the president now? no. i don t, no i don t have nothing to say to him. let s remember, general john kelly deployed his considerable stature to back trump and frame this as fight between a serious president and loud, lying member of congress. then the tape surfaced showing it was kelly who had his facts wrong and today miss johnson s remarks it show you you can take congresswoman out of the picture and still have word of grieving mother contradicting the word of president. a president who has broken records for his misleading and false statements in office. general kelly, it is not too late for you. you can correct this record so we can all move on. but asking people to move on without correcting the record isn t moving on at all. in fact it is contrary to the accountability required. no person is above checks and balances. joining me, joint call from cbc urging general kelly to apologize for blatant lies about congresswoman johnson. first niger. former terror intelligence officer and long-time journalist, author of fantasyland, relevant to part of this debate. malcolm, what do you make of where this goes now, military trying to do relatively serious but nonpartisan briefings with the undertow of a president who continues to want to submerge everyone in what appear to be falsehoods? right now department of defense and special operations command and africa command will be doing deep dive after action reports to get to the bottom of how this ambush formed, how the personnel on the ground managed the fight on the ground. and there s one thing missing from the story, sergeant johnson got separated at some point but managed to move a mile away from the contact point. that shows he was fighting on the move, fighting and evading as single man unit. and defense department is going to investigate that and going to want to know how he got separated, what kind of combat support was brought in and whether it could be done faster. but there are two stories here, political story and story of the four heroes on the ground and special forces oda and how they managed to overcome overwhelming odds. all these stories will come out. here s what he said about the information owed to the families. with regard to being transparent, i think we owe the families and american people transparence in incidents like this. how should that work malcolm, given something you understand better than most of us, aspects of this that are sensitive even as they say they want to rule out what happened so people know? to a certain extent we ve had problems with this issue before. transparence of the administration when a loved one, member of the armed forces died. remember the issue with pat tillman in afghanistan, former nfl player who became a ranger, went into combat and initial report he was killed in combat by enemy force, turned out to be friendly fire. these issues should have been worked out in advance. these families deserve to know as much as humanly possible about the loss of their loved deference of military officer and played that up making a false political attack. the congresswoman stood up in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, sto stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building. even for someone that is that empty a barrel, we were stunned. that attack stays on the record. video s been played. msnbc went to the trouble of playing entire video to see it in context and make up their minds. series of lies. only an issue when donald trump made it one in impromptu press conference by lying about is having written to almost every person who s died and lying about predecessors never calling survivors of dead soldiers and marines. those two lies existed. general kelly gets out there, perfectly fine moving beginning of this thing, then pivots to this lie about what the congresswoman had done at dedication of the fbi building he attended a few years ago. it s extraordinary. this doesn t need to exist. the niger event is an event of a kind that happens. could have been put away. donald trump could have answered that initial press conference question with my heart is with the survivors and brave men who died. he wasn t asked a pressing question, just why haven t you said anything about this mr. president. right. and john mccain, military service, not a prerequisite but interesting to hear him go there. we drafted lowest income level of america and highest income level found a doctor that what have we learned? what is your view where we go from here? and what is it incumbent on chief of staff john kelly to do now that the video has been exposed? general kelly can take the responsibility for admitting that he was wrong, that he had lied on the congresswoman. i think it s important for us all to work to get this behind us. first of all, make it absolutely clear our heart goes out to the families of all of the soldiers who were killed in niger. and we should let them know that not only do they have our condolences but we stand with them and appreciate the sacrifice they all are making. having said that, this president, president trump did it again. he has the most distorted leadership of any president i ve ever known or heard about. here he had the opportunity to make the condolence call, do it properly, recognize this family and their grieving and also to know the name of the soldier who had been killed. he did not remember the name, he didn t handle it well. and even if he had been counseled to talk about, perhaps, young people going into war, into service like this understand the risks involved. but he didn t do it correctly and he needs to admit that. first, he needs to apologize. he lied on other presidents that had gone on before him, saying they didn t do it as well as he did. that he called everyone. and in typical trump fashion gets off the phone, is challenged and backtracks, tries to call all those families, gets his personnel to identify all the families who have lost members in service to this country and then he tries to make up by sending some kind of a letter or note to them. it is so unconsonable in the way he handles leadership. and general kelly has had a great career and have his career basically unmined by the president of the united states because he s trying to protect and stand up for the president when the president did not deserve to be stood up for, he s damaged himself. his credibility is at question. he needs to call the congresswoman and apologize. he lied on the congresswoman. he said he was there, he said he heard her, and then, when the video clip was played that basically demonstrated exactly what she said and how she said it, it was obvious that he had lied. so he needs to apologize. if the president will apologize to mrs. johnson and if general kelly will apologize to congresswoman, i think we can put this behind us. but until that is done, it is not going to go away. you re absolutely correct. all of the women of the congressional black caucus have come together and we re demanding an apology. we re sick and tired of women being undermined, dismissed, and black women in particular being called named. she was called wacky, fredericka wilson an honorable member of the house of representatives that we all respect. i followed the cbc, does a lot of work on policy, is it your view she was treated differently because of her race and gender? i think it goes along with it. he seems to have this tendency to talk down to people of color, to treat them with disrespect. and i think this adds to it. i think the fact that first of all, he called her wacky, secondly, that he didn t back down, that he simply talked about her in a way that was not respectful. i think that yes, i think is adds to the suspicion of him and the way that he thinks about minorities and black people in particular. congresswoman waters, thanks for coming on the beat. you re welcome. thank you. coming up, interview with top putin critic found himself put on the most wanted list, kremlin silencing critics using global policing. and bill o reilly s handling of sexual harassment lawsuits. talk about that and women s rights in the trump era. planned parenthood president. and talk about the opioid crisis and his heartfelt words for people struggling with addiction. i m ari melber, you re watching the beat on the msnbc. i take pictures of sunrises, but with my back pain i couldn t sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i m back. aleve pm for a better am. discover card. i justis this for real?match, yep. we match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money! hard to contain yourself, isn t it? uh huh! let it go! whoo! get a dollar-for-dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover. is scrutinizing tony podesta, brother of john podesta, the issue being the russian friendly ukrainian political projects that hired paul manafort and podesta s company. mueller not commenting as usual but trump is. new interview, says nobody at doj has asked for interview. there s a report that you re legal team is saying yes, do a interview with robert mueller. is that what you re going to do? nobody has asked me to do that, i don t know. there is no collusion. i can tell you. joined now, betsy, we re seeing in dribs and drabs. people who follow this come across your name as one of the reporters breaking these stories. that investigation is proceeding. podesta news shows that interviews confirmed with reince priebus and sean spicer show that. what else are you seeing? is it relevant if the president will testify? it s relevant to ask if the president could be in on this. in the past, waco debacle, had a phone conversation to interview then president bill clinton. there s precedent for moouler to speak with trump. can t predict it. over the last week and likely for next two weeks, current and former white house staff are sitting down for interviews with mueller and his team and that s a legally risky situation. likely to be fbi agents present for the interviews. if any of the white house staff answering questions deliberately lie could face legal liability. some folks close to the white house want to suggest this podesta news means mueller changed focus, reality is it s complex, bigger than most reports can explain in clear bay and not likely to be over soon. and there s reports that congressional side there s more partisan drama. bipartisan accounting appears to be dwindling. republicans looking to wrap it up. shift from the beginning where it looked bipartisan. they have elections coming up. want to wrap things up. not pretty topic for republicans regardless of where they stand. has to do with russia s interference in the election. significant news about mueller investigating podesta. this transcends politics. mueller is not a political hack. evidence that something big is going on here. also work going on before president trump announced candidacy. whether or not it benefits trump remains to be seen. not a rabbit hole though. first glances looks like might be rabbit hole and unrelated to probe and going down political channels but it s not. it s all connected to paul manafort, president trump s campaign chair. noose is tightening on manafort. speaking to experts on the foreign agents registration act is fun to do. not many of them. they said fact that rachel maddow is doing reports on fara is amazing to them. that s the law that could hit the podesta group. look at motivation, bob mueller will go where he goes. argument is could be good news for donald trump if there s no findings of collusion, anybody else hit on the playing field, can get rid of staff. he s done that. mueller is going to follow where it leads but rod rosenstein, number two at justice department will have to make big decisions. regulation for special counsel dictates if mueller or anybody else finds evidence of a crime outside the scope of his or her mandate, may have to go to attorney general, rod rosenstein in this case to decide what to do with that evidence. rosenstein could be in the position of deciding what to do with what mueller and team find here. another piece that s important, work that podesta group was doing on behalf of ukrainian clients is really troubled human rights folks and former american diplomats. they were trying to convince the lawmakers that the ukrainian electricities were above board, clean and good election. while it happened, podesta group clients had political opponents in prison. propaganda peddling that deeply frustrated human rights a activists and people who cared about good government in ukraine. some of that goes to lot of things in washington that may be legal or on the line that could disgust the average observer and 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two new york times reporters who broke the story. we have physical proof that this is bull [ bleep ]. this is bull [ bleep ]. this is horrible what i went through, what my family went through. this is crap, and you know it. it s politically and financially motivated. and we can prove it with shocking information. that is part of o reilly s side as well as his denials which we ve reported. another side, former fox news host who came out today speaking on megyn kelly today . i m terrified, i don t know why i m about to cry. it is just difficult, many women go into the settlement agreement because they just don t want to face what potentially could be coming at them. again, dealing with a corporation, filled with people who are going to do everything they possibly can to make sure that they win and you don t. and i m joined by cecile richards. what is your accounting of all these allegations stacking up and coming out. horrifying, beginning with harvey weinstein stories and continuing on. as you re seeing across the country, not a woman in america who isn t now reliving some experience. i just really want to thank the women who have been brave enough and had the courage to come forward. it s establishing how prevalent this is. and frightening thing, how prevalent it may be even with the policies of the u.s. government. right. and when women know it s prevalent and epidemic or seen as something that you sadly must get through, and must deal with and get on with in work environment, what does it take to make men aware of how prevalent this is? seems to be a group of people doing pred dags, that s bad and group of people silently enabling it or in denial how prevalent it is. we see this at planned parenthood every day, treat women who have survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence. and it is good to see male allies speaking up but having a government denying women access to reproductive rights and health care like texas makes it more disturbing. and young woman in texas is literally held hostage by the trump administration. walk us through this. undocumented individual, who would otherwise typically have the right to at least medical treatment and care, in this case put up headline. detained immigrant asking full appeals court to let her get this apportion. young woman apprehended, put into a shelter in texas, found out soon thereafter she was pregnant. said immediately i want to terminate this pregnancy. went through the judicial bypass, in texas it s difficult for young women to get abortion, agreed to by judge, scheduled for september 28th and the trump administration began to get involved. still held hostage, denied legal right to terminate a pregnancy, tip of iceberg. trying to make example out of her? obviously she is an example, there is litigation going on and folks involved in trying to help this young woman get the health care she deserves. what is exposing who this administration put in charge of the government. scott lloyd in charge of unaccompanied minors and refugees, personally taking an interest in denying her access to abortion. told the center where she s living she couldn t get medical care and insisted she go to antiabortion center to talk her out of the decision she had made. also a leaked memo from the trump administration claimed by crooked media, they do a podcast and other things, want to take money from women s health care and encourage people to do fertility awareness birth control. there was something called rhythm method, before women had access to birth control. happy to learn from you. don t want to go this direction. keep women from using birth control and use rhythm method and hope for the best. that s crazy right? well, what it results in is of course millions of unintended pregnancies this is the thing. isn t that what they re opposed to? we re at historic low for teenage pregnancy and 30 year low because of the work of planned parenthood and folks who provide birth control. they re trying 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person who belongs on the interpol list is vladimir putin. vladimir putin is a criminal, he s a killer, and he was responsible for covering up the murder of sergey mag nisky, my lawyer killed in police custody in 2009 and crazy and ironic that instead of him as criminal, he tries to label me as criminal and have interpol try to arrest me to be sent back to russia. insanity. you ve been a leader on stuff for a while, sometimes people say kafkaesque to refer to literary criticisms of unjust systems, wondering if have to describe it as putinesque, lawyer died in russian prison under questionable circumstances but reading, new accusation cartoonish details. russian officials say you that you colluded with british agent to cause the death to persuade the russian prison doctors to withhold care. your response. that s about the silliest thing i ve ever heard. and to add one more element to it, according to their version, i did all that terrible stuff and spent the last eight years traveling all over the world fighting for justice and trying to get the people who killed him prosecuted. says to me putin is losing his mind a little bit here. gotten so crazy about the sanctions in place, u.s. m magnitski act. putin hates it so much, starting to go crazy. he has a lot of huge money in the west and this particular piece of legislation potentially freezes and seizes that money. stay with me. bring in former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul who spoke out about this as it was breaking. ambassador, your view, latest, trump administration asserting they thought they cleared this up, before browder saying that doesn t add up and claim that maybe the sanctions are hurting vladimir putin s pocketbook. with respect to dhs and state department saying and what bill knows, i m glad they re taking it seriously and should get it cleared up right away. i consider it an embarrassment to my government and country there was any ambiguity about the fact that bill browder should be able to travel to our country. larger thing, of course bill is right. i ve listened to vladimir putin talk about the law. he doesn t like it for all the reasons bill just said. therefore bill is one of his enemies. you see by this action, he will use any means that he can to try to go after his enemies. we need to be vigilant in fighting against them. bill, you ve clashed with the putin government, they remain part of the investigation into among other things trump tower meeting. based on your knowledge, do you believe he was directly orchestrating that infamous meeting at trump tower with trump campaign leadership? i have no doubt in my mind that putin was doing everything he could to try to influence u.s. policy. particularly policy towards these sanctions. when this meeting was set up, when the lawyer got that meeting, you can be absolutely assured that putin was involved in the planning and execution of that meeting. it was too important an interaction for putin not to have been involved in. he s a kgb officer, they don t leave anything to chance, plan everything out to the last detail in the kgb. and you re view is based on your knowledge, that s not something to be freelinessed at lower level and for our viewers, you ve crossed paths with the russian-linked lawyer. do you have biases with her or can you separate the financial differences with how the kremlin runs the operations? i haven t had bias against the lawyer or financial disagreement s with her. i was working with the u.s. department of justice, witness in a criminal and civil case in which the u.s. department of justice froze money from the crime that sergei magnitski witnessed in russia and her company had frozen. when i see a woman representing accused money launderers and she s trying to change u.s. law, this is not bias, it s stating this is absurd that a russian can be running around trying to spend millions of dollars influencing u.s. policy and think that s okay and not report it under any of the reporting guidelines required when you do that stuff in washington. final word from you ambassador. sanctions we hear not enough or irrelevant sometimes is the claim. two things on that. one, economists have tried to measure the impact on the economy and differ on that. everybody believes they re having economic affect on russia. whether 1% of gdp or .5%. everybody sees that. evidence is much easier. why if they re not working is vladimir putin trying so hard to lift them? 