down uniform on plus the mask. she said you are going to be in the shot. she said what shot you? are going to stand there and hold the plattedder of calimari. i was wondering how we were going to hold this thing or prop it up. we are going to put you in the shot. i did. from there it became iconic. the rest is history. carley: their seconds until fox & friends. i didn t know this before calimari is rhode island s official appetizer. really quickly, what s the best way to serve it? nice and crispy with pepper, hot pepper rings, garlic and olive oil and a little bit of aregular know basil. carley: just the way we like it. do you approve? todd: oh, man, i m going to run out right now. carley: chef, thank you very much. have great day. thank you. you too. carley: sounds delicious. fox & friends starts right now. have a great day. steve: all right. thank you, carley and todd. welcome aboard, folks. #:00 in new york city. monday, june 10th already, and this is fox & friends. bed it all on red. trump rallies voters in sin city, vegas. feeling confident about the production chances out there in november. now we have a lot of democrats coming over, because really we are the party of common sense. we are a party of common sense. ainsley: plus all rise. hunter biden s federal gun trial resumes today at 8:15. will he take the stand? gregg jarrett weighs in just ahead. brian: going to talk on a raging bull. lawrence: a rodeo spirals out of control. brian: where are the clowns? shouldn t clowns be stopping that? lawrence: they jump in the stands. brian: don t make excuses. if you are running clown you got to stop them. that bull was running from the clown. some people are scared of clowns. ainsley: people were really injured though, weren t they? steve: going to find out. brian: i can t wait it s a cliffhanger. nothing happens until i read the tease. you guys can t do anything unless i read. lawrence: you have the power. steve: please read. brian: fox & friends begins right now, remember mornings are better with friends. get dressed. steve: okay. meanwhile, folks, let s start with this former president donald trump hit las vegas yesterday to hold his first campaign rally since his new york city criminal conviction. ainsley: and is he looking to continue building support in nevada with a key swing state primaries set for tomorrow. brian: is he up in almost all the polls there madeleine rivera joins us now. maddie? good morning, guys. capped off his western swing after raising millions of dollars in california he rallied voters in the sweltering heat railing against his conviction and touting his poll numbers in nevada. they indicted me over nothing. they opened up a whole new box and then i got indicted again and again and again. i i was never indicted. in this tiny period of time i was like a ping-pong pal o. is ball. fox news poll show donald trump meeting trump in a head-to-head matchup. in the margin of error. won t charge taxes on tips which is a major source of income for the las vegas. the colorado union represents the 60,000 hospitality workers says really is needed but that nevada workers know the difference between real solutions and wild campaign promises. trump also denounced the border policies particularly important issue for voters in the state. and though he didn t mention it on stage, trump went on x to endorse sam brown the leading candidate in the g.o.p. senate primary race. trump called the purple heart recipient a fearless american patriot who has pure grit and courage to take on enemies both foreign and domestic. the winner of the race will take on i object couple bent democratic senator jacqui rosen in november. lawrence, steve, ainsley and brian. steve: all right, madeleine, thank you very much. ainsley: no tax on tips is huge. i was in the service industry. imagine not having to pay taxes on your tips. steve: absolutely. that is great. particularly given the fact that the culinary union is so big out there. i just looked it up. any change in tip taxes would require an october 6 conditioning. the plan would be for donald trump when elected he would ask congress to do something about it. keep in mind one of the top things they got to do next year. the donald trump tax cuts package from 2017 will expire next year and this could be part of it. brian: if you are a member of congress who wants to go against that? i mean, i got to say, i m impressed with the balance of the comedy at his rally as well as actually proposing policy initiatives. because, i think this is something that helps the working class immediately. day bun one. and if you remember the biden administration introduce the those new irs agents to find the pfine thepeople cutting the taxs skipping out with the tips. seeing the contrast between the two campaigns. i think this wins more voters. brian: what a few days he has h he was out in silicon valley. raised $12 million. with people that i didn t think liked him. silicon valley crowd pretty much the one that said we re going to correct what happened in 2016. did better on social media than hillary. do everything possible to destroy you in 2020. and we watched what the twitter files emerge. now you have senator j.d. vance set up a fundraiser out there and goes to newport beach on saturday. thousands lined up on the streets and went n front of 3,000. and then he had this fundraiser. and on the bay. the boats were on the outside of newport. then he goes over to vegas and finishes up and flies home. still a big gap of 36 million between the two campaigns. the president the former president is closing the gap. the big story is, i think that virginia, new hampshire, he is up in deed heat. nevada, and arizona four or five points the president is up. so he has got to feel good about where is he at right now. ainsley: he went after biden s border. he said something that broke a lot of news over the weekend but he said he wants president biden to take a drug test before the debate in about two and a half weeks. he said i will take one. he needs to take one. he said. is he not old. is he incompetent. brian: right. his age is not the problem. lawrence: whether it s the drug test or just explaining to the american people ups and downs of the president. one dain shuffling off the stage can t walk the full route overseas and suddenly able to be jacked up for a state of the union. two days later is he back to the same old same old. i don t know if it s a drug test or just explaining how is the president alert sometimes and sometimes not so much. brian: do with the nfl and major league baseball we find out what drugs he had are on. usually help your performance. why can t we find out the president. ainsley: might just be a mountain dew. red bull. steve: why is there so much pep in his step. lawrence: exactly. steve: maybe on those cheery days maybe the president starts his day watching fox & friends. just saying. brian: looked himself up in the morning. v.p. short list except for more reports about frontrunners, rubio, j.d. vance and governor doug burgum and i also put in some classes some cases tom cotton. i also would say this is pretty clear. he very much likes doug burgum around him. especially when it comes. ainsley: he will definitely get some sort of job. brian: i hear the wives get along. ainsley: so successful a billionaire. self-made man i believe. steve: people are talking about the vice president because, that particular post because last week the former president said maybe i will announce that person, whoever that is at the rnc, which, you know, that makes a lot of sense because then it makes it a little more exciting who will it be. matt joaquin a republican strategist had this to fox news digital talking about the frontrunner behind the scenes. it turns out he says it s marco rubio. describes him this way an effective, disciplined communicator who rarely makes mistakes while demonstrating his ability to win a slightly higher percentage of white voters in 2022 than trump did in florida in 2020. marco rubio also appeals to the suburban and independent voters that will be key to trump s success and is the only contender from a true battleground state. trump would balance out his ticket by picking rubio for vice president which cannot be said from some of the other options these reasons is why many fear the selection of marco rubio the most. and do you know what? going back to new hampshire primary i heard from some of the top insiders marco rubio was their favorite. one of the reasons is first of all he is one of those guys who could be president on day one. if need be, hispanic, can speak spanish. given the fact that republicans have not had many good answers about abortion. the insiders really like marco rubio s approach to abortion and pro-life. lawrence: he has a few things going for him when it comes to the former president s side. he took a punch from him back in 2016. brian: gave some, too. a lot of video. ainsley: staunch allies. lawrence: he endorsed him over his governor ron desantis at the time. from what i hear the former president doesn t look too kindly of the people who decided to challenge him in this past election because he thought it was a forgone conclusion. the second thing is, he defends him on all the sunday shows. and is he not just defending him. he does it effectively. he punches back. they try to get him on his heels and he doesn t get on those heels much often also foreign policy. elephant in the room he is hispanic. second minority group that the democrats are concerned about, whether it s black voters is hispanic voters. he has a lot going for him but one thing totally right now is to steve s point. he can be president. and we would love to see him go against kamala harris in a debate. ainsley: he would have to move to washington, d.c. he is a senator. so he could do that because you can t have a vp and president. steve: from the same state. ainsley: only one on that list that speaks a second language. he would reach the hispanic voters. is he a familiar face. one g.o.p. strategist who was anonymous said in an article said strongest voice in the senate for the american first agenda. is he excellent on tv. he never messes up. he says trump latino base and solid safe pick in a lot of upsides. brian: all three of you are wrong on everything. no, i would just say that s true, too. tom cotton is extremely strong. ainsley: is he great. the whole list is good. brian: he could be secretary of defense. burgum number two or energy. all be in there tim scott really strong. tim scott is doing something else that j.d. vance is doing. formed a super pac. trying to tie up the black vote. actually raising money with a super pac for trump. so i think that also adds a lot. people are sincerely on board in 2016 they weren t. in 202024 president has machine going. ainsley: byron donds is on the list. is he strong. steve: also florida, that s a problem. he is going to have a future in politics. steve: one other note about marco rubio. because he and the president are florida residents. they have behind the scenes worked out a plan where he could he could go to another state. could be a battleground state where marco rubio moved to i m not going to say two states i heard but he would help put those in the trump column. brian: do you want senate race. j.d. vance had a very tough race fill to see the. do you want to open up a ohio race? do you want to open up a florida race? steve: he is on the show today. lawrence: i will say a final point there was all this talk about confusion within the republican party. it looks like nikki haley, to other folks that challenged. the parties is coming together. so, again, the process worked. people got challenged. brian: i do think nikki haley s people have got to be addressed. she getting a lot of votes in every state still. i think they should come forward. the other thing is j.d. vance s foreign policy scares me. very smart. i appreciate his service. he tends to go isolationist. i don t think that s what we need as a country. steve: all right. meanwhile, let s talk, brian something we need as a country. we need a strong border. brian: some would say. steve: we haven t had it for a while. of course now the president is taking executive action. he has got crazy numbers. nobody quite understands what they are doing. it still seems like thousands are coming across every day. the department of homeland security secretary mayorkas was on with martha raddatz yesterday and essentially mayorkas was kind of taking a victory lap where it s like, hey, finally we are taking action because republicans wouldn t do anything. martha called him on it. listen to this. i want to go back to an interview i did with you in march 2021, two months into your tenure as dhs secretary. you seemed totally confident then that you that under control. let s listen to what you told me. we have seen large numbers of migration in the past. we know how to address it. we have a plan. we are executing on our plan. and we will succeed. one thing that is also clear it takes time. it s tough. but we can do it. this is what we do and we will accomplish our mission. we will succeed. three years ago. since then 6.5 million migrants have been apprehended along the southern border. it would be very hard to call this a success. martha, remember something that immigration, migration is a dynamic phenomenon. it is something that we alone are it s not just us who is experiencing it. throughout the region and throughout the world. brian: they are all fed up. they know he has been flat out lying the whole time. they know the reversal of the exordz did on the president. lack of enforcement even when title 42 was in place. now they want to blame the legislation. do you remember the genesis of the legislation that was bipartisan led by senator lankford on the right. he wanted foreign aid money. the republicans came back and said yeah, you want foreign aid money, first, do the border. they started negotiating. if it wasn t for the reluctance of republicans to sign off on the foreign aid money and putting the border in there, the president had no interest in legislation. even the legislation that he put out there in year one. he never talked about it. he had a republican. he had a democratic senate. and democratic house. he evidently put out his border policy legislation. no one even looked at it. and his own party didn t want it. lawrence: i got to be honest. i know why we cover this of another network finally pushing back. but it s really knowing that we have to celebrate them doing the bear minimum. i mean, they have four years of numbers to reflect on each year it s gone up. and they don t push the administration on it. they wait until elections year where all the toll polls are showing the tone of the person people have changed. then they start pushing back. i hope that in the future some of these reporters do this along the journey instead of waiting until the issue has reached the height, 10 year high i think that s what it is. and hopefully we can get policy changes in the future. can t wait until just election year. ainsley: internal memo from border patrol that was released obtained by fox. it instructs agents in san diego to release single adults from the eastern hemisphere countries. most of the eastern hemisphere countries. they are considered hard or very hard to remove. that was after biden s exdetective order. steve: things really aren t changing much. brian: 62% of the country in support of mass deportation. keep putting down trump s idea. 63%. that s how much has changed. lawrence: from democratic and independent voters. hunter biden s gun trial continues this morning at 8:15 owner. 15eastern. we are waiting to see if the defense calls the first son to testify. ainsley: rich edson outside the courthouse in wilmington, delaware. hey,rich, what s the latest? good morning. on friday lead defense attorney abbe lowell overheard saying he was going to take the weekend to decide if hunter biden was going to get called to the stand. that answer is due in a couple of hours when court reconvenes here. i will figure out if we are going to see hunter take the stand. if he does not. decides against taking the stand. this could all happen very, very quickly. we could get into closing arguments and jury deliberations by this afternoon. if hunter does testify, prosecutors have indicated they may put on rebuttal witnesses, that would extend this trial further. last week and it was the defense calling hunter s daughter naomi. she delivered emotional testimony about how during the summer of 2018, she said her father was the clearest she had seen him since her uncle beau died in 2015. father used text messages, bank records, ex-girlfriend, sister-in-law who he was in a relationship with to paint a picture of rampant drug use when he purchased and possessed that firearm and allegedly swore on a form that he was not a drug user. hunter s lawyer have drawn testimony that dunn actually saw him use crack in october 2018 those the month he bought the firearm. the prosecution introduced text messages, one the day after he bought that gun. hohallie biden his sister-in-law meeting a dealer named mookie. day after that he texted hallie he was smoking crack. hunter s attorneys maintain he may not have wanted hallie to know where he was so he lied to her over texts. introduced that infamous laptop into evidence. fbi agent testified that it did not appear to be tampered with after hunter dropped it off at computer repair shop. all that last week. see where this heads in a couple hours from now and whether hunter biden or any other witnesses for the defense will take the stand. back to you. steve: it s a deliver langer. thank you very much. we know either today hunter is going to take the stand or not. and we could have closing arguments. we know that jill biden is probably going to be in the courtroom. because she remember, she flew from france to be in the courtroom on friday and then flew back to france for that state dinner. but, the curious thing, the x-factor is this. joe biden, the president is in delaware today. which makes no sense. he flew from france to delaware. ainsley: what are you saying? steve: here s the thing he has a juneteenth concert tonight at the white house. why did he go to delaware today? can you imagine if the president of the united states sat in the courtroom during closing arguments today? would that have an impact on the jury? ainsley: does he have anything on the calendar? steve: not one thing, ainsley. not one thing. lawrence: do you think it would be appropriate, steve for him to do that? steve: it s his son. with yeah, why not? but obviously this is a message that will be sent to the jury. ainsley: the president of the united states and first lady walk into his son s trial. steve: right. ainsley: and jury sees them that s pretty powerful. steve: think about it. she has been doing every day so secret service knows how that room works. it s secure. lawrence: the special counsel, the president is still his boss in theory the president can fire the special counsel. we just got take all of that. son and boss. brian: politically he doesn t benefit from it. steve: no. brian: we will see. turn to ainsley you have something special to read out loud. the u.s. is calling for the u.n. security council to vote or the proposed gaza cease-fire deal that s currently on the table. it comes after long time israeli war cabinet member benny gantz unexpectedly resigned from his position yesterday. meanwhile, have a democratic video released by the idf shows the moment israeli troops were able to secure two hostages in that daring helicopter rescue out of gaza over the weekend. gary congressman mike collins revealing one of his staffers and a friend were attacked in washington, d.c. over the weekend. he says the suspect stole a watch. collins says in mart pour nation s capital a war zone because of pro-criminal policies pedaled by d.c. s government. police posting this photo of the suspect s car saying they believe it was involved in several armed robberies across the city. wnba star caitlin clark is taking the high rode after she was snubbed from the team u.s.a. s olympic basketball roster. no disappointment. gives you something to work for. you know, it s a dream. hopefully one day i can be there. i think it s a little more motivation. you remember that. and you know, hopefully in four years, when four years comes back around i can be there. ainsley: clark says team officials told her about the decision before the news got out. four people were hurt when a bull broke loose and jumped into the stands during a rodeo in oregon on saturday. take a look. oh. oh my god. open the gate. open the gate. officials say the bull walls heading back to holding pen when it made a beeline for the fence leaping over the crowd. handlers were able to get things back over control in a few minutes. incredibly everyone is expected to be okay. all right. so they were injured but they are going to be fine. steve: well, who knew that a bull could jump like that. lawrence: that happens occasionally. i m just curious what brian, as a yankee would do is if something. brian: i would look for a child to hold up in front of me no, i m kidding. i would definitely put my hand up. wait for him to come to me, grab him around the head and try to hold him until some clown could bail me out. lawrence: brian, do you know what color not to wear at a rodeo? brian: would it be red? lawrence: very good. brian: that s why i m not a bulls fan. ainsley: have you all been to cabo. there was that bull that was loose on the beach. the lady was not wearing red. trying to feed the bull and it attacked her. steve: keep in mind. there are tens of thousands of people every year who go to papatch leona spain to run in front of the bull wear the rednecker chiefs. brian: if i could quote the president, don t. [laughter] steve: it doesn t work. brian: meanwhile, president biden, once again, mixing up two very different countries. i mean the idea we had wait all those months just to get the money for iraq? brian: congressman ryan. lawrence: congress ryan zinke. brian: sorry. ainsley: brian, don t. brian: don t. nice to see you, congressman. mr. secretary. i get around (male vo) kate made progress with her mental health, but her medication caused unintentional movements in her face, hands, and feet called tardive dyskinesia, or td. so her doctor prescribed austedo xr a once-daily td treatment for adults. as you go with austedo austedo xr significantly reduced kate s td movements. some people saw a response as early as 2 weeks. with austedo xr, kate can stay on her mental health meds (kate) oh, hi buddy! 