and economy r they right? hi, everybody, i m david asman, let s focus with mr. steve forbes, elizabeth, sabrina and bruce jackson, steve, spend more? dave, unfortunately we will have to spend more and a lot more under barack obama the budget declined, a couple of hundred billion dollars, trump is increasing it but not nearly enough, we need more ships, we need more equipment and we need to maintain what we have which we haven t done in recent years, we also need radical reform of procurement system which wastes $25 billion a year. a lot has to be done. john, look at the percent of gdp that we spend in military hardware, it has come way down. we had the peace dividend during the clinton years after the end of the soviet union, that s when the big dip happened and we built up after 9/11 and it s come down again. coming down from a very high level. even now we spend more on the military annually than the next seven largest spending countries combined. david: they re not spending a lot, john. i would add in this case, that our military from 1945 from the north koreans and a ruler that have none at all in the first place. david: military hardware of the united states is terribly out of date and some of it just can t work. we have 50% of all our b-1 bombers can t fly. we have 70% of u.s. marine corps fighter jets can t fly, we have all these accidents happening with the marine ospri, with e need to fix this stuff. i agree with you, we need to get military spending back up to 4%. you look historically, david, our country has been the safest and we ve gotten into fewer conflicts when military spending was higher than lower, at all, that s a problem. that s astonishing those findings, we need to give the men and women the best they need to do the job that we have asked them to do. i agree with you, david, i agree with steve and mike, it s going to be difficult to get to even 3% of gdp on defense spending the way this congress has been. i think that defense spending, correct me if i m wrong, down. mattis going to silicon valley, that s the way to spend smart. i do think there s a lot of fat marble through the defense and you can t compare countries to countries because purchasing power, they could have better technology versus what s going on, our technology with our defense department. it is true, bruce, that like any bureaucracy the pentagon spends on wasteful programs, we know the stories. again, we have to do something to get it up to date. well, i think it all depends on what is the price tag on the cost of fire and fury and locked and loaded. i don t know that the president has revealed that yet but president obama in 2014 talked about upgrading the nuclear arsenal and outside experts said that would be a trillion dollars in spending over 30 years and we heard people on the right saying that was too much. that seems like more than enough. steve, maybe it s just coincide ens coincidence but whenever we stop spending in the military, whenever that number comes down, somebody takes advantage of us. when you have a strong arms forces, you do have a tendency to have a more peaceful world, no? that s true, david. after the ball of the berlin wall, that is not the case, unfortunately barack obama let the military slide even more. we have a lot of updating we have to do, procurement we have to do and training of our people has not been done the way it should have been done. john, what do you think? i see the other coincidence that every time we elevate the leader of irrelevant country they tend to play into our elevation of them and i think we are doing this year. history where we have underestimated the damage that a tyrant can do like adolf hitler. i don t think that was our war either. if the desire is more spending now, simple answer is this, tell china this is your problem, in turn for you taking care of what is your problem, we will remove troops from south korea that will save a lot of money and file it back in the military. i don t know. i believe history with underestimating the damage that tie reants do. steve mentioned after the fall of the berlin wall, same thing happened after world war i. elizabeth touched on something very, very important which is technology. thank you. i like to see a focus on technology and again, going back to ronald reagan with star wars and brilliant defense system, a lot of people laughed at that and mocking him at first but we got tremendous number of advancements and key negotiating point with the soviet union. bruce, one of our allies, takes advantage, it worked in certain cases, doesn t always work, it s not fail-proof but the fact that it does work it means it saves lives, right? certainly technology, that s the thing when we talk about throwing around the gdp percentages, how do we know that that s even the right measure. i mean, if there s if we have technology that can, you know, do cyber-attacks which can be less expensive and save lives why not pursue it? my rule of thumb since regan days if we have enough bombs to blow up the world enough times over, i think that s enough. is that simplistic? yes, it is, you re not going to love nuclear wbr id= wbr4980 /> weapons on cuba and north korea if you can avoid it. by the way, cutting down we cut back sharply after world war ii so much that that s why north korea invaded south korea with soviet union and china and look at what s left us today. david: steve, excuse me, sabrina, we had the peace deal and lucky to buy into that and then we saw obama and bin laden and others take advantage of it. agree, part of having strong military is also having strong diplomatic core and that s a lot of areas that we are seeing cuts. recent victory for the trump administration is that they were able to get the united nations 15 to 0 to vote for sanctions /b> and i think that that s something significant that we are not talking about. i think they go hand in hand. david: we have to leave it at that, gang, wbr-id= wbr5580 /> great debate. excessive or appropriate, president trump feuding with senate majority leader mcconnell for saying he has, quote, excessive expectations of congress. someone hearsays the health care industry is proving the president has this one right. that s next. i m goin up the country, baby don t you wanna go? i m goin up the country, baby don t you wanna go? geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. has not received any orders in regards to venezuela and the military is ready if called upon. i m elizabeth prann, for all your headlines log onto foxnews.com. critics are call to go ditch mitch over this. part of the reason, i think, that the story line is that we haven t done much is because in part the president and others have set these early timelines about things need to be done by a certain point. now wbr-id= wbr8250 /> our new president has not been in this line of work before and i think had excessive expectations of how quickly things happen. excessive, republicans be able to replace obamacare in seven years and six months they ve had to do it is excessive? that remark is not sitting well with the president and mike, you don t blame it, explain. david, i certainly don t. it s ridiculous that the republicans in congress could not replace obamacare with all the time they ve had. i totally, totally blame the republicans, we knew the democrats would not be for anything that went further away from single payer. trump is absolutely right. trump is at its best when he takes case directly to the american people which is what he s doing here. these people, these republicans who failed to get obamacare through, they re going to be replaced. david: what do you think, who is right, the president or mcconnell? i think let me back up. we don t like the nasty blame game, right, it s really nasty what s going on in congress with the president right now. the gop did campaign for seven years and got campaign donations saying repeal and replace, but i have to say, you do not attack your senate quarterback when you only have a slim majority of 52 in the senate and with john mccain being ill unfortunately and i like what ronald reagan said 11th commandant, thall shall not insult fellow republicans. i don t like them shooting the same tent. republicans need to get a move on in the congress. david: john, you know, this president came in saying he was going to clear the swamps out and like him or not, mcconnell has been in those swamps for a long time and for him to call the president having excessive expectations for some that have been talking about for seven years. they would have come with equally silly idea, but what they should have done is have a bill on trump s desk the day he was inaugurated, he would have signed it and been over with, two years to find a new health care bill. i do understand why trump is doing this. he wants to set expectations high. i don t like legislation for presidents but i can see why he s doing what he s doing. steve, it wasn t just president trump who was talking with excessive expectations, mitch mcconnell himself, we are going to get it done by now. the house representatives did pass a health care bill, they are going to pass tax bill in september, they are acting more like fake senators instead of real senators. come on, guys, why are you taking a five-week vacation. you look at polls concerns the number one concern, they should get to it. i think john is correct, crazy, insane that republicans didn t have their act together and weren t ready to go on day one, that being said, i m slightly sympathetic to mcconnell. this is a man who was able to hold supreme court nomination process for an entire year, i think he does sort of understand how this process works and that s where the president sometimes needs to pick up on that. of course, remember how he did it, he switched from super majority to a plain majority. that was a good effort but shouldn t he put in more of an effort with regard to obamacare? for example, we have 6.5 million people that we know had to pay a fine in 2016 for pulling out of health care. november 1, that s when we have enrollment for obamacare again, we may have millions of people having to pay fines again. it s not going to happen. i think trump must be quite hold on a second, you think they are going to fix it before november? i don t think they are going to fix it before november. trump has to realize that he should be quite envious of the party loyalty that predecessor had eight years ago and now attacking people that used to be loyal to him, i think the problems are going to get worse. a nasty shotgun marriage. half of all foreclosures in the country, people faced medical costs, they are facing bankruptcy from it. that s the important fact. another 10% increase in premiums next year. john tammy said and rightly so, obamacare will belly up any, imploding, the problem that trump is facing is not that mcconnell is not a good tactician, he s an excellent tactician, the problem is the republican party by in large has shifted from ronald reagan s day where the majority was liberty and freedom towards a big government party. the one thing that ronald reagan did that was different, he claimed to come in and clean the swamp but did so with smile on the face and without nasty rhetoric. do you think trump needs to do that? i think you will see him do that specially in tax issue which he does care about, the administration is involved working with republicans and so it s very different on what happened in health care. very good. the bottom of the hour, trish, what do you have? hi, there, david, john kelly telling white house staffers to put country first and stop the leaks. why someone hearsays we won t be able to stop north korea if they don t stop those leaks. plus, chicago suing the justice department as the white house threatens to withhold some of its funding along with other cities protecting illegal immigrants committing crimes, we are asking who is right, i will see you at 11:30. up here first not just deals with north korea coming back to haunt us, some say there s also costly lesson to what happened to american diplomats in cuba. that s coming up next hi. i m the one clocking in. when you re clocking out. sensing your every move and automatically adjusting to help you stay effortlessly comfortable. there. i can also help with this. does your bed do that? 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we have to keep it. that are tasting freedom, the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak, and the more we expose government with corruption and violence, the better. looks like they are attacking our diplomats. steve is right, i think the state department should put travel adviserry, when you go to havana, your dollars help pay for recall s torture chambers. bruce, truth in advertising maybe keep it open, folks, look, these guys are real tough cookies? well, i suppose you could do that, we could return to the days of cuba when [laughter] the god father cus pretty good back then. go ahead. no, exactly. the russians have embassy down there, it could be a multiple things. you re a big free market guy, would the free market cure this ill or not? you can t do business with the commu people doing cuba, i m not going back there until the family moves back. [laughter] i see you smiling. that s ridiculous, stay open to them. our way will ultimate win, cuba is going down. steve, again, you are also a big free market, the opening worked with a place like china, why won t it work with cuba? because china wanted on opening, china wanted to become part of economy, castro does not, he wants a close society, get what he can from the rest of the world and keep repressive regime. there s no freedom in cuba. come on, guys. names they say will calm your nerves in the never-racing times, that s next e. that s cool. i got a new helmet. we know steve. switching to allstate is worth it. so wouldn t it be perfect if. ..there was a single site. .where you could find the. .right hotel for you at the best price? there is. because tripadvisor now compares. .prices from over 200 booking.
have heard from president trump, his words of bringing people together but think about what matters, we thank you so much for being with us tonight at nationals park on this beautiful summer evening as we celebrate what s good the paradigm good evening everybody and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, i m ed henry in from out of the bullpen, where broadcasting live from nationals park site of tonight s baseball game, the game is going on despite yesterday s attack on g.o.p. lawmakers, steve scalise, the wounded republican leaders said they wanted it to go forward. we will be showing you the exclusive interview with fred warmbier, the father of otto warmbier who was detained in north korea, just release in cincinnati, listen to this. were taking at a moment at a time to my dad time. we re going to support each other like we agreed to do and we are adjusting right now. were adjusting to a different reality. will bring you the rest of the interview a little later, the game is on it s very interesting, despite yesterday s assassination attempt and that s what it was on several members of the republican teen, house majority whip steve scalise remained hospitalized, alive, in critical condition after undergoing his third surgery today. his absence from tonight s game, and a sad irony. he was known as one of the speediest players on the g.o.p. squad and a secret weapon is a pinch runner. he scored four runs in seven games over the years. now for more on tonight s game, fox s peter doocy is down here behind me and you and i have been talking and texting one another, we were very moved by that first pitch. just to members of the republican team and the democratic team a few minutes before they were set to start all gathered and took a knee for a prayer at second base which would have been where the majority whip steve scalise would have been playing tonight. he is 5 miles away in critical condition at the hospital receiving treatment for a very serious wound to the right hip and everything internally that has been affecting him since. the last thing the republican team did before they took the field, they were all introduced. steve scalise was introduced, they put a big picture of him up on the jumbotron. everyone from the republican team that was lined up across the diamond, third base to first base turned around and they waved at him. that s another bipartisan moment here. members of the left-leaning party, emma kratz come up members of the right leading party, or hooligans are all on the right-field line, everybody stood and cheered. it was the second longest standing ovation tonight. i believe that our producer counteracted 42 seconds, that was a moment that unified everyone here. people wondered if it will get people to set aside some of the really nasty political rhetoric, something interesting maybe it s meaningful, maybe it s not. people are into this game. i ve been to these games before where people aren t paying attention. every single thing that has happened tonight, people are on the edge of their seats, a lot of cheering. a lot of applause, everyone seems like they are right on top of what s happening. it s a close one, three happened to come of the democrats are up a run in the second. ed: republicans are up 2-0, now democrats are three have a two. i asked him who is going to win because markey said america, maybe that s the spirit of unity will live on. yesterday s shooting was committed by a fervent progressive but the media are trying to label republicans as the violent ones. today the new york times said there was a clear link between sarah palin political insight months, and the 2011 shooting of congresswoman gabby giffords, and democrats. one problem, that alleged link between palin and the attack on giffords was debunked years ago. the claim is basically fake news, literally fake news. charles krauthammer is a writer and columnist, he joins us live now. what do you make of the new york times putting out this editorial that quite frankly is embarrassing, for them years later to still be pushing this false narrative for just 24 hours after a former bernie sanders supporter tried to assassinate republican members of congress. it s completely egregious, it s not just that it s been debunked six years later, it was debunked within three days. i remember writing a column for days after the attack in which it was absolutely, totally obvious that the shooter