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where we re at, we re looking at four to five days. so, i know that sounds troublesome but it s important that we dot the i s and cross the t s as far as evidentiary and possible prosecution if the future. injuries, injury number that we are using today, 489. of that 489, 317 has been discharged from the hospital. so the question is, sheriff, you provided several different numbers associated with that all the way up to 527. now, you got to imagine, we re dispersed across several hospitals, relying on intelligent communication of the hospitals to provide us accurate numbers so that s ever changing. in addition hospitals received patients outside of this event. so quite often, or hopefully not quite often, but often some of those patients were double counted or misconstrued as event injuries versus other injuries such as car accidents. so today i m comfortable in saying the injured number is 489. deaths still remain at 59. i told you 59 before, plus one, about suspect, that changed. today it s 58, plus one, the suspect, 59. it s the same reason that occurred before as i explained. so hope you understand that. nobody wants that number to go up, and by the grace of god it went down. so, that s a good thing. so, today i ll provide you updates on our investigation of the mass shootings. more than 100 investigators spent the last 72 hours combing through the life of 64-year-old stephen paddock. to produce a profile on someone aisle call disturbed and dangerous. stephen paddock is a man who spent decades requiring weapons and ammo and lived a secret life, much of cll never be fully understood. and planned on the worst massive attack in united states history. as many reported paddock rented a room at the hotel in downtown las vegas, this has been confirmed. okay. reasons that ran through paddock s mind is unknown but it was directly during as life is beautiful. we have received and recovered evidence from that location, we don t know if it is evidence but we have recovered items in video evidence. you know what, i m using the wrong term, evidence is not the term, we have recovered video from there to review mr. paddock s actions while he was there. it s important for you to understand, the rooms were not rented by the ogden, it was done through airbnb by a private owner unknown to the ogden. so, we have very great cooperation from the owners of life is beautiful, and the ogden and their cooperation. okay, while we have already spoken many people had tact with stephen pad docs at hotels and places he frequented in, we still have more interviews to conduct. since monday, there have been many questions for us to release a timeline and today we have one. i want to point out the information previously reported on the first shot was based on a cad report, a computer aided dispatch. so that report is dependant on whose the particular person calling in and that time stamp. what we have done through the review of body-worn cameras we were able to pull it back to previously from 10:08 to 10:05. so carlos, so i m going to give you a cans to review that, take photographs of it, and i ll walk you through each timeline. so, at 10:05 the first shots fired by the suspect this was seen on close circuit television from the concert venue. 10:12 first two officers arrived on the first floor and reported fire coming from directly above them. 10:13 shots fired by the suspect on body worn camera. 10:17 the first two officers arrived on the second floor. 10:18 squaurt officer tells the offers he was shot and given exact location of the suspect s room. now you ll notice a minute, delta there before they broadcasts and obviously they were in a conversation with the security guard immediately upon them meeting at the elevators. between 10:26 and 10:30 eight additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor clearing the hall ways and look for individual people. they moved this way because they no longer heard active gun shots. 10:55 eight officers arrived in the stair well-at the opposite end of the hallway near the suspect s room. so near the suspect s room you can imagine the hotel room, this doorway and stairwell pretty two to 3 feet away. 11:20 the breach was set off and officers entered the suspect s room and saw the suspect down. so it s a suite. and we have there s a main area of the suite which is the living room, kitchen dine net area and on the opposite end of that, two bedrooms. i m sorry where did i leave off? something yell it out. 11:20. okay so if you do the math on that all the way up to is 1:20 from 10:05 we re looking at 75 minutes. so, young lady here in the front with the red phone, you mentioned 72 minutes so now you see where those minutes came from. 11:27 the second breach set off allowing offices to access the second room and no one else was located within the hotel room. okay, these are following ex tin waiting circumstances as to why we may have appeared, there was some delay or some undue delay in reaching the suspect. the officer in the first strike team reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes which is phenomenal of the first shots being fired. with the officer rived and confirmed the location of the suspect s room the gunfire stopped. in accordance with their training the officers received a master key card from the security guard and began to clear each hotel room. so imagine the elevated bank in the center, 150 feet down on a try plex hotel was the suspect s room. so there are several rooms along the way. no fire was occurring, they could not hear additional fire, they believe it was important to evacuate in case the suspect was barricaded. the first strike team did this. the second team made up of two cay canine personnel squat offers and patrol officers carrying large bags and technical equipment and carrying rifles ford to have a closer location to the suspect s room. they attempted to secure the front doorway of the suspect s room. as they entered into the hallway they received the room service card and appeared on the room service card were cameras. so, they pulled back and waited for the approach of a full swat team. keep in mind, this delay was not undue, it was purposeful and no shots were being heard by the suspect at this point. eventually a plan was formulated, entry was made. suspect was seen laying on the ground. they encountered a closed bedroom door, which was locked and they breached that door, additionally found no other suspect. another investigate issue was cameras. question was presented by cameras and were they recording. we determined none of the cameras were recording. there were two cameras on the room service cart on the hallway, one on the peephole of the front door and additionally there was a baby monitor camera placed in the general family area of the hotel room. none of them were being recorded. one thing i left out was the initial approach and they looked out in the hallway when they observed the cameras on the room service cart. it was obviously there were several rounds discharged through the door and through the blast of the bullets through the door, you could actually see a weapon through those openings if the door but no suspect was seen. those rounds were the rounds that he put through the door in order to shoot at the security guard. okay, the other thing i wanted to update you on is the search warrant of the suspect s vehicle located at the mandalay bay. i have presented that plaintiffs ammonium nitrate recovered but several cases within the car that had not been searched yet. at the last briefing i provided with you. so within those cases there was ten, one pound containers of tahn rite, two pounds of tan rite and twl 1600 rounds of ammunition. so, carlos can you put up the numbers. so this is an ongoing investigation, we can never not have enough information because we are continuing to run down leads. it s important for us to get all the information we can on mr. paddock. because right now we re trying to prove his intent. our understanding of his intent and the history associated with this and whether or not he has any accomplices. so, we ask people to still call into 311, if you re out of state 702-8311. and the fbi and that is ininvestigate and for also electronic media. if you re able to call them they ll provide you the ability to download that online into their system. so at this point, i will provide you essential agent in charge, aaron rous and he will walk you through some of the investigate steps we have accomplished jointly and we ll react in that total investigation. subsequent that i ll come back to this podium for any q & a and personnel from across the nation to assist the las vegas division in this investigation. this includes witness assistance, the aep counsellors, evidence technicians and technical assets. not to mention additional agencies to help cover leads. the information the public will provide discuss going to help solve this. we must focus on facts, we cannot give into conjecture and we cannot respond to every little twitter feed that may indicate a theory. we need to focus on the fact, you need us and expect us to be right and we want to be right. there s going to be questions, i m sure goiyou re going to hav questions about people we ve been talking to, maybe people outside of the united states. the fundamental trust of the american people and the fbi is based upon our discretion, and how good would that discretion be if we were to provide information that they provided to us in confidence. this is about informing on an investigation, this is about resolving an investigation, so spevgs regarding any individual contact cannot be answered. you need us, you trust us, and the way we have that trust is by using good discretion about what we share. additionally, we have multiple leads on across the united states and all across the world for our legal industries determining the whereabouts of the panel of the people involved in this investigation, and that leads grows. a lot of these leads will go nowhere but we have to follow them, and that ll take some time. patience are going to be needed from all of us. we re all interested in the same thing, resolving this issue fairly and factually. with that, i ll turn it back over to the sheriff. okay, happy to answer questions. and please provide some decorum. sheriff. yes, sir. we know you have an opportunity to we know that we know that you had access to his computers, symphonies a symphony cell phones and so forth. while you re not able to tell us specifically what you found. let me ask a ygeneral question. through all that information, is there anything that gives you a sense as to what was going on with this man? without saying what it is. are you seeing anything that gives you a direction or any kind of an answer to that question? globally no. i m sorry to report, no. me personally, but i m not privy obtained to today. mr. rous could probably give you better clarification to that, i haven t been briefed by the fbi on that interview as of yet. what was the other question sir? you said you re still trying to figure out whether he had any accomplices. right. we re obviously going through that. it s troublesome this individual was able to move this amount of gear into a hotel room unassisted. it s troublesome for the amount of stuff he had at both residences unassisted. there s people that know this individual, there s people that can help us understand this individual, because, you know, interesting enough i read a periodical earlier today, it was an fbi profiler that didn t understand this individual. usually there s telltale signs associated with these type of actions, reclusive, a plethora of thing associated with this mind set and we have not found that yet. so what could be more brshl than to fine people who are associated with him either by friendship or accomplice and for us to determine that. thank you. sheriff. yes, sir. two questions. first you mention in your comments he had a secret life. what do you mind by that? well, most of us not most of us, i don t, i don t live through social plead ya. there s a lot of us that live through social media in today s world. there s a lot of people that are interactive in the public, there s a lot of people that have workweeks. this individual was retired. he found out he had real estate investments, relationship wise it s hard to determine what has occurred if his life in the last decade or so. we do know he has an ex-wife. she didn t lead us to any knowledge. everybody knows we talked to his brother, no knowledge was obtained. so anything that would indicate this individual s trigger point, and that would cause him to do such harm, we haven t understood it yet. i think it s important for us to get to there. and you have to be patient with us because this premeditation of this, this is well-thought out. so don t you think the concealment of his history and life was well-thought out? it s becoming upon us as professionals to figure that out. and then besides what he did, that his or her risk act, are there any other signs of a mental break down? i m not aware. i personally have not been briefed on some of these personal background, i m leaving that to the experts. i haven t been updated on that yet. so, it s going to be frustrating for you observeviously, but you to remember, i ve said it 100 times, this is an investigation and we can t be delayed by providing information that will delay our information or causing an individual to go underground. you know all that, everybody here sitting know that, and i need you to understand. okay, it s important for you to convey to the public we re doing everything we can do to bring this to fruition. i think we are doing that and i ask you for your patience. sheriff within the course of your investigation you discovered perhaps he might have been targeting another concert the week before? yeah i mentioned he had obtained a room at the ogden which is located downtown and at the same time life is beautiful was being conducted. was he doing presurveillance we don t know yet, this is all conjecture at this point. that s why it s important for us to have boots on the ground. sheriff, on the shatairwell there s information out there the door to the stairwell of the 32nd floor was barricaded or possibly welded shut. can you tell us if it was it was not welded shut but it was secured. sheriff can you tell us as of yet no. we haven t been able to determine if there s been anybody else in that room besides him. tan rite in the car does that lead to he might have been planning a bigger attack? speculation, i ll leave that to your own free will. it remained in the car for some reason. is there an estimate of how many round he fired and how many rounds he didn t fire found in the room? no. i ll give you my personal preview, that ll come out in the public space, no. rounds haven t been counted yet. there s a lot of evidentiary recover systems that have been taken place prior to recovery in the round. there was well in excess thousands of rounds in the room. sheriff, in the photos there was appeared to be a yellow note. can you tell us about that? no, i can t recall. a suicide note or anything? no no it wasn t. i m comfortable in saying that. sheriff, where is now and is he still a person of interest. everything to do with marilou i ll have sergeant rous address that. okay any more questions on that, we can circle back on that? we ll circle back on that. you guys want to know how i know her name? she was eating lunch to me yesterday and introduced herself. sheriff, do you know what caused the inception? very good question, no i do not know. i don t know if this is my assumption, only my assumption and phone s been able to spell my assumption as of today, i believe because of his counter measur measures placed in the peephole and the hallway he observed the security guard and he was if fear he was about to be breached. he was doing everything possible to see how he could escape at this point. his concern was personal concerns versus what was occurring down below. can you talk to about what time he shot himself and can you tell us when you know i can