijacked the book for their own gang-land, let s wave clikalash around, and led by charismatic people who have global totalitarian ambitions that is abu bag rabb bhdadbaghdadie. we have to report both sides ....
Who had some knowledge of english, but the fact they would be speaking english together suggests maybe anglo in some way. westerners have been trying to join these groups in the region. remember that attack on the gas facility, there were canadians involved. westerners on the side of the terrorists involved in that attack. some part of the world, jim sciutto, doesn t mean you are from that part of the world, in terms of are joining one of these terror teams? no question. one thing we know about all of these groups, they re very international and have an ability to attract western recruits. we certainly see that with isis. i would fwheet we re ssay what the lobby, saw them, the new react terror tactic, get in early. you don t wait, negotiating, set up a cordon, you know these groups kill first and negotiate later if they negotiate at all. that s important. the second thing i would say is ....