was a paranoid skits are frantic. he had no idea what was going on. if what his teachers had said, he was living in his own world. at the time, this is with most egregious people don t even remember the day after the shooting, the times ran in its news section on the front page, he had labeled news analysis and introduce this false idea that jared lautner the shooter was motivated by this thing on the website that showed the bull s-eyes for 20 districts. he was not driven to the crime by a climate of hate because as everyone who knew him and testified at the time was saying, this man created his own climates. he was a classic paranoid schizophrenic. that the times should a drag this out six years later was amazing. even the correction was mealymouthed and halfhearted, no connection was proved. no connection was possible, the man was a paranoid psychotic. ed: it goes deeper than that because the house democratic leader nancy pelosi comes out today when we heard a peter doocy reporting how to lawmakers in both parties say maybe they re going to come together, maybe there unified. she attacks fox news, and she says republicans have been more responsible than democrats for this violent rhetoric. why within 24 hours is she trying to keep score? this is a reflex, i see it among democrats. it is true to some extent among republicans, this sort of vitriol in our politics is not unilateral. when you get the leadership within one day of an event like this, let s remember, she s a democrat and the shooter came out and said of those republicans or democrats on the field, this isn t a guy who went out to shoot people. this is a guy who went out to shoot republican people. if you re a democrat, he watched to have at least the decency to wait a while before leveling accusations. i do believe that the leadership were more careful, if they were less ad hominem in their arguments as i was saying earlier in a special report, if they were less apocalyptic in speaking about the other side, it s the end of the world. climate change is not you don t listen to me on climate change or a denier like a holocaust denier. if that language weren t like that, we would have a beginning of a de-escalation and that s what we need. ed: i have one minute, the shooter in this case is now dead also has facebook posts where he was discussing in his attacks. you ve raised questions before about president trump whether he wants to bring people together or not, is it an opportunity for him he gave strong remarks yesterday about unity and a video here at the game, is this an opportunity for the president here? there is and i think you rose to the occasion and the remarks he made before. he s not blameless, this is not a one party thing. he was quite aggressive in the campaign, he says he s a fighter, a counter puncher. he was even aggressive against his republican colleagues, his republican opponents. i think this is a time when we can all look back and say neither side here is blameless, time to do the obvious to declare a kind of armistice on the vitriol in the apocalyptic rhetoric and it simply say we are a republic, we have the loyal opposition, let s be loyal, let s be civil on both sides. i think it can be done, i don t despair this. i think may be in an event like this, perhaps it will have to be some other event which would be tragic. perhaps that can happen, i m sure the country would appreciate it. ed: you re absolutely right right. neither side is blameless. let me say i have been watching the game. there is a hell of a lot of stealing going on down there. i d keep my eye on that. ed: who s stealing come of the democrats or republicans? who s stealing more? equal opportunity stealing and we have catchers who are somewhat superannuated if i can be kind. ed: it s been a difficult 24 hours or so, maybe we can have a little bit of liberty, we appreciate that. up ahead, will have tucker s exclusive interview with fred warmbier. charles is a big baseball fan come on a baseball fan, we ll talk about that and we ll talk about the assassination attempt in the near tragedy there that preceded it, will talk to congressman jack burkman, he was an eyewitness to yesterday s shooting. my business was built with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that s why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. which adds 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from nationals park where republicans and democrats are uniting to play in the annual congressional baseball game, obviously a much different atmosphere right now because of what happened yesterday will get into that in a moment. right now, american citizen otto warmbier returned to the u.s. two nights ago but in extremely poor health. in a moment, you re going to see tucker s exclusive interview with his father, but first today, a doctor at the university of cincinnati medical center described his dire condition. he shows no signs of understanding language, responded to verbal commands or awareness of his surroundings. this study showed extensive loss of brain tissue in all regions of the brain. ed: tucker sat down yesterday with fred warmbier, otto s father for an exclusive interview, take a look. thanks for having us in your house. tell us about being reunited with otto last night. okay, last night, being able to see him for the first time in i bet it s 18 months, it was fantastic. i was not in great shape and he s been through a real tough time, and it s great to have him with us and i m very proud of him. tucker: do you know what happened to them in north korea? i don t. watching his confession and seeing the things that we ve seen in north korea none of which was true and then hearing what i think they said with him apparently the day after he was sentenced, he went into a coma for whatever for some reason. i don t have any particulars. i wouldn t trust that. listen, tucker, he has been terrorized and brutalized for 18 months by a pariah regime in north korea. we re thrilled to have him home. he s with his family, his mom is with him right now and i ll be with him later on today. tucker: has the government helped you along the way? i hesitate they have. i have to thank joe yuan. he got involved i don t know when, a month or two ago, contacted us. and said he was going to work for us. and his mission was to bring otto home. tucker: who is he? he s an ambassador in the state department, i believe he took over for ambassador king, very helpful for cindy and i and we are really thankful for him. we are also thankful for rex to listen and president trump. they wanted him home and i believe they made this happen. we are thankful for that. tucker: you said once this process is over, you hope to get back to being a family and living a conventional life. what do you think the lessons of this are? why does this happen? being in the wrong place the lesson of autos captivity in north korea that s going to be for others to decide. the warmbier s have been living with this situation for 18 months. if there is no meaning, this is a rogue pariah regime. they are terrorist, they re brutal, there is no to anything here. they have crossed the line with my son and so, it would be very different to look for a lesson here. amongst this insanity. i m not looking for a lesson. i want to support otto. i want to support my other children, my community, i m proud of the way everyone has handled this and i m so grateful that he s with us, he s with people who love him now. that means a lot to us. tucker: has your family holding up? we are doing okay. i worry about cindy a little bit, i think she worries about me. we are taking it a moment at the time, a day at a time and we re going to support each other like we agreed to do, and were adjusting right now, we are adjusting to a different reality. and it was one that i didn t know about. we found out about this tuesday night a week ago. via a phone call from joe yuan. then cindy and i felt shocked we have not felt in a long time and we re still going through that. but otto is with us. that is the important thing here, he is an amazing kid. we re fortunate that we live in an amazing community and people that support us in love and care for us. tucker: you found out on tuesday out of the blue? there were some meetings between the state department in north korea, some diplomatic meetings in other countries. and quite honestly they wanted to know about otto. there was nothing forthcoming and i m sure it was not going to move forward unless they talked about otto. i think our government forced north korea s hand and made them admit his situation. tucker: there are other americans being held in north korea, at least three, may be more. do you have advice for their families? no. no, i would not i can t recommend any i don t know what to say. i wouldn t know what to say to them. they can use us as an example and they can make their own decisions. we tried to do the right thing and here we are today. i don t know what the answers are. i ve been told not precedented. his situation, his treatment by the north koreans is unprecedented spread i don t have advice for anybody. tucker: thank you, fred. ed: really good stuff from tucker there, i was moved as well when fred showed up at the news conference with a suit jacket that otto war back in north korea when he had to deal with that kangaroo courts. he got a very emotional, when he talked about wearing his sons and suit jackets. in the interview, tucker and fred continued the conversation in his childhood bedroom where it got emotional as well. tucker: this is what you found in otto s bag? these are his belongings, he had a duffel bag and then his bookbag, there was a pouch here that some things were in. his passport, this was his calculator he was going to be doing a finance class there. this is his crazy shirt and the ties, it looked like he was packing for a three month trip. tucker: he was in china and he just took a couple day he took a young pioneers and tour with a group of young people, he was over there with them. these are the clothes that he took, they were packed up. they were mostly when we took them out, they ve been in the back for a long time. this is typical of otto, he has a lot of cool stuff to wear and some meat she was and of course he had running shoes, he loved to run. he s an excellent shape. there is his wallet and i guess he had some money. that s what they sent him home with. tucker: looks like a straight arrow kid from the spread of it s pretty straightforward. but from the thrift store. he looked good in them. tucker: you going over to see them quick mark as soon as were finished, i m good to see him, and were going to read to them and talk to them, make them feel at home. let him know he s around people who love him quite tell mike most important thing we can do. tucker: god bless you for letting us in. you ve been a huge supporter for us and otto and we can t thank you enough. thanks. ed: the story about a family coming together in america today, there s another family behind made this coming together come of the congressional family, democrats, republicans normally at each other s throat, we re here live at nationals park in washington, d.c., the democrats are winning right now 3-2. you ve got cedric richman at the plate, you can see him running down, he s 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play because they are senators, these guys can really, really play, they all have a lot of pop in their the katella terms of their baseball lingo, all have their cut off man, they re laying out at shortstop, just because you re a senator and you want to play it doesn t seem like it would let you one. ed: right now the democrats are four-2. both sides take a lot of pride in this, they were the stirrups, they wear the uniform whether it s the yankees are the mets, they even get her on the mound mound, it s like their heyday. if they want their lost youth. while they are all a plan, we are less than two days removed from the tragedy in alexandria, trent kelley the third baseman for the republicans tag somebody out, to get one of the democrats out who had been in a pickle, a guy who was caught between second and third base, he was by all accounts the closest person to the 66-year-old gunman yesterday. his morning started yesterday, he was so close to someone who will want to do because so much pain and harm to republican lawmakers the democrats are sitting on the left-field side in the republic after sitting on the right field side. it s been talk a little bit about the charity come up much people on social media have been asking how they can contribute as well. they noted on the top of the hour, a lot more money has poured in it for these charitie charities. sadly because of what happened yesterday, on the other hand it s almost a silver lining that people are coming together and they re giving a lot more money. people can go to the website, there s a congressional baseball website, congressional baseball.org. i just tried to check it out to see if there had been an update about the fundraising total, but the website seems to have crashed. if you want to talk about a lot of people across the country who may be interested in helping out these charities including this year for the first time the capital police memorial fund. it seems like there may be a lot of people already trying to do that. it s not just individuals. corporations stepped up in a big way between yesterday and the start of today s game, donating over a million dollars for the game even started, they goes to four different charities all benefiting mostly people in the washington, d.c., area. ed: as you re talking all caps of excitement breaking out. i saw one of the democrats slide in face first into home, you don t normally see that on capitol hill. the democrats having a rally here. they are up 7-2, what is going on? you getting any insight, what can the republicans do, is there any secret weapon in the bullpen, they have to do something. i think of the democrats are able to win by sliding into home plate, we might start to see some of that on capitol hill. they don t control either house of congress but somebody can slide in towards kevin mccarthy s desk on the floor headfirst just to get his attention at least, i m not sure. the capital is only a couple of blocks away, it s not so far-fetched. ed: joe donnelly, the senator from indiana, a democrat is up to the plate now. it s been a lot of excitement early on, not just on the field, before the game started, very moving with the first pitch. that s prayer around a second base as we get into the top of the fourth inning of the game, what happened is downright remarkable. these lawmakers to put in a lot of effort in this game and practicing and getting ready, they did all gather democrats and republicans in a prayer circle at second base which is where the majority whip steve scalise played in at least seven games. he s one of the stars for the republican team. everyone here is thinking of him, they put his picture up on the jumbotron, he got a 42 seconds standing ovation. the republicans were all standing on the field waiting wt that photo, he is 5 miles away. we did get an update from the hospital a few minutes ago. they say that he is doing better than last night. they do still anticipate he is going to be in the hospital for a while longer. not a whole lot of detail but that is the update tonight. ed: some good news there, i came out of the bullpen, for tucker carlson. you are our utility player. as we get back to some updates but also some serious news as were happy to hear that statement from the hospital that his neck surgery, the latest surgery has been completed. a long way still to go. president trump in the business of the nation is going forward, he lashed out at the media and hillary clinton as new leaks report he is under investigation for potential obstruction of justice. we ll talk the whole thing over with byron york. more live coverage of tonight s professional baseball game, thea big crowd here, but 25,000 here, we re going to get you all the highlights. tom tom rooney a republican from florida up to bat dear predictable, there s no other way to say this. it s over. i ve found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say.if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia and pay attention. every single one of you is on our list. for those who won t rest until the world is healthier, neither will we. optum. how well gets done. they talk about obstruction, that from the present day, does the president have a point or should he move on? both are true, team clinton did do all of those thing, they did it smack those telephones with a hammer, bill clinton did meet with loretta lynch and the attorney general, all of that stuff really did happen and he had to should move on as well. those are not cases that are going to be relevant either to the russia case or to the obstruction of justice case or anything that s going on right now. it kind of amounts to what about his him from the president on this? question. ed: the president had another leak dropped on him but the washington post, this one dropped on him, robert mueller looking at obstruction of justice charges, and others in a report breaking tonight for the website saying robert mueller this special counsel is also investigating the business dealings of jared kushner, a top white house aide and that s son-in-law of the president. what do you make about this drumbeat of leaks that has simply not stopped? we were told when he got up and running these leaks would stop because he d run such a tight ship. maybe not really up and running yet but the leaks haven t stopped. i think the biggest thing it shows is the indisputable truth about washington investigations. they do not contract, they do not shrink, they expand. they almost always expand. the question here is what is not under his purview right now? he can look into a lot of things, he seems to be casting a pretty wide net. real quickly we got about a minute, i want to be fair to jared kushner, his attorney is put out a statement tonight saying in part we do not what did mike know what this report is referring to, it will be standard practice for the council to examine financial records looking for anything related to russia. isn t that also true for robert mueller looking at potential obstruction of justice? once he was fired to that was good to be looked at. it doesn t mean obstruction was committed to. the