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[ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. summer is in full effect we are continuing to see that really warm air moving across the country. forecasted highs today. a whole lot of green out there. some of that could be severe weather. really highlighting an area across the northern plains. there is a stretch where you could see severe weather all the way down into texas. it s that red bullseye where you see the highest risk of big severe thunderstorms and isolated tornado his or her or there. and next couple of days and this is taking it through the week. florida is going to get round after round after round of rain. florida is going to be an issue for the sunshine state. brian, tossing it over to you. brian: thanks,adam. former president trump laying out his vision for america in battleground nevada on sunday. saying common sense trans sends all party afill united states. democrats are coming over. we are the party of common sense. we are a party of common sense. we want to have that strong military. we have to. i totally rebuilt the military. all of the things that we did, that s what they want this as the new york times piece tries to warn stronger border, more manufacturing jobs, law and order and end to foreign wars no. joke. that s supposed to scare people. joining us now his thoughts former cabinet secretary for president trump and now congressman in montana ryan zinke. great to see. great to be with you. i think they forget this is a movement. it s more than just a candidate. this is a movement because america is not where the biden administration is on almost any issue. what is interesting is. brian: so common sense works? you are not even talking conservative? and do what you say you are going to do. a promise made should be a promise kept. in the white house, when i walked. in steve bannon had an office just off the side there was a long list of things that president trump promised during the campaign. and this huge whiteboard was there and every time the president would accomplish one, that went off the board and this is what we are working on. and what you are seeing in this article yeah, we want a secure border. you know what he? also understands service industry. he says, you know what? let s not tax service industry tips. he gets it. if you are in the service industry. look, it s tough. not taxing tips. yeah, this is exactly what we need to do. common sense. you know, to feed the economy. brian: just so interesting because he ran in 2016 and 2020. the issues are coming full circle. when he is talking about law and order. putting federal troops into poorltd and talking about some of the unrest in the streets. like what are you doing you? are crazy. now they are saying coming. at the border, of course we need build a wall. of course we need control. of course we don t want 8 million people here that we don t know. and of course we want to have a strong military. it s rather than what do conservatives and liberals think. why like bill maher and jon stewart said what happened to logic and james carville, too. other thing i want to bring up foreign policy, you fight wars as well as representatives now in congress. the 39 of the united states overseas, went after republicans. which many presidents never would do. but here s what he said and here s what he got confused. the idea that we have become semiisolationists now that some are talking about. the idea we had to wait all those months just to get the money for iraq and because we i mean, it just it s just it s not who we are. it s not who america is. brian: see iraq and iran. very rare iraq and ukraine. when you talk about isolationism. you talk about the biden administration. start with afghanistan. no plan in ukraine. $130 billion, we have no plan. israel on fire. first time that direct strike from iran. we are talking icbm launch. direct strike. we do nothing but shoot them down. and of course you had isolationists our allies don t trust us and our enemies don t fear us. that isolates the u.s. brian: you guys wrote a check for $65 billion and you said get them equipment. did you that. none of the equipment has arrived. he wants to focus on the delay in congress. that s fine. that ship has sailed. the real issue is where s the stuff? where is the training of the f-16 pilots? where are the f 16s? it s been a year and a half. how long does it take to deliver something that was on pallets ready do go. and withholds ammunition from israel. still doing it. right? it is willful or incompetence, i m thinking it s a little bit of both. look at our foreign policy in the middle east. and this administration, many of them were obama retreads, have an affinity towards iran. it s almost at the state department has been compromised. because inside there is this sympathy and support of iran from the sanctions and now this action. i think america is figuring it out. brian: many people at the state department don t like the country. that s been the case for a long time. congressman, i will talk to you more on radio if that s okay. i look forward to it. brian: good to see you and good luck with your re-election. ryan zinke.com and five seals in congress we are going to get seven. brian: let s see it. congressman, thank you so much. go over to carley who i know you are a fan of. carley: i m fan of his and yours, too brian. brian: thank you. carley: more news to get. to say happening today, officials are surveying the now fully cleared shipping channel at the site where the francis scott key bridge collapsed. they will be inspecting under the water to make sure it s safe for the channels to reopen. operations started about an hour ago after it reopens crews will still be working to remove more debris from outside the channel throughout the month. it s a huge job ongoing now. home surveillance video capturing a fire spreading close to a home in cots dale, arizona. look at that this happened before firefighters were age to put it out. the homens owner says she was watching the live feed in horror after flames sparked in a neighboring to move towards her house. firefighters put out the blaze after neighbors tried extinguishing it themselves. officials say the fire was accidently sparked by nearby construction workers who were putting up a fence. friends and colleagues of jailed wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich gathering in brooklyn yesterday, holding a barbecue to raise awareness of his 14 months in russian prison. great reporter, great friends. and he should be here barbecuing with us right now. evan loves mixing different groups of people. that s what we have done here. we have the wall street journal reporters, we have friends of evan s from high school and college. just to keep him just spare a thought for him because it s going to be a tough summer for him in prison. and we want people to and we wanted him to know that people are rooting for him. carley: gershkovich is scheduled to appear back in russian court at the end of this month. those are the headlines, brian, over to you. brian: if president trump wins is he going to make that a priority he said. thank you so much. hunter biden s federal gun trial resumes we will wait to see if he actually takes the stand. gregg jarrett on the impact that will have. that s his picture. 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dr. siegel: sealing this an education week survey as you showed it s frightening. the word listening, sharing, socialization. can you imagine of a kid and we are talking about kids from pre-k up to 3rd grade don t know how to listen and the vast majority of teachers, that s how you learn is by listening. and this is really disturbing. now, the cdc has also shown that we are at 11% of kids with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, ainsley. all-time high. you said what do you do about it. you are already doing it with your daughter. let me tell you what do you about it. you make it family-based. you take it out of the classroom and back into the family and you try to limit the amount of screen time and social media use and internet use that your kids have. because, other surveys show and other studies show it s directly correlated with anxiety and the inability to learn. ainsley: yeah. have you seen a difference in what children are faced with nowadays? i feel like every parent is worried we are all hiring tutors to help our kids in second and third grade. we are trying to give them i remember one teacher told me if you want your child to listen more. you need to give them a 1, 2, 3, like brush your honor teeth, go be pick out your books, put on your pajamas, like they are good with a list. i feel like our parents never worried about this kind of thing. they let us grow up. that s really a good point. that s a really good lesson you just said how you have to get back to basics with your kids. do you know why? it isn t just schools the way i just said. it s also that during the pandemic, over 3 years. kids were isolated. and they were on their iphones at a very young age. i mean before the age of five. and they were home and they were shut down our schools were closed. so the basics play time. i think you learn more in play time by the way than you actually learn sitting in a class sometimes. that was shut down. there wasn t physical education. that was shut down. fear of spreading the virus. when it comes to public health. have you got to look at the consequences and the costs of what you are doing. we saw this happening early on. kids wearing masks can t read other kids faces. can t read the teachers faces. you are right. you have to get back to basics with your child. and you have to be calm and soothing and caring and loving and love will get us through. this we have a long way to go. we have to overcome math and reading scores are way down as well. ainsley: i know. math has dropped 7 points after the pandemic and reading dropped 5 points after the pandemic. dr. siegel, thank you so much. dr. siegel: great to see you, ainsley. ainsley: you too. let s throw it over to carley she had a business addition of fox and trends. carley: scenes like this are apparently becoming more common in the workplace. i m saying pam. i m sorry, who is this gentleman sitting behind you. hello, misled. i m dale, i m vernon s stepbrother. i think i might be able to help with the panel, pam dilemma. carley: that will be great. a quarter of gen z job seekers are involving their parents in the interview process. 31% had a parent join them for their in person interview. if you believe that. 29% had them join a virtual interview. there is also this, blue collar workers are going viral. the wall street journal says it s because, quote: gen z plumbers and construction workers are making blue collar cool. in today s episode we got a little kitchen going on. and i felt the sense of drano and fish sauce hit my nostrils. trend setter, league of my own it don t get better. carley: i get it. according to the wall street journal, there were more than half a million posts using #blue collar on tiktok in just the first four months of this year. 64% increase compared to 2023. blue collar is cool, guys. steve: that s right. and somewhere mike rowe is saying i told you that. carley: yeah, right? steve: thing about these people are show thawing can actually do stuff if you put your phone down for one minute. carley: only thing about that is you put the phone down to do this stuff but you are recording the thing you are doing on your phone. so the phone is still a part of it. but i also think that a reason why this blue collar is cool shows real america. people are into it. lawrence: also, you don t have to go to college and you don t need all that debt and we don t have to pay for it. carley: not paying a student loan so cool. ainsley: become the electrician you own the company. lawrence: pass it down to your kids. ainsley: your name is on the truck. brian: i would love a situation where you do both. you learn a trade and you go to school. i would love to see both. ainsley: i agree with that i like a college education. brian: fix something. steve: learn a lot today on fox & friends. look who coming ahead. stay with us, folks. brian: yeah. they look nice. really nice i can guarantee the smooth writing, longest lasting pilot g2 has long been the hero of gel ink pens. and what hero doesn t have a dark side? 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for me the for the people that came to help, it was really just all in a day s work situations like this really show everyone and certainly showed us in this instance just how much all of us out in the world depend on all of you and again, i want to thank the crew from medic 24 firefighter hayden campbell, firefighter, paramedic, atom iq, and fire inspector paramedic, kimberly booser, who helped bring gray into the world. i got to be reunited with them over the weekend and i also learned when i spoke to adam and his crew, they were just as happy as i was to have a friendly female face on that crew. thank you. to kim for taking charge because man, she did. we also do want to just take a moment to thank all of the first responders here in the district of columbia, but across the country that all of us trust with our lives every day, because you really have no idea when you might need to make that call and having those people on the other end of the line makes all the difference in the world. they are truly lifesavers, so thank you to all of them, thanks to our panel, thanks to all of you for joining us. i m kasie hunt. don t go anywhere. cnn news central starts right this morning. a former president meets with his probation officer, you wonder if james madison had that in mind when writing the constitution what can donald trump say that might impact? his sentence? tony blinken back in the middle east set to meet with the israeli prime minister just after the dramatic hostage rescue operation in gaza. and a key number of his war cabinet resigns and now the us is calling for a new un security council vote and back-to-back shark attacks does miles apart part off the coast of florida officials are now issuing a warning because of it. i m kate bolduan. would john berman, sarah sayyed is out. this is cnn news central morning something no former president has ever done donald trump will sit for a pre-sentencing interview with this probation officer. this interview will be part of the report the probation department will submit to judge juan were shot ahead of trump s sentencing on july 11, and for normal defendants it could be a significant factor in determining whether there will be present time. of course, donald trump is not a normal defendant. will this now cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller jaume, we ve got some new information about how this will be similar and different to other meetings like this. so the normal process is that the probation officer sits with the defendant and in some cases, in this case, the defendant s lawyer and they go through a tick list. it s what is your home situation? du you live in a stable environment? do you have employment? can you get employment? are you suffering from any drug addiction? what is your criminal background as it violent in this case, donald trump is going to be different from a lot of defendants. in fact, the vast majority he lives in a triplex at the top of a building with his name on it. he has no criminal record. and yet like any other defendants, he does have multiple other open felony cases but as far as employment, drugs, and so on the question that they re trying to resolve at the probation department as a couple of things, but key to it is is he a good candidate for the community corrections environment in english, that means the prison correction environment, or being on probation without going to jail, but having to accept the conditions of probation. now, a lawyer present in bys zoo this will not be in-person and todd blanche will be there with donald trump. how unusual is that? is that what joe schmo, defendant normally gets? joe schmo defendant usually it comes down to see the probation officer, their probation officer wants to get a look at him or her, get a sense of that. but during covid, the system had to keep going. so virtual probation interviews became a thing. and this makes sense because he s in another city. you said probation here. what would probation exactly mean for donald trump so probation is if you are convicted of a crime and they say we re not going to incarcerate you, but we need to check up on you to make sure you re not going to re-offend or you re not re-offending parole is when you go to jail and they let you out early and they check on you after the fact. so this is an interesting thing. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg went to a lot of trouble to bring this case and to get this conviction. and he said in his controversial day one memo that he wants less people to go to jail especially in non and violent crimes, but he didn t single out white-collar crimes. so we don t know what they re going to ask for. and then very finally, john, this meeting will happen today well, we hear what comes out of it or how will we know what comes out of it? so technically we shouldn t hear what comes out of it the psr or the pre-sentencing report goes from the new york city department of probation to that state supreme court judge juan merchan. and it is to help him as he decides on the sentence, whether it s in jail or prison, or whether it s on probation. didn t what those conditions should be if it s probation, donald trump will probably have to check in with a probation officer once a month. sometimes once a week. he sounds more like a once a month candidate. and make sure he doesn t get arrested again, that s days out of trouble. john miller and education as always, thanks so much for being here this wall civics lesson really is no. i mean, all this stuff is new to me. donald trump will learn a lot about it today, no doubt, it s good that you don t know about. i appreciate that. so far yet, but the things john miller doesn t know. so we ll hunter biden, take the stand or are we now just hours away from closing arguments very soon, you could have that answer as hunter biden s trial gets back underway in delaware next hour, the president s don is facing multiple charges related to a 2018 drug purchase. he has pleaded not guilty. so where did things go now after what end? the week with the week ending last week with very dramatic and emotional testimony. marshall cohen is outside court for us. how soon do you expect to have that answer of where this really is headed and how fast march kate good morning. we should find out pretty soon because the proceedings resume here in wilmington, delaware at 8:10 and am just about one hour from now. and one of the first items on the agenda is to have an answer from the defense. they told the judge that they want wanted to take the weekend to think this over, figure out the final contours of their strategy. if hunter is going to take the stand in his own defense, or if they re going to rest their case to move on to closing arguments. now why might they want to do that? we ve always said it s unlikely and it would be incredibly risky. but before the trial, they said then some of their court filings that one of the things that they would want him to tell the jury if he decided to testify in his own defense was that he has been cleaned sober, and law abiding since 2019. kate, the jury is heard so much testimony about his rampant drug abuse, really painting him anyway sorry struggling and negative light they said, if he did testify, he would want to convey to the jurors directly that he s been cleaned for several years now, but of course, if he did testify, prosecutors could grill him and they said in filings that they would probably want to bring up his discharge from the navy ten years ago after a positive drug test and that they might try to attack his credibility by bringing up that in their view, he not only light on this gun for him, but he s also lied on his taxes. so a huge decision, it would be a risky move. we should find out in about one hour so then add it all up with the caveat of it s uncertain what we re going to hear right when court picks back up, but how soon could the jury have this case well, if he doesn t testify, then it s time for closing arguments. both sides will be able to give their final push to the jury on why they think they should get a conviction or an acquittal, then there s jury instructions as well from the judge educating the jurors, instructing them on the laws in this case. the elements of the alleged crimes and how they should conduct their deliberations. now, one of the things that the defense wants the judge to instruct the jury you re about today during those instructions, is what they call their theory of the case. the simplest, most straightforward reason why in their view, this trial should to end with three not guilty verdicts. and they told the judge that she should instruct the jury that hunter biden, quote, did not believe that he was either a drug user or addict at that time when he bought the gun and when he possessed the gun, they ve said all along that if he did not know, he was a drug addict, if he did not no, he was a user than he cannot be convicted of these crimes. so it could happen today, kate, it very likely will and i ll pick back up an hour from now. thank you, marshall. appreciate the reporting. still ahead for us secretary of state back in the middle east and about to meet with israeli prime minister prime minister now facing a new reality after that dramatic hostage rescue operation in gaza is quickly followed by a key resignation from his war cabinet. the test now for blinken ahead as we learn new details about that rescue operation. plus nvidia is one of the hottest stocks of the year of 144%. and now the major change hitting today the market s about to open and they ve woken a monster that is the new reaction from caitlin clark after learning, she will not be playing on the us olympic team in the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t the higher the president and the former president s one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debates 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liebermann live in tel aviv this morning. what a tumultuous few days there aren t john, this was such a celebratory moment and it s still is after a major operation to rescue four israeli hostages from a densely populated area in gaza. but the israeli government itself is already fractured following that with prime minister benjamin netanyahu trying to thank gone to one of his war cabinet members who just quit the government hospital in central israel. they hug does if there was no tomorrow because for so long they feared there wouldn t be four israeli hostages were rescued from gaza in israeli operation on saturday after eight months of captivity among the rescued, one of the most well-known hostages, noa argamani, were united with her father here video from october 7 showed her pleading. were held as kidnappers drove her into gaza and you d like a shield that s her father. thanked he israeli military for the rest. but reunions like this remain all too rare. this is only the third 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don t freak out the share price is about to shrink dramatically, but it s not a glitch. it s actually a sign of success. so as you mentioned and videos, just having this legendary period of success lately, they power these computer chips that really ron artificial intelligence. and so they re so hot that the board announced a ten for one stock split. that means that the stock is going to go from closing on friday above $1,200 a piece. to just over $120 reason why companies do this is because they re trying to make the share price more accessible, right? when a stock goes into the high hundreds of dollars for a lot of the market exactly. it makes it harder for smaller investors to take a piece of