t answer that question. that s the question that s been presented and we haven t been through the internal investigation of that to pinpoint exactly if it was heard wen he shot himself or did it occur in close proximity of entry. because you imagine when they breach it had door they used explosive devices, so did it occur in proximity of that explosive device and we lost it in audible or did it occur when we were trying to set up our team in the hallway. do you have a security guard separated from the other officers? it was my understanding he had gotten separated that was inaccurate. he was conducting an investigation based on customers calling in and he was personally attempting to locate what was occurring. he happened upon that doorway because it was ajar, which keyed his interest. but our officers from close proximity saw, as you can imagine the timeline there. as soon as they came out of the doorway in the elevator he was there, so it happened in a matter of seconds. hold on let me finish here. can you tell if there was a note what note the yellow paper. yes? i don t know. i did a cursory review of the room but i haven t been provided that information. i know it was not a suicide note. sheriff yes, sir. do you believe le saw the security guard approaching and it caused him to stop shooting. if he haven t seen the security guard approaching do you believe he would have shop shooting? no. and i m comfortable and n saying that. we had knowledge he was between 31 and 32, remember when you asked before we said 29 and 32, and through that time it got called down to 31, 32, a knowledgeable customer, prior military said it was occurring directly above him, which subsequently the officers were doing their own checks, he was not aware of what that customer said and they were conducting he was trying to pinpoint. so our officer learned, because they had a security guard attached to them that they had recent information the individual was on 32. okay, so they would have encountered him shortly in that timeline, maybe 60 seconds. and i would assume the same thing would have occurred. sheriff we asked about you wen he stopped firing and why. [ inaudible question ] based on the assessment of the weapons he was there and using and access to, are any of these weapons jammed or inoperable or could he was continued firing without any possibles if he had not he could have continued firing. some of them were jammed but he could have continued firing. some were jammed how many? i don t know the number by some. he had plenty of fire power. do you havefully idea again if you recall there were 23 weapons recovered. one last question on the weapons. this guy had a and about 500, 800 yards how many of these weapons he was using firing with advance optics on just from my visual preview of the crime scene i saw at least three scopes. most of them didn t have any. sfla snauk. [ inaudible question ] no from what i know they seemed to be regular scopes. sheriff was the security officers armed. i don t know about the mandalay bay, some are armed some are not. i don t know the profile at the mandalay but i don t know if he was armed. his bravery was amazing because he remained with our officers providing them the key pass to access the door and continued to help them clear rooms until our officer demanded he seek medical attention. while injured? yes. sheriff, before the shooting we ve heard someone say gambling, do you know? we are aware he was gamble. for hours? i don t know but we are aware he was gamble. sergeant so reference, let me provide some clarification because t answer one of the other questions on accomplice. we did see he was gambling but we didn t see any other individual that appeared to be with him. what about was that? i don t recall ma am. sheriff, are you looking into the possibility that there mav some kind of a mentally issue, something that happened in october of 2016 that compelled him to purchase those weapons if. yes. you are? yes. what have you uncovered? i haven t i don t have the information. but we are looking. you suggested that after he saw the security guard his concern became himself, did you see any evidence that he planned to survive this or try to escape? yes. what s that? i can t tell you. sir, just to clarify, the security guards and the officers came up that identified his location i m sorry start over. the security guard or your officers arriving that positively identified the location first? it was the security guard. the officers had knowledge that it was on the 323 nd floor. it assumed it was at the end of the hallway because a customer called it was directly above lim. the security guard confirmed it prior to their arrival. can you say in detail the magnitude of the gunfire he encountered well over 200 rounds. sheriff can you so it s amazing that that security guard didn t sustain additional injury. sheriff you excellented you believe you had a plan what have you determined that could have given you elscape line - that s just a different way of asking the same question. i can t answer that for you. sheriff did the officers fire back at all. no. slheriff you mentioned accomplices. we ve talked previously about a person of interest. are there any other person of interest in this investigation? well, is there any other no. concrete, no. we re looking at it this way, ken, is there another one, no. we re determined to find out if there was. i mean, it s important not to close this case until we run down everything. should we ask the terrorist question because look at this. you look at the weapon obtaining the different amounts of tannerite available, do you think this was all accomplished on his own, face value? you got to make the asubject he had to have help at some point, and we want to ensure that s the answer. maybe he s a super guy, super hero not a hero, super i won t use the word. maybe she s super that was working out this out on his own but it will be hard for me to believe that. and to that do we need to ask here s the reason why, put one and oning to, two and two together, another residence in reno with firearms, okay, electronics and everything else associated with larger amounts of ammo, a place in mesquite, we know he had a girlfriend. do you think this is all self-facing individual without talking to somebody, it was sequestered amongst himself. come on focus folks these type of investigations have been occurring in the last few years and we have to investigate that. so hold off, i m down. what i want you to do is give rous an opportunity to talk about marilou, he may not have anything for you but i think it s fair to ask him and then i d like to get to the senator and commission ner. the car was. [ inaudible question ] i m sorry? was the car planted to don t ask me to make assumptions, please. thank you. ken. you were asking where is marilou now and is she still a person of interest in this investigation? as i mentioned in my comments, you know, people rely on our us for discretion. if someone is assisting us in an investigation and being cooperative, that s between us and them. giving away the location of a citizen or somebody that is cooperating with us, is not in our best interest, not in that person s best interest, so there s a matter of their business, i m not going to excellent on that. she s not in federal custody? we have no one in custody. special agent rous. if i can ask the same question, without saying anything specific, in seeing his computers and speaking to marilou, do you havefully direction or any sense as to what may have been a motivate? any sense, anything? so, as i mentioned we like to deal with facts. theer ryes are great, but i like to deal with facts. that s what we re going to focus on. there are a number of working theories out there and we re going to use those but not publicize them because they re not fair to everybody. we want to make sure what we have is accurate and you want us to be accurate. sir we have found no evidence to this point to indicate terrorism. but this is an ongoing investigation, we re going to continue to look at all avenues. we re not closing downy doors. the best way to do an investigation is that you don t go in with assumptions, he s not going to make assumptions, i m not going to make any assumptions. we re going in there following the facts, the facts will always lead you to your conclusion. we hope very much so to be able to provide concrete information to the public about why this happened, because that s what s on everyone s mind. to understand the why helps you deal with the tragedy we ve all faced and we ve all faced it. so, believe me we want to know why. okay, i want to take this time to give the commissioner an opportunity to say a few words. thank you. i m going to say some things that the sheriff didn t say. whether y when you see these men and women in uniforms, and a lot of meant and women that don t wear uniforms uh-huh you got to tell them thank you. i ve dealt with these folks, working with them for the last three days, they re working on zero sleep, i beg of you to show some patience. identify heard the same question asked three, four, five times in different ways, they re not speculating, there s no conjecture here, they re not dealing with theories they re dealing with facts. their primary purpose and their goal is to conclude this investigation in a professional and accurate manner and i m totally confident they re going to do that. they re protecting the citizens of clarke crow and the tourists tar here. they have made the place safe again. i implore you please, please slow some patience and understand they re not going to deal with conjecture and theories coming up on social ple media. thank you very much. my words and comments are similar to what commissioner just said in the important of patience. this horrific incident is less than 72 hours old. the reason i come to the briefings and press conference is to listen to sheriff and learn bit by bit what happened just a little while ago. what i want to express is my gratitude to the sheriff and etf and everybody keeping us up to date on what is going on. i also want to say how grateful i am that the president of the united states came in and expressed his sincere concerned for the community and understand what this means. identify had a rare occasion to be at 30,000 feet in a couple of hours face time with this president and we talked specifically about the heroes, individuals, deputies, first responders and all that and what they were able to achieve in a very short period of time. in my cell phone here i have numerous pictures and survivors from ufc and i shared the pictures with the president of the united states so he could see what happened occurred. one was a deputy, second day on the job, his father was at the event as a spectator when the shooting occurred, got hit in the arm and went to his chest. his name is brady cook. i shared this story with the president, president went up to the fifth floor of the unc and had an opportunity to talk to this young plan and express his sincere gratitude for his strengths. i also showed him a picture of a cell phone, an apple phone that had a bullet through it, it was a therapist over at u flrks c. that bullet went through her phone and hit her hand. she just had tissue damage, she fixed it herself. went back to unc and spent hours helping those that had come into the hospital. these stories were important for me to share with the president of the united states as he was coming into this valley and understanding the depth of the issue we had on hand. it wasn t just that i also lobbied him on a couple of issues, one has to do with terrorist. now i didn t lobby the president because it was important to me, i asked the governor what should i talk to him about. i asked the mayor what do you want me to talk to the president about. and it had to do with this terrorist funds that come out of homeland security. and how important it is that las vegas, the strip has the funding necessary to keep not only citizens safe, but also those who are visiting this city. it s not enough we have 42 million people that come in every year to visit and i want to make sure las vegas has the terrorist funding necessary to keep us safe, to buy the equipment they feed to be able to monitor and be able to follow up on the issues they re faced with on a day-to-day basis. my gratitude continues from everybody around the country. about 15 seconds ago i was sitting right behind her, a cab driver that i used in new york city sent me a text, we game friends on a ride but his message was senator, myself, my family and all my drivers wanted to express my condolences of those touched by the weekend shooters. all our best. the cab driver from new york concerned about las vegas valley. i am grateful for all my colleagues back in washington, d.c. grateful for the sheriff, fbi, atf, all that s being done. thank you very much for being here today. all right, that will conclude today s press conference. so, as a matter of moving forward i can t give you a definitive time for tomorrow. i anticipate these press coverag conferences will stay at a maximum once a day because leads are changing that fast for us to address this group. the one thing i wanted to talk to each and every of you in this room, thank you. thank you very much. you have been very professional, you have not been overwhelming and i appreciate your candor and your ability to express exactly what occurred in the las vegas valley. so, thank you and hopefully you have a great night. thank you. new details tonight from las vegas, authorities just heard sheriff lombardo, he said the gunman had to have some help doing what he did. new time line, first one fired 10 o5:00 first breach of his room an hour and 15 minutes later. i m here with former assistant director service, and law enforcement experts is with us as well. art, in terms of what you heard, a lot of information in in the just the timeline but the idea this guy was thinking about trying to have an escape plan. yeah that was the first time we heard this. it s also concerning what with he had in his vehicle. he had explosives in his vehicle, it would have been set off at any given point. this plan of escape opens us up a lot wider. the explosives in the vehicle are very concerning. also by the way, phil mud is with us, david simon. phil it s interesting seeing that timeline, you get more and more of a sense, you heard for that long for them to breach the door. the shooting only went on for ten minutes. they were able to get up to that floor and they found a security guard that had been shot, it seemed like from the timeline, it was the shooting of that security guard from the hotel that redirected his attention to the possibility his room was going to be breached and stopped him from firing any more out the window. it did. it broke the scenario. the fact that law enforcement could ascertain from when the first shot was fired and began making it to the floor and intervene in ten minutes. it s incredible. it is incredible. whether you look, it s blocks away, it s too small windows on the 32nd floor, i assume some officers saw a muzzle flashing and that s the way they figured it out. it was only that amount of time i think it s remarkable. it s dark, there are tens of thousands of people that are about. you don t get a sflar owe as you have a sniper shooting down. terror watchtower. but in ten minutes they figured it out. phil mud what stood out of this press conference? whether you look at the character risks going to the house, going to the hotel room, we have a lot of information about that. how they breach it had location, how many weapons and rounds were found. the two basics elements we want to understand, what kind of digital information do we have, how do we exploit it, phones and things like laptop, that s typically in the fbi inbox, zero. we got nothing on that today, as you d expect 72 hours into that. the second thing would be people, interviews. there was a suggestion in there by both the sheriff and the fbi that some of the interviews are cooperative, people are providing information. maybe including the woman who was the girlfriend of the shooter. mentioned, she s not in custody and talked about not wanting to disclose her location because one would not want to talk about someone whose cooperating. that to me is important. whether you have people that s that could cut to case to motivates. those two areas, digital communication and interviews. and it was the sheriff talked about kind of a secret life this person had. i don t know if that s based on particular information, to phil s point that they have learned. but also that he had rented out a room, i guess it was the week before, at a prior music festival. that s right. so this is just consistent with there was a lot of planning. perhaps he even had a different target in mind at one stage but preferred having the elevated view over the concert. when you look at this press conference, i think there was sort of clear tension or at least sort of the sheriff wanting to sort of give more information, the fbi essentially standing up there saying, only the facts, only the facts. something the sheriff said that we ve been talking about the last two days, he finds it inconceivable that something like this could have been planned for so long and that he was unassisted. those are his exact words. do you think heck do this unassisted? and so that does make me think that these interviews are leading to questions about if others knew, coconspirators, with the girlfriend, she may be cooperating now, she may not be cooperating later. she may constructively have knowledge that something was happening but not until she sort of pierces her own memory, realized that was what in fact was being planned. so these investigations will take a long time. definitely the sheriff has a theory of the case, so this investigation is going to move forward. phil mudd, to you the idea of the explosive left in the vehicle, and based on what the sheriff said does it seem to you that there may be some idea in this person s mind that they had some sort of exit strategy? or idea of moving elsewhere? there s a scum characterisku characteristics about the explosives that i feel curious. ammonium nitrate that could potential will be be used with other materials for a back pecuniary bam bom. why did he acquire that and never use it? there s a reference to tannerite. art probably knows more about that but that can be cinematic, dramatic. you put a small amount of that in a place, pop it with a rifle, you get a large explosive effect. did he want to use that over time in some location to create a diversion? the answers about those explosives i think will help us on a couple of questions, anderson. one is what the sheriff was talking about, did he want to escape? did he have other locations he was thinking about? and two, why did he acquire t s materiel and not use it? was there a trigger that led him to choose that target and location before he could fully develop a plot? art, to you? the explosive is the biggest question here. there s a lot of questions about explosives, what was he planning to do with those? you don t acquire them, leave them in your vehicle, and not have a plan for them. was he using that as a vehicle-borne explosive device president other thing that is terrifying, i keep coming back to the intervention, the early intervention by the first responders. the amount of we don t know how many shell casings actually will be found, they haven t accounted for that. but the amount of munitions that he still had available to him. and had he chosen to continue firing, the death toll, it s incalculable. it would have been. another thing that needs to be brought up, and we ve talked about this, the bump stock that he s using, this kind of odd mechanism that allowed his weapon to fire like an automatic. that s not easy to use. it s a very difficult kind of technique to master. which means he would have had to have practiced a lot. and the question mark is, where was he doing it? and was anybody assisting him with that? you made the point earlier about the way he was using the way the gun was set up. it was set up for tactical purposes. but those weapons are not made to fire in automatic status. so that bump stock that he had would cause a jamming in the weapon at some point in time. if you re not 100% sure on how to use it. so he had a lot of training, obviously, to set those weapons up the way he did. but that bump stock can cause the weapon to malfunction or jam. we don t know if that did and if it contributed to him not doing it, or was it just the intervention of the security guard? the other thing in the weapons, the photographs we ve seen, some of the weapons are meant for distance shooting, some of the weapons are meant for close-in either defense or fighting. handgun, shotgun. even the one that had the hand grip on the very end of the barrel. 