democratic theory if you will is that trump and trump company had some sort of financial interest in all of this, they wanted to kill me, they wanted him to stay away from their dealings with russia russia, we don t know what mueller is thinking right now. we do have indications that he is going to be looking at a lot of stuff like financial transactions from people around trump. ed: byron york we appreciate you joining us tonight. we know teddy roosevelt has won the race and presidents, the character representing teddy roosevelt won, he typically does not win, up next a big night for tucker as well. he s going to join us and he sat down with oliver stone to talk about his four hour documentary with russian president vladimir putin. it s controversial and that interview is next .it s how well you mow fast. they re not just words to mow by, they re words to live by. the john deere ztrak z345r with the accel deep deck to mow faster, better. save 500 dollars on the z525e ztrak residential mower at your john deere dealer today. ed: that s the one and only oliver stone, his latest flick of the put in interviews four hour documentary airing on showtime. if tucker sat down to ask him about washington s war on president trump and a lot more. do you spend 20 hours interviewing vladimir putin, pulls in the last year have shown a growing sense among americans that russia is our chief enemy, it comes becomes of media pressure and the amount of interviews given by the government calling them the number one existential threat. tucker: what s the motive? why would the press you re saying the american press is creating antagonism or doesn t naturally exist. it s the american government and the american press is two cents represents a corporate government point of view. it s in our interest to have enemies. russia has always been an enemy. tucker: s liberals who are mad at you, i ve seen an hour of it and it is friendly. they are attacking you as a lapdog of putin that you ve sold out you ve got not hostile reception, i ve always thought it of you as a part of the american left. nothing is as it seems, there s all because of fracturing. much of the progressive left divorced from hillary clinton in the election, people like myself went to third party. the reason was she had become in the last 20 years has become a neoconservative, she has backed all the neocon invasion of libya, the destruction of libya which is crucial. she backed the iraqi war resolutions operative she has been a major figure in attacking the syrian sovereignt sovereignty. we ve destroyed the sovereignty of these countries in the middle east, libya, iraq, and are now in syria. or we re trying to destroy syri syria. if this crumbles, the middle east crumbles. and the world order which is very important to mr. putin, a sense of law, a sense of fundamental principles has gone out the window. tucker: that s the opposite of the way he s presented here, he s presented as an autocrat who doesn t care about law and who hacked our democracy and undermined our election. we don t know that were told that. tucker: do believe that courts mark you re jumping around but we have to have evidence. there s a thin amount of evidence. it s been told to us by three agencies, the cia, the nsa and the fbi. it was told to us in january a few days before mr. trump came into office. it was called an assessment, the report itself if you read it i think steven cohen has pointed out to you, it s not an intelligence estimates. it doesn t have dissent it doesn t have the kind of information that is required. as sy hirsch said it was a joke. he calls john brennan the head of the cia as creating a fear and a paranoia without evidence at a time when a transition but it s very imported american democracy that we trust our leader. trump was slapped in the face two weeks to go, this thing is serious, it s calling him a manchurian candidate. that s as hostile as it s ever been in a transition. tucker: you ve seen that again and again. there was just a story out to that the in two trump headed by robert mueller, apparently fbi agents are leaking details to the press and you re seeing leaks from all the intel agencies come it seems like they re trying to change their policies, does that surprise yo you? the overtness of it does. if the investigation were to continue, i think they have to go back to the origins of that leak in january. who put out that information. who gave it to the new york times, the washington post back channel, you have to ask these questions. it seems as if some people have said the deep estate, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence agencies have their own position of head headed for many years and they continue to promote the wars that they do in all these countries. even obama said i want to close guantanamo, i want to cut out on a gap afghanistan, he didn t do it. you have to ask yourself who is one of the country. if you need a thorough examination of what s going on. i m shocked at what the cia did and what brennan did, it seemed like he was very hostile. i think comey carried out. it was comey who influence the election, it was his declaration that the investigation on clinton had been dropped and then he reopened it three weeks or two weeks before. tucker: have you talked to president trump of the last year? i directed him in a film, wall street, money never sleeps. it was a deleted scene, not his fault. it was interesting to work with him for that day as an actor. he s still an actor. tucker: oliver stone, good to see a period of ed: we are in the fifth inning stretch here at nationals park, what is more baseball, what is more americana than 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they did not defund planned parenthood. they definitely don t want to build a border wall. but now almost ten months into the republican congress, top republicans on capitol hill have finally found an issue they can really rally around. preserving president obama s immigration policy. the trump administration has announced that next tuesday will decide the fate of daca, the obama era program which apparently illegally gives work permits to illegal immigrants who arrived in the country as children. killing that program would fulfill one of the term campaigns promise. it would also fit with the republican party s stated position against amnesty and in favor of enforcing the law rather than granting politicized immunity. scrambling to preserve daca. this morning in a radio interview, speaker paul ryan begged the president to keep the program in place until congress can pass a bill granting amnesty to the illegal immigrants daca covers. i actually don t think you should do that. i believe that this is something congress has to fix. tucker: speaker ryan is not alone in that position. of colorado, he says he wants to force a vote on the so-called bridge act, a democratic crafted bill that would give sanction to the daca. lindsey graham is backing the same bill in the senate. of north carolina, crafting amnesty legislation he s calling conservative. a conservative alternative to daca. according to news accounts, it would give 2.5 million to illel immigrants a pathway to citizenship if they lack a serious criminal background. an avid supporter of letting low-wage workers into this country. don t count on his legislation doing anything to stem the future flow of illegal immigrants. beers supposedly this is supposedly the conservative position. the only thing it preserves is obama s immigration policy. he promised that he opposed amnesty, thom tillis. in the border had to be secure before any kind of immigration reform became law. it looks like he didn t mean any of that. we asked senator tillis to come on tonight. he declined. we bet if we asked him or any other pro-amnesty republican on the hill, what is wrong with enforcing immigration laws on the books? they tell you it s cruel to deport people who have lived here for a while. okay, fair point. it be easier to take if our elite showed a similar concern for hurting american citizens and there are many of those. like the 14 million on disability, one in six on antidepressants. more than 50,000 who died of drug overdoses just in the last year. almost as many as were killed during the entire decade of the vietnam war. you hear about those people occasionally in washington. you hear what those poor daca kids deal with a lot more. donald trump ran with almost no support from the republican establishment. in many cases, they actively denounced him. he won because his campaign promises had appeal. rather than take advantage of their good luck and whether they ought to try to help the president achieve those campaign promises, republicans have repeatedly showed their campaign pledges were lies and their chief interest is not protecting the dieting donor class that funds are campaigns. no wonder congress approval ratings are generally lower than those of the historically popular president. when a bunch of republicans are crushed in next fall s congressional election, they will try to blame the president. it might have been easier to listen to the president s voters. an illegal immigrant and despite that, a licensed attorney in the state of new york he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. thank you for having me, tucker. tucker: every time we ve had a conversation about daca or the dreamers, a lot of of these people are worthy, decent, americans essentially i agree with all that. i think there are a lot of decent people caught up in this and i feel sorry but i also think there s a principle here that we should not ignore. i m wondering if we give amnesty to the people president obama gave amnesty to, who were brought here by their parents, when does that stop or do we owe citizenship to anyone under 18 who makes it into this country illegally? what are the parameters? no one s giving amnesty to anyone. amnesty means you are forgiving someone s pretty much whether it s a crime or offense. what the president did, that s amnesty. what we are seeing on immigration, it s giving us a pass to legal status. earning our opportunity to be in this country. that s a whole different aspect than amnesty. we are not asking any free time. we are not asking just give me free citizenship or a free green card. give me an opportunity to prove i am contributing to the country. let me give you the chance to become a real u.s. citizen. tucker: i m not contesting that a lot of these people are good people. and probably are serving the country in one way or another. it s amnesty and special treatment. if i m coming from any other country in the world, i have to go through a process. it can t be here while i go through this process. these people aren t having to do that. they are getting special treatment. let s not pretend and let s not lie about it. it is amnesty. if it wasn t, leave the country and reapply like everyone else. you are pointing out to something so insignificant. that s right, we should not have people waiting 20-30 years to come here. we should not have a process where people are risking their lives were people are losing their homes, everything just to come here. we should have an opportunity to reform our outdated immigration system. tucker: why? it s our country. we have a right to determine who comes here. you are not saying it s the fault of the united states that people are dying trying to get here. are you? we ve had immigration system that since the early days of the republic, we had italian, german immigrants who were literally jumping ship on ellis island and coming here illegally. what we did? we gave people an opportunity tucker: you re missing my question. you seem to be suggesting that the united states doesn t have a right to make people wait to get citizenship. you also seem to be suggesting that the united states is somehow morally responsible for people dying trying to get here. i just want to make absolutely certain that that s what you re saying. most people would find that ludicrous. no, what i m saying is let s have a system that is up-to-date with our economic demands, up-to-date with our social demands where we are having people coming in from different parts of the world where contribute into the country. tucker: there s no economic demand for low-wage immigration. one in four americans is not working right now. we don t need anymore low-wage workers in this country. though economists will tell you that we do. this is a political demand. president trump who has hired undocumented immigrants. unskilled or sometimes tucker: employers, including you re missing the point. i m trying to make mine. employers are totally in favor of low-wage immigration because it lowers their labor cost. other people are hurt by it. there is no economic imperative to do this but you re still dodging my core question, which is does anyone under 18 who gets to this country illegally have a right to the pathway you just described? is there anybody where we can say you are not here illegally, leave and reapply like everyone else. we know longer have the right to say that the people? we have a right for us to say for myself, for me to be contributing to the country i ll call home i went through the border absolutely. my parents came here crossing the border because they had no legal channel. we are here now. we are contributing. tucker: you are not answering my question. this is our home. tucker: if you know what? you are making an emotional i m trying to have an adult conversation and ask you real questions. you re giving me this this is our home. i m not attacking you personally. there are 320 million people in this country. it s a big country. they want to know, do they have a right to determine who comes here or not? you and a lot of other people on the left are in effect saying no, they don t. if you are not for it, if you are not for illegal immigration you re some kind of bigot. on what grounds are you saying that? don t americans have a right to determine who comes to their country, not your country, america s country. don t they have the right? we are are a nation of immigrants. people have come here illegally and illegally as well. we are going to need a system where our congress and president can come together. my message for your viewers is is not about being an immigrant tucker: you re giving me a nonsense answer. why can t someone looking to camera and say i don t believe in borders. i think they re racist. i m not saying i don t believe in borders. tucker: you are all saying that. our history has had we need to adapt to changing times. that s what we are doing now. tucker: okay. thank you for coming on. john daniel davidson is a senior correspondent at the federalist, which is excellent, by the way. if you don t read it, you ought to. this of the basic test for the republican congress. like a lot of americans, you are confused about what to think of daca. they are on the opposite side of an issue that the president ran on. one of many. at this point, do they have any in common, the president and congress? they seem to be on opposite pages with every single topic. the obamacare debate we had earlier in the year, this is another testament to the dysfunction of the republican congress. and the hypocrisy and political cowardice of g.o.p. leaders in the house and senate. they don t want to vote on this. they don t want to craft a bill that might codify daca into law. by the way, i think we would both agree that daca represents pretty decent policy. it s massively popular. there is a poll that came out earlier saying 80% of americans favor allowing these parents to stay and work and have a pathway for citizenship. it s reasonable but why doesn t congress vote on that? there s an answer it and it goes directly to what you were talking about. the people that congress actually works for, special interests and employers, the establishment, they don t want to vote on this. they don t want to pass immigration legislation. tucker: the average person, again, i m among them feel sorry for people who were brought here as kids. a lot feel like really nice people. an endless chain of sob stories. i m sympathetic. but no one mentioned the principal, under what circumstances are you allowed to come here and stay? is it okay to come here illegally and stay. if that s the rule, what does that mean for us? how will people be living in america 50 years from now? why doesn t anyone articulate clearly what the real rules about immigration ought to be? it s politically difficult. a nonsensical interview where speaker paul ryan said i think congress should be part of the solution. congress is the entire solution. tucker: exactly. that s why he doesn t want to have a vote on it. he doesn t want to vote on it before the 2018 2018 midterms. he doesn t want to be in favor of amnesty or vote that would go against the special interest personal loss that are in love with the status quo and have been for a decade. that s why we ve had this ridiculous conversation for decades and no congress will pass any bill about it. there s real policy solutions as well, down here in texas cross-border commerce and people going back and forth across the u.s.-mexico border, it s been going on for hundreds of years here. we used to have programs that allowed people to come into this country and work and go back to their homes in mexico. it s not unreasonable at the policy. tucker: it s impossible if you re going to basically hold out the fruits of the welfare state to people here illegally, as we do, why would they go back to mexico? they wouldn t. and they are not. tucker: i would like to hear a sane, honest, no b.s. conversation about borders. does the left believe in borders anymore? i do this every night. i don t think they do. frustrating. thank you for joining us. well, a terrible fire has broken out in a chemical plant in texas. we will give you an update on that and all other hurricane harvey related news. coming up. plus, google has become the most influential corporation in america. time for government to consider curtailing that company s power? stay tuned. i m vern, the orange money retirement rabbit, from voya. i m the money you save for retirement. who s he? he s green money, for spending today. makes it easy to tell you apart. that, and i am better looking. i heard that. when it s time to get organized for retirement, it s time to get voya. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we re bringing you america s number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i m proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get. you know win control? 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done. i will be all right. this is our second time in nine years. my wife and i are both retired. we are leaving. we are calling it quits. we are out of here. higher ground. more than 30,000 houses have been severely damaged by the flooding. some of those houses are entirely underwater. it s tough for the people they can t get back, the water is simply too high to get there. they know they ve been hurt but they just don t know yet how badly. tucker, back to you. tucker: steve, i appreciate it. thank you. in a stunning twist, the company with the unofficial motto don t be evil is turning out to be very semester. of course, the motto should have been a tip-off. google fired an engineer simply for writing a reasoned and moderate critique of the company s diversity policies on what was supposed to be an open forum. even employees of other companies aren t safe, it turns out. a nonpartisan think tank, it s work involved promoting opening markets and combating monopolies. part of that work, he praised an antitrust levied against google in europe. it turned out to be one of the think tank funders. google founder eric schmidt expressed his displeasure and a short time later, lynn was fired. it s not hard to imagine a similar situation happening in almost any other organization here in washington. google funds hundreds of nonprofits and think tanks. on the right, they donate to the heritage foundation, the federalist society, americans for tax reform. on the left, the gift of the naacp, the clinton foundation, they donated to libertarians at cato and cato and ironically enough, they gave money to the american antitrust institute. which is hilarious. google spent more than $50 million last year lobbying. third among all corporate lobbyist. this year, they are on track to be number one. even when they don t have money, they have power. google has monopolistic power on web searches, online video and online advertising. the biggest player in email, all my browsers and operating systems. if you have an android phone, google is able to track everywhere you go. not that they would, because they are not evil, remember? they are a company with massive power. more than on the company in history has ever had. they can invade your privacy whenever they want to. maybe it s time to consider putting google and check. a fellow at open markets, he joins us tonight. matt, i was amazed to see how the different think tanks and nonprofits google funds in washington. it answered a question i ve had for years. but if no one ever criticizes the concentration of all this power? it really shows the system that americans are upset about, that it s rigged. this shadow-y d.c. it s funded by big business, monopolies. monopolies are a problem of politics. they are not a business, commerce, they are the control of americans through monopolistic and anticompetitive tactics. tucker: most people look at google and think boy, they provide a great service. their email is fantastic. it is. i use it. their search is the best. why should they be worried about google s power? google has seven products with more than a billion users. the products. youtube is great. gmail is great. a technological marvel. the problem is in the products they produce. the problem is the data gathering and anticompetitive tactics they use to acquire that power into steel revenue from every publisher, producer of revenues and in art and news in. that s a threat to democracy. the idea with traditional antitrust policy, which is designed to slow down the capture of monopoly and restore citizenship and to maintain looks good about these institutions but protect citizens from their overwhelming power. tucker: one of the most basic precepts in government is no government allows institutions to accrue enough power to challenge its authority. yet, our government has allowed google to accumulate this power and has said basically nothing. in a lot of ways, it was an intellectual takeover on the right and left in which we stopped understanding that corporations and banks were part of our political system. in the middle of the century, going back to the founding of the country, there is this understanding that commerce and business needed to be separated from government and that if commercial institutions became too powerful, they were in effect government like entities. you can look at google as a type of concentration of power that is political in nature. not just a commercial or business entity. the first financial crisis and now the growth of these dominant internet platforms that are manipulating americans has brought that tradition back. tucker: i want to tell our viewers, this is a list of all the nonprofits that receive money from google. if you are wondering why google never criticizes google, this might have something to do with it. i am conservatives has traditionally supported big businesses but liberals have been suspicious of corporate power. along comes google, a mass is way more power than rockefeller or carnegie and liberals in my neighborhood never say anything about it. why is that? it s an interesting question. conservative and liberal tradition of antimonopoly thinking there s a pro monopoly tradition on both the right and the left. that s the tradition that s been dominant on both parties. i was probably one of them ten years ago. google s model of don t do evil was the right thing. analyzing the world s information sounds neat. just like that. once you start to see these overwhelming organizations of all information, a lot of things start to change. tucker: it s terrifying. i appreciate you being one of the very people working on this. thank you for coming on. america has taken the cultural revolution quickly spreading beyond confederate monuments. it s now going towards christopher columbus. his legacy. joe piscopo twin to joins us n. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. we spent weeks canvassing the sthe quadranttense. to pinpoint our perfect location. once locked in on our target, we knew we had to move fast. fortunately, we were already pre-approved for a no money down loan with navy federal credit union, and were able to put an offer on this place immediately after it went on the market. i see you dad! how are my tomatoes doing, babe? 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sure, we are all flawed. tucker, new jersey, i have a child at every exit. you ran off of the babysitter. yes, i did. have you seen her? guilty as charged. will i get a rest stop named after me at the new jersey turnpike. after all that? come on. tucker: [laughs] basically it s an attack on the fundamental legitimacy of america. they are making the argument that no one of european descent should be here in the first place. that s exactly right. when my grandparents came over here, i have to tell you, that statue in columbus circle was built in honor of the largest lynching the mass lynching in american history. do you know what it was? italian-americans in new orleans in 1891. a public official was killed. they rounded up all the talents. they said who killed that public official? forgive me, i am such a proud about italian american. it must have been the day goes. they lynched innocent italians. the next year, they build the columbus statue in columbus circle. in new york. to honor them. it was the blue-collar workers, the laborers from italy that came to become american citizens, quarters nickels and dimes and dollars. they raise the money. it was the 1800s version of a go fund me kind of thing. they went in there and tear it down? it takes away the iconic symbol of the italian-american community. i think of my grand parents working so hard, learning the language. we did not protest or put on masks and get violent. we don t hold placards up and say how bad you are. we don t call you racist. we just worked harder and harder, as italian-americans, to make this country great. so proud to be americans. we have to stop at the statue. now they re going to tread on the italian-american community? now you ve got a problem. tucker: i can t wait to see de blasio try this. if he does, we will send cameras. [laughs] he has a vowel at the end of his name. come on. tucker: he s the worst. joe piscopo. your valued defense of christopher columbus. well, the current statute destroying frenzy now a police department being sued for letting the situation spiral out of control. rapper sanchez turner says he was assaulted by whites of premises in charlottesville and police stood aside and watched. mario williams is a lawyer representing turner. he is bankrolling the lawsuit. mario, why are you taking this suit? what happened here is a travesty. we have a situation, i am talking about regardless of race or affiliation, where law enforcement officers stood by and watched people commit hate crimes and violent assaults on other people based on our information and our knowledge, researching these facts, the chief of police and other state law enforcement officials who were warned by the department of health services, warned by dhs who said look, you have a powder keg coming down the street. this is the most explosive situation we ve had in the few months about this clash between counter protesters and protesters not the protesters and protesters. we have a situation you have to control and they do not control it. it wasn t that they did not control it, the issue was they actually had a stand down order. they actually ordered law enforcement. tucker: you know that the mayor s office and governor s office ordered a stand down? the supreme court actually answer that question best. i might not have heard it but demonstrated the evidence has shown it. tucker: a lot of cops are normal guys. i don t think they would stand by unless they had to. you are right. police officers say every day that they will protect us. you can t think that a bunch of police officers got together and said we are going to watch about the protesters get their heads beaten in. we saw the charlottesville police stand-down. why was the order given? there s no way that many police officers with stand-down. it s located about 30 mins from charlottesville, our office. the if this can happen in charlottesville, it can happen anywhere. small town america. we better figure out what happens here, why the police allowed this to get out of control. department of homeland security said this is happening. they knew it was happening. the mayor of charlottesville stood up and said after donald trump selection, our city, charlottesville, will be the capital of the resistance. you stand up and say stuff like that and then you provoke hate filled response to your city and then you ignore it? the guy should resign. tucker: he s way, way over his head. keeping order in in the streets the basic function in society. why bother having a police department if they are not going to stop a riot? i don t understand. i agree with you, tucker. i hate to drive the point home again. department of hold em security told them what was going to happen. told them gave them all the info they needed. why in the world would you not prepared here s one of the craziest things that happened out there. they had a situation where they left the park while people were assaulting each other, to go put on riot gear. can you believe that? tucker: cowardly among other things. that s why they left the park. that s what the chief of police says. we ve seen through this process of interviewing folks and looking at documentation, there s a lot of lying coming out of charlottesville. the mayor is up to his neck and corruption here. this is going to blow up. tucker: it s bipartisan. you are representing a liberal, i think. it doesn t matter. . absolutely. tucker: the basic function of your society. appreciate it. fighting, name-calling, cheating, all things that can lead you in the principal s office but first-graders are being sent there for miss jen during their transgender classmates. we will tell you what exactly happened next. where the heart beats warm and true, that s texas. where we always welcome you, that s texas. where we always find a way, that s texas. integrate any part of your business, and have your systems work as one. the ibm cloud. the cloud for enterprise. yours. year with the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses and automatically adjusts on both sides. the new 360 smart bed is part of our biggest sale of the year where all beds are on sale. and right now save 50% on the labor day limited edition bed, plus 36 month financing. ends monday! tucker: in the state/country/state of mind of california, a first grader was sent to the principal office after she missed standard classmate. when she said hello, she was chastised for not using the boys new female name and feminine pronouns. the executive director of the capitol resource institute has been in contact with the girls parents. it s hard to believe that a first grader would be chastised for this. we know that happened? absolutely we know it happened. tucker, thank you for having us on. i ve seen the emails from the administration to the mother, i talked to the mother at length. they clearly say this poor little first grader who said hello to the boy using this boy s name was chastised on the playground and later called out of class and sent to the principal s office because she did not use the correct pronoun. tucker: i received a statement tonight from a p.r. company hired by the school who said that the school is merely following california law. is that possible? it s really disingenuous that the administration is still continuing to say that. there s no california law that says you must send a kid to the principal s office for calling somebody using their free speech rights. a little first grader accidentally calling him by his own name. there s nothing in state law that says you have to read a book i am jazz have the boy change into girls clothing and have a new name. there s nothing that mandates the school does this. tucker: it seems a little heavy for little kids. not attacking anyone but it seems like one of those issues that may be parents could talk to their kids about, if they so choose. is this kind of thing often a topic in california first grade classrooms? it s becoming more and more frequently. not just in crazy california. it s happening nationwide. yes, they are pushing this more and more and pushing this agenda. this poor little first grader genuinely was going up to see her friend she hasn t seen since last year in kindergarten and said hello to him. and got in trouble for it. she was quite upset. the parents have since left the school district because they were told she would have to go to the principal s office again and be investigated if it happened again. tucker: investigated by whom? investigated. that s the word that they used in the email by the administration, to see if it was intentional or not. first-graders get names mixed up all the time. tucker: this is. oh, i don t even know what to say. other than it s really depressing and upsetting and i m just glad i grew up in a different time. thank you for joining us. well, a nurse in utah was manhandled by cops when she refused to draw blood from a man without a warrant. distressing, weird, is it the weirdest story of the day? 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[gunshot] as you can see, my husband shot me. tucker: [laughs] come on, aaron. my favorite part is that he s setting up shop in america in miami for the first time and they want the tank top of course in miami, they wanted to be the big seller. they are selling it for $495. he says the beautiful thing is that it s appealing to higher and clientele. that s exactly who you want to buy a bulletproof vest. a tank top, rather. for $495. tucker: are they still married? apparently, yes. she s done that before. tucker: what a tolerant person. bulletproof marriage. tucker: we will see if we can find weirder. alex wubbels, a nurse refused to give a blood sample from an unconscious man. you need a warrant or a state of intent to arrest the unconscious man or take its blood. instead of providing either, the cop snapped. catherine, what is this about? what so outrageous is not just the context at its core, a nurse and law enforcement, they are supposed to be on the same team, helping others and saving lives. not manhandling one while she s trying to save a life. tucker: why did he arrest her? what he wanted her to draw blood but she was not going to do it because of hospital protocol and respecting that. tucker: absolutely bizarre. was he censured for this? the patient was a truck driver involved in an accident and he wanted it for further review. tucker: i can t believe they arrested her. it was she charged? i don t believe so. i think they are launching a criminal investigation. tucker: pretty grotesque. one of the criteria i tried to use for read a story of the week, could this happen to me? could i imagine myself? could you buy a 405 to nine dollars bulletproof vest? tucker: what i shoot my wife on camera that s a question asked mike if i was sunny and i was in iraq, yeah, i would buy it. i would probably just go full short-list. would you allow it your significant other to shoot you? i would go with know tucker: erin, would you? no. let s watch it one more time. 