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know what they're asking for and they know what he wants to keep, it is classified material. and he thought he would just imagine it declassified and keep it. we know from reporting from both glenn and betsy organizations, that we had cockeyed plans to keep it and trade it for other -- he had no intention of giving it back. and what is revealed is not just the weakness of the men and women who functioned as his lawyers who are now witnesses against him before jack smith's grand jury. but the effect of seven years of nobody holding him accountable. >> nobody holding him accountable. and you know, the first thing that came to mind as you do in your story, this valet is being set up to be the fall guy for this whole thing it seems. if no one else -- >> and he's not cooperating to someone is giving him different direction than the federal government. >> exactly right. and i look at this and to your point, these are attorneys that do what attorneys do. they take notes and they make these contemporaneous moats and
we have a very experienced team of department directors and key staff, they have dealt with storms before. none this strong, i don't believe, but nonetheless, they know what to do and how to do it, so we have gotten a quick start on the recovery process, relocated a lot of debris out of the roadways, so that our normal services for sanitation and solid waste can start, and the people in the community can drive around. we had some things here we have not seen in the past, such as our yacht basins, some of the moats were piled up, and some were thrown out, washed out of the yacht basin or the marina, vehicles were carried down the street, relocated me and damaged . have some water and some homes, and some wind damage, but we have had wind, and high rains, with previous storms,
classified. not sure that is a fact, but you have an incredible new piece of reporting that puts all of this history together, and i want to read some of it, katie benner. you write about meadows' role specifically in standing between trump and his sticky fingers and the national security documents and you write this, meadows assured aides from the hurried packing up of the white house would follow requirements about the press vagsz of documents and he said they would make efforts that they would comply with the records act. the white house emailed all its offices detailing instructions about returning documents and cleaning up spaces. meadows followed up on those moats and encouraged offices to comply and that's according for a person -- he said he would talk to trump including one
to refuse to give into that kind of despair is the kind of healing the pain creates a better community or better society where people may feel more comfortable reaching out to law enforcement or talking to each other about things that concern them. but i think if we give into the fear, then we all just dig moats and retreat behind them and hide in our own bunkers, and that's how societies become unravele, d eventually. >> tom, you also write a book changing this cultural conversation. there are advocates who have worked in space around guns, and see that is one theory of change, and of really shifted their work to be about young people and the conversations we have with young people about guns. gun culture, and the beginning to understand that this may be a ten, 15, 20-year project when we want the next generation to come up believing that they are more safe in a world without guns. your sense of what it will take to shift america's thinking about our relationship to guns?
that type of environment. maybe i'm being overly optimistic or pollyannaish, but to review this to give into that kind of despair is the kind of healing the pain creates a better community or better society where people may feel better reaching out to law enforcement or talking to each other about things that concern them. but i think if we give into the fear then we all just dig moats and retreat behind them and hide in our own bunkers, and that's how societies become unraveled eventually. >> tom, you also write a book changing this cultural conversation. there are advocates who have worked in space around guns, and see that is one theory of change, and of really shifted their work to be about young people and the conversations we have with young people about guns. gun culture, and the beginning to realize that this may be a ten, 15, 20-year project when
not been public. their accounts are credible on the one hand hand. mark esper resisted donald trump in a number of ways that never became public at the time. again if people were publicly protesting trump, he would have gotten rid of them even sooner. and a whole different category of filks would have come in. so it's not a simple question, but the sheer number of outrageous illegal unconstitutional things that donald trump said through the course of his presidency i don't think we are anywhere near to scratching the surface, frankly, don, of the crazy insdeas like this that trump articulated. remember he wanted to fill moats, you know, at the border with, you know, alligators and he -- or he ordered the military to shoot at immigrants coming over the border. i mean, you know, so it's entirely consistent with what we already know about trump. >> oh, boy.
create new tech leadership, and i'm going to get into why they are the way they are just right after i make this comment. we have got to uproot that i have already uprooted my company. we need others to join in and create new tech leadership outside of silicon valley. d.c. is also not going to be the answer. when are they ever really the answer for anything? when they get involved in the government, they will create moats are on the income and social disadvantage entrepreneurs like myself building new technologies that are going to challenge them. >> mike: here's more from your op-ed. instead of turning to government that can only call and trim, the focus should be in planting and harvesting new tech. apps, algorithms, and platforms are inevitable and they need to be built on a firmer foundation, a deep respect for human dignity, free speech, privacy, democracy, religious belief, individual liberty, and the limitless potential of every person. how does that get started?