323. that is the one that is set up to clear the hallway, maybe, the sheriff saying there was some 200 rounds he thought were fired in the hallway. that s a staggering number because did he reload? where did he fire one weapon with 200 rounds? so he s got certain weapons that he s using to fire on a crowd, he s got other weapons he s using as defensive or maybe part of this escape plan me talk of. with so many active shooter situations, could go to the fbi s review of all of them since columbine, i think it s the first six minutes or so in which most of the fatties take place fatalities take place. do we know why it doesn t go longer? in some cases shooters kill themselves prior to intervention by the police. sure. some of these situations where you re looking at this, whether you re looking at terror situations that i studied in my career. the individual invests so much of their emotion in getting to the location and conducting the attack, that is, they ve got to build up to an emotional bubble that says, i m going to kill people. when i kill people, most likely i m going to die myself. what i m saying is once they get to the actual event, they might not always have thought through, how do i maintain focus for 20 minutes or 30 minutes? so that i can kill 500 people instead of 100 people? they re invested in conducting the event and once they get into the event the emotion is so intense that they might lose focus, they might focus on killing themselves because they don t want to be taken by police, it s the emotion of the event that drives them. there s also the question of money. jen simon has been looking into the shooter s finances. dan, what have you learned so far? no question, anderson, that is going to be an important part of the conversation and the investigation. we know that the shooter often described himself as a professional gambler. but he was also an active real estate investor. as you have heard. we know that he bought and sold some 11 properties going back to the 1980s. some of them netting him a small fortune. one example, in 2004, he sold an entire apartment complex in the town of hawthorne, california. he had his ex-wife and family members as partners with that. they sold that for $3 million. they bought it for $1 million a decade earlier, $2 million net. and so this was an important part of his life. one other thing, when he bought his most recent home in mesquite, it was an unusual transaction because when he bought that home, he paid for it entirely with cash. and the agents were startled by that. and when he bought that house, he said in passing to those agents, apparently at closing, that he was a professional gambler and that he would gamble $1 million each year in las vegas. phil, just from an investigative standpoint, how much more do you want to know or investigators need to know about the shooter s financial situation? how significant is that, could that possibly be? it s not simply a question of financial situation, anderson. it s placing it in the context of a couple of other elements that are going to multiply over time. so we have how much money he acquired, how much money he spent, how much money he invested, how much he gambled. that s on a timeline. on that timeline as well i want to know where he moved, when he moved, whether that timeline corresponds with when he found friends, when he lost friends, when he developed a relationship with his girlfriend, when he decided to send her overseas. so it s the money, whether the quantities of money change over time and how they correspond to other changes in his life. friendships, romance, geographic movements, that is, when he moved from mesquite to other residences. you start to get a pattern of life that might show aberrations. he suddenly lost money, for example, i don t know this, but just speculating, maybe he lost money six months ago and we saw at the same time differences in his relationships with friends. that s really important, anderson. but you need a lot of data to put together that three-dimensional picture of a life. just in terms of the investigation and from what you heard tonight, what else stands out to you? so i think most of the focus is going to go on mary lou danly, the girlfriend who was with him during this most significant period. it appears he purchased the guns during a elemented period of time, the last year. and she s with him during that time. so she s going to be focused just highlighting what was going on in his life that might actually come to the motivation aspect, the thing that we re so curious about. i am going to say this again, though. the sheriff does seem to have a theory of the case. he said it out loud, that he does not believe that he could have planned this alone. and so there will be a look for coconspirators as well to at least with the potential of
reporter: the white house defending the government s response. the federal response has been anything but slow. in fact, there s been an unprecedented push through of billions of dollars of federal assistance. reporter: but the president has spent the last three days tweeting repeatedly about nfl players who kneel during the national anthem. mr. trump, continuing to fan the flames on twitter monday night. sources tell cnn that the president appears pleased with the firestorm he has created, telling a private dinner of conservative leaders it s really caught on. i said what millions of americans were thinking. administration officials tell cnn that chief of staff john kelly is not happy with the public feud but the retired military general, who lost a son in the afghanistan war, agrees with the president on the substance of the debate. meanwhile, nfl teams continue to show solidarity against president trump s comments. the entire dallas cowboys team and team owner, jerry jones, taking a knee before the anthem at last night s game, then voted for donald trump. there s nothing been like puerto rico to the same degree. partly because, unfortunately, these folks are not trump supporters and they are not top of mind. i m not talking about fema, just to be clear. fema is on the ground there. he has to please his bosses as well. they are there in earnest. it s a very difficult situation. the president, i m saying the president gave a speech to the u.n. talking about sovereignty. these are americans on that island. they are without power almost a week. combined damage total may be more than harvey and irma combined. everybody is concerned but the president is tweeting more about nfl and hillary clinton than he is about the island and when he is, he seems to be dis ing the infrastructure. is maria donald trump s katrina? abby, when the president did finally tweet about puerto rico, he obviously focused more on their economic crisis, failing infrastructure, which are true, but tone deaf. wildly tone deaf while 3.5 million americans are in dire straits down there. and wasn t that what john kelly was going to crack down on, making the message more pala palatab palatable? how do tweets like that, so roundly criticized as being insensitive, how do those sneak out? i think john kelly has not successfully cracked down on anything on the president s twitter account for over a week now. i guess you could argue over eight months now. the president is doing what he wants on social media and revealing his true feelings about the situation. i agree with john. it s really asounding that instead of a show of solidarity or sympathy for the people who are actually genuinely suffering right at this moment, the president sent 2 1/2 tweets about the failures of the puerto rican government and the debt owed to wall street. that s really not anywhere near what was happening at the federal level when it came to the other storms. maybe the president has storm fatigue, but one of the challenges of leadership at this moment is that he has to kind of continue on. when there are all of these natural disasters happening at the same time, yeah, he has to focus on all of them with the same degree of intensity. it also doesn t help that, i think, over the weekend with all this focus on the nfl, you know, the president is feeling pretty combative right now, as you can see from his twitter feed and the comments he made at dinner last night with conservatives. he s feel iing in a fighting mo. he has a great foe, chris, if he wants to fight, right? maria just about destroyed something that is under his responsibility as president of the united states. yep. he could have thrown on his khakis, got on a military transport, jumped into puerto rico and ridden around like teddy roosevelt if he wanted to. he could own that situation. he could fight that need. he could fight that distress and show i am the builder. %-p. i will show you how it s done in a time of need. and he seems to have all but ignored it. what was his twitter feed full of during hurricanes irma and harvey? where did he go visit? he was quick to go to those places. he sent out lots and lots of tweets about those places. that s the issue here. john makes this point. there s clearly a difference in the way he approached those two storms. which, by the way, in our polling he got very high marks for. two-thirds of people said he handled it quite well than the way he s handling this. when abby was talking, the thing i remember when it comes to trump, the twitter feed is him. right? everything else that comes out of the white house is sort of the form al mechanisms of government. his people, his aides. twitter feed is him. during hurricanes irma and harvey tons of tweets about those hurricanes, very focused on it clearly. it was taking up his mind space. now nfl, luther strange, that vote being today in alabama. nothing on the hurricane until last night. let s be honest. donald trump is a consumer of television. the criticism of him was starting to ramp up and so out came a tweet that was to counteract that. if you look at his tweets up until last night, there were 14 or so about the nfl and zero about puerto rico. that tells you what you need to know. there was also criticism on twitter. people reacting to his tone deaf tweets. marc anthony, famous singer, j.lo s ex. mr. president shut the blank up about nfl. do something about the people in need in puerto rico. and then hey president trump you can t wait that long. there will be a lot of american deaths if you wait that long. he was talking about the presidency measure, that it might not happen until october. 10,000 federal fema employees helping out. there are 3.5 million people without power who need help. right. still without power. an airport is basically shut down with people trying to get out. massive devastation at a scale greater than harvey and irma. it s this problem that it doesn t seem real to folks. and it does require there s the opportunity for leadership, as chris expressed. be the builder. this is a new yorker, who should understand instinctively that pewter reekians are fellow americans. it s great that the federal government is there. more needs to be done. he has been distracted by these other things speaks, as chris said, where his head is at. and, abby, he has a great year for cultural divide. whey wooi do you think he dived is it dove or dived? dove. dove into the situation? the lack of understanding as to why he did this. this is a no brainer. he loves the culture war. he always has. of course he s going to look at this nfl and say this is easy, especially with the luther strange situation going on. i will take care of that right now with the nfl. it has to be working for him. i was in the crowd in alabama friday when the president gave that speech and he was right. they really ate it up. they loved it. it tells you everything you need to know about why the president did it. he was in a mostly white crowd acres state that has a long history of racial tensions where he knew that a message like this would resonate and would resonate loudly. it all teed up to this moment in which he went really farther than he has ever gone before with the rhetoric on this issue. the president is in situation where he needs to shore up his base. he talked about this as a candidate. he talked about colin kaepernick needs to find a new country if he doesn t want to stand for the national anthem. he has talked about all of this stuff. cultural wars were part of this campaign. he was delivering on that promise friday night and at a time when health care is stalling, when he the wall is not built. there was a build the wall chant at that rally in alabama. frankly, it was kind of awkward, because the wall is not built. and the president needs to deliver for his base in one way or another. and this is a really easy way for him to do it and do it quite effectively. go ahead, john. look, the president has an instinct politically for the divisive, for the culture-war theme. he knows it. he goes after t the execution, the follow-through almost always there s major blowback. this will blow back in ways he hasn t expected with the base and with other folks. this was a fairly isolated protest that didn t have an enormous amount of sympathy. let s be honest with that. with the president weighing in, attacking individuals and statements of conscience all of a sudden you have a broad coalition of players, owners and people who care about the nfl that say they re identifying with the kneel and elevating this issue. the blowback will be something he doesn t expect. i also think very quickly, to add to john s point, look, abby is completely right about the point scoring. he looks at the nfl and sees things. rich, in his mind, entitled, and mostly black. so, in the culture wars, that s a hanging curveball to hit. the problem is, if, as president, you are primarily focused on dividing the country via issues yes, you can do it. yes, it will work for some people. it will be motivational for a group of people. the problem is, you re the president of the united states. your job is not to find ways in which to divide the country. it is, theoretically, to find ways in which to unite the country. sara sanders, the head shaking moment for her yesterday was this is not about what he s against. this is about what he s for. straight faced when she said it. i don t know how a reasonable mind can come to that conclusion. i m not saying he s not right on the issue. when the polls come out, when you ask the american people that s not the point. but that s all he s thinking about, chris. of course. that s where his head is. people will say, yeah, you should stand and that s good enough for him. it s been very telling that the white house has not been able to find any nuance whatsoever in the protests at the nfl, whereas there was all the nuance to be found after charlottesville. stick around till 7:30 eastern time, everybody. you will hear our latest trump voter panel weigh-in on all of these things. they all voted for president trump and, to a person, they are upset with him talking about this with the nfl. so you ll hear their rationale. i was surprised by that. i thought we would see camerota take off the heels and be chased around. it s just a question. but it s a little counterintuitive today. worth the watch. big day this was supposed to be do you know what this week was supposed to be about, right? health care. remember, the window is closing for the republicans to get through a bill with just a simple majority, but nothing is simple now. is it dead, this health care bill? if so, will the battle go somewhere from here? we have answers, ahead. when i look in the mirror everyday. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change people s lives. i may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but i m sure going to. i m bringing forward a treatment for alzheimer s disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure. can i get some help. watch his head. i m so happy. whatever they went through, they went through together. welcome guys. life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you. about to see progressive s new home quote explorer. where you can compare multiple quote options online and choose what s right for you. woah. flo and jamie here to see hqx. flo and jamie request entry. slovakia. triceratops. tapioca. racquetball. staccato. me llamo jamie. pumpernickel. pudding. employee: hey, guys! home quote explorer. it s home insurance made easy. password was hey guys. for it. do you know what the most popular health insurance program in america is? it s not the private insurance industry. it is medicare. medicare, yeah. my good friend, bernie, obamacare is a place holder for bernie care. bernie care is socialism full born. he is a nice man. if you want medicare for all, you re going to wind up with medicare for nobody. you ll have a card without a real choice. a lot to discuss. let s bring in our political panel back. chris cillizza, abby and john avla. i could watch them debate all night long. it was nice to see people with very different ideas, they do not agree fundamentally. i got that. but how they disagreed is how democracy that s how it should work. there s no you re crazy. get out of my face. you re crazy but i kind of like you. it was about ideas and let people digest it with their own argument. it was refreshing. it really was. that s not the way the washington, d.c. has been working. that was a good moment. deeply disagree on the issues. nobody called an s.o.b. who would have thunk it? will there be a vote on gr / graham/cassidy? i m not sure that mitch mcconnell will want to put something up for a vote that doesn t have the support. based on the folks who are a no and the options that are available to them to mullify both sides. if they do anything to target collins and murkowski at this point, rand paul will be even more staunchly a no. then you might lose folks like ted cruz and mike lee. i don t think the cards are there. frankly, you know, president trump has been, for two days now basically, been saying i ve moved on. let s get on to tax reform. one more beat on how they disagreed last night, how they voiced descent. john mccain has, once again he has been a big nail in the balloon for this, okay? and this was very tough for lindsey graham to take. listen to how lindsey graham discussed john mccain s descent on this bill. dear friend. he is one of my dearest friends in the world and john mccain can do whatever damn he wants to. he has earned that right. [ applause ] john, if you re listening, if we fall short we ll try to have a better process. nobody respects you more than i do. so to any american who has a problem with john mccain s vote, all i can tell you is that john mccain was willing to die for this country and he can vote any way he wants to. and it doesn t matter to me. [ applause ] that s touching. yes. look, it was real. it was human. and also, cillizza, please, tell me if i m wrong. who would come out and bash mccain for his vote? right. the president of the united states is going to come out and bash him for his vote. it does seem we re in a weird space where people don t want to take trump on directly. they don t want to take the beating and the backlash. trump is an active enemy. it was a huge and stark contrast we saw from the men and women on that stage versus what we re seeing out of the white house. but this, again, goes to sort of the one way he has one speed. he just does. his speed is full forward and attack, whether it s the nfl, whether it s crooked hillary, whether it s john mccain, jeff flake. we only have show is only three hours long so i m not going to list everybody. but that is what he does. it s what he feels most comfortable doing. and he doesn t seem to grasp the difference. again, i feel like we could talk about this every day. there s a difference between being a candidate for president and being president. we saw that very clearly in charlottesville, that it was, well, on many sides and then unwillingness to admit that he was wrong. we see it again, in my opinion, with the nfl versus the puerto rico disaster. he is focused on something he believes can score him political points. what will he focus on tomorrow if his chosen candidate doesn t win? he will almost in alabama? he will almost certainly attack mitch mcconnell and senate republicans because also, by the way, they are not going to get health care done. abby was nice about it. i ll be less nice. it seems i would be stunned if somehow 50 votes came out of this thing, that these people are against it and they re going to stay against it. they re already sharpening the knives to go after mcconnell inside the white house. yep. and let s be real about this, though. the president rails against people when health care fails. when it s a critical period he s off talking about anything else. this is someone who makes richard nixon look like a uniter not a divider. lindsey graham, ability to disagree. that is lacking. the white house is without moral leadership and the president doesn t seem interested to try to play in that space. last point? the president also seems to keep attacking people that he needs to vote for his policy, attacking john mccain, susan collins, lisa murkowski, rand paul, whoever it is, is not going to work. frankly, that s the one thing that he keeps doing that is very counterproductive in this process. let s talk about something astonishing. you were just going to spit it out there. you realized how much trouble that would have given us. it needs a qualifier. six white house advisers to the president, some before the president got into the white house, some current, have been using private e-mail accounts to do government business. they include ivanka trump, steve bannon, reince priebus, gary cohn. and jared kushner. here is the pushback. we ll jump to the chase. sure. no server. to give it more context, hillary clinton, obviously, was the poster child for this issue of what was disclosed and not disclosed. she spoke about this, right? do we have sound from her on this? here it is. and the hypocrisy of this administration, who knew there was no real scandal, who knew that there was no, you know, basis for all their hyperventilating. and now we re finding, as with the latest revelations, that they didn t mean any of it. right. it s just the height of hypocrisy. first, admit, you were about to huff and puff on me about the server thing but when hillary clinton comes on and says it, it takes the wind out of you. when hillary clinton comes out and says it wasn t a big deal when i did it. it s going to reinforce all the people who believe it was so bad. but what s the difference between what clinton did and these six people? because there actually should be some continuity. right? situational ethics is killing our politics. server or no server, there were e-mails. i don t care what he said. there were e-mails. this is something, imagine people close to the president would have some internal check to say, you know what? let s not use the private e-mail, server no, server. this will resonate as hypocrisy even if hillary clinton doesn t help in the overall situation. it would normally be a huge deal. in the context of the self-inflicted scandals it s going to seem small. if it was about bad judgment for hillary clinton. that s right. do we learn nothing? how can they be no. using private e-mails? the reason that the hillary clinton e-mail thing hit so hard it reinforced this idea that the clintons, broadly speaking, didn t think that the rules applied to them. so, i mean you know, this would suggest another well particularly ivanka and jared kushner, well-to-do family. they re going to do whatever they want to do. that s hugely problematic. as a substantive matter it s important because there are ongoing investigations right now. these e-mails just become a whole new treasure trove for mueller and his team to play in, for the congression investigators to play in. the revelations about these private e-mails were probably the most important thing that happened in the last week. it s a pandora s box. we don t know what s in them. investigators are going to want to find out and that could pose a lot of problems going down the road in the same way it did for hillary clinton. it opens up a doe door that is very hard to close. it may be a practical problem. politically, being able to lean back on clinton destroyed the e-mails, with the hammer and the bleach, that s going to get political cover. the president doesn t agree with me. what he has chosen to tweet about oh, please. piping hot. crooked hillary. with everything that s going on in puerto rico and health care. what does he tweet about? nfl ratings are way down except before game starts when people turned in to see whether or not country will be disrespected. that s great, nfl and ratings. it s a two-fer. it s what he cares about. remember, the twitter feed is him. he cares overwhelmingly in the last 72 or 96 hours about the nfl and ratings. and i think a lot of that has to do with the fact that he is placating a base. rich, entitled, primarily black. those are three things you can t change. those are three things that will get people angry and resentful. twitter trump is the real trump. we all know that. it s nice to know what s going across the brain waves of the president this early in the morning. he retweeted a fake missile launch from iran, a guy who has access to all the intelligence in the world. that s not even near the top of the stack of things to talk about. in any other administration, that would be a scandal to talk about. he he s tweeting fake dangerous news. that s right. bloodshed at the border between israel and the west bank. we have details about what happened. these situations are always a concern as being a flash point for more conflict. the news, next. who knew that phones would start doing everything? entertaining us, getting us back on track, and finding us dates. phones really have changed. so why hasn t the way we pay for them? introducing xfinity mobile. you only pay for data and can easily switch between pay per gig and unlimited. no one else lets you do that. see how much you can save. choose by the gig or unlimited. xfinity mobile. a new kind of network designed to save you money. call, visit or go to xfinitymobile.com. following breaking news out of israel. there s been a shooting at the crossing between israel and the west bank. a 37-year-old palestinian man opened fire at the back gate of an israeli settlement that is opened every morning to allow palestinians to enter israel for work. this is a very big security controversy. police say the shooter was also killed. north korea is beefing up its east coast defenses after claiming that president trump declared war on them. the white house calls north korea s claim absurd. president trump s tweet warned north korean lawyers they, quote, won t be around much longer. north korea says that gives them the right to retaliate to shoot down u.s. fighter jets in self-defense. jets flew along the coast in a show of force this weekend. iran s claim that it tested a new ballistic missile last weekend appears to be false. u.s. intelligence radar systems and centers picked up no indication of a launch. yet president trump actually tweeted about the suspected launch right after the iranians released footage saturday. it s not known if the president was briefed before tweeting. a spokesperson for the national security council declined to comment. the president did tweet that iran launched a missile. as far as u.s. intelligence is concerned, they did not. i know that s confusing but that s the reality. president trump facing intense criticism for tweeting about puerto rico s financial and infrastructure problems as the island is facing a growing humanitarian crisis because of hurricane maria. millions of americans there still have no power. cnn s bill weir is live in san juan, peter reuerto rico for us. tell us what you ve been seeing. reporter: alisyn, we ve taken a 20-mile, as the crow flies, excursion south into the country. this island is experiencing potentially the biggest crisis in a century. maria absolutely wrecked puerto rico. it looks like bombs went off in these mountain valleys. every tree laying on its side. homes sliding off of the hillside. mudslides, a big concern there. mostly it s the humanitarian crisis. even if someone s family s house stood. the official death toll is about 16. it will go much higher than that as they continue to do search and rescue. it s the basic necessities that do not exist. food, water, power, obviously, but also movement and information. people cut off. and so many folks stateside, wondering how people here are doing. so many people wanting them to know they re doing okay. that will be impossible. this antequated grid system here is completely shot. downed power lines. huge high towers that came down crashing. you can t fix those with a bucket truck and a couple of guys. it s going to take engineers and helicopters. what they re worried about most right now after talking to the governor is security, as people get more anxious and more angry as that relentless tropical sun beats down and people wait six hours to run a generator. they re going to get desperate. they ve only been able to find 15% of the drivers they need to bring the diesel up into the country, into the interior. and most of the other 85%, either they re dealing with their own crisis at home or don t want to ride without a security guard, without a policeman with them. it is a complex, perfect storm of human misery down here. it is so complex. chris and i were talking about how hard it is to get aid there. ships can t arrive. airplanes can t land with all the needed supplies. are folks there aware that fema and federal officials trying, or do they feel abandoned? what s the situation about when they ll be able to get the aid they need? reporter: well, they don t know. nobody knows. the mayor has been given a satellite phone. i ve heard stories that village also gather together waiting for news and sometimes there is none. what happens when you re in those dire straits, your mind goes to the worst places. we ve met many people who are incredibly warm, gracious, tough. the puerto rican people, they re used to hardship, austerity. they put a brave face on it. it s a matter of days and weeks before that turns. it is human nature. they would love any information, anything to get them through to the next day. bill, it is so important to have you and the team down there. you let us know what angles to pursue, what needs to be told and we ll get you back on and get the information out as soon as possible. thank you for being there. look, it s not easy to be where jen rivera, alisyn s producer is down there. they re going to live in those same conditions. you also have a volume issue. u.s. virgin islands got beat up and others, bad. but the population density is unique in pewter reuerto rico. so you have 3.5 million people there also in dense, but also spread out. you ll have every kind of problem. 1,000 miles away. you can t get around. not great infrastructure of roads and stuff. the power grid can t be jumped the way we do in the united states because you can t take the power surge. months, according to best sources, before you get back to a basic standard of living. months. and transmission lines are down. they have to rebuild their what was a failing power grid already. they have to rebuild. i think we were mentioning something like 10,000 fema officials already there on the ground. that s good. but they need a million. they need hundreds of thousands. they need so much more help because people are in remote areas and haven t had any help there. they re without medication. it goes on and on. you are spot on. that s why the need for leadership is so great. people must be reassured that there will be an end. that what s being done can be done. we have carl levin custom and jim colston, fema battalion chief. let me start with you. give people here an understanding of why we need to be focused on puerto rico. well, i think puerto rico right now is an isolated disaster area, and that s one of the reasons why we are here and assisting with the local government in the puerto rican search and rescue team to make sure we can get out and get a fair assessment of the needs as well as to any quick rescues and provide information for the long-term recovery. carl, as a task force leader from california, you go into situations, you understand search and rescue. how big is the challenge on the ground there? well, we actually had an advantage, over 270 of our personnel were here post irma. we kept our assets here when maria spun up. we hunkered down with the community here. so we had great ground troops even though puerto rico did not receive the kind of damage that the u.s. virgin islands did in irma, we preplanned puerto rico and used that information to really be aggressive, literally as soon as the storm broke and began rescue operations immediately. we had to cut our way out of the hotel we were in. we affected and immediately went after the areas. the only problem was that central eoc and the information we normally get from all the other regions in the area, this place got hit so hard, there was no contact. so, literally, we ve been working feverishly to get out to these areas, get contact, get information back home to the families to let them know that we are here. we have been here and we are here to get them that information and take care of the people here in puerto rico. not knowing. 3.5 million people there, so many of them tied to the united states. obviously, they re a commonwealth. they have citizens rights but they have family here. what are you finding, jim, in terms of that need to communicate? people here not knowing if their family is still well, family there wanting to communicate it back. how big of a deal is that? it s almost a tremendous deal. right now with over 90% of the cellular communication down throughout the island, communication outside of the island is extremely difficult. i know our troops on the ground getting out into not only the major communities but in the smaller areas are able to meet with local officials there to provide them some information as well as, you know, do some spot checks on high-target hazards. and then also provide them some information so we can go back and try to make some of those connections for them, since they re not currently able to do so. what s your best sense, carl jim, of how long it will be until the basics are in place for most of that population? well, we have different layers of support that fema is providing. the group we re responsible to and work with is the fema search and rescue program. we re actively removing people from hazardous conditions, that are ill, that can t move on their own. and these are areas that are very hard, inaccessible to get to. nonstop since the storm. they re continuing until we can get to those areas. our footprint, we have a huge, huge effort of people that are connected to this country. being here and how well we ve been taken care of people that have lost everything. you have to know that we are doing everything possible and we will not stop until we get that information and try to reassure everyone back home that we re doing everything we can to get to the people who are cut off, get them information. if they need to be removed, taken care of medically or rescued from those environments, that s what we re doing. we are hearing you say it go ahead and finish your point. the infrastructure, it s going to take a long time to get power and communication back up throughout the island. so, we re seeing some recovery now but to answer your question for the long term of what we ve seen in our disaster experience, unfortunately the puerto rican people have a long road ahead of them. we want them to make sure they know they re not alone in that recovery process. jim, carl, you re there to do the work. there s nobody better than the first responders that america puts on the ground in these situations. thank you for what you re doing. we will echo that urgency every chance we get. you let us know what information, what needs the american people back home can help the puerto ricans with there. let us know. be well and be safe. alisyn? 