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government aid, investigators are taking another look at potential evidence collected as far back as 2015 according to the wall street journal. minutes ago the president boarded air force one en route to france where he ll meet tomorrow with french president emmanuel macron. the last time the president was on air force one was a few days ago. it was at the g-20 where he held his first face to face meeting with president putin. during that trip the president was involved in producing the false statement given to the new york times about the previously held meeting last summer. a small cadre of president s advisers huddled in a cabin helping to craft a statement for the president s eldest son explaining why he met last summer with a lawyer connected to the russian government. ultimately, the times reports, the president himself signed off i wouldn t have even remembered it until you start scouring through this. it was a wasted 20 minutes which was a shame. the president responded to his son s tv appearance in a tweet this morning. my son donald did a good job last night. he was open, transparent, innocent, this is greatest witch hunt in political history. sad. today the president defended his son wbr id= wbr2650 /> and insisted he was personally in the gark his son s meeting last summer. no, i didn t know until a couple days ago when i heard about wbr id= wbr2750 /> this. i think many people would have held that meeting. the e-mails released yesterday races ad new round of questions about what the president knew and who his wraids in contact with, when. even causing they will to reexamine the material. u.s. intelligence agencies, starting in the spring of 2015, detected conversations in which russian government officials discussed associates of donald trump several months before he /b> declared a candidacy for president. the conversations were confusing, the journal reports. wasn t clear which were being discussed and investigators didn t know what to make of it. now in light of e-mails tuesday, investigators are going back to the early reports to see if they can understand them better. the e-mails have also raised new questions about a little noticed speech he then candidate donald trump gave last year on june 7th. earlier that day at 5:16 p.m., donald trump sent an e-mail confirming the time and date for the russian wbr id= wbr3340 /> lawyer to collect dirt on his father s point. almost exactly four hours later, his father made the following announcement. i am going to give a major speech on probably monday of next week, and we re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken wbr id= wbr3515 /> place with the clintons. i think you will find it very informative and very, very interesting. i m joined now by sheldon whitehouse. /b> down on your targets. and you want to get past narrowing point and i don t think they re there yet. there s a lot out there. the former u.s. attorney sheldon whitehouse. thank you for your time tonight. thank you. joining me now, robert pittinger, do you think it is a bad idea to take a meeting with someone who offers aid from a foreign government in bringing down your political adversary? i think, you know, what materially illegal is there about that, i don t know. i m not a lawyer. do you think it is bad? like if someone you were advising said to you, i just got an e-mail from an adversarial government that says they have dirt on my point. should i go to the meeting? i ll listen to anybody for whatever they have to say. but at the end of the day, you wade through the facts. would you take a meeting, let me ask you. you would take a meeting, tlob what anyone would say. an agent of the venezuelan government to give you opposition research on an point? would you do that? again, you re coming one some conjecture here of things. these are hypothetical things. i ll sorry. you just said, you think it is okay i would listen to people and what they had to say. i want to let you know that i respect what you just said a minute ago. you said that all this has been a lot of speculation and conjecture. and let s get down to the facts. we ve been hearing speculation and conjecture for the last six months. issue after issue after issue. this has been trial by democrat. trial by media. there s an obsession of trying on find something kflt we get something on this guy trump to nail him. we just keep looking. so i think at the end of the day, there hasn t been anything shows any collusion. i want to be clear about what is speculation and what is fact. do you agree that donald trump jr. published e-mails yesterday that he received from a reported intermediary for i commend him for doing that. that s not speculation. those e-mails exist, correct? absolutely. very straightforward. and they offered an offer to collude with the russian government to collu that s your interpretation. this is obviously very high level sensitive information, and it is, i m quoting here, part of russia and its government s support for mr. trump. do you agree that s what that e-mail says, right? i m not getting into what is a material fact relative to aiding and abetting, the takedown. i think you want to be a prosecutor right now. great. go back to law school and be a prosecutor. we shouldn t have trial by media. i agree with you. that s why we have mr. mueller. that s why i commend president trump for the nomination he has of chris are wray. this man is outstanding. he will get to the facts. i agree entirely. chris rey will help get to the bottom of it. let s agree on this. you and i both, anyone in the country genuinely wants to know truthful the actual facts. particularly sir. six months of this issue after issue, conjecture and speculation. particularly if it is exculpatory. from your perspective firgtss turns out this is a witch hunt. we have something we haven t had in a long time. concrete facts. the chain of what happened are real things that happened in the world that aren t speculation. i m asking you as a human being, a politician, do you think it is okay what the campaign did when offered this? is that an okay thing that you approve of? you would advise a friend to do? is it illegal? was it a material reality that what they did was wrong? it was illegal? we ll get to the facts on that. i m not an attorney. i think you can take information from anyone. i think so you think it was okay. i m asking for your opinion. i m just asking, like it s okay to do that. you can i hear information from people all the time on the many things. and i think you need to understand in a campaign, i ve been in many campaigns, particularly in a national campaign. donald trump probably had 25 meetings a day. you run through a lot of people during course of the day. i get it. a lot of hangers on and people who come through your door. i know that first hand. when you get the son of donald trump s attention. i ve got something for you. have you personally ever met with someone who represented themselves as a foreign agent to give you dirt about a political point? never have. no. i appreciate you being here. good being here too. thank you. i m joined by ted lu from california. it strikes me, is this an okay thing to do is something that people would have had a clear answer four days ago. not only is it an okay thing to do. it is a violation of federal law. donald trump jr. clearly violated the federal election campaign act by conspiring to solicit something of value from a foreign national. as a foreign national i can tell you that he took an app. not only did he write an e-mail back saying i love it. getting the dirt on hillary clinton. he also sat in on a meeting that more than completes the crime of conspiracy. i want to play devil s advocate here. there was six months in this nation s history when extremely literal readings of statutes was being used to construe criminality by hillary clinton. you can make an argument for it. it seems very few prosecutions would be brought on the facts that we know now. isn t that true? that s not true. let s say the someone e-mails you and says i have a bag of cocaine. and you e-mail back and say i love it. you show up at that meeting. if the bag of cocaine turns out to be sugar, you still committed conspiracy and you will be prosecuted. so you actually think, and i talked on lawyers on both sides of this. 24 hours. you think that it is, of what revealed yesterday is prosecutable. absolutely. congress went to great lengths to put in a prohibition against accepting or soliciteding anything of value from a foreign national or the a foreign government. bends foreign influence can be very corrupting. that s straight up in the law. this is a straight up violation. this sort of goes back to both interviews saying we need to get to the bottom of it. we want the facts and not trial by media. everyone is accorded a certain degree of innocence. and the discussion about how long this takes. what is your expectation about what happens next given how remarkable the last 48 hours have been? these e-mails are facts. they ve been authentic ated by donald trump jr. there would be a grand jury and he would be indicted and then a jury can decide if he should be found guilty. do you think that it is that black and white? i ve talked on people who say, i don t know. i don t know if there s a case here. you think that. absolutely. this is right there in the e-mails. there s an open question about whether a sitting president can be indicted but there s no question at all about whether his son can be indicted. people went to jail well before the president was impeached. there s to protection for people in the president s orbit is what you re saying. that s correct. if this meeting wasn t a big deal, why would the president himself, as you noted earlier in the show, to go great lengths to cover it up and help his son put out a false and misleading statement when this new york times story first appeared? thank you for your time tonight. coming up, is donald trump jr. still withholding information with the meeting with the russian lawyer? we noticed something odd in his e-mail thread that hasn t gotten much attention. did donald trump jr. speak with anyone in moscow? michael, can we get this data to.? look at me.look at me. look at me. you used to be the yes guy. what happened to that guy? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but yes is here. so, you re saying we can cut delivery time? yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. we now know that donald trump jr. received a series of e-mails last june in which he was offered unspecified dirt on hillary clinton. dirt he was told would come from the russian government. trump junior admits taking a meeting with what was described in those e-mails as russian government attorney in order to get that dirt. he maintains, however, he was offered nothing of value. last night on fox news, sean hannity asked trump junior if before the meeting he had been be given any indication as to what the information with hillary clinton might be. and listen carefully to his answer. at any point were you told either in phone conversation or otherwise, what they might tell you? what goldstone seemed to be implying? as i recall, it was all this e-mail coordination. let s try to set up a meeting and see what happens and that it would be interesting information. in the end, wasn t about that at all. he said no, as i recall, it was all basically this e-mail coordination. basically. someone saying they had information to provide. and the meeting which he said was a dud. but nbc news investigative reporter noticed something interest. a careful reading seems to suggest that don junior in fact did have a conversation on the phone before the meeting with the person in moscow offering information despite claiming he had no such contact. just last night on camera. the e-mails were between don junior and his aquabltance ron goldstone. now goldstone references his source, that s the pop singer. at 12:30 he wrote, hi, don, let me know when you are free to talk with emin by phone about this hillary info. you had mentioned earlier this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day. he says, could we speak now? goldstone responds, let me track him down in moscow. what number he could call? one minute later mirgs cell. okay. he s on stage. that s the guy at the center of thought. he s stage in moscow but should be off in 20 minutes so i m sure can call. and then nearly an hour passes. and don junior writes, rob, thanks for the help. so what happened during that hour? it appears there was a phone call. did that phone call take place? that thanks for the help an hour after suggesting the call might have. he asked that i suggest a meeting with you and the russian government attorney who is flying over from moscow this thursday. i believe you are aware of the meeting. so wondered if 3:00 p.m. or later on thursday works for you? i believe you are aware of the meeting. that seems to be a reference to them having a form of communication. perhaps a phone call. making don junior aware of the meeting. later he mentions for the first time the other participant he plans to bring. it will likely be paul manafort, campaign boss, my brother-in-law and me. the former u.s. attorney from michigan, professor of law at the university have michigan. you noticed this. it sure does look like a phone call happened. it sure looks like it. it sure does. it is a logical influence. and why it is important is because rob goldstone is not the man with the connections to the kremlin. emin and his father are the guys close to the kremlin. and this could explain a few things. one, the day after this arrangement, this phone call may have taken place, don junior made a speech where he promised to make some announcement about hillary clinton and her dealings. and of course, he never did that. but he was intimating that he had some dirt on hillary clinton. the other issue is there s a huge disconnect between the e-mail that very explicitly promises incriminal nighting information on hillary clinton and the explanation of how this meeting actually played out with the lawyer who was talking about the adoption and donald trump are jr. saying i didn t really get anything. there is no real explanation for that disconnect. maybe this phone call explains it. barbara, you were a federal prosecutor. what would you want to see? all we really have is one little nugget about this whole scenario. so what you want to do is get as much information as you can around it to see what else happened. so number one, getting the telephone records of donald trump jr. might be one way to confirm whether there were additional phone calls. you get get phone calls after the fact but you can determine whether they occurred. i would want to talk to rob goldstone as well. now, he of course is a british national so you can t just use your subpoena to pull him in. but we do have treat business the british government. so an interview could be arranged. so i would want to find out as much as i can. i want to find out about what happened afterwards. were there any subsequent e-mails? i would be using a search warrant to try to get the content of the e-mails between donald trump, jared kushner, goldstone, all of these players. to barbara s point about what happened after, that s the story that we re getting which seems a little unresolved. so let s say, if everything that donald junior is saying is true. it is weird and disappointing and doesn t involved what he thought. do you just let it go? do you say what the heck was that? you wasted my time. you made me look bad in front of paul manafort. there s a lot you can imagine would happen after that other than a shrug. there are sole unanswered questions. when he gets e-mail about the effort to help your father. he doesn t say what effort? so he is acting like he understands there is such effort. then again this disconnect between had very explicit promise of help and what they re saying was a nothing burger. did you get that same line? a lot of people are talking about this. it says the russian effort to help her father. it is not like here s some crazy bombshell news, bruh. it is going to help your dad get elected. when you think about what mueller s mission is, is a quest for the truth. although people want to see accountability for anyone who has committed crimes here. the really bigger quest for truth that we want is what was the russian government up to in this counter intelligence investigation? what were they doing? what was their game? and that quest for truth is what robert mueller will want to know. and i can t help but note the irony, we went through an entire campaign. we ve read a opportunity of e-mails that the secretary turned over to the state department. we read criminal records. this is first time that we ve read an e-mail from the trump campaign on the inside. it does make you wonder what else is in those inboxes. in the absence of hard facts, what we ve gotten is speculation from current government officials. they say this is right out of russian play book. they believe there is a dangle. they believe it is russian tense trying on see how the trump team would respond to an offer of assistance. wasn t much of an offer but it showed they were eager for more. thank you for making time. coming up, as the trump e-mail controversy grows, new stinls repeal and replace effort may be slipping away. support from congressional leaders. none resisted more adamantly than mcconnell himself who voiced skepticism that the underlying intelligence truly supported the claims. one year later, donald trump is president and mcconnell is facing the biggest test of his political career. after promising eight years to repeal obamacare, they face massive efforts to follow through. events today suggest his chance may be slipping away. the latest on the health care fight right after this break. steve was born to move. over the course of 9 days he walks 26.2 miles. that s a marathon. because he chooses to walk whenever he can. and he does it with support from dr. scholl s. only dr. scholl s has massaging gel insoles that provide all-day comfort to keep him feeling more energized. so he even has the energy to take the long way home. keep it up, steve! dr. scholl s. born to move. atmore than one flavor, oruch texture, or color.ing. a good clean salad is so much more than green. and with panera catering, more for your event. panera. food as it should be. two rejections. among others, all worry about people losing coverage under a senate bill. lisa murkowski from alaska purportedly tore into the medicaid cuts today. and conservatives like rand paul say it doesn t do enough to repeal obamacare. today paul announced he is a no vote. we promised the american voters that we would repeal obamacare. when you re keeping half the taxes, most of the regulations and creating a brand new insurance bailout super fund, that to most people doesn t look line repeal. i will vote against the motion to proceed. joining me now, the chief washington correspondent. you ve been covering this closely. you ve covered other efforts before. where does this stand right now? a good place if you re mitch mcconnell. he says he will unveil this next draft tomorrow and try to take it to the floor. it is unclear whether he will take it to the floor to fail. even leadership concedes they do not have 50 votes. the people last week when they were hoping were saying, i