it. now, the market value is onchange. this is really just a cosmetic change, but this is something that a lot of other successful tech companies have done. apple, amazon and tesla have all done it. and it s really a sign that, the company is on a positive run because the share price has gone up, it s actually a good problem to have talked to me about. i mean, you re hitting a lot of its ai, but what is driving videos six nvidia for the longest time was known as the company that powers computer chips for videos so games and then they made this bet ten years ago that they could become the brains of artificial intelligence. and that paid off massively. look at this gd or ec stock price rise, just five years ago, you could buy the stock for about 50 bucks. now, it s above $1,200 last month and video revealed that its revenue tripled year-over-year of its profits or more than 7-fold. it s now worth more than 3 $3 it s an incredible amount of money. if you compare nvidia it s worth the same amount as starbucks, boeing, city, at&t, jp jpmorgan, tesla, exon, home depot and walmart combined just one company is worth the same as all of these household brands. in fact, nvidia is now one of the most valuable companies in america, worth more than amazon, more than google owner 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cockpit, bent and the glass of the windows of the copic pratt the plane did land safely despite the damage. the catastrophic landslide in wyoming, a section of the famed teton pass, pretty much just fell off the side through the mountain. this is a critical route between wyoming and idaho, not to mention, you know, estimates on when it could reopen new mornings this morning from north korea as tensions with south korea escalate, overnight, north korea sent balloons filled with trash across the border that was in response to what it calls psychological warfare by south korea, south korea announced it will resume broadcasting. anti north korean propaganda in border regions so two shark attacks and florida, just a few miles apart, one woman had to have part of her arm amputated just 90 minutes after that first attack, a shark bit, two teenage girls in waist deep water cnn s rafael romo has the latest on this. rafael john. good morning. and then there was one more we re talking about three shark attacks in the united states over the weekend, three people were injured in two incidents in florida on friday and the men died in hawaii on saturday. this is what we know authority say a 39-year-old man died after what they describe as a shark encounter off the coast of maui, the first fatal attack in hawaii since a snorkel or die there in 2022, the day before, two separate attacks happened in florida in an area between destine and panama city beach in the span of less than 90 minutes and only about four months biles apart, according to authorities are 45-year-old woman suffered significant trauma to her midsection and pelvic area, as well as the amputation of her left lower arm. and the second attack, the victims were two girls between the ages of 15 and 17. the first victim suffered what officials described a significant injuries to one upper and one when lower extremity, both requiring the application of a tourniquet, the second victim has minor wounds to her right foot. one county officials said, what happened is both tragic and terrifying, but historically, shark attacks are exceedingly rare. they re highly unusual and it s extremely unusual for two to happen in the same afternoon when four miles of one another is the sheriff mentioned we re reaching out to us to speak to subject matter experts as to what may, you know, what may be causing that but golf temperatures, the steering current, whatever that is and you may remember that on may 28, there was another incident and galveston beach where a 19-year-old woman was bitten in her left hand by a shark, but survived as reported by cnn affiliate k prc on sunday, that south walton fire this strict in florida issued a warning on x, say the following. we are guests in the gulf. the post says, we all must accept some amount of risk when entering the water that does not take away from these two ladies whose lives are changed forever, but looking for someone to blame is not the answer. they said over the weekend, walton county officials were flying yellow and purple flags for moderate surf hazards and the precedence of dangerous marine life after what happened there friday, john, back to you. all right. rafael romo following this forest, raphael. thank you very much kate. now for eight months in captivity, four israeli hostages are now back home after a dramatic rescue operation. can saturday. and from ever all of everything we ve seen, it was overwhelming for the families of the four that were rescued. yet there are still believed to be 116 israeli hostages still being held captive in gaza today, meaning so many families are still left waiting one of those families is the family of abbe own abby s an american citizen who lives in israel five of her family were either killed or taken hostage in the hamas attacks two of her family, eight-year-old, carmella dan, and 13-year-old noa dan, you see them there. they were killed 12-year-old arrays and his sisters, 16-year-old. so har they were taken hostage and released in november. their father oh, fair calderon. he s still being held in gaza. an abbe on joins us now. abby, thank you for coming back on we ve talked so many times now in the last eight months, how does it feel today? we re how did it feel even on saturday getting the news that the four hostages were rescued and back safely and israel it was super emotional we were we were out. were outdoors with friends and family and we heard the news. and literally she started crying it s it was unmatched. it s unbelievable almost that it was real. and we thought for a second it was a rumor. and then we got confirmation and i think we just cried for hours because as much as we want the 116 for everyone s be home to know that for families will hold again, was amazing it s also now been eight months that ofer has been held hostage what is the latest, if anything, have you heard anything is he still believed to be alive he s believed to be alive. we are fighting to bring them home alive. look, last week was an emotional week it started off with four hostages being declared dead. three of them, amir, i m cooper, chaim peri, yoram metzger, from your odds and so it continues to be a living trauma for sauron areas for their mother, for all of our extended family to know that the people that are there or not safe, that every single day, every minute, every hour, it s urgent that we get an out of it. we get them home and seeing those four people, three of whom we ve seen in a video, alive to know that they were killed in captivity only makes this more urgent. and the fight for over more do allow yourself to feel disappointment when your heart also verse for joy for those families, just the pain of knowing that affairs was not among the four this time, how how do you deal with those feelings? it was it was this really intense moment because they said, it s no argamani and three men and i was like i just, you know, my whole body expanded and i was i was shocked because men are not the category of people that would be coming out in some sort of agreement. and so it was really, really surprising and ultimately you feel joy and happiness for anyone that comes out because it is in nightmare. it is a nightmare of eight months of 248 days for every single family member for the hostages, for anyone involved in this conflict. and we just know that if a hostages would be released, that any any of the challenges of this conflict would immediately be deflated. and that s our goal, is to make sure that every single one of them come home. and that this conflict ends you have made the point. i ve looked back at our conversations. i mean, you ve made the point in every conversation that we ve had to say that you don t want to see any deaths anymore, whether it be on the side of israel or amongst the people in gaza and how does that feel today okay. everything is devastating and heartbreaking. i have never in my life as an american or someone that lived in israel for the last decade i ve never lived through a war on the soil where i reside. and to know what happened, turn october 7, and to think about and appropriate response, there s no such thing but to know that the terror to happen them seventh or any of the deaths that have happened since are all unnecessary. there has to be a different way. and i just know the first step toward that solution is bringing the hostages home. i mean, i mourn every single leinz. there s no question. and i wish that our leaders, both in israel and the united states and around the world with steph, up even higher than they are now, and figure out a way to end this. this is something that cannot continue. now for family members, not for the rest of the world, not for the people who are suffering on the ground gaza, but the hostages and palestinians, it has to end president biden s national security adviser was asked what impact he thinks this rescue operations saturday will have on what we re talking about on the ceasefire negotiations with hamas. let me play for you. what jake sullivan said yesterday, api it s really hard to say, right now. it s hard to say how hamas will process this particular operation and what it will do to its determination about whether it will say yes or not. we have not gotten a formal answer from hamas i set this time even before the bigger impact on overall negotiations. i mean, just what does your gut tell you that you think that the rescue operation of these four hostages from the hands-off hamas will mean for oh, fair i hope if he hears that he feels some sort of hope that his army and its country are fighting for him but i truly believe that there has to be a negotiated agreement because this was a dangerous operation, because soldiers, for the hostages, and for anyone in the acidity. and we don t want to see more death. we want to see the 116 brought home with the minimum amount of death that s that s everyone s goal. they were taken from a party from their beds, from their homes. these are innocent civilians that should be brought home and the pressure in my opinion, needs to be on hamas to release them because if that pressure is big enough, then we get to a place where we can negotiate an agreement i feel so much joy that these four people are home, but i don t believe that putting our soldiers and hostages and other civilians in harm s way is a it s the best the best self forward abby. thank you so much. i m so thankful to see you again and i look forward to the de that we re talking about, the return of all fair thank you so much for coming on. it s going to happen thank you so much, john wright new comments this morning from caitlin clark, the star wnba rookie speaking for the first time after learning, she is not on the roster of the us olympic team competing in paris. cnn s coy wire is with us this morning. this was surprising. i think to people who maybe have just been introduced to the wnba this year yeah, john, there s no doubt about it. there are very strong opinions on both sides of this debate of whether or not caitlin clark should have made team usa for women s hoops many say it s a missed opportunity. the indiana fever phenom has helped shatter viewership and attendance records dating all the way back to her iowa hawkeyes college days. and now in, the, w, she s currently top 15 in the wnba and scoring nearly 17 points per game. she s coming off her best game as a pro scoring 30 points on friday. now, many others are saying that it s completely justifiable that she is not on this projected roster. take a look at this roster of four the 12th players have no previous olympic experience of those for each of them, or at least to time wnba all-stars, none of these players on this projected roster are under the age of 26. clark still just 22, says that being left off of this roster will only make her better listen yeah, they called me and let me know before everything came out, which was really respectful of them and i appreciated that they the same for ever go that made the team for every girl that didn t make the team. yeah, there s a lot of players in an olympic pool, so it wasn t like i was only when they had to call that a mccloud few calls. honestly, no disappointment. i think it just gives you something to work for you. it s a dream, you know, hopefully we can be there think it s just a little more motivation do you remember that? and, you know, hopefully in four years before you comes back around you and i can be there. she got the call on the bus and she texts me to let me know and i just tried to keep our spirits. i mean, the thing she said was, hey coach, they woke a monster, which i thought was awesome. they woke a monster john love that line of a us women are seeking an eighth straight gold at the olympics dating back to 1996, the olympics or just 46 days away, and other basketball news, john berman, celtics are to know nba finals against the dallas mavericks. i m convinced 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changing the fabric of our country. they are destroying our country in nevada is being turned into a dumping ground and you are the whole country she is being turned into a an absolute dumping ground. the illegal immigrants are turning and they re turning at a level that nobody s ever seen before. they re fighting. our families that some of donald trump s message to supporters at an nevada campaign rally yesterday. trump campaign has high hopes for the state that joe biden won and 2020 from the stage, trump focused on slamming biden s new executive action on border security, and he launched his own latino americans for trump coalition. there s also new cnn reporting that president joe biden is considering following his recent border move with a second move on immigration that could protect some undocumented spouses of us citizens from deportation cnn, steve contorno, arlette saenz, both working different angles of this for us. so steve, what more did you hear from donald trump yesterday well, it was a continued attack kate on joe biden s record and that has been central to his outreach to latino voters in black voters and other voters of color. essentially, that your life under trump presidency was better than it has been under joe biden. that is the central case that he is making to voters of, of every shot stripe and it s coming even as you hear that that dark rhetoric about immigration, trump is promising to deport millions of americans. and one of the largest deportation operations in the country s history, if he wins and yet he. is polling suggests that he continues to make headway with latino, spanish-speaking voters four years ago, joe biden won latino voters, handle these 65% of those voters, one for joe biden, trump just got 32%. now, you re seeing almost parody not only nationally, but he s battleground states like nevada and trump also did make a promise that will certainly affect a lot of latino workers who work in the culinary industry. he made a promise about what he would do with tipped wages if he wins. take a listen when i get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips, people making we re gonna do that right away. first taking office because it s been a point of contention for years and years and years. and you do a great job of service, should take care of people now, the culinary union that represents nevada workers are very powerful union put out a statement blasting this proposal. they said quotes nevada workers are smart enough to know the difference between real solutions while campaign promises of a convicted felon, kate that s quite a statement coming from the union right there. steve arlette, what are you learning then about this new reporting on another immigration move potentially by president biden okay. sources have told cnn that the biden administration is considering a new step that could potentially offer legal status to undocumented immigrants who are married to us citizens, officials are looking at an existing authority called parole in place, which would shield the certain groups of undocumented immigrants from deportation and allow them to stay in the country and worked at legally while some of them would be able to seek citizenship, it s expected that this could impact about 750,000 to 800,000 undocumented immigrants at this moment. and it comes as it could potentially appeal to latino voters in states like nevada, arizona, and georgia. but this also comes as the administration is trying to shore up support, not just with latinos, but also progressives and immigration advocates. many groups access frustration with president biden s executive action last week that essentially shut off the asylum process for undocumented immigrants are who are coming to the country illegally when a certain daily threshold hold is met, you ve heard progressives who said that that is similar to policies that were adopted adopted during the trump era, and groups like the aclu have threatened to sue the admin ministration to try to stop this over the weekend, a homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas defended the administration s moves. take a listen but i respectfully disagree with the aclu. i anticipate they will sue us. we stand by the legality of what we have done. we stand by the value proposition. it s not only a matter of securing the border, martha, we have a humanitarian obligation to keep vulnerable people out of the hands of exploitative smugglers now it all comes as president biden is really trying to address a politically vexing issue increasingly, immigration, border security has risen in the list of concerns for voters heading into 2024, you take a look at polling at many believed that trump has would have better policies than biden. but at the same time, the president is i m also trying to shore up with key parts of his constituency, constituencies are heading into that november election. are let thank you so much, steve contorno. thank you as well. john wright with us now, senior spokesperson and adviser to the biden campaign aide or an l rod. thank you so much for being with us. this proposal reported proposal out there to provide some kind of legal status for the undocumented spouses of us citizens. what would that be designed to do? who would that be designed to help? yeah well john i certainly don t want to get into the front of the white house s announcement on this. but what i will say is the following, president biden is how to take matters into his own hands. is president, because congress failed to act. the most historic bipartisan piece of legislation that we have seen in front of congress in over a decade was stopped because maga republicans list sent to their leader, donald trump, who said, i don t want to give joe biden president joe biden, uh, when i don t want to give him a political victory during a 2024 presidential campaign year so president biden has had to take matters into his own hands by issuing executive actions that will will, will, will improve the situation at the border because congress failed to act and congress failed to act again, not because of democrats, but because of maga, republicans. how does providing a legal status for undocumented spouses of us citizens? how does that help people help the situation at the border well, again, i don t want to get in front of the white house on this, but i what i will say is that it s important that the president shall leadership on this, which is what president biden is doing. you see donald trump on the campaign turnout, tell talking about the border, talking about the crisis at the border, blaming democrats when really democrats are the ones john, who want to get something done, where are the ones who worked with republicans across the aisle to negotiate a historic deal that republicans immediately shot down in congress could have easily pass both chambers. they wouldn t let it pass because donald trump said to speaker johnson and other republicans in congress, i don t want to give joe biden to win this cycle. so president biden is doing what he can. he s using every lever his disposal, which of course is, you know, john, when you re the president united states, you can do a lot, but you are somewhat limited in terms of what you can do without congress acting. so it s very important that president biden, you do what he can in the executive branch, but he also hopes that congress will act hello, to play some sound from before. one of donald trump s events in nevada yesterday. in its rhetoric from marjorie taylor greene and another republican supporter. and it s the type of thing that we have heard on the trail recently, which is almost messianic rhetoric concerning donald trump. listen to this oh president trump as a convicted felon what you want to know, something the man that i worship is also a convicted felon and he was murdered on a roman cross is sensitive park to worship and bring back the grid is present we ve ever known in our generation so what do you think when you hear rhetoric like that i don t even know what to think, john, i mean, look, i i m not going to speak for the american people, but i think that rhetoric speaks for itself. and what our focus is, john, on this campaign is made make sure that every single voter understands the contrast understands what is at stake that donald trump and his maga allies are focused on seeking revenge and retribution. they are running a negative campaign that is not focused on the american people, but it s focused on themselves. we are making sure that the american people understand that president joe biden in this fighting for them. he wants to continue his policies of lowering costs for families lowering prescription drug costs continuing his agenda of economic freedom. whereas are republicans are focusing, focusing on themselves and donald trump has made it very clear that if he steps back into the white house, he will rule as a dictator on day one. he will seek, you will use the white house to seek political are the engine retribution on his political enemies? he is said, things that, you know, he s, he s praised the third reich. he s used racist rhetoric at every chance that he has. president biden has delivered for the american people 15 million jobs record unemployment growth when it comes to latinos, in particular, at one point, john, when president donald trump was an office, there was 47% unemployment among latinos. joe biden has created over 4.8 million jobs for latinos. we want to make sure that every single voter, all latino voters, understand what s at stake and what president biden has delivered for them? adrian elrod, appreciate you being with us morning. thank you okay. more than 20 million people from california to arizona could be seeing triple digit or near triple-digit heat. let s get over to cnn s derek van dam tracking this one for us. derek, what are you looking at? yeah. kate, 30 is coming out of phoenix arizona warning that the high risk of heat stress or heat-related illness is present here in the city today, if you don t have access to adequate cooling or adequate hydration as well, they ve had 14 consecutive days where the mercury in the thermometer has climbed above one in hundred degrees and we have no relief really insight, especially this week, 20 million americans under some sort of heat alert, including heat warnings for vegas, sin city. it is sisley and their 11 consecutive days with temperatures above 100 degrees. this is the warmest start in the month of june for n
