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The Beat With Ari Melber

you committed a very serious federal crime. >> right. so the charges that they're looking at are conspiracy charges, which all you have to do for a conspiracy is agree to take some criminal action, and take some step in furtherance of that criminal action, so even if they did not actually obstruct the congressional proceeding, they conspired, they agreed to obstruct that proceeding. you know, the same with whether or not they conspired to defraud the united states with this fake elector scheme where you see the forged documents. i mean, these are great documents that any prosecutor dreams of where you have just blatant forgeries, but neal is absolutely right. you're going to be looking at all of the witnesses who are close to this, people who were in the front seat, people who are in the oval office. the, you know, former state officials, the former campaign officials, chief of staff, vice president, these are people who

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The Beat With Ari Melber

looking at a subset of this conduct, the fake electors scheme in georgia, and she has already forecasted her timing, which is late july, early august. so i think we're going to see charges coming and i think they will be the next month or so. i think he's going to want to try to get ahead of georgia, if he can. >> super interesting because then we have the actual time line in the docs case. i told neal, i always try to be direct with folks. we're juggling more than one update here. we mentioned, interestingly, you would think smith would want the fastest trial for the reasons ms. greenberg told us, he's asking for the december trial, later than the judged ruled based on the evidence mentioned. he was asking to keep the witness list secret. as journalists and others, we're diagnose to get our hands on it because it will tell us part of the plan. we know it will be apparently about 80 witnesses. but in a ruling today, jack smith lost his effort to keep that secret from the public.

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The Beat With Ari Melber

protecting donald trump, you're bound to witness some questionable behavior. >> yeah, neal, what do you think jack smith's approach is because as i emphasized, he has the very special portfolio of did anyone commit a crime who wasn't physically storming the capitol? the answer may be no. the answer may be they find the evidence doesn't lead to a criminal standard to what people sort of did off site or conversely the answer could be for people like giuliani, eastman, sidney powell, others, really did eventually cross a line of conspireing of exhorting people to knowingly interfere with this federal proceeding and/or we're just on the hook enough for active future crimes like elector fraud, and the fact that none of those resonate with the american public as oh, yeah, that happened, and then pence did this, and then we lost our democracy, right, they didn't pull it all off. that legally doesn't matter for whether there's a charge there,

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The Beat With Ari Melber

you, smith thought strategically he would like to have less people knowing about it. he thought that would be easier. >> in his motion there wasn't a reason given for why he wanted that under seal. i'm not surprised by december 11th, again, four month delays is still a speedy trial here, and he by doing -- by having a trial on december 11th, he gets in before the manhattan trial, which is currently scheduled for late march. he also would get in before the e. jean carroll part two, which is scheduled for january. he wants to be next. and i think looking at the holiday season, not a lot going on in a courthouse mid to late december, and so for security reasons -- >> you're saying that's a positive, they can dominate that time. >> i think it's a strategic decision on their part to pick that date so there are fewer people in the courthouse. >> who among us, neal, when you think about former presidents officials, has planned out there, their hanukkah christmas among the what did you say, at least three trials and whaefr else is pending.

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The Beat With Ari Melber

you know, just typical government official type planning. >> what all post government officials are treated to. >> i can fit you in, i'm running over but you get the last word. >> one other thing about the sealed witnesses thing. it was opposed by the press because of transparency, and judge cannon's order seems to want to say she wants to be more transparent. that's a huge sign. i would like to see this trial televised, live, audio and video in realtime, and her ruling suggests maybe she's open to that. >> i'm glad you raised that as the final point. she has made rulings that were rightly controversial, but we have to follow each motion and see where we go. this is a motion for transparency, it was procedurally a little bit against smith but not the biggest deal to him and that team. and we're going to be tracking it. neal and kristy, thank you both.

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The Beat With Ari Melber

they wanted to file it under seal. just going to the other side, and here's the headline, denying prosecution from smith for filing the list of witnesses at the trump can't speak under seal. the federal judge presiding over the criminal prosecution of trump, denying a request to file under seal. the immediate effect of the ruling is the list of 84 witnesses who may testify against trump at trial will go public, instead of just to the defense teams. i'm curious what you think of that new ruling, neal. >> to me, the most important ruling is the one you didn't mention, which is she said there will be a hearing on the classified information procedures act in july. >> now, i have to interrupt, neal, we did briefly mention that in the previous set up, but go ahead. >> of course. you're always ahead of me, ari, but that to me is consistent with the government's time line of a trial beginning in december. judge cannon seems to be buying into that, and i don't think jack smith was taking a delay. i think that the interim date

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Nicky Campbell

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Alex Wagner Tonight

decisions pretrial, but it's going to result in lengthy delays, which is something the justice department doesn't want and absolutely will be donald trump's bottom line game plan. >> neal, can we talk about something barb just mentioned, the prosecutorial misconduct claim, this was something in the closing days before the indictment wasin released the trump team was talking about comments made by a doj investigator jay bratt to the lawyer for walt nauta, robert woodward. can you talk a bit about what you've heard in terms of that claim and whether it's something for the doj to be worried about, whether it's something judge canon could viably give credence to? >> yeah, every bad criminal defendant tries to make that argument about prosecutorial misconduct. it's going nowhere. it's going nowhere fast. in order to show prosecutorial misconduct like this, you'd have to show some sort of actual malice on the part of the prosecutor, which is just not within the realm of possibility.

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Alex Wagner Tonight

trump will trymi presumably a grain nail strategy, that's a strategy of saying, look, you're saying there's ang classified document i mishandle, you've got to show it in open court. and our intelligence community is worried about that, so there's a t long compromise in dialogue between the justice department and the intelligence community in any sort of criminal trial. one thing that happens sometimes you substitute under the classified information procedures act a sensitive document for something that is less sensitive or that redacts the information in one way or another. those are things you really want someone with experience to handle, but unfortunately it looks like at this point that's not what we have. >> we're going to dig into a lot of the ins and outs of the clsified documentsof and how the make their way into a trial setting, but beyond what you're saying, neal, which is well-taken, there are other areas where i think-t some folk think it's sort of been settled

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Alex Wagner Tonight

actually be a significant concern here in terms of this case actually making it to trial. because, though, neal rightfully points out n this case -- it is very strong case that the doj is making. it's very straightforward. it's very simple. there are off-ramps, if you will, fors, her. and they suggest that, you know, the doj may have in its back pocket a potential indictment up in bedminster, which is where somer, of the recordings trump made were, where he acknowledges he has classified documents in his possession, and he can't declassify them post-presidency. do you think bedminster exist post doj or is that fantastical thinking? >> there are allegations it was at bedminster in new jersey where he disclosed to unauthorized peopleos classifie information, so it could be a basis for a charge. it seems like the indictment in florida is a very solid one.

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