don t think i like it. they ve come back and said i really don t like it. i have noticed, nothing is do not until it s done and people change and mitch mcconnell is very good at his job. i have noticed the tenor of the comments about it. the skepticism before the break and after, that they have grown more critical. not less. the folks before the break said, i have reservations and in its current form, you re hearing much stronger language. there seem to be many more firm nos. they could make some changes but the change they seem to be making are losing votes rather than gaining them. they want to perhaps have a little more money, slower cuts than medicaid. that s what we have seen. rand paul turned him into an absolute no. the moderates worried about the medicaid cuts seem to be just as worried as they were even if there s money to slow them down a little bit. it doesn t seem to be that senator mcconnell has found the magic bullet that can get everybody on board. to be clear, there s been all this interest in the cruz, that it would inaugurate a death spiral in the individual markets. plus they would have to go back to what they call medical underwriting. they re happy to stop doing it. the industry doesn t love the affordable care act because they don t think the mandate is strong enough to get healthy people in. the idea of going back to separate insurance markets where they would have to assess the health of certain people and decide how much the charge them isn t something they want to do either. it always seemed clear when mike plea and ted cruz raised their concerns, they would get the bone thrown to them. the real problem are those folks who don t like the medicaid cuts. susan collins of maine, capita. and then you ve got rand paul. if rand paul is really a hard no, that has the room that room that mcconnell has to negotiate. do you think he is actually a no? i do. i think everybody thought rand paul would be a no from the beginning. the wild card has been ted cruz and mike lee. and there s one more. even if they try to give them the amendment. does it go in the base bill or do they vote on it? they would need 50 votes. it hasn t been voted by the parliamentian yet. there may be a lot of things in this bill that can t make it to the senate florida. the pressure has been fascinating to watch. there have been indivisible socialists of manager. different groups move on who have been direct action, sitting in in offices, showing up outside the homes of folks. going to town halls. is that part of what is pressing these folks to a firm no? i don t know whether it is having an effect on people who don t like it because it isn t conservative enough. but it does seem to be affecting the moderates. when susan collins was in maine last week, she said everybody praised her for her opposition. so it reinforced her as a no. even dean heller from nevada was one of the sort of early surprising no s. he said the bill simply hasn t changed. you have vp mike pence working in kentucky, meeting in the capitol. coming up, an e-mail sent to donald trump jr. explicitly offering support for the trump campaign doesn t raise concerns among supporters, what would? 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we re going to find out, chris. look, i think that as we approach the six-month mark of trump presidency, the country s never seen anything like it. he s the most unpopular president this early in his term in the history of the country. and the polls range from 35%, 36%, to 41%. and i think it s important to remember, even the day that richard nixon resigned, he was at 29%. i mean, 29% of the country stuck with him. that s just a dynamic feature of american politics. and i do think that a lot of the trump support isn t so much support for the president as it s anti-trump. that s right. as one commentator described it. and that s a feature that we re increasingly tribal politics. where people, no matter what is done in the name of your tribe, people are supporting the tribe. but look, i think that there are scores of republicans who are beyond appalled by this. overwhelmingly independents and nonregistered voters, or nondeclared voters. and certainly democrats. and what we know from this is a couple of things. it was an attempt to work with the russian government pat the heart of a presidential campaign with the most senior people. then they lied about it repeatedly from the president and vice president, and everyone on down. they got caught in a lie. they continue to lie today. they lied about it over the weekend. as the lies accumulate, and we go from smoke to fire on the horizon, we ll see where this goes. and as it is fully known to the american people what happened, and as the republicans continue to languish with their inability to pass anything that resembles a conservative policy agenda, i think the voters will grow weary over time. that latter thing i want to talk about, because to me, i m of the opinion that these next three weeks are essentially make-or-break in a certain way. which is that this obamacare repeal is on an ice edge. basically a 50/50 proposition. if it happens, that changes everything. i think in terms of the calculation of even people on the hill making, that we ve got this guy mainly under investigation, maybe colluded with the russians but he can sit there and sign bills and we can get an agenda through. my theory is, the republicans will start to ask themselves what did i sign up for here if it doesn t happen? is that your read on it? sure. look, i m old enough to remember that a prerequisite for passing legislation like this was to try to do everything you can to make an argument, and make it as popular as possible. right. politics is sometimes the art of choosing between two bad options. but republicans stay in. what s the result? they reorganized, the sixth of the nation s economy with no idea who it affects and how much it costs, and the support of the american people at 13%. that s a good thing as you move into a midterm election where the incumbent president s party has lost seats, and every single election for the last 118 years in that first midterm except for three. so i think republicans increasingly on this are damned if they do, damned if they don t. but it seems increasingly difficult to see how they put together the necessary votes to do this. and by the way, if you can get the necessary votes, do you really want to take a vote like this on an issue as big as this and pass it with 51 votes, or 50 votes with the tiebreaker by the vice president perhaps? final question. are republican members of congress having the same conversation other people are, after that e-mail gets published? are they in rooms just saying off the record to their staff, like, can you believe this exists? look, i think the reaction behind closed doors is one of astonishment. it s the same type of tone you re seeing play out on television. but what you re also seeing is a
firing from first round to last? do we know that? that s the thing we don t know. what we know, it s an hour and 12 minutes from the time the first shots are phoned in to the police, police get the first call that shots are fired until the door is breached on the hotel room. what we don t know is was he still shooting at the time he broke into the room. police have said as soon as they got on the 32nd floor they knew immediately that s where the shots were coming from. the elevator doors opened and they know immediately that s where the shots are coming from. we don t know why that is, whether it s that they smelled gun powder or they can hear shots being fired. so we can t from that time line we simply can t tell when the last shots were fired, whether it was right up until the time that they blew the door off and he shot himself. brief note to our viewers, we ve just stretched across the top of the 2:00 p.m. hour here on the east coast, obviously covering this national tragedy in las vegas, nevada, 58 dead, 29th floor and worked their way up until they finally figured out it was the 32nd floor, which they said they got from a variety of things, going into the floors, hearing phone calls from people in the hotel calling the police and calling the hotel saying i think somebody is firing shots. they sort of triangulate from those various phone calls. there had been some reports that they were keying off smoke detectors going off in the room, which is plausible from all of this kind of smoke that would come out of these weapons, firing all of these rounds, it s plausible the smoke detectors went off. whether that had a role or not, we don t know but putting all that together, that s how they get to his room and blow in the door. first of all, they have to realize that the shots are coming from the mandalay bay hotel and that takes a while just by itself. pete, i said last question i lied. i lot of people come to las vegas to as a friend of mine transactions report d over $10,000, one of them 30,000. what we don t know, are these losses? are these wins? are these simply money in and out? we don t know but we do know that he was a gambling some high stakes here in just the last few weeks and they say that the pace of his gambling had picked up within just the past few weeks. that is a lot of money for anybody to be moving around. pete williams, thank you so much forgiving us the benefit of your reporting so far today. pete williams in our washington bureau. we note on his usual beat this first monday in october. nbc s steve patterson is in las vegas with the latest. steve, you ve been listening presumably to the conversation you told us the city was coming to life a little bit more obviously behind you. yeah, look, i don t want to say that normalcy is completely returned here but obviously, the city is taking steps to reopen traffic. you can see it flowing freely behind me. up until the point obviously that you get to that scene where police are investigating, but also, you re starting to see some of this return, you re starting to see pedestrian foot traffic now moving more freely. people smiling and seemingly back on the strip. it s probably the most normal i ve seen the las vegas strip in the last 13 hours, which has been something of an oddity. i mean, we were here last night when it was dead silent, when there was nobody around but police and fire and emts in this area that i m standing, this scene was locked down. you could see victims on stretchers. you could see the red and blue lights shining in the distance to try to prevent people, push people back. you could see police in full riot gear with long guns going from hotel to hotel to hotel to casino to casino. if you go into those casinos you heard the slot machines buzzing and see people gaming. sob yusly a lot of this has opened up. people seemingly back to normal life here. if you look a little closer, the biggest tourist attraction that we ve seen probably in the last two to three hours are these flags the american flags, you can t see them, they are above our live shot up here. there are two of them at half staff. i think i ve seen more people take pictures of these flags than i did even yesterday taking picture of the las vegas strip sign. some signs of normalcy coming back, again the most normal i ve probably seen the strip in the last 13 hours, but also again there is that tinge of a somber note as people sort of walk through here back on the strip. brian? thanks so much for that. that s an important part of reporting this story, what the city feels like and sounds like. it s never not vibrant or not teaming, you can play the slots at 4:00 in the morning if that s what you like doing. it sounds like tonight one night falls again in vegas, it will feel a little bit closer to the old place. i want to share with our viewers a shot of the next event we re waiting for. and that would be the white house briefing room. sara huckabee sanders will be briefing the press. we presume there will be a lot about the kind of multiple crises this white house is dealing with. don t forget before we heard the news from las vegas, the outrage was chugging along towards the president for what he had said about puerto rican politicians, the nation of puerto rico, puerto ricans themselves, their needing external help because of this storm that is decimated the island of puerto rico, the fact that they needed help from their fellow americans in the continental u.s., our white house correspondent kristen welker standing by live in the briefing room. kristen, what else can we expect today? well, brian, i can tell you this day started with a real focus on puerto rico and then just to set the scene and mood here at the white house, it has been a series of meetings and briefings throughout the day as they have tried to monitor and react to and respond to the tragedy that is unfolding in las vegas. of course, we did hear from president trump very restrained message today, one of unity, calling what happened an act of pure evil. he also spoke about it in the oval office while meeting with the prime minister of thailand. take a listen to what he had to say. apparently we don t have that sound. but he will be visiting puerto rico on wednesday and then puerto rico tomorrow i should say and then las vegas on wednesday and will be meeting with first responders as well as victims there. we re just getting a two-minute warning. i anticipate that sarah huckabee sanders will get a number of questions about what happens next. does the president think there needs to be some type of stiffer gun laws, something that he has traditionally been opposed to. has his thinking on that changed or shifted in any way, shape or form. that will be those who say it is too soon to talk about legislation and next steps but then on the other hand you have mark kelly, of course, husband to gabby giffords shot and wounded gravely when he was in congress and made an incredible recovery, who said today in a press conference, don t let anyone tell you that today is not the day to talk about politics as it relates to gun laws. we anticipate sarah sabd sanders will get asked about all of this and president and first lady will hold a moment of silence later on this hour. kristen welker in the briefing room. the two-minute warning is in effect so we will not take our eyes off of that podium but i do have clint watts, formerly the fbi with us here. clint, we know there s this move afoot to possibly allow silencers on weapons in our country. as someone who s been around guns an ammo so mauch of your adult life, what would that do from your point of view in law enforcement? i don t understand what civilian purpose a silencer would be used for. when we talk about the need for weapons and everyone s second amendment rights we re talking about hunting or sports shooting or personal protection. or personal protection. a silencer is an offensive capability. the whole reason you have a silencer is to try to hide the fact that you re shooting the weapon. i can conceive of no legitimate reason why you would need that functionality. and that goes to fully automatic weapons as well. part of the reasons we ve had barriers on fully automatic weapons was exactly what we saw last night. let s listen to the white house briefing. our thoughts and prayers today are with the victims and survivors in las vegas and with the people of puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands, where massive storm recovery efforts are ongoing. the president will be flying to puerto rico tomorrow to view the devastation and assure the people there we re with them 100% today and for the long haul. puerto ricans have shown incredible resilience and we re committed to helping them rebuild their lives. last night thousands of citizens endured what the president has rightly called an act of pure evil in las vegas. the president has orlded the flags to half staff and to further honest those lost in the attack, we ll hold a moment of 15 silence at 2:45 eastern time. the president will visit vegas on wednesday to grieve with friends and family of the victims to offer his support to those recovering from their wounds and to thank the courageous first responders. in the coming days this attack will directly impact communities across the country. one man 29-year-old sunny melton traveled from tennessee to vegas with his wife heather. when the bullets gain raining down sonny shielded her from danger, giving up his life to save hers. married just over a year. others risked their lives to meet people they never met. mike from philadelphia laid on students to protect them from gunfire. they are 20, i m 53 and lived a good life. lindsey pageant and her fiance fled for cover during the attack and immediately returned to the scene with the pickup truck to help transport the wounded to nearby hospitals. gail davis attending the concert with her husband owes her life to a brave police officer who instinctively served as a human shield protecting her from harm. sadly multiple police officers both on do you think and and off-duty were among those killed and injured. what they did for each other says far more about who we are as americans than a killer ever could. the gospel of john reminds us there s no greater love than to lay down one s life for a friend. the memory of those who displayed the ultimate expression of love in the midst of an act of hate will never fade. their examples will serve as an enternl reminder that the american spirit will not and cannot be broken. in the days ahead we ll grieve as a nation and honor the memory of those lost as a nation and come together one nation under god and indif visible and with that, i ll take your questions. major. can you tell us how the president first learned about it and your engagement with him, his own personal reaction today? said in the oval he might spend more than a day in vegas, was i referring to a couple of days there? we re final liesing the details of the travel that will take place. we know for sure he ll be there on wednesday and beyond that we ll keep you guys posted. those arrangements are finalizeds in terms of activity this morning, the president was briefed early this morning by general kelly and has been updated regularly and constantly throughout the day and will continue to as new information is provided by law enforcement officials. have you had a chance to talk about how he dealt with this? i ve seen him today and i think he like most of america is saddened and certainly his heart and compassion goes