with the liberal democrats launching their manifesto later this morning. and coming up in business we ll be exploring the rise of swiftonomics as the billionaire pop star s eras tour gets under way in scotland. hello, i m sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. we start in france, and in what s been described as a huge political gamble, the french president emmanuel macron has called a snap parliamentary vote after his alliance suffered a big defeat by the populist right in european union elections. mr macron said he couldn t ignore the result and dissolving parliament was an act of trust in the french people. the national rally party led by marine le pen is on course to win a record 32% of the vote in the elections for the european parliament. that s more than double the coalition which supports president macron. he responded by calling the unexpected snap election. translation: the rise - of nationalists and demagogues is a danger for our nation but also for europe, for france s position in europe and in the world. and i say this even though we have just celebrated with the whole world the normandy landing, and as in a few weeks we will welcome the world for the olympic and paralympic games. yes, the far right is both the result of the impoverishment of the french and the downgrading of our country, so at the end of this day, i cannot act as if nothing had happened. added to this situation is a fever which has gripped public and parliamentary debate in our country in recent years, a disorder which i know worries you, sometimes shocks you and to which i do not intend to give in. however, today, the challenges that present themselves to us, whether external dangers, climate change and its consequences or threats to our own cohesion, these challenges require clarity in our debates, ambition for the country and respect for every french person. this is why, after having carried out the consultations provided for in article 12 of our constitution, i decided to put back in your hands the choice of our parliamentary future by the vote. in a few moments, i will sign the decree convening the legislative elections which will be held onjune 30th for the first round, and july 7th for the second round. for the french far right, the result is one to celebrate. here s marine le pen. translation: the french have spoken and this historic- election shows that when the people vote, the people win. by giving more than 32% to the national rally, the french have just given us their highest score, all parties combined, in a0 years. it is a real emotion to see this beautiful popular force rising up throughout the country. but elsewhere in europe, voters snubbed the governing parties of germany, spain and belgium. results show that overall the centre parties will be the largest bloc in the european parliament. here s its president, roberta metsola. translation: this parliament does not work with a government and in opposition, it works with majorities, we can see that the constructive pro european centre has held and it is that centre has held and it is that centre that will be projected to build on the european project that we need to work with. the president of the european commission, ursula von der leyen, has described the results across the eu as a victory for the centre. translation: this election has given us two messages, first, there remains a majority in the centre for a strong europe. and that is crucial for stability. in other words, the centre is holding. but it is also true, that the extremes on the left and on the right, have gained support. and this is why the result comes with great responsibility, for the parties in the centre. my colleague christian fraser is in brussels and watched the results unfold throughout last night. he sent this summary. the polls have closed he sent this summary. the polls have closed and he sent this summary. the polls have closed and incoming - he sent this summary. the polls have closed and incoming hours| have closed and incoming hours the final projection will be worked out from the results within the 27 countries on stage behind me as the european parliamentary president who is about to give us the latest projects in. we already know from exit polls on the 27 countries, there has been a definitive shift to the right. in austria at the freedom party top of the pile, the netherlands goodfellas taking seven seats, marine le pen for france, a record 32% of the vote, the a b in germany coming second to the cdu there in germany. that is one story tonight but already this election has provided us with some extraordinary news from france where the french president whose party slumped to 15% of the vote called a snap election tonight, parliamentary elections coming for the last week ofjune and first week ofjuly, that is an enormous gamble on the back of a pretty humiliating defeat tonight in the european parliamentary elections. you can see behind me we are about to get the latest projection and here it is. and you can see the biggest group in the european union is up from 176 seats to 189, the big losers on the night, the greens from 70 all the way down to 52, but look on the right hand side of that chart, but as the european conservatives and reformers who are up from 69 and identity and democracy, up from a9, 258, those are the two groupings that include the populists and hard right, there seems to be some confusion from the figures they have put up there, roberto nizzolo said they needed to check these results and they will be refined through the evening because the main polls in italy have all closed, only a short time ago. so with 76 seats in the parliament, that will very much affect the projections they are putting out here. what does all this mean at the end of the day? the big story i suppose aside from those rather dramatic headlines about the hard right, is the centre in the centre right have largely held, they will control the majority of the seats, and on the right, you tend to be some quite disparate groupings, you don t see eye to eye on issues like ukraine stop georgia maloney very much in favour of sending arms to ukraine, whereas marine le pen has been much soft on russia. it may be issue by issue with those groups on the right tried to work together but certainly it is the centre and the centre right which will control the agenda, the question being how much will they need those parties to get some of the things through over the next five years. things like green policy, green transition policy, green transition policy, migration, borders, european budget to be decided, billions of euros being put into the industrial defence strategy here in europe as well, those are all big questions, of course integration always a thorny issue for brussels as well, the impact of the shift to the right to be worked out in coming months as parties arrange themselves in the areas groupings. no question what the story is here tonight the shift to the right and a very big backward step for the greens and the centrists. christian fraser covering these issues for us in brussels. let s go live to brussels now and get reaction from james kanter a politicaljournalist who produces the podcast eu scream. the dust is starting to settle a little, give us your reaction to this result, we are expecting this dominance of the centre right and far right? there was certainly an expectation that europe would be moving at right words, and after all there are a growing number of governments that are in alliance with the far right nationally. and so in many ways the result that we saw on sunday, orsort the result that we saw on sunday, or sort of a confirmation of that. now, i mean, as your previous reporter said, it does look like the centre will hold. however, the centre will hold. however, the centre of gravity of the european parliament has most certainly moved rightward. in france we have seen the immediate reaction on the part of emmanuel macron calling for a parliamentary election there. for him in particular it was a pretty shocking result? i would, this is the big story of these european elections, president micron calling these snap elections, before the olympic games notice, seen as a huge step in a giant gamble, sort of a poker move with a very uncertain outcome. and it doesn tjust put very uncertain outcome. and it doesn t just put the future of french policy in question but to some degree european policy. france and germany as part of the duo that powers the eu, and having france with a far right, potentially in government and pulling the strings, and a significantly more right leaning european parliament, that makes some big questions facing europe even more stark. in questions facing europe even more stark- questions facing europe even more stark. in terms of ursula von der leyen more stark. in terms of ursula von der leyen into more stark. in terms of ursula von der leyen into future, - more stark. in terms of ursula von der leyen into future, is l von der leyen into future, is it likely she will be re elected as european commission president question max she is holding the cards at the moment. her max she is holding the cards at the moment. the moment. her party, the centre-right the moment. her party, the centre-right dpp the moment. her party, the centre-right dpp got - the moment. her party, the centre-right dpp got a - the moment. her party, the centre-right dpp got a very| centre right dpp got a very strong result stop she could continue this traditional grand alliance with the socialist and liberals but it is not going to be easy negotiations and there still is this open question as to whether she will ally with the greens in order to ensure a very stable majority or possibly with one of these radical right groups, probably the meps from the party of georgia moloney initially, the brothers obviously. there is a lot to play here. but it looks like ursula von der leyen will have another five year term as president of the european union. ,, , president of the european union. ,, . ., ., union. she may choose to align with the greens, union. she may choose to align with the greens, their- union. she may choose to align with the greens, their slice - union. she may choose to align with the greens, their slice of l with the greens, their slice of the pie has shrunk, and the eu has been trying to be a leader when it comes to hitting climate change targets, sustainability goals etc, but thatis sustainability goals etc, but that is likely to be watered down more is it not, going forward? down more is it not, going forward? ~ . ., ., , , forward? we have already seen it watered forward? we have already seen it watered down, forward? we have already seen it watered down, it forward? we have already seen it watered down, it is forward? we have already seen it watered down, it is almost i it watered down, it is almost certain as part of these negotiations, the question of what will happen to the so called green deal will be front and centre. and one can imagine that will be absolutely centre stage with these negotiations. centre stage with these neotiations. , ., ., negotiations. james, thanks for our negotiations. james, thanks for your analysis. negotiations. james, thanks for your analysis, good negotiations. james, thanks for your analysis, good to - negotiations. james, thanks for your analysis, good to get - negotiations. james, thanks for your analysis, good to get your| your analysis, good to get your take on the outcome of the european elections, a lot more on that in business today, we will talk to a leading economist based in brussels because the european union is a huge player in the global trade market. on the campaign trail across the uk, the parties begin setting out their manifesto promises this week. labour are pledging to create more than 3,000 nurseries based in primary schools in england to ensure there are enough childcare places. the conservatives are turning their attention to policing, promising to recruit an extra 8,000 neighbourhood police officers over the next three years if re elected. the liberal democrats are launching their manifesto later this morning. here s iain watson. cheering. the main parties are preparing to launch their manifestos this week. the whole country has been longing for and waiting for this election to come. labour s promising to provide more childcare places. now the big parties know you can t pay for policies from small change, but the labour leader wasn t keen to identify spending cuts or tax rises. instead, he insisted it was all about the economy. all of our plans are fully funded and fully costed and none of them require tax rises over and above the ones that we ve already announced. what we do need to do, just to take up the challenge that s being put to us, is we do need to grow the economy. cheering. the prime minister s keen to move on from his d day misstep. today his party wasn t talking about warfare, but welfare. they ve been looking for cash for tax cuts and claim they could save £12 billion from the benefits budget by the end of the next parliament. in my area of welfare, we ve saved £7.7 billion over measures that we ve brought in over this parliament. we cut fraud and error within the welfare system, within benefits by about 10% last year and we can go still further. the lib dems have been banging the drum for investment in the nhs to the tune of billions of pounds. they say they won t raise income tax to pay for this, but other taxes are available. we said we d increase the digital services taxes on the social media giants, the likes of amazon and google as well. so i think unlike the other parties, we ve actually already begun to show very clearly where the money for our health and care policies would come from. the snp accuse the main westminster parties of being deliberately in denial about the public finances. it s important at this election that people focus on the conspiracy of silence that is going on between the labour party and the conservative party. the tories have signed up to £18 billion worth of spending cuts, according to the institute for fiscal studies. and labour, according again to the institute of fiscal studies have not demurred from those figures. the parties manifestos will provide a political sense of direction, but they may be less clear aboutjust how rocky a road lies ahead. iain watson, bbc news. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. the us secretary of state is embarking on another tour of the middle east in an effort to boost support for a ceasefire in gaza. it s antony blinken s eighth trip to the region since the war between israel and hamas began last october. during the three day visit, which begins in egypt, he ll urge arab leaders to pressure hamas into accepting the draft peace deal unveiled at the end of last month by president biden. benny gantz, one of the most senior members of the israeli war cabinet, which was set up after the hamas attack last october, has resigned from the group. he had threatened to stand down unless he felt there was a post war plan for gaza with a deadline set for yesterday. he told reporters that he wasn t satisfied, and this is the moment he confirmed he was standing down. translation: unfortunately, netanyahu is preventing us i from approaching true victory, which is the justification for the painful, ongoing crisis. and this is why we quit the national unity government today with a heavy heart. yet we feel that it is the right decision. we are now in the midst of a campaign that will impact the fate of israel generations ahead. in order to guarantee true victory, this coming fall, when it will be the one year anniversary of this disaster, we should go for elections and reach a new government. i call on netanyahu to set a date for elections. mr netanyahu had called on mr gantz to remain in the war cabinet. after mr gantz made his announcement, mr netanyahu posted this message on the social media platform x: let s speak to dr benjamin radd political scientist at ucla s middle east centre for development. benny gantz stepping down and pulling his party from the coalition, no surprise, what was your reaction? it coalition, no surprise, what was your reaction?- was your reaction? it is telegraphed was your reaction? it is telegraphed he - was your reaction? it is telegraphed he said - was your reaction? it is telegraphed he said he| was your reaction? it 3 telegraphed he said he would do it and he expects benjamin netanyahu to offer a day after proposal what would happen once israel did manage to rout hamas from gaza, netanyahu failing to clearly articulate a vision for a post gaza reconstruction programme leaving benny gantz little choice but to leave the cabinet if that were to happen. where does this leave benjamin netanyahu? it where does this leave ben amin netanyahuvfi where does this leave ben amin netanyahu? it leave some with a cabinet of even netanyahu? it leave some with a cabinet of even more netanyahu? it leave some with a cabinet of even more members | netanyahu? it leave some with a| cabinet of even more members of parliament, ultraorthodox parties, ultranationalist parties, ultranationalist parties now, any attempt by netanyahu to forge an agreement that would leave a post, post reconstruction coalition in gaza that includes remnants of the palestinian authority or other groups the right wingers deem desirable they will threaten to dissolve the government and bring netanyahu hoedown, he is now captive to that far right flank if he wants to stay in power. now secretary wants to stay in power. now secretary of wants to stay in power. now secretary of state wants to stay in power. now secretary of state anthony l secretary of state anthony lincoln is in the region hoping to persuade hamas via other middle east leaders to sign up to president biden s plan? this to president biden s plan? this is something to president biden s plan? ti 1 is something viewers should to president biden s plan? t1i1 is something viewers should be clear on, the plan put forward by president biden which netanyahu himself had neta nyahu himself had articulated, netanyahu himself had articulated, has yet to be responded to by hamas, they have not signalled they will sign off on it as well, it was crucial if this is to move forward hamas signalled their approvalfor this. forward hamas signalled their approvalforthis. he forward hamas signalled their approvalfor this. he he cannot secure that and it is made complicated by the fact that four hostages were rescued five days ago it is unclear what the next step will be to bring about a ceasefire. in next step will be to bring about a ceasefire. in terms of the israeli about a ceasefire. in terms of the israeli position about a ceasefire. in terms of the israeli position on - the israeli position on resident biden s plan that is very unclear? resident biden s plan that is very unclear? you have had, netanyahu very unclear? you have had, netanyahu is very unclear? you have had, netanyahu is yet very unclear? you have had, netanyahu is yet to - very unclear? you have had, netanyahu is yet to formally j netanyahu is yet to formally come out and endorse the plan, however it matches with what he himself had put forward, the understanding is it is consistent with the netanyahu vision but however with the departure of benny gantz and the rescue of the four hostages, that becomes a bit more complicated because it calls into question whether other members of the netanyahu coalition on the far right would support the plan as it stands today. would support the plan as it stands today. thank you very much, stands today. thank you very much. dr stands today. thank you very much, dr benjamin stands today. thank you very much, dr benjamin radd - stands today. thank you very much, dr benjamin radd for| stands today. thank you very - much, dr benjamin radd for your time and analysis. tributes are coming in here. here is what many are saying. he was wonderful, funny and kind. that s the tribute paid by the wife of the broadcaster, michael moseley, who s been found dead on the greek island of symi, following a four day search. he went missing last wednesday in scorching temperatures while out walking on holiday. joe inwood has the latest from symi. it was here on a rocky hillside michael mosley was found. just metres from safety when he was seemingly overcome by the heat and collapsed. the people of the silent and the greek authorities have done everything they could just fight that he was not found for nearly four four days. it was on that beach that the body which has now been identified as michael mosley was found. he was found lying just at the right side of that fence you can see over there, so really close to where people would have been relaxing and playing on this popular and busy beach. we spoke to a police source, who said the body of michael mosley had been there for a number of days. it s a tragic end to a story that had begun on wednesday, when michael mosley left the beach where he d been with his wife, clare, atabout1:30pm. he was then picked up on a camera at a coffee shop here, a second one at a restaurant here, and then finally the one at the marina, before he walked out of the town, heading towards agia marina. but despite an extensive search and rescue operation involving police, fire, helicopters, dogs, even members of the public, in the end he was found by accident. it has emerged a greek television crew were filming with the mayor, and only noticed michael mosley s body in their shot when they got back to edit their pictures. translation: when we returned here in symi and the footage - was prepared to send to athens, we spotted the body of a man. we informed the mayor and the authorities were immediately mobilised with the doctors. michael mosley s death was confirmed by his wife, clare. she said. a medical team carefully moved him to a waiting coastguard vote and two roads for postmortem. there has been a sense of sadly after the disappearance and death of michael mosley. a man most had never met. imagine then the pain of those who knew and loved him. joe inwood, bbc news, on the greek island of symi. so much more on oui’ so much more on our website about the death of doctor michael mosley. spectators at a rodeo in oregon got a little too close to the action when a bull jumped over the fence during the night s finale. this is the bull called party bus circling the ring along with two riders on horseback during the musical end to the night s activities. all of a sudden, the bull decided to make a bolt forfreedom clearing the fence, running through the arena s concessions area and into the car park. he was eventually caught by wranglers who managed to get him back into a pen. organisers said three people suffered minor injuries. more then you were perhaps expecting at that event. back with the top business stories next, including swift own onyx, you knew? you will soon, i will see in a moment swiftonomics. hello there. weather for the week ahead is perhaps not the story you want. no significant summer sunshine or warmth, i