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trans people who should control their own narratives and sense of who they are. not every trans person is entirely comfortable with their past and the gender that they were born into. not every trans person wants to have to explain that. basically, especially in a case like essay anne, she wanted to be seen as a woman. as far as was jermaine to the story she should have been seen as a woman. >> and what were the mistakes in the reporting process then? seems like one of them was perhaps outing dr. v to a person who did not know about her identity. >> that was a massive mistake. i mean, as much as bill simmons appropriately i think takes this one, you know, luke for the team in his es sesay and did a greatb of apologizing, a fundamental problem is whatever levels of editorial management did not catch this, at the end of the day caleb should not have been in a position to have talked about essay anne's gender to anybody else before that story. i mean, outing her to a colleague or an nufinvestor in t situation is unconscionable.

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ratings you can undercut that long-term credibility. >> so when people say there's important things at play here like the danger of drag racing, that's pretty legitimate or not? >> i mean, it's a story. look, i'm a tv critic. my career is premised on the idea that, you know, pop culture entertainments actually are important. and i think there are. i think there was cultural value to the miley cyrus twerking story when everybody was talking about it. there were actual cultural signifiers being played with and where is society going and so forth. the question is it's a story. but it's not the story. it's a celebrity dui. you know, it was not the o.j. simpson murder case. >> i think i agree with -- greta van zest ren wrote on her blog, let's put it up on screen. she said "watch for those in the media who cover justin bieber by doing segments about how awful the media is covering justin bieber. that's the oldest trick in the book. that's exactly what anchors do when they want the celebrity ratings but they think it will tarnish their images to do the story." and i hear us, dorsey, i hear us

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awkward and unplanned. she called it the bad luck of the draw, it happens sometimes in cable news. and i'm going to put her full comments online right after the show. moving on to i would say a more important story now, earlier this month the sports and pop culture blog grantland published a gripping story about the inventor of a highly specialized golf club. the title was "dr. v's magical putter." dr. v was dr. essay anne vanderbilt. 2/3 of the way through the story the writer, caleb hannon, revealed that dr. v, an intensely private person, was a transgender woman. then at the very end hannon revealed that dr. v had killed herself last fall while caleb was busy researching and writing his story. he declined to be here today. readers and lgbt advocates strongly criticized grant for the story and some even accused the site of causing dr. v to commit suicide. grantland's editor in chief bill simmons says that's a false conclusion. but simmons is up front about the failures that occurred in the editing process. here's a letter he wrote to

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your research? what surprised you most? because you spent so much effort on this original magazine cover story. >> well, part of the reason i wrote this story was not just to talk about my own experience, which many, many women have done, you know, in the past few years. but what i was really sort of trying to do is advance the discussion beyond talking and sort of put pressure on legal experts, on law enforcement officers, and on technology companies to start understanding their role in the problem. >> my impression before your articles was that so much of this is political, you know, it's liberals attacking conservative women or conservatives attacking liberal women. but your article made me think about how it affects writers of all stripes, reporters of all stripes, not just politics and policy but many different topics. and you know, i think the assumption sometimes is that the people that are writing these kinds of threats are men. but amy, that's not always the case, is it? >> yeah, that was something that

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coverage. >> that's right. we can enable the cnn alert to have a see it button. press on it and your tv would show it to you or you could view it on your phone. >> some noncomcast shows like "the bachelor" on abc have started include it. time warner cable and charter are expected to implement it soon. for now it's like a giant cell phone in the 1980s. it's very early stage but has a lot of potential. someday it's probably going to be everywhere. i bet your onscreen guide will automatically tell you what shows your friends are watching someday soon. seeking of the web, more of our media coverage on cnn.com, including my story about sean hannity who told viewers a few days ago he might run for office someday. and a debate about this "new york times" magazine cover about hillary clinton. it was really made for social media. also online this week, my explanation about why verizon is spending a reported $500 million on technology that might improve future of tv. and a story i wrote yesterday

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few days? >> well, from a cable news standpoint, i cover cable news, so the way i looked at it it seemed like fox news kind of covered it's right amount of proportion. you know, they covered it with minute little hits like kind of teasing segments that seemed to never come. and you know, cnn definitely led the charge. it's expected because you know, there's a very public push for entertainment coverage with cnn. so i was actually expecting more coverage from cnn. you know, when you look at -- >> you mean more than there actually was? >> yeah. >> so you think there was some restraint on the part of the press. >> i thought there was some restraint on cnn's part and on cable news's part. but it's a big story. you know, he's a big celebrity. people either love him or hate him. and if you're a producer for a tv show, front page editor for a website or social media editor, you have to know that people are going to be interested in this story either way. so you're going to go with it. >> james, did you expect even more coverage than there was? >> i wasn't surprised that cnn

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with that. their whole push is to bring news to younger people. you know, and you'd think that younger people are going to be more interested in this bieber story than just about everybody. >> james, was that a marketing stunt, do you think, for al jazeera and fusion to basically dismiss this story as fluff in. >> well, i can't get inside their heads. i think there can be a value proposition as establishing yourself as a serious network that doesn't cover stupid news just because it's going to get ratings. by the way, aw v value proposit that i think cnn has also identified in the past. there is, leaving ratings aside, there is a business, you know, dollars and cents value to cnn to be perceived as the serious news network that you can respectably show in public. it's why it does so well internationally, why it does so well digitally, why they show cnn in airport and hotel lounges. and one risk here besides the issue of actually informing the public the way journalism is supposed to is that to chase, you know, sort of short-term

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saying it's not awful that they're covering justin bieber but it's about the amount, it's about the proportion. >> right. and i've criticized cnn about coverage like going way over the top with like the cruise ship, the poop ship. >> watch out. there's another cruise ship out there now that's having trouble near puerto rico. >> i've been seeing teases for that. and that was kind of overkill. you know. and if you want to look back at the first day that the christie story broke, the bridge story, i mean, it was almost double -- i mean more than double the amount of time cnn and nbc covered that story compared to the bieber story. >> dorsey, you live in the internet. i feel like i see you tweeting every day. i want to put up a few memes on story. what was amazing was how fast these funny pictures and memes appeared on online. one showed a little kid pretending to be pulled over by cops. how does the web react so fast to these stories? >> i mean, jenna wortham at "the new york times" had a story the other day talking about this,

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right now in miami justin bieber has been arrested on a number of charges. the judge is reading the charges including resisting arrest and driving under the influence. >> now, that's one way to cover it. but for others in the media, avoiding the story and making sure you knew they were avoiding the story was just as tempting. check out this graphic on the bottom of the screen on the new cable channel fusion. it says "insignificant breaking news." >> you think bieber and you think figures like gandhi, mother theresa, or beyonce. i mean, he's a gift to us delivered from canada and does anyone really want to live in a world where justin bieber can be arrested? >> al jazeera dragged everybody, drag raced everybody to the high road by mentioning bieber's name just once on thursday. to me this is all about proportion and tone. so who got it right? who got it wrong? joining me in new york, james poniewozik of "time" magazine and here in new york, dorsey shaw of buzzfeed. dorsey, who did get it right? who had the right proportion and tone in this coverage the last

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