out to those that were affected. jeff? sarah, many times when these horrible massacres occur, it leads to questions about gun control. has this particular massacre made the president think anything more about pursuing tighter gun laws such as background checks to prevent the massacres like this from happening again? look, this is an unspeakable tragedy. today is a day for consoling the survivors and mourning those we lost. our thoughts and prayers are with all of those individuals. this is there s a time and place for a political debate but now is the time to unite as a country. there s currently an open and ongoing law enforcement investigation, motive is jyet t be determined and it would be premature to discuss policy when we don t know all of the facts of what took place last night. jeff? do you believe that does the president believe that this is a moment that this is a time when this should not be a political discussion, it should be a policy discussion? does he believe he could bring something new to the gun debate that has been i guess a locked in politics for so many years? today is more like i said, a day of reflection, day of mourning. a day of gratefulness for those that were seraved and i think there will be time for that policy discussion to take place but that s not the place we re in at this moment. but certainly i think there s a time for that to happen. before he was elected president in some 15 or 16 years ago, he did have a different view on guns than he had during the campaign. does he believe this is something that he could lead a bipartisan effort on at some point? at what point would that be appropriate? i think that s something that we can talk about in the coming days and see what that looks like moving forward. i think one of the things that we don t want to do is try to create laws or stop these type of things from happening. if you look to chicago where you had over 4,000 victims of unrelated crimes. they have the strictest gun laws in the country, that certainly hasn t helped there. i think we have to when the time comes for those conversations to take place, i think we need to look at things that may actually have that real impact. matthew? thanks, sarah. on puerto rico, can you tell us about the president s aims for his visit tomorrow and do you expect any tension given some of his comments over the weekend? we have several stops that we ll put out later this afternoon in terms of the specifics of that trip. we are going to be spending a significant time there in puerto rico meeting both with first responders as well as storm survivors and we ll put out the details later today. some of the comments like the folks wanted everything done for them, do you expect that to come up? i expect the focus to be on the recovery efforts which we re fully committed to, the top priority for the federal government is certainly to protect the lives and safety of those affected areas and provide life sustaining services as we work together to rebuild their lives. that s going to be the focus, not just in the conversations tomorrow but certainly the focus we ve had since this began. let me pick up on that. who exactly wants everything done? you said they. i haven t talked to him specifically about a defined who they might be. the federal government is doing everything they can within our powers and capabilities to first focus on life sustaining and life saving measures as well as on the rebuilding process. we ve got over 12,000 federal staff on the ground, 64 hospitals out of 67 are partially or fully operational. 14 are now back on the electrical grid. 45% of customers in puerto rico have access to drinking water. eight commercial airports are operational, 65% of gas stations are open. all of these things are things that we re continuing to push and move forward and will be part of that effort. if i may, does the president believe that what happened amounts to an act of domestic terrorism? this is an ongoing investigation and it would be premature to weigh in on something like that before we have any more facts and we ll leave that to local law enforcement to work with also the federal law enforcement to make those recommendations. the president was sharply critical of the mayor of san juan. other than the comments on friday morning, which she criticized elaine duke for saying this was a good news story in terms of dhs getting supplies to areas needed. what was she was doing that prompted such criticism by the president? right now our focus is to bring the mayor into the coordination efforts. in administration as well as other members on the ground have reached out to her. we hope she will join with us in those efforts and be part of things. she s been invited to participate in the events tomorrow as well and we hope those conversations will happen. and we can all work together to move forward. tom price reimbursed the government yet for his flights and if not, is there a specific deadline when you expect him to do so by? i m not sure on the time frame for that or whether or not it s already taken place. but we ll certainly keep you posted on that. jordan? given what the president said about secretary of state tillerson s outreach to north korea over the weekend, does the president still have confidence in him as secretary of state? he does, yes. spoken to him since he sechbt out the tweets? i believe so, i ll have to verify. thanks, it s a very sad day in the country as you mention at the top as the president said in his remarks, when he goes out to las vegas, he s going to meet with first responders and in addition to that families of the victims that were impacted by this. what s the message to each of those groups when he goes out there? look, i think it s very simple to say that his goal is simply to be there, to show the support of people from around the country and to stand united and not only this act of evil but against all acts of evil. and that was clear in the president s remarks today and something that you ll see from his visit on wednesday. following up on the tweets about the weekend, the president tweeted save your energy rex, we ll do what has to be done. is it the stated position you re trying to get back to talks or have you given up? we ve been clear that now is not the time to talk. the only conversations that have taken place or that would, would be on bringing back americans that have been detained like that. those are the type of conversations this administration was willing to have beyond that there will be no conversations with north korea at this time. there are three americans still detained in north korea. lines of communication with pyongyang, that s what you re primarily using it for that would be the only reason for us to have conversations with them at this time. hallie. does the president believe diplomacy is not worth pursuing in north korea? there s a difference between talking and putting diplomatic pressure. we still strongly support putting diplomatic pressure on north korea which we re continuing to do but now is not the time to simply have conversations with north korea. we ve encouraged all of our allies and partners to do more and we re going to continue to keep all opgs on the table when it comes to that. today as well, you talked about how now is not the time to get into a gun control debate or policy. after the orlando shooting the president that day was out on twitter talking about policy and talking about his travel ban. when for example chris murphy says it s time for congress to get off its ass and do something i agree that congress should get up and do something, i don t think it s specific to that but i think congress had months of doing very little and we would like to see legs lags come through. what would the president like to see congress do? again, we haven t had the moment to have a deep dive on the policy part of that. we ve been focused on on the fact we had a severe tragedy in our country. and this is a day of mourning, a time of bringing our country together and that s been the focus this morning. when at that day, he was talking about the travel ban saying he didn t want congratulations essentially there s a difference between being a candidate and being the president. thanks, sarah. i want to ask you before last night s massacre, a bill was advancing through the house that would among other things make it easier for people to buy silencers. hillary clinton tweeted about it this morning, imagine the depths in vegas, the shooter had a silencer which the nra wants to make easier to get. does the white house have a position on this particular piece of legislation? again, i haven t spoken with the president about that specific issue but i don t think that that is something that would have changed, again, i think before we start trying to talk about the what took place last night we need more facts and right now we re not at that point. it s very easy for mrs. clinton to criticize and to come out but i think we need to remember the only person with blood on their hands is that of the shooter. and this isn t a time for us to go after individuals or organizations. i think we can have those policy conversations but today is not that day. ny policy descriptions the president considers out of bounds on the policy debate that will happen in the coming weeks. can you articulate what the position on gun control is? the president has been clear, he s a strong supporter of the second amendment and i don t have anything further at this point. i ll take one more question. fred? couple questions, one head of the i want to ask about the bill, the mccain lee act which would give an exemption, would the administration consider even a permanent repeal of the jones act or at least an exemption from it for puerto rico at some point? i don t think that s something that s necessary at this time. if we deemed it was, we could have that discussion then but certainly something we don t feel like is necessary today. so i wouldn t imagine that would be something needed. okay. also, on the nomination of there have been some impacts among senators, some in the media on her religious beliefs. does the white house have some concerns about that? we certainly support religious freedom and would ask that congress also support that as well. as you all know, we ve got a moment of silence taking place on the south lawn here momentarily and so with that i ll close and just again i think we ask collectively that everyone across the country keep the people both in las vegas and in puerto rico and u.s. virgin islands in our prayers. thanks. all right the conclusion of the white house briefing and because we live in a politicized world and because it s going to come up again and again and again and because you heard it was already in the twitter feed this morning of hillary clinton, manny gomez is here with us, retired special agent for the fbi, retired nypd sergeant. before we go back to the white house briefing room, manny, i d like to ask you, can you make the case for silencers for all? what does that get us? it gets us more assassinations and say higher crime rate. silencers were made for one purpose and one purpose alone, to nefariously kill people with little evidence and little to know sound, noise. and that is specifically what law enforcement uses to identify targeted neutralize somebody who is shooting at a crowd or individual like we had last night. and equipment such as shot spotter that we use throughout new york city needs that noise to be able to identify and target where shots come from. do they make an effective silencer for long barrel ar-15 bush master style weapon? absolutely. and sportsmen, hunters would make an argument they need that so that their target, whether it s a deer, et cetera, don t hear the shot. but numerous other sportsmen have shot from muskets when the founding fathers started up to now successfully killed game animals without the use of a silencer. so where does this logical progression? are we going to legalize grenades next because sportsmen need the averages to be on their side more? it seems to me we re heading in the wrong direction. the conversation should be what to do about the assault weapons that are killing our population at an alarming rate. saint bernardino, orlando and last night in vegas, literally at this point we have hundreds assassinated by the assault weapons. let s go back in the white house briefing room. kristen welker was there. what stood out to you? reporter: sarah huckabee sanders got a number of questions about the very topic you and i were talking about heading into this briefing, which is what are the next steps? does the president think that there needs to be stiffer gun legislation? you heard her make the argument which wasn t all together surprising that today is not the day to talk about politics. she was asked repeatedly though if perhaps this has prompted a shift in his thinking. she did reaffirm his commitment to second amendment rights. effectively signaling that there hasn t been a dramatic shift here inside the white house for the president at this point in time. but of course this is something that he will continue to get pressed on. this is a very short briefing as that moment of silence is about to get under way shortly. there were a few other headlines, including on puerto rico. sarah essentially trying to downplay any tensions between president trump and the mayor of san juan over the weekend after he was tweeting criticizing her and one other point i ll make not on the topic of the tragedy in vegas but is significant, she was asked if he still has confidence in his secretary of state. after he tweeted over the weekend questioning some of the his tactics as it relates to north korea. she said yes, he still has confidence in rex tillerson. a number of headlines but the shooting in vegas dominating this briefing and sarah huckabee sanders not providing clarity what next steps might look like for this president but we ll continue to press him on that. that s for sure. one more thing because people are coming into and out of our coverage. just explain we re going to take it live. explain the moment of silence, what we know about it. this is going to be the president, and the first lady, i believe it s going to be on the south lawn. and this is something that we frankly haven t seen here at the white house, a moment of silence that it is called an impromptu way as we are about to witness. i think this is the president, first family s way of underscoring that this is a nation that is in mourning today. and i think that was really highlighted at the top of this briefing, brian. you haurd sarah sanders start to talk about the shooting in las vegas and she became visibly emotional. this is something that touched so many people in vegas and all across the country and right here at the white house as well as i was talking about earlier in the hour, there have been a series of meetings as the president has been briefed and they tried to respond to and monitor this situation and here now we are seeing the very real emotional i mpact of the traged unfolding in vegas here in the west wing. we certainly are. thank you very much, kristen welker. we have a guest to bring in on the phone, joe yankis was shooting video and photos back stage for a blog he maintains when the shooting started. the blog is hello country usa on twitter. joe, i ve heard the sound described, someone last night said it sounded like the playing cards, little kids used to put in bicycle spokes if you don t know what the sound is. others said it was like the sporadic ticking of a taser and people always lose those first few moments wondering just what is that over the sound of the concert. did you go through a similar moment? i did. i heard it at first and jason aldean had done a concert, the same concert two years previous and did a lot of pyrotechnics and when we first heard it, we thought myself, i said jason aldean doing a pyrotechnic thing and one of the teches wanted to go see it. she went out of the tents and i went to follow her out and within a few moments, as soon as i got out of the tent, she returned around and come running at me, she said run. as i heard it, it kept coming in long bursts and i ve shot semiautomatic weapons before and i could tell this was more highly sophisticated gunfire. and the bursts were it seemed like they were more than 30 rounds at a shot. and i immediately turned around and we ran through the tent and lifted up the back and tried to escape through the back. i grabbed my wife s hand and we just tried to find a way out of the maze in the back. and we ran into one fence and there was a bunch of people. we knocked that fence down. the gunfire had stopped so we all kind of took a moment and within a few moments later it started up again. the shots probably god, went for more than ten minutes and it was like, you know, is this ever going to end? i was trying to listen for police enforcement to respond of some sort but it was just happening so quickly. so we got to the back and it just we weren t sure how this was going down. i wasn t show if people were on the ground. a group had decided to do a siege, we didn t know if people were coming from behind the stage. we grabbed a there was a tractor-trailer and i shoved my wife underneath and we re underneath behind the tires for a while just to try and grasp our surroundings and what was happening. again, the rapid fire started again and it was long and it just seemed to not end. so we re trying to decide what pursuit we were going to take. there s a couple of people in the back, pinned between the tractor-trailer and 9-foot fence. i have a brace on my leg, had knee surgery, a guy was telling everyone there were a couple of young kids helping out. it was really awesome to see. and just put my wife over the 9 foot fence and got tangled up and fell to the back side. i tried to make an attempt with the brace on my leg, couldn t make it and i noticed there were boxes stacked along the fence. i pulled over there and that was a chance to get higher up to toss myself over. as soon as we got over, we just tried to clear out what the best direction to go, we just walked away. we went through the artist had tour buses and tractor-trailers and we kind of s serpentined in between there and there was a tanker from the airport. there was a whole bunch of dumpsters, industrial dumpsters and we ran behind that. there was a whole bunch of people there hiding behind