m afraid. in fact, the story in armagh on sunday really sets the scene just a high of ten degrees. we had cloudy skies with light rain or drizzle with a cool northerly wind as well. now, that rain is sinking its way steadily southwards and it will clear away from eastern england and south east england during monday morning. behind it, this northerly wind and this cooler air source starts to kick in across the country. so a rash of showers, a cold, brisk wind driving those showers in off exposed coasts and drifting their way steadily south across scotland and northern ireland as we go through the morning. here s our cloud and rain still lingering across east yorkshire, lincolnshire first thing in the morning, some heavier bursts that will ease away. best of any brighter skies, perhaps across southern england down to the south west. here, showers should be few and further between. but nevertheless, that wind direction still really digging in right across the country. so sunny spells, scattered showers, a brisk northwesterly wind for many, so temperatures just below par really for this time of year, a maximum of 10 15 degrees for most. we might see highs of 17 or 18 if we get some sunshine across south west england and wales. now, as we move out of monday into tuesday, the low pressure drifts off to scandinavia, high pressure builds. it should start to kill off some of the showers out to the west. but with those clearing skies, well, those temperatures will be below path through the night as well, low single figures for some, quite a chilly start to our tuesday morning. hopefully some sunshine around on tuesday. there will continue to be some showers, most frequent ones running down through central and eastern scotland and england. further west, some brighter skies and once again, highs of 17 degrees, but for many, just a maximum of 10 15 once again. moving out of tuesday into wednesday, winds will fall lighter still for a time, but there s another low pushing in and that will bring some wetter weather to close out the end of the working week. it will gradually start to change the wind direction. so, after a drier day on wednesday, it will turn that little bit milder, but also wetter as we head into the weekend. far right parties put pressure on the centreground as results roll in on europe s parliamentary elections. what does that mean for economic policy? we get an expert view. translation: our reputation in the world has translation: our reputation in the world has never translation: our reputation in the world has never been - translation: our reputation in the world has never been as - translation: our reputation in the world has never been as bad j the world has never been as bad as it is now. economically speaking, we are on the way to becoming a developing country. that s the head of germany s stock exchange who provokes politicians with sharp criticism about the performance of europe s biggest economy. following the death of nollywood starjunior pope, we have a special report from lagos on the safety of the nollywood film industry. and we ll be exploring the rise of swiftonomics as the billionaire pop star s eras tour gets underway in scotland. welcome to business today. i m sally bundock. more now on the results in europe as the bloc s parliamentary elections come to a close. as you ve been hearing, we ve seen a surge on the right across the region. we ve seen a surge to the right across the region. in france, the strong showing for marine le pen s national rally triggering a snap election in france called late yesterday by president emmanuel macron. the outcome of these elections are of significance because the politicians in the european parliament will be agreeing on the bloc s budget and economic policies and its position on trade. the european union is the world s largest trading bloc
and of course, he s trying to become president of america again and the other is about the business models of news, because they are under ever more pressure. and when it comes to the business model, we are also looking at al and journalism, because several news organisations have done recent deals with the big tech firms. so that is all coming up. on this week s programme, we re going to hearfrom andrew neil, who has a brand new show on times radio. he s also the chairman of the spectator group. and we rejoined by caroline waterston, the relatively new editor in chief of the daily mirror. yeah, we ve also got two guests coming out of the states one, katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent at business insider. but the first person we spoke to isjeffrey goldberg, who is editor in chief of the atlantic. and we started off by asking him just to sum up what the atlantic is. how is that even possible? on the rare. just in case people don t know, it s a 167 year old magazine founded in boston. 18. 1850s, before the civil war. politics, culture, literature, remains committed to those coverage areas today. but we try to explain america to itself to some degree. i think that s one of our purposes. we have a monthly magazine with a large subscriber base. we have a million subscribers, including digital subscribers. we reach a pretty wide array of people across the us and other parts of the english speaking world. and i think i m right in saying you re privately owned by emerson collective, which is an organisation set up by laurene powelljobs, widow of the apple founder steve jo bs. just explain to us how that works. yeah. laurene and emerson collective bought the atlantic seven years ago. it works, knock on wood, wonderfully well. she s a great owner. we have complete editorial independence. she s very supportive of the mission, as is the whole organisation. we re a for profit organisation, although emerson collective has a for profit and a not for profit, separate wings. we are profitable on our own, which is a good thing and fairly rare these days. i m just thinking about. i ve been thinking about the washington post a lot of the last couple of days. well, we definitely want to ask you about some of the announcements at the washington post. and we want to ask you about your route to profitability, because that was one of the reasons we were so interested to have you on the programme. before we get into the details of what you ve done at the atlantic, i just, with katie s help as well, and a guest who sjoining us, want to put what the atlantic is trying to do and what all publications in the news arena are trying to do in some context. yes, because katie notopoulos is from business insider, and ijust thought it d be useful if she just gave us a recap on the structural problems facing the industry. because, katie, you know, as has already been mentioned, much of this comes back to advertising, doesn t it? right. so one of the biggest problems isjust that| digital advertising, - which was what supported journalism for many decades or centuries, has sort- of dried up. facebook and google are very effective at being digital- advertisers, and they ve just sucked up a lot of the ad - dollars out there. so if you re a brand i like pepsi, it s easier to put your dollars somewhere else than to run an ad - in a publication. and that has really affected . the industry across the board. and you obviously. there s a lot of other| factors going on, just the rise of digital, - and therefore print is not as popular as it used to be. but i think. you know, there are some bright i spots, and there s reason to be i hopeful about the state - ofjournalism and being able to sustain media businesses. katie, thank you. jeffrey goldberg from the atlantic, let s bring you back in. you launched your online paywall in 2019. tell us about that decision and what s happened since. yeah, well, it turned out to be excellent timing, because the pandemic hit the next year and advertising bottomed out. we re holding our own on advertising. we have good people doing it. and, you know, it s not going to be the primary source of revenue for this company going into the future. we ve switched, actually, since 2019. we re now majority. you know, the bulk of our revenue comes from subscriptions, the consumer business, not advertising, but advertising is still an important part. but we launched this paywall. i mean, obviously, we re a print. we ve been a print magazine since the 1850s. we ve had long experience of being a subscription based organisation. when we entered the internet in a big way in the mid 90s, late 90s, obviously programmatic ad revenue, other forms of advertising, became huge for us. but we finally decided, the company finally decided in 2019 to launch a paywall for a digital product. and thank god we did, because a combination of pandemic news and trump news really accelerated our growth in the next couple of years. and that brought us, we just crossed a million subscribers total. half of those. roughly half of those subscribers are print and digital and half roughly half are digital only. all news organisations are diversifying the type of content that they re making. i wonder, aside from the trademark atlantic long articles which many people will know, what else you offer digital subscribers? well, we have a daily report. you know, we re not building a second newsroom, or a third newsroom in the washington post case, for tiktok videos or whatever it is that they re doing. you don t sound overly impressed, jeffrey. no, i m just feeling generally dyspeptic today. so you re just getting. just getting a general vibe. hopefully, that s nothing to do with you coming on the media show! god, no. glad to hear it. just checking. this is the only meeting i m looking forward to today. sorry, we interrupted you. no, no, no. it s ok. i d rather make jokes than talk about the business ofjournalism. i think that. so when i started as editor eight years ago, you know, all i wanted to do, and i have, you know, laurene s100% backing on this, make highest qualityjournalism, because highest quality journalism is the only thing that people will pay for. you know, if we had put all of our eggs in the programmatic ad revenue basket, we d be in bad shape, and so on. and so i think doubling down on what you do best, and doubling down on making a unique. unique stories that people will actually pay you for to read is the way to go. and so we have a much more. you know, obviously, 30 years ago, before the internet, the atlantic came out, it was a, you know, more leisurely paced thing. today, we publish every day. we publish, you know, every hour in busy times. but we re still trying to maintain that level of quality and differentiation so that we can convince readers to become subscribers. i m going to pause you there, sorry, just to bring in andrew neil, because some of this with your spectator hat on must be sounding quite familiar. jeffrey s talking about a million subscribers. how. you re a subscription model as well? we are a subscription model. the spectator has about 100,000 subscribers in the uk, 20,000 in america, because we just launched there, and about 12,000 in australia. if you get the business model right, the digital age can be a golden age forjournalism and publications like atlantic monthly and the spectator. but you need to get it right, and you need to realise that the old business models will bankrupt you. so when i took over the spectator in 2005, 65% of our revenues came from advertising. today, it s less than 10%. advertising is only our third biggest revenue stream. we ve had to seek new revenue streams. we put a very tough paywall up about 12, 14 years ago. 80% of our revenues now come from subscription. and it s a wonderful business model, because subscription revenues are predictable. i know within 5% plus or minus what s coming in this year, because i know the renewal rate, i know what the marketing will produce, and it s not subject to the economic cycle, unlike advertising, which is highly unpredictable. so you get that right and you re a golden age. the poster child of all this, of course, is the new york times, which now has nine million subscribers, more foreign correspondents than it s ever had in its history. and they got in early, didn t they? that was part of it. they got in early, as some of us did too. the times and the sunday times in this country are now highly profitable on the subscription model. and then you need to look, in addition to subscription revenue, for other streams of revenue, streams that you would never have thought of before. so, for example, of course, you still take some advertising. you take very little programmatic. because here s the problem if you re a subscription model, you re providing a premium website, and you don t want your website punctuated by endless ads for things that you have no control over. so you really need to control that. and you re talking about digital dimes in terms of programmatic, but instead, you do newsletters, you do podcasts, you have spectator tv and other ventures like that. and above all, our second biggest stream of revenue events. we do events that expand the brand and bring in a ton of money. 0k, caroline waterston, i want to bring you in because this presumably isn t sounding very familiar to you because it isn t something that you re doing at the mirror. have you ever thought about subscription? have you ever thought about a paywall? it s not on the mirror s agenda. i mean, certainly from my point of view and from the mirror s point of view, you know, i believe that our content should be available to a wide community and not just those that can afford it. you know, we are a news brand. i want to ensure that everyone has access to our content, and certainly it s not on our agenda. but what does that mean financially? you re taking a hit. do you believe. ? imean, are.? are you essentially of the belief that a paywall is this too dramatic, a paywall is a threat to democracy? is that how you see it? no, it s just not on our agenda at the moment. that s because it doesn t work. we talked. well. for red top tabloids, it doesn t work. the sun tried it and had to abandon it. you know, it s different with atlantic, spectator, times, sunday times, financial times. people are willing to pay. ..new york times. people are willing to pay for that kind ofjournalism. the problem with what we used to call the red top tabloids is that people won t pay for it digitally. of course, in the old days, they paid for it by putting their money down to buy the paper. but it seems that a lot of that kind of content, they think they can already get almost for free on the net. so they re not. it s a. of allthe. you know, all of our industry from the top to the bottom has had to withgo digital waves of change. the toughest part of the market to get right is the red top tabloid part of the market, because the subscription model doesn t work. caroline? yeah. and, look, good quality journalism is exactly what we want to do. but good quality journalism shouldn tjust be available to those that can afford to pay it. so, yes, we are an ad model. ads help fund. ..our journalism. and certainly. that s where we are at the moment. in terms of the experience of the user, the digital user of yourjournalism, do you have any concerns that the proliferation of adverts, which you need in order to fund the work you re doing, lessens the experience? look, it s something i think about every day, but, you know, ads are a part of life, and certainly from the mirror s point of view, we have to produce good quality journalism, and ads help us do that. 0k. let s bring you back in, jeffrey goldberg, because what about your experience in the us, particularly relating to donald trump, who we know back in 2016 drove huge levels of news and news related content consumption? are you seeing the same thing this time around? 2016 and 2020. i wouldn t say. well, first of all, we have a much tougher paywall, so that limits the sort of explosive numbers that you would have seen 2020, 2016, in particular. i think there s also fatigue. you know, these are. these are characters in now what would be called a long running drama, right? trump and biden as well. i think there is some fatigue with it. all that being said, yeah, there s. there s obviously an unusual election taking place. i m trying to use the most anodyne words possible. there s a consequential election taking place and people are. our kind of reader in particular is going to be very engaged in it. but, you know and i think this is a lesson from the washington post in a way you can tjust assume that political news will continually spike for you. i mean, you have to do the thing that s the right thing to do for your publication. it s mission first. and if you forget that, you re going to lose your subscribers eventually anyway. butl. we re not going to see the same crazy numbers that we saw in the past. but obviously, this is not a normal election. and trump does draw an extraordinary amount of attention. i want to ask you further about trump, but you ve alluded to the washington post a couple of times. we should say that on monday, sally buzbee, we heard, was leaving her role as the washington post s executive editor, to be replaced by robert winnett from the daily telegraph. and will lewis, who s the ceo of the washington post, said, we are losing large amounts of money. your audience. this is to staff. your audience has halved in recent years. people are not reading your stuff. i can t sugar coat it any more. so the washington post is looking to change its strategy. but coming back more broadly to donald trump, this is a question we ve asked a number of times on the media show over the years, but it doesn t make it any less pressing. you ve called the election consequential and unusual i m sure there are other words you would use, too. how do you, as the editor of a hugely consequential magazine and publication in the us, approach the challenge of covering donald trump? and i m interested to ask andrew and caroline the same question afterwards. you know, we. we had this problem in 2016, where we were trying to. you know, we were following the old rules, you know, to some degree, which is. and the old rules were the old rules of coverage, what people would call both sider ism. the old rules worked.when you had candidates who operated within certain lanes, lanes of self restraint, lanes of adherence to democratic norms, when candidates felt shame and repositioned themselves based on feedback, regarding the things that they do. you know, the most important thing for me, and, you know, we try to get it right, and a lot of other people are trying to get it right, and a lot of people are trying to catch up the most important thing is that we describe things plainly. right? not euphemise, because donald trump s behaviour is so novel i mean, it s not novel any more, but it s still novel historically and that. you know, and that we don t become. and this is what i m always encouraging our staff about. we don t normalise to this. our own, you know. oh, well, trumpjust said that, you know, the north korean dictator s head is made of cheese. oh, who cares? he always says stuff like that. no, and we have to do it every. we have to report the oddness, whenever it erupts, and that. by the way, this means. we re notjoining the resistance. we neverjoined the resistance, which means we also questionjoe biden s capacities, for instance. that s how you re approaching it at the atlantic. i wonderfor the daily mirror here in the uk, caroline, how do you.? do you approach donald trump like any other politician? or are there particular things you tell your colleagues look, we have to be careful here ? look, trump is an interesting character, but at the weekend, you ll hopefully have seen we actually had the world exclusive of stormy daniels, post everything that happened last week. and, you know, the content that comes out of trump in his everyday life and how he acts, i mean, it creates brilliant, brilliant content for our audience. that s honest. yeah. andrew, let me bring you in here now, because we have senior british executives at the wall streetjournal, the washington post, cnn and bloomberg news. what do you make of this exodus of senior british editors in the direction of the us? bbc too. mark thompson. mark thompson, former bbc. ..is at cnn and was at the new york times. of course, we always put ourselves down, but british journalism is vibrant and dynamic and hugely successful. and we know how to write and we know how to write concisely. well, not for the first time on the media show, we ve been talking about artificial intelligence, and the item that we re going to see now is all about search results that are being produced by new ai products. yeah, this is quite a fun one because google has got a new search called ai overview, a search product, and it is coming up in some cases with some pretty crazy results. and i started by asking katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent of business insider, tojust explain how it all works. so it s not on every single search, it s only on certain searches, typically ones that are sort of asking a specific question versus, you know, searching somebody s name or something like that. and it basically gives you a little bit of. maybe a couple sentences, a little paragraph, maybe a few bullet points that essentially answers your question. and this is probably very useful for most searches most of the time. but it was initially sort of riddled with laughable errors. i mean, one of the things that i do know that you did this really is dedication to yourjob you made a pizza with glue and ate it. just explain why you did that. slightly gimmicky. i m assuming it was for a piece. it was. piece of pizza! americanjournalists are ready. all in the line of duty. ..to undertake these big challenges. laughter. yeah, some people have to cover donald trump s trial. some people have to eat pizza with glue on it. right. basically sounds like i the same thing, really. exactly. laughter. one of the sort of silly answer that was going most viral on social media was someone had asked, how do i get the glued cheese to not slide off my pizza? and google suggested, you know, let the pizza cool for a while. and then it also said, add one eighth of a cup of glue to the sauce. so you re the only person in america who did it. ..it had sourced that little piece of information from a reddit comment that had suggested that obviously as a joke. and everyone on reddit at the time, when they were reading it, could understand in context that the person was making a joke that to keep the cheese from sliding off your pizza, you should add glue to the sauce. google sort of couldn t understand that this was satire, that it was a joke. so, not great. i mean, ijust should bring in. well, google have said about this, because they ve told the bbc, these were isolated examples, generally very uncommon queries, and they aren t representative of most people s experiences, and that the vast majority, it says, of ai overviews provide high quality information with links to dig deeper on the web. and it said it s taken action where policy violations were identified and it was using them to refine its systems. just in the last couple of minutes of the programme, let me ask a further question about al, and it comes down to when big organisations that have content, like the atlantic or the spectator or the mirror, decide whether or