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well, typically, there were a group of people who, before the affordable care act and if you repeal the mandate and exchanges in the affordable care act would be better off. they tend to be people who are healthy, young and fairly well off. so, actually, making a good income. their insurance premiums would go down because we do what s called experience rating there. they pay based on what their anticipated costs are. but the whole point of insurance is to pool a big group of people and lower everyone s costs because it s more predictable and you know what the costs are, chris. and the best thing is not to do what graham/cassidy tried to do, which was to slice up the pool, the group of people you insure, but to people putt as many people as possible into one pool, healthy, young, and older and sicker. and that will actually lower, on average, the costs for people. but, you know, it also goes to a larger point. health care costs have moderated. we heard that last night. you, being one of the architects, obviously, of obamacare, i wonder what your reaction was as you hear this one audience member talk about how much they ve been hurt as obamacare and how it was not as it was billed. can you tell my daughter tonight how you plan to absolutely guarantee her that she will never be subject to exorbitant premiums? obamacare was a huge lie to the american people. if medicaid expansion is cut what dying from addiction would continue to have coverage for treatment? considering the marketplace options in my state, what would you do for health insurance if you were me? zeke, hold on a second. that was not the one i was hoping for. the one from the woman that said obamacare was a big lie. she goes on to talk about how it was misrepresented. maybe we have that one. listen to this. obamacare was a huge lie to the american people. our insurance premiums did not go down. we did not get to keep our insurance plans. we did not get to keep our doctors and our taxes did not go down. have you taken the time to listen to us, who are trying so hard to convey our message? we can no longer afford to pay so much so that so many can pay so little. doc, what do you say to her about all those broken promises? first of all, about all those broken promises are accurate. the affordable care act has done some remarkable things for people. first of all, it limited total out-of-pocket costs that people would have to pay. those are high limits but it does prevent people from going bankrupt and that is, i think, an important protection. and that s true for everyone. the second thing i would say is, look, one of the problems of the affordable that has emerged after we passed the affordable care act, we needed some fixes. we recognized we needed to fix some things in the marketplace and the exchanges to bring premiums down and cost-sharing subsidies to have reassurance so if an insurance company had super high expensive people it wouldn t affect everyone s premiums and get more insurance companies in rural areas and uncovered counties by reducing their taxes from the affordable care act. there are a lot of fixes that can be done. unfortunately, we could not do that because republicans would not pass some fixes. everyone hurts for people who are paying super high premiums and we need to keep health care costs, doctor costs down to actually reduce those premiums. those are essential elements. hopefully, we can now focus on the very practical measures to actually save money and that will reduce premiums and address that lady s concerns. if graham/cassidy fails, it s up to congress to fix the things that are broken. my worry is we ve got to move on now. we can t do health care. we need to do something bipartisan and not rush it. do it behind close doors the way mitch mcconnell did. five hours of hearings by the republicans. democrats had many more. we can actually work this out if we try to work in good faith. i hope that senator alexander and murray actually make progress on shoring up exchanges and bringing premiums down. they have some ideas and they should push forward now.
they re telling us that they re starting slowly to unload these places. there are five sets of those. so it s very slow and we re pretty far back in the line. it s going to be at least two hours. he also says he doesn t know what s going to happen to us once we re deplaned, where we ll go in the airport and what resources will be available to us. he said it will take a number of days before things get back to normal. we re in it for the long haul. we ve totally run out of water. they ve asked us kindly not to flush the toilets. otherwise everyone seems to be in a relative calm. they gave us beverages about an hour ago and we re just waiting. wow. it doesn t sound good. how long have you been stuck there? we landed at 2:15. so about five hours. wow. and the pilot is telling you it could be two hours more before you can get off. did you hear what led to this? reporter: it s unclear to us. it s a construction issue. as far as we know there s no power at the airport. lucky for us. people are stuck in trams. we re on a plane with power. my phone is charging, we have air conditioning. we all have basic needs, we have toilets. but we re sort of lucky in that sense. the problem is we don t know how much longer we re going to be on this plane. right. and you said people are in pretty good spirits still? all things considered. i don t think there s going to be a mutiny. i think everyone understands that this isn t something delta has done to us. we all have to wait and hopefully we ll get off soon. we will be in touch with you, betsy. i hope so too. keep up that positive energy. what else can you do. let s get to the bottom of what happened. thanks again. let s bring in cnn s kay ly hartung. ana, georgia power saying they expect to have power restored to the airport around midnight. we received this statement. they say they believe the issue may have caused a fire which caused extennive damage in an underground facility. they say it was safely extinguished. they entered the area to assess the damages and study the damages. while the cause is not yet known, georgia power system responded by isolating areas where the system wasn t operating correctly to ensure safety. no personnel or passengers were in danger at any time they say. ana, they re giving them until midnight. i spoke to a pilot a little bit ago. he told me he was prepared to not be back to work for another 24 to 36 hours. again, that s five hours. kaylei kaylee, what are their plans? what have they been told the options are? reporter: i can tell you the numbered have dwindled since we ve been here. by my observation, the quickest way, the most efficient way out of this airport is by marta, the public transportation rail service that exists in atlanta. that station has been open all on me now, of course, one of them being our tv light and lights like you would see as a construction light that have been brought in. tower lights along this walk way as well as inside the doors to my right where the airline counters are as well to allow people to communicate with officials here, law enforcement, security, and whatnot, to try to find them a place to go because as one atlanta police officer told me, it s not safe or sanitary for anyone to think it s good idea to stay here overnight. oh, my. kaylee hartung, thank you for that report. this airport the size of atlanta will throw a monkey wrench into the entire country s flight schedules especially at the peak of the holiday season. i want to bring tom in. you ve been look at flight trackers, seeing how this is going to impact the ripple effect so to speak. what are you finding out? i think it s just the volume they re going to have to deal with. it s not just one airline. atlanta being a major hub, typically it s 24/7 with that cluster we saw in the original image. this could be significant. we ll have to sit and see what happens. obviously with the thousands there, accommodations are going to be first and foremost priority for all of them. tom sater, thank you. of course, atlanta airport is a major hub for airlines all across the country. i want to bring in former faa safety inspector david sues who s joining us from denver. david, with pilots stuck on the tarmac, what kind of impact could this have on the country? as you said, it s like a ripple effect. it s like dominos falling. you have to worry about crew rest times. i have to rest a certain amount of time every 24 hours. now it s really messed up. that s the first thing that pilots are going to have to worry about. if they could take off, could they do that within their duty times or change the crews out. we ve talked to our betsy klein. it could be another two hours before they get off. they ve been asked not to flush toilets. they don t have running water in these planes. do airlines and airports prepare for a potential incident like this? there are protocols but it starts back with the georgia power protocol. there are three trunk lines that go into the airport. one is for security, doors, getting in and out. that s number one. the second trunk line is for any, still essential, but air traffic control equipment, things like that that would do communications. but if i m reading this right, there has not been any communications with anybody in the waiting areas, the border areas, so that tells me tear two might be down as well, which could be really catastrophic. i don t think in the history that i know of that there s been an airport that s gotten a tier 2 trunk cut. that s a serious situation. the protocols that they do at the airport, the tearier 2, it surprises me they re letting people stay in the airport at all. i would be having the people evacuating out of the airport if the fire isn t contained. but it sounds like it s contained. they re hoping to have it prepared by midnight. there was a tweet by former secretary anthony foxx apparently stuck on one of the delta planes in atlanta right now. he write, there is no excuse for lack of workable redundant power source, none. does that strike you as odd too? very much so. as i said, there s three power tiers, but each of those power tiers have three redundant sources. they have the power source itself. it comes from two different counties. the fact that it all went down, it s truly inexcusable. not only that, you have generators, backup sources, there s so many redundancies in each one of the power trunks, that i can t imagine why it would have shut down other than if it was a fire that was expected to propagate to certain areas and other areas and they may have shut them down ahead of time to make sure there wasn t electricity that would carry those fires to another location. i mean that s a possible. somebody s going to have toance answer this at some point, and it s not going to be pretty. we ll continue to follow up on this. up next we ll speak to the former homeland security what color is dusk in san francisco? there s a whole world out there and no other card lets you experience it like the platinum card. backed by the service and security of american express. ronoh really?g s going on at schwab. thank you clients? 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they need to get as many of their passengers first off the plane, off the tarmac, and into the into the actual airport structure itself. then they need to start transporting passengers to nearby hotels by the airport and in downtown atlanta. sunday night, thankfully, a lot of the hotels have not a heavy bookings. they need to give people some comfort for the next 12 to 24 hours while their systems come back up. then it s going to be a very tough rescheduling challenge. when we hear from passengers who are stuck on airplanes who have been on the ground waiting to get off for in some cases five hours already and they re being told it could be another two hours or so before they can even deplane, does that surprise you? it doesn t because of the sheer number of aircraft and sheer number of passengers. but my guess is that atlanta has not trained for this kind of disaster before. you know, you don t it s hard to imagine a total shutdown during one of the busiest flight days of the year. my guess is they ve been taken a little bit by surprise. aren t we all taken by surprise by this. peter goelz. thank you. i want to get more perspective. juliette, you say this situation is unacceptable. explain why? unacceptable across a number of areas. first of all, the communication is just completely lacking. i think people are guessing what s going on. we just got a press release from i think atlanta energy that it s likely a fire. that s a couple hours later. so just on the response side, protocols do not appear to be being followed. look. systems break down. people understand that. what s not forgivable and what s somewhat inexcusable this many hours later is that the system would have gone down so massively for so long. in other words, we talk about resilient systems in critical infrastructure and part of that means you have backup plans, you have redundancies, you don t have a single point of failure. in other words, one fire doesn t cause the largest airport in the united states or airport traffic in the the most business airport in the world. yeah. in the world. so that s how people in homeland security think about it. whatever the cause, it might be fire. we didn t know that. it could have been nefarious. what we look at is how do you build systems that can handle the boom, right? that causes the disruption. whether it s a fire or attack or hurricane. i would say this is not inspiring right now. bob, as far as reacting to a crisis, what grade do you given the airport so far roughly six hours or so far in? a failing grade, ana. where is the on-site generator? everybody in the world has an on-site generator. they re ready for it. they could keep planes up and keep services going. the fact is juliette is absolutely right. our infrastructure is also getting a failing grade. this should not happen. you also have to keep in mind how vulnerable airports are to be taken out by electricity by terrorists. they could do it and we re not prepared in the least. juliette, give that it s 7:30 right now, no more flights out tonight, what does the airport do to take care of thousands of people who may be stranded there? it seems to me you would have established emergency protocols to get people off the planes. they are stationary, atlanta is you know, it s a sophisticated airport. you should be able to get people onto the tarmacs, onto the runways, and into the terminals. they shouldn t be sitting on airplanes for hours on end without bathrooms. it shouldn t be happening. it s not like there s a blizzard going on. they can get out in the rain. first of all, you want to protect people s health and safety and security and once you get the generators back going you re going to have to essentially reprocess hundreds of thousands of people who are traveling during the holiday season. this is going to be a week-long delay, i have no doubt about it. it s not just atlanta. think of every airport in singapore. think of all these airports connected to atlanta that are now being impacted by this. this is this is a disas disaster is a little strong to say, but this is sort of an embarrassment and most importantly, it s got to be a lesson learned. we cannot have our infrastructure be so vulnerable. you say it may not be a disaster. i think the people stuck on planes with no running water and no bathrooms may think this is a disaster. bob, we re hearing from officials it may have been caused by a fire. for your a while it was who did this, how did this happen. it does highlight a potential vulnerability. how much of a target are our power grids and electrical facilities? let me tell you when u joined the cia, they took us through a course where we take out an airport. it s very easy to do. you have to anticipate it. you need to red team it, green team it and so foncht it s just very, very easy to do. and, again, i go back to on-sight generators. you sort of expect either a fire or a terrorist attack and you have some sort of backup. if this had been a terrorist attack, it would have been a total catastrophe for all of our nation across the united states, almost clearly another 9/11. bob baer and juliette kayyem, i really appreciate it. all right. a star studed gala is a few minutes away. we re on the live carpet. you see celebrities pouring in and we re going to be taking you there to the red carpet coming up next. stay with us. our recent online sales success seems a little. strange?nk na. ever since we switched to fedex ground business has been great. they re affordable and fast. maybe too affordable and fast. what if. people aren t buying these books online, but they are buying them to protect their secrets?!?! hi bill. if that is your real name. it s william actually. hmph! affordable, fast fedex ground. weraise their voice to sayo lethat this presidentle is unfit for office and needs to go. i love it! yes! yes! 