it. and we were just trying to figure out what the next move was. we weren t certain what was going to go down so we tried to say what are we going to do if something happens? i told my wife that we would jump in the dumpster if it comes around our area. we waited and we started to pursue more. i wasn t i didn t feel safe about getting back to the strip. we were staying at the wynn so we re trying to make our way and that was way down the other end of the boulevard. and i gijust wanted to stay off the strip but we stayed parallel and kept walking and just kept reminding my wife, it something goes down, run over there and hit the ground. this is battlefield stuff you are describing. it was. it was horrifying. it just seemed to go on forever and just the sound of that, was just like, you knew it was something serious. so it was just trying to make our way back without something else happening. on the way back, we came across police squads and cruisers that were loading people that have been shot into the back of their cruisers and taking off. and for quite the perimeter around, there was policemen with assault riffles and shotguns trying to secure the area as best they could. had you ever been around death and dying in any atmosphere before? i m a retired firefighter from connecticut and we ve been through something like that, but nothing anything like this other than just living cloegs by to what had happened at sandy hook. joe, what a story you tell. it must be so hard to believe that was last night in your life. and i m so happy you re able to talk to us and so happy that both of you found a path to safety and eventually, daylight when sun came up on las vegas, not everyone was so lucky. joe yankus joining us by phone. bill young is with us, las vegas, metropolitan police, his daughter was at the concert. two sons are police officer and one went to the concert, helped his daughter get out and tell us, sir, your family story from last night. i ve been in this business 40 plus years, emergency response, now in the security business, private sector. b but i got a call from my daughter maybe 10:10 and knew she was at this concert, route 91 and i think it was her third night there and she was all excited about seeing jason aldean because her and i had gone to a hockey game, first second hockey game in vegas for our new team and saw a poster. dad, i m going to be there that night. and so i knew exactly when she called me that something was wrong. and she was screaming when i answered the phone, dad, dad, dad, somebody is shooting at us, i don t know where it s coming from. people are falling dead around us. page and her college roommate, grew up with her in vegas, page s brother and his girlfriend and i asked her if she could get cover. she said i don t know. just all of you run as fast as you can get and get away from that, a moving target is much harder to hit. she did. i said stay on the phone with me. she did her best to do that and called me back a couple of times, lost each other. he ran in the house, got my got dressed and outside in the garage and got a gun and my old police badge and headed offer in michely shelby mustang to find and help her. that s what i do. probably the dumbest thing to do but that s what you think of when you ve been doing this that long. i got her on the phone again and she said they crossed the street and were in an aircraft hangar that was open. they found a big door to the hanger and hiding under a desk. they couldn t see anybody from where they were at. you stay there until i get there or until metro police officer gets there. and she did. two hours later, one of my sons, brian, who is a metro police officer was able to get over there to her and in that area. i was stopped by the highway patrol closed the freeway and brian was able to get them and get them to safety and transportation and i m so thankful to god and metropolitan police department and all of the first responders because being on the other end of this, it s a different feeling. after all of the years you ve spent on the job, can you believe your department is now the location of actually i m going to stop myself. sheriff, if you can wait a little bit with us, we re going live to the white house south lawn. the trumps and pennsylvances arg out to observe this moment of silence, members of the white house staff on both sides. 2:41 p.m., after pausing a moment of silence, a lone marine sounding chime from the balcony above them. president and first lady vice president mrs. pence go back inside. the white house and now they will probably file inside the members of the white house staff. we were talking with bill young. former sheriff of the las vegas metropolitan police department. sheriff, what i was asking was after all of your years on the job, can you believe that we ve had apparently the largest mass murder by gun in the his tri of our country on your old beat in the department you served and loved? it s hard for me to even fathom it and wrap my brain around it. i ve always believed that anything is possible anywhere and we ve got a little situation here, brian. we ve got a guy that s going to try to start a fight with somebody here. okay. i m going to bet on the sheriff in this situation but it is probably best that we not televise what s going on on that street corner. manny gomez, you can understand after being son the job so many years, what that must feel like, a guy who knows every inch of the city of las vegas, willing to die for it and last night he s got two kids involved in it. what a feeling p helplessness? terrible. i have a 21-year-old son myself. i could only imagine what the former sheriff must have felt terrified. at the same time it tells us the problem that we re having and it should be addressed, the conversation really needs to be addressed as to what we re going to do. this is not the last one. this is one of several and perhaps one of many that will continue to happen if government doesn t do anything about this. i think he spoke for all of us when he said i ve got my badge and my gun and got in my mustang and drove downtown fast. i think if most of us had a badge and gun, we would have done the same thing. 100%, i know i would have, especially knowing my child was there. it s parts of a bigger problem that we need to seriously discuss and being in government as i ve been for many years, i saw it inside of government and see it outside of government now, it s a prevalent problem that is not going to stop unless it s addressed at its root. we ll be here talking about this time and time again, brian. it s sad and unfortunate but it s not being addressed the way it should be. think of the fact that all you needed to do a few minutes ago was reel off the names of places in our country. places we re all familiar with and in some cases, people who didn t grow up knowing sandy hook and connecticut, they do now because of a mass murder. absolutely. and at sandy hook there were children, the other places there were young people. now young people all ages and from all types and places in the u.s. came to gather at this concert to celebrate and instead of a celebration, it was a death sentence unfortunately for many of them. aurora, colorado, san bernard de bernardino, california. columbine. i should pass along, not verified or confirmed by nbc news, piece of journalism here in the wall street journal, they are reporting investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully ought matic in the room of the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay resort and casino. the room registered to 64-year-old stephen paddock. the weapons included ar-15 style and ak-47 style rifles as well as a large cache of ammunition. the official said this would only match what most of our expert guests have been saying all day today, that if the weapons themselves did not come into the world as full automatic, and manny, correct me, you can take what i believe to be the largest best selling gun in the united states, the ar-15 body, you can take that and retrofit that into something fully automatic that would sound and perform like what we heard on that tape, correct? absolutely, it s commercial. you can buy it in the internet and you can buy the kits that convert it and that goe from semiautomatic to fully automaoac easily and cheaply to be quite honest with you. this is something combined with the legality of these assault rifles and the potential of turning them from deadly to deadliest, these are weapons that were made for the military. and they were made for one purpose only, to kill human beings. isn t the popularity of the a rif r-15, the basic chassis supports so many modifications. it accepts a lot of modifications and the velocity in which one could fire a round, it s much quicker than anything out there than any hunting rifle and certainly any shotgun and those are the number of rounds per second or per minute leaves the shooter with the potential to whether it s target shooting or hunting or in this case a massachuset mass massacre to get a lot more targets in its bull s-eye than a more conventional firearm. i m told it s now safe to go back to the street corner where former las vegas pd sheriff bill young was so nice to join us and that the altercation has since passed. i was worried i was going to have to come out there. i could have used your help. i just stood here in place. i knew that was the best choice especially while you re on camera, to not get involved. thank you for your cool professionalism. and it s good to be back with you. how do you think las vegas comes back from this? that s question number one. and question number two, bill, as a law enforcement professional and i imagine we have people on the job throughout the country watching this today who are just sad and interested in how this kind ever thing could happen, what do you think the lessons learned will be, the after action report from this is going to be after we get through this first wave of sadness for all of the souls who have been lost. brian, that s you know, that s a very wide ranging question or two. i want to start by first saying this. i was involved in this as soon as i heard about it from my daughter. from the onset. i was responding there at the same time that the first responders in this community were responding and all i can do is tell you, the las vegas metropolitan police department and all of the first responders i encountered especially nevada highway patrol and clark county fire department performed above and beyond my wild eflt dreams, the quick response clearly in my mind saved many lives. i know there s other first responder i m leaving out there but those in particular, my sa. my department, i couldn t tell you how proud i am of them today because i know what they did and i saw and heard story after story and from the sheriff who s done a fantastic job, all the way down to the men and women who work in the communication center and every other aspect of our agency, it couldn t be any better. and yet, we still have this result. so that s kind of the answer to this question. something like this can happen in any community, at any time, given the gun law that is we have in the united states, which are the second amendment, which i m a strong supporter of. we have an individual that i don t know if he has any history of mental illness or what his criminal history is. obviously had ten semiautomatic and automatic rifles at his disposal. i don t know the history of those rifles. i own 25, 30 guns, i ve hunted and fished all my life in this state. i support it. but at the same time, i think that we all have to be cognizant of the fact this world has changed the last 20, 25 years, the fascination with guns on some people s parts that don t have business having a gun because of the results we saw here today. i wish i had a better answer. i will tell you this, that i would suggest to every agency, and i m sure most agree with this, my colleagues, prepare, prepare, prepare and train like it s the real thing. that s one thing we did do here in las vegas starting, you know, with all the sheriffs that i worked for before me, myself, and have continued then fine tuned and gotten better at it. i was around for just about the the onset of 9/11. i was elected in november of 2002. we had a lot of threats here towards las vegas, all kinds of terrorism threats. and i thought, first thing in my mind last night responding there this was paris, france, something of that nature and it turned out to be a different type of terrorism than what i had imagined. i always thought that las vegas because of our iconic value, american s place to play, the sheer numbers of hotels, you know, 10 of the 12 largest hotels in the world right there on the strip, large volume of people you know, i hesitate to say that, but i m surprised we waited this long before we had a mass shooting here of some sort. but we ve got to live life, all of us in america, and move forward. i grew up here bb this is my town. we re resilient. we ve survived a lot in this town. this may be the worse thing we have to come back from, but we survived 9/11, it had devastating effects to our economy, survived a tremendous recession, which doesn t compare to this. but all i want to express is to all the people in the united states that are sending us here in las vegas good wishes and we thank you and keep all the men and women that were killed and injured in their prayers. the police officers here are fantastic, i have two boys on the job and they were both out there last night in uniform. very proud of them. i have another son that s a clark county fire paramedic, who was off during that. and my daughter, all she can tell you is thank god and thank you police officers. please, people in america, remember what cops really are. they re not how they re being portrayed by some. they re some of the best human beings we have in the country, and they proved it again last night. all you have to do is look at the video and hear the stories from the people there. former sheriff, bill young, las vegas metropolitan police department. there s no reason to add a word to what you just said and said beautifully. thank you so much, god bless. we ll be thinking of all of you in the days and weeks to come. our great thanks to former sheriff young. john chot is with us. he s a former nave steeale, director of operations at the win resorts. he s with us from las vegas. wynn would be one of the modern day kingpins of las vegas. so, sir, how would you secure against this if this guy, now dead, had checked into your hotel? had checked into the wynn and had brought a window punch with him and knocked at a window at the wynn and fired down on a crowd from there. my theory is there s some things in life that separates he s just a guy one second and in the next second he s a lethal killer. it s like the bridge going across the livriver teems in london, it was a car until it took a sharp turn and became a killing machine. yes, sir. obviously in a perfect world we wouldn t have these conversations this afternoon. i think that your whole point is really kind of a key aspect for everybody to understand, which is that in the great scheme of things you can t really protect against everything that occurs out there. if you do, from a theoretical component, i suppose you could put a 50 foot concrete dome over every venue that exists or hotel there is, and strip search everyone coming into or out of the property. the problem is there s not a reasonableness associated with that. so for this event that took place, i think las vegas has done an exceptional job, particularly in the post 9/11 environment of taking extraordinary steps to enhance what their security offerings are that are outside of the standard realm and the issues that are the day-to-day glor fied securing the cash cage, the proliferation of fake ids or narcotics or whatever else to trying to put into place mitigation measures for these type of events. i can only speak with a certain degree of specificity about the wynn resorts. what mr. wynn foresaw, particularly in light of the san bernardino shootings and the time, money and personnel they put into developing what i would largely consider to be probably one of the most substantial, at least in the hospitality realm, aspects that exist. this is not a plug for the wynn, i have no association with them anymore. i understand. but to your original question, these are the two issues that you have to contend with. it s the wolf in the sheep s clothing, so to speak. the likelihood of somebody dressed in black tactical gear strolling up to one of the main valet entrances and using that as their engagement point is probably very low and is reasonably very low. even if that were the case, the properties up and down the strip and in the greater las vegas area all have very robust mitigating measures to address those types of threats. i think the concern does become and materialize to where your standard vehicle becomes a weapons of choice. what do you do when a guest controls their narrative on how they look normal, checking in like any guest does, but what can you carry in your bag into the hotel my other question is, would gun cases even if this guy came in with multiple gun cases you have a big local gun show the 7th and 8th of october, all of our guests have said, multiple gun cases upon check in, this is nevada, this is las vegas, would not get special mention. i can again, i can only speak to exactly what takes place at wynn resorts. not only because all all hotels on the strip are private property. so they can make a they can draw out what their particular requirement is, if they will allow private firearms on the property. if not, i know specifically at the wynn they are not allowed. for the shows that come into town, eventual off duty law enforcement officers that might be here for convention or a leash you areally weekend are still required to check in their firearms. the processes put in place at that property for people who don t necessarily want to check it in, there are substantial ways to observe when somebody is carrying a firearm and then they take the measures to have them check in or remove themselves from property. john, thank you so much for joining us. that was an interesting last point. you have to wonder how many people do take it seriously, you have to wonder as we retrace the steps of this now dead gunman, how much imagery is there of him, this stay in this hotel,