not to share all of that content with the big language models that are training generative ai. and jeffrey at the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, you ve cut a deal with openai. tell us about the discussions within the atlantic, whether you were weighing up whether to do that or not. well, ijust have to be technically clear about something. the editorial team has independence from the business side of this operation, but the business side has independence from the editorial side. and this was a decision made by the corporation and by our business leadership to do this. and so.i was certainly told about it, and i was.invited to share my views on it, but, you know, i. what are your views on it? well, i have my ambivalence about it. i mean, i don t want to. i forget who was saying this before, but, you know, the internet has turns out been great for a place like the atlantic. we reach many, many more people than we used to because of the internet. i don t want to be, you know, sort of axiomatically luddite about this sort of thing and say, ai is only a threat, but i have my deep ambivalences about.ai and what it s going to do tojournalism and also, by the way, humanity and the future of our planet. all that being said, ai is coming whether or not i want it to come. and it s a little bit like, to me, complaining about the weather. the weather doesn t care that i don t like it. so i ve got to dress for the weather, and dressing for the weather in this case means trying to figure out a way to have a relationship with openai in which openai doesn t eat you for lunch. let me just ask quickly caroline and andrew very quickly, if you would. caroline, how s the daily mirror viewing the idea of sharing its content with these ai, these big ai operators? we wouldn t. we wouldn t want to. you re not planning to do that yet? no, we re not- planning to do that. and the spectator? we won t do that until we know a lot more about it. if it s another potential stream of revenue that doesn t carry risks, that s one thing. but we need to know a lot more. for me, the al s biggest opportunity is on the commercial side. i think a lot of the ai can help us run the company commercially much better. we can learn more about our readers, about usage of the app, usage of the website. all that sort of thing is fine, but forthe moment, i ll keep editorial separate. and i lljust add, the new york times is taking a very different approach to this. it s not collaborating with openai. in fact, it s suing for the theft of its content. so we re going to watch how that plays out. and i was at the enders deloitte media conference yesterday, where anna bateson, who runs the guardian, said they would do a deal with an ai company, but only on the right terms. so there you go. well. something to end on, because that is all we have time for, i m afraid. thank you so much to katie notopoulos from business insider and, of course, andrew neil from times radio, but also the spectator. and caroline waterston, editor in chief of the mirror, and jeffrey goldberg, editor in chief of the atlantic. well, thanks very much indeed to all of our guests. fascinating to hear their perspectives on all those issues. i suspect it won t be the last time we turn to ai, to business models of news, to covering donald trump, but it was very interesting to hear from all of them. i think you re right. thank you so much to everybody. that was the media show. we ll be back at the same time next week. bye. bye bye. and if you d like to hear a longer version of today s show, search bbc the media show wherever you get your bbc podcasts. hello there. it s been a pretty decent start to the weekend. there was a good deal of sunshine around across most of the country. a bit of cloud here and there, a few showers, mostly in the north. part two of the weekend doesn t look quite as good. it will start sunny, quite chilly. but we ve got a couple of weather fronts pushing down from the northwest that will increase cloud through the day, with some splashes of rain. now, we ve got this weather front approaching the northwest of the country to move through this evening. showers merging together to produce longer spells of rain for the north and west of scotland. so unsettled, breezy, showery in the north, turning cloudier for northern ireland, but clearer skies for large parts of england and wales, with lighter winds here. so it will turn chilly for most. single digits, i think, for the majority of the country. but with more cloud across northern ireland, we will fall to around 10 degrees in belfast. so sunday, then, we ve got low pressure still towards the norwegian sea there, bringing northern westerly winds into the country. we start off with quite a bit of sunshine. scotland, england and wales, cloudy skies for northern ireland, southwest scotland, in towards north west england, north wales. and that cloud, with splashes of rain, will spill south eastwards through the day. so it will turn cloudy across much of england and wales, probably the best of the sunshine across the far southwest, and the northern half of scotland doing pretty well, with sunny spells. but there will be blustery showers here and a cooler day to come, i think, because of more cloud around temperatures of about 12 to 17 degrees. as we move through sunday night, that area of rain splashes across the irish sea, into much of england and wales, becomes confined to southern and eastern areas by the end of the night. so where we have the cloud and the rain, then, a less cold night here, 10 to 12 degrees under clearer skies. further north, it will turn chilly. we start to pick up a northerly wind as we move into monday. that rain slowly clears away from the south and east. it may take a while to clear the east of england. eventually, it will do. then it s a bright day for most, sunshine and showers. most of these across the northern half of scotland, where they will be quite blustery and a chilly northerly wind at that. temperatures, 10 to 14 degrees in the north, 15 to 17 further south, giving some sunny spells. and we hold on to this chilly northerly wind through tuesday, even into wednesday as well. before low pressure starts to move in from the southwest, that ll cut off the chilly northerly and temperatures will slowly recover towards the end of the week. but it s going to be a fairly unsettled and a cool week to come, with a little bit of sunshine here and there. live from washington this is bbc news. four israeli hostages abducted last october are reunited with their families after israeli forces free them from captivity in gaza. , says 200 palestinians were killed in that raid by the idf. two hospital say they have counted scores of bodies. we will have the latest from the uk general election campaign as the conservatives pledged tax cuts and labour promises to help small business. good to have you with us. four is really hostages taken by hamas during the october seven attacks have been reunited with theirfamilies. israeli forces in gaza killed scores of palestinians in the operation to free them. special forces raided two locations in broad daylight. one soldier was killed. thomas says that more than 200 palestinians were killed in the operation. a military is spokesman said they were under 100 palestinian casualties. a top diplomat condemned the raid and in a post on xjoseph borrell wrote that reports from gaza of another massacre room calling. we condemn this in the strongest terms, the bloodbath must end immediately. joe biden s free step plan is put forward as a way to end the killing. the us president spoke out. here is a press conference. i out. here is a press conference.- out. here is a press conference. ., ., . .,
thanks for watching fox news saturday night with jimmy failla. set your dvr to 10:00 p.m. eastern every saturday on fox news and don t forget on social media and i everybody calm down to her, hey girl. parks across america.com and listen to my radio show weekdays noon to 3:00 p.m. good night from new york city. it can be they republican, you can be a democrat, just don t be a [bleep]. there is. joey jones and charlie hurt, welcome to the big weekend show . the big boy tonight, calm, circumstance and politics for president biden in paris, biden telling the world that climate change is the only existential crisis to humanity. then claims is the son of the american revolution. what has correspondent peter doocy with the president tonight in paris. where the sun is setting what president biden is trying to say, he thinks putin could move further into alluding to the fact that a different dictator did that here in france, not that long ago. i meant france for the leadership as well. over 107 billion dollars in ukraine since the war began because you know what happened. there is a greater that can t be battled with standing armies or drones. the president said during a brief statement, it s climate change directly work together for peace and stability like good security and counterterrorism. that threat of climate change growing later working together to accelerate to net zero. only existential threat to humanity including nuclear weapons is that we do nothing on climate change. i could go on. president biden and first lady attended equity stake dinner a palace denver nuggets. tomorrow morning they will light a refund world war i memorial before jetting off to delaware. with us. thanks guys, gorgeous. what you think, existential threat of climate change is the only word? if you go with the horror movie and make climate change the only existential threat, you need to. the problem is he s making his mixing it with others like vladimir putin and. nuclear war. maybe i misread this but the way i heard him and who knows what he s saying ever but i thought he said including nuclear weapons, climate change is still the only existential threat which raises the question like thank god this guy isn t in charge of protecting the united states from auto, nuclear war. it does seem to be the same he focuses on regularly climate change in general so he s fitting it into a broader message about democracy and ukraine and the things the man was a what is important to president joe biden, climate change, he thinks it s an exit central threats to democracy it s funny, he said we know what happens if putin succeeds and he didn t say this because of where he was in the 80th anniversary don t want to talk about the campaign but media has, we know what happens of donald trump wins the election. there is this constant comparison by many on the left that trump is just like putin, i ll go further, the clinton said it hitler and that is the scare tactic they are trying to say. he must vote blue because of the don t, you will see what happens. there will be no more democracy and three branches of governm government. president biden does seem to get out there and enjoy telling a good story once in a while and me but genealogist to work with this one. one thing that s been election to my family is my middle name. allegedly i ve been told i my grandfather not going to get, maybe someone could help me, i am a son of the american revolution because he came over with lafayette and never went home. stayed in the united states it makes me a son of the american revolution the middle of the story, the french pronunciations he worked in, i love it. what you think, are you a son of the american revolution? i am a son of a penal colony so my ancestors were indebted came in for hard labor. [laughter] he pronounced his own name two different ways that. i can t get over that, is it robin a, robinette he s inferring whoever that is, was french so he s been irish, he s been italian, he s been mexican and puerto rican, he s been some version of african-american and now french. he is the baskin-robbins of presidents, we love him. [laughter] this is not something we should even concern ourselves with. it s not what you hope they can, is just no concern, he s lied his way all the way to the top of our government we obviously as a voting demographic except these lies. we let someone you play dress and lie about important things like how his family was killed in a car wreck and let him lie about his son and everything. let him lie about being french, do you want to be french? i want to be french. fine, go ahead at least get the right country though. i was impressed he dropped the french pronunciation in french, that s a step in the right direction. i think it was coincidental. [laughter] he corrected himself a few moments later. he touched we touched on this a few moments ago, the subject of democracy must make sure you are worried about democracy, take a listen. they understood democracy as democracy. here we prove i guess of our democracy when democracy is at risk across the world in world war ii, we defend democracy. it s never guaranteed. talk about democracy. american democracy. american democracy democracy. democracy. political calling it a wake up call to americans but it seems fear mongering may not be working. this is in newport beach, california, hundreds of trump supporters lined the streets as a former president) fundraiser. this crowd, liberal californ california [chanting] two days ago in san francisco trump raised $12 million at the silicon valley fundraiser. my house was sold out and by the way, the protesters outside, those were broke trump demonstrators. the number of people who were protesting against trump, there s maybe a couple dozen versus hundreds who are broke trump so even on the streets, a tremendous enthusiasm gap and that s what s happening in the broke san francisco, what does that tell you throw the country? so much money in politics is mind blowing and this is postconviction. it is liberal campuses. 85% of san francisco voted for president biden in 2020. i thought the number would have been higher. if you are republican in san francisco or even california for the most part, you re in witness protection. now you have, for years later, broke trump rally outside and the man who endorsed donald trump, venture capitalist, a popular podcast, he represents ingenuity and what we are seeing from the biden tc, biden d.o.j. is trying to strangle american innovation and what we do with artificial intelligence and etc. they don t like that. the law like but now that they are hosting a dinner for the president, former president and having supporters outside, it is mind blowing. there s this headline, it may mark the end of an american era. this cnn, no time since june 6, 1944 has the unshakable u.s. leadership of the west and support for international values has been so in question, democracy facing stern tests generations from far right populism. i think if you believe in i don t know what that person means but internationalist world order but if you believe in america first like donald trump thus, you believe in a strong concerned about american interests first that includes having a strong hand abroad. what it does mean is launching in two unnecessary wars or allowing unnecessary wars to happen and what we have seen president biden is supposed to be the world s greatest expert on foreign policy, we seen two wars start in the world because of his inability to govern and in america first agenda so i think it s all politics and you re right, the idea that joe biden is talking about concern for democracy is the party in america, democrats are trying to jail their primary opponent, nuts. final thoughts as we are talking about joe biden s perception of this threat to democracy. i guess, want to impeach someone twice and now convicted or found them guilty in several criminal court, more popular than they ever are, he speaks to what people are thinking at home. after january 6, trump didn t really hand them talking people casually observe politics, turned off by january 6 and have trump handled it, i can say that objectively. i was turned off, i thought it was ugly. now you fast-forward and they have this football they can run with and they spike it on third down. they don t use it, to go into this law fair and economy and foreign policy and national security are greatly more important to people then the character, no matter how you slice it, the individual who runs those policies he may believe biden is a good person, he s ruining the country. he may believe donald trump is the person we saw in the apprentice for ten years that makes comments in mexico all my god but think about where you were five years ago and that is the conversation, just can t hold? a lot of people care about kitchen table issues, that is for sure. coming up on the big weekend show [chanting] a stunning side-by-side as israel rescues hostages held by hamas since the seventh, thousands of pro- hamas protesters causing chaos steps from the white house. plus, facebook post that could throw out trumps conviction. also ahead, finished fanatical strike extremist? absurd claim about people who like to work out. welcome back to the big weekend show . for hostages held by hamas since october 7 are not home with the families and israel after baroque rescue by the idea. hours after rescue, chaos outside the white house at the hands of protesters all while the president is in france. i want to echo president macron s comments walking the rescue of hostages returning to the families. won t stop working until all hostages from home cease-fire is reached. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel the anti- israel protest in d.c. he is would here with us tonig tonight. good evening, protesters calling on president biden and his administration to stop sending bombs and military aid to israel. we are told some of the protesters here today travel as much as 16 hours ciattarelli in our nation s capital. the folks here are furious the president said israeli military operation would be a redline yet israel ignored him so protesters were read to create a human redline around the white house. joe biden, you may speak in our name but not with our consent. we charge you with genocide. it was designed to make us become quiet. protesters vandalized the statue of andrew jackson handprints suggesting the biden administration has blood on its hands. they used books raping to call for the boycott of israeli products. this was the third major pro- palestinian protest in washington over the past eight months. secret service took extra precautions with crowds expect expected. we heard free palestine and biden, biden, he will see. palestine will be free referring to the president is genocide j joe. of course president biden is in here, he is in paris. still, protesters sending a message to the president and his administration. thank you, mike. important to say in comparison of this moment on the left, pro, s supporters surrounded completely surrounding the white house with a red banner that protesters declare is there redline. they do not want the u.s. to support israel. on the right, pure joy of rescued hostages and families reunited after more than eight months. those hostages affected from the music festival. it is boggling we are even having to discuss this because it s amazing to think of these for hostages among over a hundred ducted and 120 we think are either now in custody but still in custody if they are still alive. emerging from captivity on this glorious day only to find out in washington d.c. there are protests in favor of their captors. i can t even wrap my brain around it is so insane cynical remarkable date and to see home, it s wondrous. one of the most recognizable hostages taken they and swept away from the music festival on the back of a motorcycle and one of the most torturous parts is hamas is given little information about the people that continued to hold among them, americans including : where they released video in april, a young man, american in california kidnapped had his arm blown off. miraculously survived in a forced video so remember there are still right now 100 hostages held and among them, americans. many headlines note many casualties as a result of this effort and successful rescue, a brave rescue but they were not being held, they want nothing elderly men and women and they take miraculous bravery, it wouldn t be necessary. miraculous day but there are two sides. these are not combatants held, these are innocent people at a music festival. joey, your among the few people that can imagine what this is like but israel lost a commando, portmanteau for others live. hamas only gives up one of their lives in an effort to kill people but the guy dies a hero obviously. i will take that everyday, if i die and for innocent people come home, that s why signed up for. they work but about a leader, commander so the way israeli army operates, their leader closing from what i ve read, it s a cultural thing food of the labor of going in he would never know that from these lunatics spray painting andrew jackson statue at the park. read handprints and the numbers in the headline of the washington post from the ap come from the health ministry gaza and consider the numbers because they have access to the hospitals and marks. i ll put numbers on because these facts could help inform the public debate about what is going on as many the size isra israel. sixty children killed in gaza climbed sharply, 64% of casualties after in october after the invasion and killing and in april it went down to 38%. did you see the headline in washington post and i would like to think it s a turn but maybe not. you will never find a case where israel intentionally killed innocent people. to get a heads up and they weren t about to do this. the entire tactic is to kill an object innocent people, the story and if that doesn t tell the difference in your hopeless i guess. coming up, social media, facebook post that could get trumps conviction thrown out. that s next. i still love to surf, snowboard, and, of course, skate. so, i take qunol magnesium to support my muscle and bone health. qunol s extra strength, high absorption magnesium helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol, the brand i trust. welcome back to the big weekend show . possible bombshell and follow trunk trial. the judge notified trump defense team about facebook post : one of the jurors discussed guilty verdict with the family before the jury set up. the post said my cousin is adjourned incest trump is getting convicted. thank you folks, for all your hard work. trump campaign official those books and digital it is investigating the matter. it s important to note it s not verified the person who posted this can do any of the jurors but the judge sent a letter not just trumps team but the assistant da and if the judge is a letter that this person is akin to a juror it looks the judge like he s not on top of it so where to be dealt with this? i think this might delay it might delay the sentencing because trumps team will say let s push for an investigation and the judge has to bring in jurors say this is anyone s cousin? i go back to the way it s handled by the judge and the legal person for donald trump said why did you let these men and women go home for memorial day instead of sequestering them? high-profile unprecedented case is what is going to want to talk about and they would have spoken about with friends and family so if it s true must judge merchan might have wanted to do it in the beginning. i m in line with that, it makes the judge look kind of b