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reporter: way too many to name. things are slowly winding down on the red carpet which could only mean things are getting started inside where the main event will be. there was one of the heroes who i spoke with that leads a nonprofit in cape town south africa that helps some of the orphans who perhaps have lost their parents to aids. these are parents from all walks of life, all corners of world, everyday people doing remarkable things. the celebrities i have had an opportunity to speak with on the red carpet tonight say tonight is about them. those heroes could be your neighbor. that s the other point. tonight is not only a chance to celebrate what some of these heroes have been doing in making this world a better place but perhaps starting to think about your neighbor, somebody from school, somebody who you know that is changing the world, making it a better place. perhaps they should be nominated for next year. maybe they should be walking down this red carpet. but for now everybody s now preparing for the main event starting here in a little under 30 minutes. we ll have the top ten heroes of the year plus the answer to that question you posed a little while ago. who will be awarded hero of the year. that will certainly come with more benefits, financial support that they perhaps need to continue operating their nonprofit and doing even more good, ana. so it certainly has been a very busy night, but it certainly will be an emotional and a an even busier night in the hours ahead as cnn s heroes gets under way. and, polo, last hour, you talked with diane lane. talk to us about her thoughts and what a big deal this is. absolutely. some of these hollywood figures, some of them have played heroes on television, but tonight it s about the real hero, those who do everyday acts of kindness not only to help others but to make this world a much better place. we have some individuals on the red carpet, what they ve been telling us, sharing, their inspirational stories, here s one of them. it s sort of like the holiday gift to the world to be reminded of the human spirit and how we don t take no for an answer when it s for something good. we must continue the furtherance of helping where we can, doing what you can with what you have where you are and what you ve got. diane lane and others are giving of their time. the main message is this certainly is kind of a reset moment for everybody, perhaps even some of those recognized figures. andrew day and others performs, all of them saying tonight is about the real stars, the heroes. people who are changing lives. polo sandoval, thanks for reporting. up next, atlanta airport frozen as a power outage paralyzes the world s busiest airport. up next, we ll talk with a pair of travelers who have been stuck at the airport for more than six hours now. what are they going to do? 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we were on the runway for four hours and they taxied us to the area by the b terminal. and after about another hour of waiting, they pulled us up a set of stairs and we walked down the stairs onto the tarmac. they had guys with the light making us a little pathway. we walked down the pathway and there was another set of stairs into the plane tube i m not sure what it s called. the jet way. that s what i m looking for. it was really steep and then when we got into the b concourse, everything was dark and there were people with flashlights. then i had to walk all the way to where the plane train would be, walk down the escalator and all the way over to ground transportation, but there was a huge line for the escalator and i walked up to the t concourse all the way over and got out to here. such an ordeal. what kind of communication were you getting while you were on that plane for five hours? so the pilot gave us updates every half hour. we really didn t know what was going on until about 2:15. he was like, okay, the airport s out of power, we re going to be sitting here for a while. at first they didn t know they had a couple of ideas what had happened. they thought maybe an animal crawled into a transformer and exploded it or the construction crew had cut a power line is what we heard. but it was a good four hours of not hearing much. they tried to get a catering food in because the plane ran out of snacks and water that. never worked out. eventually we got communication from air traffic controllers who were using hand-held radios because they didn t have power. they told us we were going to taxi to the b con kour. and mom tells me sushi and steak dinner for evan as he s finally home. good for him. there s light at the end of the tunnel. thank you. we ll continue to follow this breaking news. the ripple effect of this ground stop is huge. up next, the startling look at the skytracker where you can see the skies over atlanta are nearly empty. stay with us. you re watching cnn live from the newsroom. here s the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let s go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win s family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. when does a business trip really start? 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well, we re working with the city. it is, you know, clearly a power outage that has affected the airport. what we do in a situation like this is work with the airlines, the airport, essentially just to ensure that the system is safe. and so, you know, obviously with no power, it s very difficult to operate within the airport, and so, you know, we imposed earlier today a ground stop for all flights going into atlanta, and we re working just to ensure that the airlines can continue to operate around the situation there, but we re really waiting for the airport and georgia power to come back to us as to when the situation is resolved> indeed, a fire that caused the power outage? that i don t know. you ll need to talk to the airport or the power company for that. i m looking at tweets from people stuck on these planes. one of them being the former transportation secretary, anthony fox. one line stood out. he says, there is no excuse for lack of workable redundant power source. none. do you agree with that? well, you know, certainly for our air traffic facilities, we have backup power for all of the critical air traffic facilities. and i m sure that the airport, you know, will be looking into the situation to see what happened. it is a situation for a critical infrastructure like this. you do want to see backup power, so that you can ensure that it will continue to operate under a variety of circumstances. but there is still a lot left we have to learn. michael huerta, thank you so much, the administration of the federal aviation administration. we appreciate you taking some time with us. we re back in a moment. nick is confident. but when it comes to mortgages, he s. less confident. fortunately, there s rocket mortgage by quicken loans. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. get approved in as few as eight minutes. mortgage confidently. can this much love be cleaned by a little bit of dawn ultra? oh yeah one bottle has the grease cleaning power of three bottles of this other liquid. a drop of dawn and grease is gone. airport. again, it happened about seven hours ago, and now we re hearing, slowly, power may be returning. the lights have come back on in at least one part of the airport, but all commercial flights into and out of atlanta are canceled for tonight. tom sater is here from the cnn weather center. tom, how is this impacting flights across the country? ana, we re a week away from christmas eve and volume is only going to increase throughout the week. flight explorer, flight tracker 24, flight aware. let s talk about the differences. first, i want to show you a typical image on flight explorer. and you can see the activity and what a major hub this is here in atlanta. look at the activity here. the inbound, the outbound flights, it s like a spirograph. now i m going to show you what it looks like now. it was really something, about three hours ago. let s go to flight aware. and you ll be able to see a lot of dead space. i mean, there is a lot of open sky in this area. what we have noticed, though, which has been interesting, in and around the atlanta area, is we re seeing significant travel and congestion down into some of the airports in florida. significant around tampa, orlando, jacksonville, all the way down toward miami. so many of those flights may be going there temporarily. this is not going to be an easy fix. i think this is going to take a while. it s not just going to take flights today, but probably the rest of the week, as you pointed out earlier. tom sater, thank you. more breaking news now, senator john mccain will miss the final vote on his own party s tax reform bill. a vote expected in just days now. he is, instead, returning home to arizona after spending several days hospitalized at walter reed medical center as he has been battling brain cancer. and he was there, recovering from the side effects of chemotherapy. now, president trump says he has spoken with the senator s wife. listen. i did speak to cindy mccain and i wished her well. i wished john well. they ve headed back, but i understand he ll come if we ever needed his vote, which hopefully we won t. but the word is that john will come back if we need his vote. we re also hearing from the senator s daughter, meghan mccain. she tweeted, thank you to everyone for their kind words. my father is doing well and we are all looking forward to spending christmas together in arizona. senator mccain is 81 years old. meantime, out west, wildfires have taken a huge toll in southern california in the past couple of weeks. residents say the deadly fires have turned what was once a paradise into a war zone. sadly, like any war, there s a human cost. this is cory iverson. he died of burns and smoke inhalation while he was battling the thomas fire last week. firefighters held a solemn procession for their fallen comrade today. his procession traveled from ventura to san diego, where iverson worked as a firefighter. a woman also died trying to flee the flames of the thomas fire. just moments away now, the 11th annual cnn heros: an all-star tribute kicks off. in new york, this is what the red carpet looked like a short time ago. guest co-host kelly ripa will join anderson cooper and a slew of celebrities to honor ten everyday people changing the world for the better. and as always, the star-studded gala will include the unveiling of cnn s hero of the year. here s a sneak peek. take a stand make a stand for what s right announcer: these are everyday heros. they inspire and change lives every day. we want to make sure that they make better choices when it comes to violence. when you lose your child, the love doesn t go away. it has to find a place. i m lucky i found a place to put that love. you ve got to walk that walk yes, you do announcer: they are truly what it means to be a hero. it is people helping people, the best way we know how. when they see me, they always feel happy. just give them a chance. they can do anything you ask them to do. announcer: tonight, cnn presents a very special live event. hey, i m anderson cooper.
tries to clean up trump s tweet, saying he knew general flynn lied to the fbi when he urged then-fbi director jim comey to drop the investigation into flynn. the president s tweet raising serious questions about whether the president obstructed justice. here s sarah sanders late today. look, the president knew that he lied to the vice president. that was the reason for his firing. the problem is, that is not at all what the president tweeted four days ago when he fired off this tweet. quote, i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and the fbi. the white house has made it very clear, president trump s tweets are, quote, official statements by the president of the united states. no matter who might draft, tweak, or actually type them. in this case, lawyer john dowd, the first person ever to take the blame for a presidential tweet. trump s tweet and sarah sanders explanation simply are not the same. they contradict each other. they also don t match cnn s reporting. a source telling cnn that white house counsel don mcgahn told the president in february that flynn lied to the fbi and misled pence. pence ran the presidential transition team. we know pence was aware that flynn had contacted russia. but for a year now, pence has insisted that he didn t know flynn and the russian ambassador discussed u.s. sanctions against russia. court filings unsealed last week indicate a wide circle of trump advisers were aware of that. so how is it possible that the vice president, pence, the man in charge of the transition team, was one of the few who remained in the dark? sara murray is out front at the white house to begin our coverage. sara, obviously, these new charges coming. we re going to talk about that more in a moment with jim sciutto, but i want to ask you about the situation with the vice president. it seems like a lot of people knew pence was lied to. well, that s right, erin. as you point out, it s a little mike pence, marc lotter. thank you for being with me tonight. thank you for having me, erin. the circle of people who knew about flynn s contacts with the russian ambassador about sanctions specifically seems to be growing. right? according to the court filings we now have, flynn spoke with senior members, plural, of the presidential transition team about those conversations with kislyak about u.s. sanctions. so he s saying senior members of the transition team. pence was the head of the transition team. was he really kept in the dark for nearly a year about what these conversations were about? as we have been saying when this story first broke in the washington post back in february, that was when the vice president first found out that he had been lied to by general flynn. remember, he spoke to general flynn that weekend before he went on those two sunday shows in mid-january before the inauguration, and asked him directly if he had those conversations about sanctions. the general told him he did not. that s why the vice president went out and said those things problematic content. i think it s entirely appropriate for the incoming national security adviser to reach out around the world to our allies and to other countries to find their position on various issues as they re relating to world affairs. you re not saying it s a lie. you re saying it s an admission. three weeks away from the administration taking office, and i don t think anyone could think that we would arrive in office on january 20th at 12:01 p.m. and ask what s going on in the world. so how can you say it doesn t matter if he didn t know and say he was so upset when he was lied to that he wanted him to be fired. what i m saying is he waw lied today. also, in the transition, you had the national security team working through national security issues. you had a domestic policy team working through domestic policy issues. the vice president at that time with a lot of the leadership were working on staffing the key senate confirmable positions that were to be filled when we took office or the president took office two and a half to three weeks later. tay with me. i want to bring in gloria burger and richard painter. ethics lawyer under george w. bush. richard, how significant do you think this is, that flynn was told about the calls but not what they were about. he was angry enough, he felt he was lied to, but you hear marc saying, you know, didn t necessarily wasn t in a position to know everything about everything. well, there are a lot of questions surrounding vice president pence that have to be answered. and i think we re going to have to get to that point at some time. and it may be sooner rather than later because it s becoming increasingly obvious that president trump is incapable of carrying forth the responsibilities of this office psychologically and that he also may very well have obstructed justice. so there could be grounds for his removal, impeachment or removal under the 25th amendment. at that point, we do have to get to a serious inquiry as to what vice president knew and when he knew it. it is possible that he was shut out by a number of people in the white house, steve bannon and others, and general flynn, and just flat out lied to and shut out of the process. it s also possible that he knew more than he s letting on that he knew. that s something we have to find out at some point in this investigation. but it s very clear that the president himself was aware of this lie at the time that he fired director comey from the fbi. and thus it s a very strong case that the president is guilty of obstruction of justice. that s going to be our first matter of importance. gloria, to this point, a person in pence s orbit is telling cnn they re prepared and they re preparing right now for the vice president to have to be interviewed by bob mueller s team. sure. this is obviously a crucial moment for the vice president. because it is now right in the cross hairs. what did he know, when did he know it? exactly, and i think the question of that goes directly also to, you know, to the question of the president. if the president knew, as we reported, you know, somewhere in late january where his white house counsel had been briefed by sally yates, and the president knew, and then don mcgahn goes in and tells the president what sally yates told him, which was that flynn had misled the fbi, it took it took a long time, more than a couple weeks, i believe, to fire him, only after it was discovered that in fact he had lied. he had lied when the vice president called him up, as marc is saying, and said tell me what you talked about. did you talk about sanctions? flynn lied to the vice president. and that was the reason they gave. the question i think is, would they have fired him if that story had not come out in the washington post ? you know, you had a national security adviser at that point who probably would not be able to get clearance, think about that, so they have an issue on their hands. i think there is a question. did they bring mike pence into that fold or not. was he doing the human resources part of the transition? yes, he was. so you know, those questions need to be answered. you heard marc s, you know, marc s reasons for why the vice president wouldn t know. i m sure mueller wants to, you know, hear the explanations himself. i would also point out real quickly that there is reporting right now on cnn.com where one of your a group of your reporters talked to seven different transition officials that were all saying that the vice president did not know he was lied to by general flynn. and that was where this was headed. so let me ask you, marc. the atlantic magazine today reporting that pence sent trump a letter. and he sent him a letter after the access hollywood tape, and in that letter, he said he needed time to decide whether he could remain on the ticket. again, this is a report in the atlantic magazine. to your knowledge, is that true? it s 100% false. i was with the vice president at that time on the campaign. the vice president put out a statement the day after the access hollywood tapes came out, but what was not reported is he also went to newport, rhode island, that saturday night for a major fund-raiser. he wished the president well on his on the debate on sunday. he was back on the campaign trail on monday, as scheduled. and actually, he spoke to chris and allison on cnn s new day on october 10th and denied any kind of speculation that he even considered leevan the ticket. this has been a story that s been shopped around for a very long time and is absolutely untrue. thank you very much. i appreciate all of your time tonight. next, the breaking news. more charges could be coming in the special counsel s russia probe. new details from federal prosecutors breaking this hour. plus, steve bannon about to speak at a roy moore rally. this is republicans get back on moore s bandwagon. and breaking news, u.s. troops standing by for potential unrest after trump s expected announcement to declare jerusalem the capital of israel. big idaho potato truck. but not any more. i am done with that. ooh, ooh hot - just gonna stay home on the farm, eat a beautiful idaho potato, and watch tv with my dog. tv anncr: the big idaho potato truck pulled into town today and it s really a sight to see. oh man.let s go.. 