bad. take all the things we ve heard from jonathan turley and others on the network how this is how a normal case would go and look at objectively 130 million people in this country, billions on social media block don t know if this person is legitimate and sent a letter to both teams and it seems like he would investigate that before you notify. you would think. you have to assume the judge knows more than we do. the judge knows more than what he put in the letter again, we have no idea if there is in relation the end of the cousin really is on a jury but you have to assume he knows more of the other thing is, the problem is the judge denied everything they ve made and what i saw, i thought maybe this is the off ramp where guy gets to embarrassing him self and it s out of doing whatever crazy think he ll do that will haunt him the rest of his career because the trial has to go down as the worst thing in his career so i don t have any faith that he will recognize that. next step is sentencing and applying for an appeal and is pushed out that way, is this grounds for mistrial? do you want a mistrial, what do you want? if you watch it, we seen a number of legal and was talking about transfer appeal that could potentially happen here in the course had but when it comes to specific individual who may or may not be a cousin of roger and the precise timing of the post before the deliberations, he had a 25% chance of being right no matter what the individual posted. i can t believe there are hundreds of thousands being investigated. it s like somebody tried to stir something up, carlo how real that is, a lot of questions house taken. the judge mentioned is so it takes it up, it has to be taken seriously and republicans are concerned. it seems a lot to me. there will columnist and attack on getting jacked claiming right wing if you work out. that s next. make sure you re watching one nation that o clock eastern ti time. there s me and then there is dana white. exclusive sit down with one of the most successful people in the country, advice for you and magic of donald trump and ufc plus keepsake except welcome back to the big weekend show . they say working out builds muscle. you need to go? i wasn t expecting company. this doing my workout. two says back. you asked me to come by. one liberal columnist, working out will turn you into a right wing jerk. she writes, you caps on and more energetic and you think you are master of your own destiny high on self-righteousness and you situate others problems within your failure. this is true if you don t know them and it s just a bunch numbers. these people with ibs, imagine how much better it would be they took responsibility for their health the way you have. charlie, you work out a lot. [laughter] i do the same and have the same results to show for it. or lady, she s confused and obviously bad at the gym and were set friday. she talks how she thinks is conservative to be the master of your own destiny and the cannabis and climbed the whole thing for independence, taking control of your life because you get to choose your own destiny. how is that a bad thing? i didn t disagree with the word of that. [laughter] i m sorry if i hurt your feelings. it might be the answer for a lot of people. where is the problem here? i didn t understand. she also says in the article, fitness has a capitalist logic because there s so much money in it so nothing is ever enough it as soon as you can run a 5k, you want to run ten was competing and striving for growth even of micro human strength. you have internalized market unfortunately. you re getting on everyone s nerves, does it change your mind? the whole premises if you work out, his ethical and legal and now set another one. stop the press, could you believe somebody would live their life that way? what are we supposed to do? they re supposed to wallow in our city believe the truth is we can t survive without the government, we can t take control of ourselves and lives in destiny, supposed to taken everything offered for all the symptoms we have, not change our diet or physical health, but big pharma from that. we are supposed to buy in to the system that makes us invalid every way possible because that s what makes naturally week or choosing to be weak people about i m sorry but i don t do it. i ve had my legs blown off in afghanistan and will be in the gym everyday and it makes me a jerk [laughter] right wing joke. [laughter] why bring politics into this? she s pretty for herself. i want to yield my time, i don t have enough to say but i googled about this to see if it was something emphasis fyi story five years ago, more likely to be right wing. a cousin to the studies so it s not the most original article of work. if you are republican, prettier, more attractive than the democrat a lot of people would defend that and say us because we republicans have more money, they can spend more on what they look like. to cinderblocks workout with. by choice. he lives an alternative lifestyle and is in good shape. one last thing on wheel of fortune so where do game shows go from here? we have that next. (birds chirping) well this isn t gonna work. try this. (celebratory choir sings) this. will work. scooore! pick up score! at walmart. a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! welcome back to the big weekend show , the end of an era. sajak officially retired as the host of wheel of fortune, christina coleman more on his office from los angeles. millions of loyal viewers thank during his farewell speech something. big time has come to say goodbye and i ve always felt privileged came with responsibility to keep his daily our is a place for family. no social issues, no politics, nothing embarrassing. gradually became one of place where kids learn about us and people from other countries home and wish skills and famous concussion) neighbors and entire generations. what an honor to have played even a small part of the mexico city look or should 41 years and post a thousand episodes. every time he went to the show, he met three people from all parts of the wonderful country is that they were kind and considerate to write and talking of the family, friends and hometown. during his goodbye speech he expressed how great it was to work with dana white who cohosted the show with him 1982. i will miss our nightly closes and laughter and good nature. a very special one and i know you are all pleased to know joe be back next season ryan seacrest will post wheel of fortune from now on as for pat, he has his next gig lined up and will start a plane is in downtown duluth. he looks amazing. congrats to pat sajak and he had a nice thing to say, no politics, it s about the letters and something you can watch at the family cement pat sajak is a staple in my life, my grandmother watched the show and my mom watched the show and now about to turn 38, i ve never watched more in my life and i do now but my daughter, she s not about to going to kindergarten and in the letter show right now it s recognizing letters so it is a great thing to do with her and she loves it. got one right, he s a native veteran and a lot of people know that in my past life i would take groups of limited veterans show them around and go on site with different shows and end with the motorcycle ride so one trip i took on wheel of fortune last and they were in the middle of taping and we went in to look from the side and they stopped the taping thank you ñ-letter letters behind the. afterwards i found out they do that every time and every time, a group of veterans coming in the culture of the show, i wish him well but i will miss it a wonderful source look tough to follow macbeth is beautifully set beautifully set. the idea when you look around people s longevity and jobs, it s like eight years now and not only for a guy to do this for 41 years but do it with his partner 41 years is extraordinary. they had amazing chemistry, they really did. i said i wonder if they have an affair it was like no, never say that tv royalty it was the chemistry, relationship like brother and sister and they said an interview i did, they had one fight in 41 years. [laughter] was about whether a hotdog should catch up. she likes ketchup and mustard. speaking of, we have a clip from the 80s show hosted by chuck on fox nation. take a look. we love each other but very competitive. but no matter what happens, we will still love each other. [laughter] i wouldn t touch that with the forklift so here we go. deceptively simple around. i feel like you re not paying attention and it probably doesn t matter. [laughter] some punks sexy ladies. [laughter] doesn t stand a chance but you can see on fox nation it looks amazing. i m not into game shows, i am not a big wheel of fortune guy but i definitely will watch that for sure. shannon bream listen i love chuck, one of the og s just like the police exciting about the clip you shared that. the people in it it looks awesome. it is magnificent and is probably a suit of his. i am jealous i lived in the 80s decade but old enough to like that. the make up the apartment had a blast, for sure. they need to get me on. [laughter] fox nation s most of check in case much and now available on fox nation and stick around. big weekend flops are next. okay back to the big, it is the time for a big weekend flops these are big for what we think the biggest feels the week and i m going to go first, yes this one is pretty tough, hardly democratic town council, in wethersfield connecticut refused a thin blue line like to honor fallen to relate kind of duty. it is now been used by poison from certain other far right types of fruits and even many police department thoroughly country has indicated that i think it s a authorize or use that like to employment out of the city councilmember literally, that would was wondering do damage control for female number of female and don t remember her name is that some pretty important things and really, within blue line flight to racism and hatred in all be think about i guess what bothers me think of pride flag they flew to half mast of the american flag this one of the things were this bike has been around for hundred years enemies were going to memorialize those give their lives serving their community and if trying to hijack that, pushback and keep ownership of it and then to be it means from adobe so week pretty. it seems pretty simple okay major bill of the major discovery of essential for thousands of tons of lithium to be extracted annually from wastewater generated by tracking has been discovered a bit dirt dream difficult to refusing covenant have into the source it is further evidence, that that the whole environmentalism, green new deal, fa is a given to give more power to government and they do not actually want to solve anything because they cannot have a utopia without lithium and batteries. it is better for to get from china. [laughter] i guess right. porch pirates a doorbell camera captured footage of a thief fake amazon best posted as a delivery driver hazel packages from a home in massachusetts and so he walks up and he was dressed as a delivery driver within of the box and put them to box down on the porch and then stole the real box and porch piracy $8 billion a year theft in. there s one video pretty polls the box it blows up on him and i think everybody needs to be able to do that. go out. with dog manure. the latest bizarre food trended making the rounds of social media kcal bars smothering catch up yes and the skills here you go. and this is for you. no no no. this is a break me off moment, these are made it to be shared. that s not possible, that is not possible. the vertex, the vertex, charlie. no no no. i think the thing to do is you look awfully cancer first and then you eat the chocolate. this is an improvement on catch up. and the dozen for us and we will see you tomorrow the big we can show starts right now.
that s it for me. thanks for watching. tune in tomorrow where i am speaking with congressman jerry connelly. plus, senior adviser and spoke s person for president biden s campaign, adrienne elrod joins us to talk importance of border security to voters ahead of november s election tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. follow us on social media using the handle, at weekend capehart. listened every episode of our show as a podcast for free. scan the qr code on your screen to follow. but, keep it right here. a frightening film about a serial killer. robert barnsley: .he d say, when you re turning the blade, grit your teeth and really really show that you re enjoying it. we had talked about how would you kill somebody and get away with it. i had dark thoughts and shared them with the serial killer. it was supposed to be a movie, a frightening film about a serial killer. you grit your teeth and really show that you on bare enjoying it. but, was it really just pretend? eels get down on the ground and took out duct tape. i have never in my life felt fear like that. a rising young film director filming a murder, or actually committing one? he told me well, you liked dexter. when you take a step back you realize this is a real man who has been murdered. the script was darker than anyone knew. like holy mackerel. who are you, really? everyone was on the edge of their seat. and underground parking garage, you are watching a violent attack caught on tape. who was this? what is happening? or, did it happen at all? movies, like that one, are by design, deceptive. make-believe worlds, but have you noticed maybe it is all the technical doodads and digital cameras. some stories that claim to be true or not. anybody can manipulate reality, sometimes what they say is true is it. sometimes, fiction turns out to be fact, and then there are stories, just a few, and which fact and fiction fuse and that is where we are going tonight, a twilight zone world of illusion and deception and deceit. follow the howling wind north across a vast prairie through brief, brilliant summers and winters as frigid as any on earth to a metropolis canadians call the gateway to the north, the city whose police department stays very busy. this is detective bill clark. the city is edmonton, canada. today i got a call from a family whose son was killed in december. nothing in a career so strange as the case of a man who went missing and bill clark found himself in another world between fantasy and illusion. have you ever seen a case like this before? never in my life. when it started out, it seemed perfectly simple, a missing man, some guy just dropped out of sight, the kind of thing that tends to sort itself out once the so-called victim sobers up. i m not thinking much is going to come of this. after clark s decades of service in the city with the highest murder rate in canada, you can hardly blame them for getting a little picky. we don t usually go to missing person. unfortunately, for us to come out you ve got to be dead and it had better be criminal. if the patrolman doesn t know it s criminal, don t bother calling us. yeah, you got enough to do. which explains perhaps why some of the locals have taken to calling their city, deadmonton. our concern is, do we have a foul play. the missing person in this case is a man by the name of john altinger. 39, single, worked in the oil industry, liked to ride motorcycles. unlucky with women, yet, a wide circle of friends who are now telling the police altinger seem to have dropped off the face of the earth except the strange emails he was sending. i ve left with a woman, i m going to costa rica. one of the recipients of those old emails, his old friend, debra taichrob. i received several of them. i received six altogether, but in runs of three. the exact same message? hi there, i ve met a wonderful girl named jen. i m going to costa rica and i will keep in touch and call you when i get back after the holidays. johnny. almost formal, and away, suddenly like somebody you didn t really know was sending you an email. absolutely, and i was like that s really odd, it doesn t sound like john. it was odd, and even more so when another friend of altinger s received exactly the same message word for word and altinger s facebook status change from single to in a relationship. i think it was the following day, i was on msn messenger and johnny popped on mine, so i thought oh, he must not have left on his vacation yet, and it said johnny, his name, and then in quotations beside his name, who says i ve got a one- way ticket to heaven and i m never coming back. later that same day, debra got a call from the same friend who told her john altinger seems to be missing. it s surreal, you know. you don t expect your friends to go missing. soon, altinger s friends got together, unsure of what to do, really but before going to police, they decided to try to get into his condo, to see if they could find a clue what happened to get the guy in the break-in, actually. everything looked fine. nothing out of place, no sign of any struggle. the only things missing were his wallet, his keys and his red mazda coop, so it was as if he had gone out for a drive and could be back any minute. there were no answers to anything, like he just vanished out of thin air. except for those strange emails he had supposedly sent about falling in love and coaster rica, which to the cops, said clark, seemed perfectly reasonable. not hard to imagine that a lovestruck man might want to leave the snow and ice of edmonton behind and skip off to the tropics. the sky send these emails to his friends and we are going well, that strange, but maybe he did go to costa rica. stranger things have happened. you never know. that is how clark felt before he stepped through the looking glass. coming up, detective clark is about to follow john altinger s trail into a strange place of make-believe , and up-and- coming directors makeshift movie studio. it s a suspense thriller, actually. it s a short film. as soon as they called me on the phone, i got this weird chill. when dateline continues. with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. and i m keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i m reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine that s proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease and with either obesity or overweight. wegovy® shouldn t be used with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines. don t take wegovy® if you or your family had medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop wegovy® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis and gallbladder problems. wegovy® may cause low blood sugar in people with diabetes, especially if you take medicines to treat diabetes. tell your provider about vision problems or changes, or if you feel your heart racing while at rest. depression or thoughts of suicide may occur. call your provider right away if you have any mental changes. common side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. with wegovy®, i m losing weight, i m keeping it off. and i m lowering my cv risk. that s the power of we. check your cost and coverage before talking to your health care professional about wegovy®. you re the one that i want nexgard® combo is the only monthly topical that protects against fleas, ticks, tapeworms, and more. use with caution in cats with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. nexgard combo,. you re the one that i want .the monthly one-and-done you want. introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. 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( ) and with once-daily trelegy, it can still be beautiful. because with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open for a full 24 hours and prevents future flare-ups. trelegy also improves lung function, so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. what a wonderful world [laughing] ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful, all day and night. condominium, as you can see, looked like anything because breathing should be beautiful, but a crime scene. there were no signs of a struggle, no blood. it was like he just stepped out for a few minutes, could be back anytime. where was he? johnny s friends were convinced something awful had happened to him. so, day after day, they prodded the police; john altinger s condominium looked like anything but a crime scene. there were no signs of a struggle, no blood. it was like he just stepped out for a few minutes and could be back anytime. where was he? and johnny s friends were convinced something awful had happened to him, so day after day, they prodded the police and finally, seven days after johnny went missing, the cops agreed to open an investigation. we just started with the basics. i said with got to start out by finding out if we can find him first so let s find the car. since john altinger s email said he had taken off for costa rica, officers went to the airport to look for that red mazda. they searched every parking lot. it wasn t here. they come through airline passenger lists. he was not on any of them. johnny s friends, meanwhile, went back to the apartment for another look and found, stashed away among his important papers, his passport. they re going oh, not getting out of the country without your passport. seemed like he had to be within driving distance but what direction where? just as the police were contemplating that puzzle, one of altinger s friends came up with another email. this one, johnny had received from a woman he met online. janet was her name, the same woman with whom he had supposedly scampered off to costa rica. they had a date and were going out on the town the night he disappeared and because he had never been to her place, she sent him an email with directions on how to pick her up and out of an abundance of caution, he sent a copy of that email to a friend of his, just in case. i can t remember the last word of the email but he says if anything happens to me, you know where i m at, and you know, laugh out loud. it wasn t a phone number or an address, but there were detailed directions to her place, so the cops drove the root, and the directions led them to this neighborhood down this alley, and to this garage rented by a guy named mark twitchell. he happened to be, in the local arts community, local celebrity. he was making a name for himself in edmonton. he had recently made a low- budget sci-fi movie so they called him up, of course, and he readily agreed to come down and open the place up. when he got here, big surprise, someone had changed the lock. he could not get in, so with permission, officers broken, had a quick look around, and found nothing. just the same, with the changed walk in the weird coincidence of the email, there were things to figure out and mark twitchell was only too happy to tag along to the police station to help out however he could. the first thing i noticed is the padlock did not look familiar to me. twitchell explained he d been using the rented garage is a soundstage most recently for what they call a teaser, a short film designed to drum up publicity , buzz, with any luck, attract enough investor money to allow him to produce a full length feature movie. it s a suspense thriller, actually. a short film. okay, so yeah, suspense thriller? of course, he had a crew in and out of the place during filming, said mark. maybe one of them was up to something but it seemed