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i guess this depends on what rick gates would be able to give up on others. so we ll know soon whether there is additional new charges brought against rick gates. and he has a choice. he can continue to plead not guilty or he can say i want to cooperate in exchange for a lighter series of charges. so the president s good friend, ceo chris ruddy, spoke to cnn. he says that right now, bob mueller is overstepping. he is overstepping his authority. here s what he said. i think there s a lot of evidence that they have been moving beyond the original jurisdiction, which was looking at collusion. is mueller going beyond his jurisdiction? no, not at all. if you look at the actual indictments and actual guilty pleas, even those on the far right cannot challenge the integrity of those indictments. robert mueller, i think, is being professional. keep in mind he s a vietnam veteran, bronze star. served in republican and democratic administrations. he s as solid as they can get, and i think he s doing everything correctly. the president s lawyer, john dowd, as you know, obviously, has been commenting in recent days due to the president s tweet about what he knew about general flynn. he says that the president cannot obstruct justice because he is the president. because he is the ultimate law enforcement officer in the united states of america. what s your response to that? the central lesson of watergate is that no one is above the law, not even the president. that s what the american people believe. that s what we have always believed. and keep in mind, there are no words in the constitution that says the president cannot be found guilty of obstruction of justice. richard nixon tried a line that if a president does it, it s not illegal. that did not work out well for him. are you clear at this point that that s where we are? do you think we are over that line? any nuance left to you? let s just take a step back and think how shocking it is now that the white house has to go to this line of saying the president is above the law. because for a very long time, they were denying anything bad was happening. and now given all the facts, i think they realize they re in serious hot water. keep in mind, john dowd also, i think, has to be removed because by saying that he wrote that tweet for donald trump, which i m not sure that that s true, but if he s sticking to that story, he now becomes a witness in any obstruction of justice case, so he needs to leave the legal team. obviously, part of this, at least that tweet, comes down to when the president knew general flynn lied, and to whom, right? to vice president pence, to the fbi, obviously in the past, he said it was because flynn lied to mike pence about his contacts with the russian ambassador. over the weekend, of course, that tweet said he also knew about lying to the fbi. i want to play a question today that was asked of press secretary sarah sanders specifically about what the president knew when he knew it. i m asking when did he find out? when it when the announcement was made friday, prior to that? i m not aware of the specifics. i would refer you to john dowd on that specific question. congressman, why do you think that after a tweet which was very specific, which a lawyer was involved in by his own admission, now the white house will not say when flynn knew trump lied to the fbi? because the white house knows that if the state of mind of donald trump was that michael flynn lied to the fbi and later he tries to get fbi director james comey to drop the case against michael flynn, that s classic obstruction of justice. i think that s why you see john dowd going to this line now that the president can t obstruct justice. that is nowhere in the constitution, and it was rejected by the american people in watergate. congressman, in your view from your investigation right now, does this go to obstruction of justice for the president or does it go to something else? and by that, i m referring specifically to collusion by the president of the united states with the russians, or do you think this is truly going to be about the cover-up crime and not an underlying crime itself? well, we definitely have obstruction of justice because the president has admitted it on national tv. earlier in the year, he went on tv and said the one thing that john dowd would have told him never to say, which is he fired comey because of the russia investigation. that s obstruction of justice. and now we have other issues surrounding this tweet. in terms of collusion, we need to let robert mueller s investigation and the congressional investigations run their course, but certainly, reporting today that donald trump jr. asked for dirt on hillary clinton s foundation, that s more evidence of trump campaign officials trying to solicit information from a foreign power. that s collusion. all right. congressman, i appreciate your time. congressman lieu tonight. thank you, erin. outfront next, breaking news. roy moore campaign event is about to start, and the guest of honor who is going to be right there, as you see on your screen in fair hope, alabama, is steve bannon. the guest of honor. and worldwide concern tonight about violence. trump s high-stakes call to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. it is expected just hours from now. well, like most of you, i just bought a house. -oh! -very nice. now i m turning into my dad. i text in full sentences. i refer to every child as chief. this hat was free. what am i supposed to do, not wear it? 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reporter: yeah, that s right. we re certainly expecting a fiery speech here tonight, erin, from steve bannon. as you know, that former white house chief strategist has not only been one of the longest backers of roy moore in this race, but also one of the most ardent. he stuck by him despite those multiple sexual assault allegations made against roy moore, much like the way he stuck by donald trump during the presidential election last year when multiple women accused him of sexual assault. tonight, we re told by people close to bannon nat we can expect him to be breathing fire in this barn behind me here in fairhope, alabama. he s not only going to go after people like roy moore s opponent, democrat doug jones, labeling his a progressive radical, but also going against the establishment republicans who have changed their tune on roy moore in recent days. we re told that one of his targets will be senate majority leading mitch mcconnell who previously said moore should step aside in this race, but as you saw on sunday, he backed down off that criticism and said it should be up to the people of alabama to decide. so we re certainly expecting steve bannon here tonight to remind the voters of alabama that he believes the reason those establishment republicans are changing their tune on roy moore is because the voters of alabama stuck by him, erin. thank you very much. as we await that to begin. margaret hoover is with me, former george w. bush white house staff and veteran of two presidential campaigns, and tom bates, who was on the editorial board for al.com. with this rally about to begin, tell us, steve bannon, who is going to be there breathing fire and has been an ardent, passionate, and consistent supporter of roy moore, how significant is he? well, bannon speaks right to roy moore s base. he fires them up, and i think his job is to get the turnout out of the base. but i think the election, erin, is going to be decided by a pretty small slice of republicans who are trying to figure out whether or not to vote and whether or not they can vote for a democrat. and i don t think bannon speaks to them. right, and that s obviously what this does come down to. i want to talk about turnout in a minute. margaret, first of all, it s stunning the lack of conviction from people who came out with such statements of conviction about what they could or could not tolerate. now, all of a sudden, as if they never said it. it s deeply disappointing and frankly embarrassing as a republican to see this kind of total lack of spine and moral courage on the republican party. but sadly, erin, it s not the first time we have seen this kind of lack of moral courage in the republican party around sexual harassment allegations. just about this time last year, the republican party fled from donald trump s candidacy at the allegations and the frankly tape of billy bush, and then everybody got back on board. so, you know, the question of where is the line, where is the moral clarity, where is the moral courage, seems to have devolved to total moral tribalism in the republican party. i mean, it is amazing, even the rnc. they come and say they can t fund him. then all of a sudden, i don t know what else to say. is it just that a whole bunch of polls came out that looked like he was doing okay, so all of a sudden mitch mcconnell and the rnc say maybe no one will notice with we come back in and start supporting him again? i m not sure what mitch mcconnell is thinking in this case. and we re not seeing a real profile in courage there, clearly not. and this election, we have always felt, was about principle over party. the thing i would say, too, even before the accusations came out about roy moore. he simply was not qualified to be a u.s. senator. and i don t believe his values actually represent what the majority of folks in alabama think. but the pull for party is so strong here, and apparently mcconnell and others are simply getting on board. but what s interesting, i have seen private polling in alabama, and i know you can attest to this, the republicans that you speak of that are undecided, that don t know if they can pull the lever for a democrat have another option. there are republicans, richard shelby, the other sitting senator from alabama, said he wrote in a republican alternative. if that throws it to doug jones, many of them can live with themselves for not having voted for the democrat, voted for a republican, and can live with an honorable, decent man, who by the way, isn t a hard-core liberal but he s a democrat. that s one way that, as i see the alabamaelectorate, there are maybe 6% undecided. republicans lean republican. in massachusetts, they would be hard core right wingers, and in alabama, they re centrist republicans. and they may very well get to that place where they end up writing in a candidate and throwing it to doug jones. and tom, what s your perception here otthe voter turnout? the national focus on this, obviously, has been immense and overwhelming. what kind of turnout are we going to see in alabama? you know, typically, the turnout for an off-cycle election like this would be really low. and in fact, recently, we re seeing some polls that show us it may be even lower than we had originally expected. so i think it will be low. here s what i m hoping for, that the business community in alabama that s been very quiet, deafening silence up until now, comes out. because, you know, there may be risk in speaking out at this point, but this will not be good for the state. it s unfortunate because this is really a great place to live and work. a beautiful place to visit. we had real momentum, and moore is going to set things back. the question, i guess, i have margaret, is will he, if he wins and he goes in the senate, to people eventually forget. he gives them a reliable republican vote, and the sad reality is everyone moves on. if you watched roy moore for the last decade, right, and you have any idea of who this guy is, he s not somebody who is just a quiet, reliable vote in the united states senate. this is a man who believes that 9/11 was the fault of america for being a less christian nation. that the bible should have supremacy over the u.s. constitution. that president obama was not born in the united states. that homosexual conduct should be illegal. this is not a quiet man who is going to sit in the corner of the united states senate and just be a reliable yes vote. and by the way, he has steve bannon. he s going to be throwing bombs at mitch mcconnell the whole way. this is not a team player. this is a problem for the republican party, a problem for mitch mcconnell. a problem every way you slice it. it s better for the republican party and the country that this man not serve in the united states senate. what happens to the women who have so bravely and courageously come out and spoken the truth, if he wins, put their names on it. you know, that s the saddest thing, because you know, you see a group of voters who say i don t believe the allegations. okay, fine. but those that do and are still choosing to vote for moore, including the governor here, i mean, it s terribly upsetting. and you know, we verified, there s no reason not to believe these women that took great courage to speak up. it certainly did. and as everyone who has said, even including people like mitch mcconnell days ago, a week ago. he believed them, i guess until he decided he didn t or it s fine. it s all transactional politics and where is the moral virtue if it s all about a transaction, all about getting a deal done. it s unbelievable. embarrassing to be a republican. thank you both so very much. the next, breaking news, we re hours away from a major announcement from the president of the united states. and this one, it s as big as it gets because it s about jerusalem and making it the capital of israel. u.s. embassies and consulates around the world now on high alert for violence. and donald trump trying to silence a woman who says he kissed and touched her against her will ten years ago. his attorney asking a judge to dismiss a lawsuit against the president. 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sure. it could provoke violence, demonstrations, particularly in a contained area between israelis and palestinians. and usually when jerusalem becomes an issue, the issue migrates to the overlapping space. 1990, 1996, 2000. recently this year, erin, 2017, over metal detectors. any efforts to change the status quo, even in a fraction, can certainly lead to the potential of violence. whether or not it s inevitable, how bad it will be, whether it will be a mass uprising, all these things are impossible to say. what about the reporting that embassies and consulates are on high alert for violence? obviously, not just there, but elsewhere across the middle east is obviously the implication. any islamic jihadi group, hamas, radicals, the iranians, clearly, if you wanted to manufacture an issue in the laboratory that was bound to energize and mobilize grievances and passions and hatreds, well, jerusalem is your best bet, no question about it. look, the embassy, our embassy should be in west jerusalem. no question about it. israel is one of the few countries, not the only, but one of the few countries in the world where the u.s. does not maintain its embassy in the preferred capital of the country. without context, with gaps on the issues so wide, with the trust between israelis and palestinians so deep, at a time when the president of the united states is pursuing his ultimate deal, this move is ill advised, ill conceived, and frankly, ill timed. i m still trying to figure out what the logic is behind the move. is it attached to a particular strategy? 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let s take down a powerful guy together, ha-ha, no, day don t. reporter: summer zervos is demanding that trump apologize or retract his statements and pay damages to be decided by the court. but trump s attorneys say the case is politically may have theed, her allegations are false, and trump s statements defending himself are protected political speech. they say the president is too busy and important and want the case dismissed or at the very least, postponed, until trump s presidency is over. so, athena, this is obviously crucial. how significant, if the judge rules this case can go ahead. well, it would be pretty significant. you would have a sitting president having to answer to these charges in a state court and ongoing court case. he could be called on to testify and it s also possible that the president s past sexual history and past conduct could be deemed relevant. so we could hear from some of trump s other accusers. and we re talking about a dozen women. wow, which would obviously be incredibly significant and put all of this right back in the forefront, again. absolutely. athena, thank you so very much. a crucial development to watch. and next, trump says, again, his tax plan is good for the middle class. but what he is not telling you is that the people it s really good for are the ultra, ultrawealthy. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, for a limited time, get an additional $1,000 cash back on top of 0% financing for 72 months. get these exclusive offers during the ford year end sales event. we re on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, it s time to wake up to keurig. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? 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