unlikely, and none of them had ever asked to borrow the set for anything. so, if there was anything like that, if somebody needed to borrow the place or whatever, then they would let me know. they d let you know. they would ask, or something like that, so no, i don t know anything about that. anyway, he said, he had moved on for now to another project. i m working on a comedy right now which is actually a full feature, with a decent budget in the neighborhood of about 3 1/2 million. in the meantime, the garage comes studio was empty, so why would someone break into the place and then change the lock, he wondered. didn t make sense. i had a padlock previously but it wasn t the same one. it was silver on the outside with a black plastic dial in the center and this one was just all metal, so. so, you notice the different padlock on the door. mystifying, said mark. he had a bad feeling about this. a man disappears after telling police he was going to the very place his movie had been shooting. as soon as they called me on the phone, i get this weird chill. what about that woman john altinger had been flirting with online, the one who gave him directions to the garage, told him she would meet him there. the woman who signed her emails jen . does the name, jen, mean anything to you? no. we don t have a jen or anything like that. so, the name jen doesn t mean anything to you? you don t know an actress named jen? so, who was this mystery woman, jen? why in the world which she arranged to meet john altinger here in the very back yard garage and independent edmonton film crew was renting for use as a studio. how odd. especially since the movies producer director, mark twitchell, expressed exactly the same confusion as the police. he didn t get it, either. the dots did not connect. mark twitchell did not know johnny from adam and besides, there was no indication johnny ever made it to the garage at all. the close friends are the ones who have come to the police and they have nothing other than his emails. there was one thing, though, and it came from mark twitchell. he wondered if maybe somebody was being set up. it just doesn t sit right, so the first thing i started asking myself is, who all knows about what we do there and what our schedule looks like and stuff like that. is the disappearance staged somehow? if someone was being fooled, who was it, and why? was all this just some big stunt even a publicity stunt? detective bill clark was thoroughly engaged by now. he had spent a career listening to criminal spender stories. maybe you could figure out if this twitchell guy was trying to play the cops somehow. he pulled the recording of the interview. and i watch an interview, i listen to what the guy says but i m looking at body language, i m looking for signs of deceit. i remember coming out of their going you know, this mark twitchell guy interviewed really well. there were no signs of deception. he is free-flowing with the information. he has answered the questions logically. i don t see any looking away, nervousness, nothing. i see nothing. and then, when police looked into twitchell s production company, they encountered a perfectly legitimate company. more than that, actually. this was a promising effort to help edmonton get some national attention as a potential center of moviemaking. mark twitchell was very good at coming up attention and money from local investors. he was a very sharp, bright, young, articulate entrepreneur. exactly the kind of individual most of us are looking for. so, he checked out. hard-working local boy in the city of hard-working people. good parents, nice young wife, sweet little daughter, on his way to becoming a celebrity here in edmonton. detectives even got a look at the teaser film for twitchell s next projects, three and half million dollar buddy comedy. that is mark in the background playing the role of director even as he was the director, sort of a hall of mirrors type story, a movie about a movie about making a movie or something. fantasy and reality all mixed up somehow. just to cover the bases, police interviewed mark twitchell s crew members and they vouched for him completely. mark twitchell came off squeaky clean. his film company was respected, as was he, and bill clark and the edmonton police back at square one by the look of things. coming up, soon, this tough cop would catch a big break. we got a phone call from a detective. the detective says you won t believe it but this guy just told me he found a red mazda out there. the missing man s car turns up when dateline continues. urns up when dateline continues. -cologuard®? 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keith morrison: (voiceover) in fact, bill clark is an old-school detective, the sort that seems to exist more on the big screen than the mean streets. in fact, clark is such a throwback, the younger guys on the fourth kid him. they call him simple it s after the old hard-nosed detective on the top show, nypd blue. i still like coming to work every day. it s just part of my life. i still have the drive. i m still excited about it. in his decades on the edmonton police force, clark and scene murder take many forms, had seen the shattering effect it has on the family. you are the one the family depends on and i take that seriously. ultimately, that is in the back of your mind, that if you don t speak for the family or the dead guy, who is going to? for clark, there is no greater satisfaction than bringing in a killer. i consider myself a pitbull. you get a case and you get your teeth into it. we want to get the guy, we want to get this guy and put them away. as for the john altinger case, this wasn t even a murder, at least, not as far as anyone new yet, so clark kept himself on a tight leash . he had yet to smell blood. he must ve come to some point where you thought oh, there is definitely foul play here. no, not at all. all that they had, after all, was a missing man, johnny, who might just have driven off somewhere with her without some mystery woman named jen. certainly that would account for the fact that his red mazda coop was gone, too, but really aside from a few curious emails that might or might not make any sense, there was not much to go on, so being cops, clark and his colleagues employed standard procedure. they double back for a second look at things, like the garage johnny was apparently headed for when he vanished. we are thinking our next step logically as the garage. so, they applied for a search warrant and it was rejected. it gets turned down because we are told we have not proven there was a crime committed. so, the next step seemed simple enough. clark went to mark twitchell directly to see if he would give permission to search the garage. he goes yeah. i says i ll need you to sign a consent form. he goes no problem. they requisitioned the form, one of the detectives drove it over to mark s place to get a signature and then, the weirdest thing. i get a phone call from the detective. the detective says to me he says you won t believe it, but the guy just told me he bought a red mazda. a red mazda and didn t john altinger drive a red mazda and was in it missing? mark twitchell had not said anything about a red mazda when he came down to the police station and spoke to the detective the night before. he said he forgot. really? why would he forget i like that ? you don t want to get tunnel vision. i for homicide investigation, don t get tunnel vision so keep an open mind so i pull myself back. there is something fishy going on. clark invited twitchell to come back down to the station for a meeting at 10:30 on sunday night, and twitchell agreed. everything you do now, we are analyzing. we caught the up arrow down our scenario. the burial and up arrow for marcuse cooperative. the missing car, big down arrow. but, that s about all clark had to work with. we are just here trying to find this john fellow, john altinger. i don t know what s happened to johnny. because, once again, as the interview proceeds, the young filmmaker is the very picture of cooperation. he volunteers information, answers questions without hesitation or guile. his demeanor is expensive. even an untrained eye can see twitchell s body language is open, comfortable, and control. so, they get to the story about the red monster. he was approached, he said, a few blocks from his rented garage by an agitated man. it was the night johnny disappeared. the man seemed desperate to get rid of his car, said mark. he offered to sell it for practically nothing. he goes well, i shacked up with this really rich lady, you know, it s like a sugar mama kind of situation and she s going to take care of me and she s going to buy me a new car will we get back from a vacation regular take. and i and okay, is there like cocaine in the truck? i m trying to figure out what the catch is here. apparently, said mark, there was no catch, and nothing wrong with the car except that it had a standard transmission, which he didn t know how to drive, so he left it parked in a friend s driveway. does he live close by? yes, a couple of blocks away. is it finally a break? the detective monitoring the interview sent a patrol car to check it out and sure enough, there it was, empty, by the look of it. nothing untoward about the car. johnny is not in the car. meanwhile, bill clark left the interview room partly to regroup, but also to see how mark would act when they left him alone, and if he was rattled, he certainly didn t show it. here, he calmly placed a call to his wife. well, i tried to answer some more questions and fill them in and everything like that and it turns out that the car is, in fact, belonging to this missing guy and that it s a huge deal. that s what this whole thing is about. what in heavens name was going on? bill clark still did not have a clue. but he might in a minute, because bill clark good cop was about to become bill clark bad cop. coming up there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you are involved in the disappearance of john altinger. you might be involved, but what was fact and what was fantasy? 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i think he didn t think i was that smart. i think he thought he was smarter than me and i believe that he felt that anything he told us, he could concoct to make us believe him. and of course, there is only one proper response to that. i just let him go then taken back through it. question-and-answer, standard procedure, just nail down the details now. now i m starting to see he s not remembering specific details. let s go back to your lunch. you are at lunch. would you go for lunch? don t remember. don t know where you want for lunch? no. so now, it was early morning. they had been at it for hours. they had taken a break and let mark twitchell sit by himself and perhaps stew a bit and now had time for clark to play a different role. we done the good cop routine. now my forte, the bad cop is coming in. this is what i like. this is what i relish. there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you are involved in the disappearance of john altinger. no doubt in my mind at all. i? now i m going to start hammering him with what i know. the problem is, i know very little. but, now that was perfectly clear to mark twitchell that he was a suspect in the disappearance and maybe a murder, his easy camaraderie seemed to shrivel. his eyes glazed with something that looked like fear . was he truly innocent? or, was something else going on, something more in keeping with his role as a storyteller? why can t you give me the version of events that night? has i m scared. as the night dragged on, twitchell doubled something about reality seeming more like some sort of fantasy. but, in the face of all of detectives clark s accusations, mark twitchell never wavered. for nearly four hours, he answered clark s questions always polite, apparently helpful, did not as much as ask for a lawyer. a by the end of the night? i got nothing. my gut instinct at that time is that the sky is involved up to his neck in this but what exactly he s done, i don t know yet, but i m going to find out. finally, at daybreak, mark twitchell let clark know he d had enough. in my being charged? not yet. am i free to go? yes. and i will. okay. and then, as bill clark escorted mark twitchell out of the building and into the early morning dark, he ups the ante a little, told twitchell he was seizing his car . then he goes he almost stopped and pulled back and he goes well, i need to get something out of it and i says you re getting nothing. i m taking that car. and, it was then, as clark approached twitchell s car to take it to the impound yard, that he noticed mark s unusual license plate personalized dark jedi. coming up. i have never in my life felt fear like that. police find witnesses who saw something that seemed like a horror movie. it s like every nightmare you had as a child after watching a scary movie, every nightmare you ve ever had. all of a sudden it s right here. when dateline continues. here. when dateline continues. is no exception. it s time you had a proven choice to help restore what s yours. opzelura is the first and only fda-approved prescription treatment for nonsegmental vitiligo. proven to help repigment skin over time. restoring what s yours. it s possible with a steroid-free cream that you can apply yourself. opzelura can lower your ability to fight infections including tb or hepatitis b or c. serious lung infections, skin cancer, blood clots, and low blood cell counts occurred with opzelura. in people taking jak inhibitors, serious infections, increased risk of death, lymphoma, other cancers, and major cardiovascular events have occurred. the most common side effects were acne and itching where applied. repigmentation is possible. ask your dermatologist today about starting or refilling opzelura. pursue it. you re the one that i want nexgard® combo is the only monthly topical that protects against fleas, ticks, tapeworms, and more. use with caution in cats with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. nexgard combo,. you re the one that i want .the monthly one-and-done you want. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. diabetes can serve up a lot of questions. like what is your glucose and can you have more carbs? 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so, besides twitchell, police also focus their attention on this quiet suburban neighborhood around twitchell s rented garage studio where john altinger may have gone to see a woman he met online. they went door-to-door , had anyone seen john altinger or his car or anything suspicious? they found this couple who told a story that seemed almost lifted from a horror movie. i have never in my life felt fear like that. these two, their names are marissa and trevor, were out for an evening stroll when they stepped through the looking glass. it happened when a young man came stumbling out of this alley and collapsed in front of them. he was on the ground and it was just an instant bad feeling. he looked up and said i m being robbed. can you help me? then, as if on cue, another man. in pursuit. as i looked up the attacker almost ran into me. the attacker was wearing a dark, hooded sweatshirt and a hockey mask. it s like every nightmare you have as a child after watching a scary movie. every nightmare you ve ever had. all of a sudden, it s right here. this was no bewitching hour. it was 7:30, and early autumn sun had just begun to take on the glow of a long, northern evening. neighborhood kids were still struggling home from soccer practice. is it believable to you? yes and no, because the way that he fell, to me, looked staged. to get us to stop so they could grab us. yeah, we thought it was a set up for us. so, you did not know whether he was going to assault you or whether he was running from that guy for real. exactly. then, so trevor and marissa, the masked man retreated into the alley to this garage. that is where he stood. he stood there like he was protecting something. i was like, i m getting out of here right now. trevor and marissa left the man on the ground pleading for help like some seasoned method actor and left. when i got home, they called the police, so squad cars prowled the streets as the autumn wind light angled toward the horizon but in that quiet, nothing seemed out of place. nothing amiss. that was that until weeks later when police came back here looking for john altinger . was the guy in the alley actually johnny, not an actor, was he a real victim? one of the detectives went downtown to check on the report taken from trevor and marissa, and it didn t fit. that call was taken a week before johnny disappeared. besides, no victim ever came forward. no one claimed to have been attacked by a masked man. the whole thing sounded almost like , well, like a scene from the movie. coming up, or just maybe, a tv show about a serial killer. what attracted you to director? what i loved about the show in the books is how he was able to explore that darkside, rationalize that it s okay to kill somebody because this person deserves it in a way. and dateline continues. y. and dateline continues. but this is my story. 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which, said barnsley, was exactly what director twitchell seemed to want. there s a point where i had to stab the dummy through the chest with a samurai sword and he was sitting behind the chair he d be leaning in and say okay listen, when you re turning the blade, grit your teeth and really show that you re enjoying it. wait a minute, was this all about enjoying some fantasy game, pretending to be evil? detectives surfed around twitchell s computer account and discovered a facebook relationship that was all about pretending. at about the time he started filming house of cards, twitchell befriended an animal trainer and aspiring filmmaker, a woman named renee wary. and edmonton detective flew all the way to cleveland to question her, where she, right up front about it, told him about clicking on an intriguing facebook profile, dexter morgan. there was a picture of michael c hall, the actor who portrays dexter morgan on showtime. did you think you are friending the actor himself? sure, you know. what attracted you to dexter? what i love about the show in the books is how he was able to explore that darkside and rationalize that it s okay to kill somebody because this person deserved it, in a way. we flirted back and forth and i kept asking him who are you really, tell me who you are because i want to see the man behind the mask. finally, rene s facebook friend relented. no, he was not actor michael c hall, he admitted. his name was mark twitchell. once he told me who he was, i checked them out, you know. i did a lot of research online and found out that he was legitimate and he was up-and- coming. for rene, the would-be filmmaker, this seemed like her big break. he expressed interest in me and my writing styles and my ideas. what did he like about your writing style? you never said specifically. he just said i think we have, you know, like chemistry together and how we would be able to work very well together , and that we thought a lot alike. this had to be pretty exciting. yes. soon, she was intoxicated by this online collaboration and then wonder of wonders, he offered her work on his next project, the feature-length version of his short film, a film, he told her, about a serial killer. we had talked about our hypotheticals about how to kill somebody and get away with it. he told me well, you do it like dexter because dexter shows you how to do it all the time. dark? yes, but all in fun, of course, like twitchell s playful advice on eliminating, and dexter -like fashion, one of rene s rival in romance. with both her hands wrapped in duct tape, free one arm and slit the wrist. a hunters game processing kit comes with everything you need to cut the body into nice, manageable pieces. disturbing? yes but remember, all pretense. but then, a couple of weeks later, and this is what she told the police, something happened, strange and unsettling. there was a weekend-long pause in their play talk about dexter the darkside. not a single email from her friend, mark twitchell. then, when they came in with it, an apology that also had something else keeping me busy, he wrote. i m really concerned about telling anyone because of the implications. suffice it to say i crossed the line on friday. and, i liked it. crossed the line? what did that mean? coming up. was this all part of an elaborate hoax? a staged fantasy were something truly terrifying, when dateline continues. truly terrifying, when dateline continues. 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2008, weeks after his wife kicked him out and cops began tailing him everywhere, he decided to be ironman. built the costume in his parents garage. but, on the very witchy afternoon, hours from his planned grand entrance to a gala halloween party, as he was walking to a local coffee house to meet with potential movie investors, he was thrown to the ground by men wearing their own unique costumes. members of the s.w.a.t. team. mark twitchell was handcuffed and charged with the murder of johnny altinger. that made big headlines. police even held a press conference to announce the arrest. the reporters who had gathered were left with one juicy tidbit. we have a lot of information that he idolizes dexter. we went to his facebook page. steve was a crime reporter for the edmonton journal. he had a post that said mark twitchell is too much in common with dexter morgan and the idea that there s a man out there who is attacking strangers, innocent victims, it s almost myth. something built up by hollywood. it didn t seem like it could be real. in edmonton, the question began to circulate. had the cops been played by a clever promoter? mark twitchell is known as a prankster. people thought it was a hoax. you almost wonder whether or not he was doing it as a publicity stunt. exactly. so maybe, bill clark and the rest of the police force would wind up with red faces and not just from the cold. except, there was one little bit of news police did not announce. when they searched twitchell s car, they found a laptop and on the hard drive at that laptop, very smart detective found a deleted temporary file. a document about 40 pages long. could be described as a diary, maybe a far-fetched novel right treatment for a dexter episode. it was called sk confessions. it was a first person account written from the perspective and aspiring serial killer. i remember reading this the first day when they brought it down and i said holy mackerel, this tells us everything. except he s a professional storyteller who tells, you know, movies. they are not real. weren t you afraid you might be about to be drawn into a rabbit hole? something that might be true or not be true, it might be f&s e- absolutely. we had huge discussions about this. it read more like a work of fiction. like a story that could not possibly be true. it seems like a hoax right from the opening paragraph. this is the story of my progression into becoming a serial killer. i don t remember the exact place and time it was i decided to be a serial killer, but i remember the sensation that hit me. it was a rush of pure euphoria. there was something about exploring my dark side the greatly appealed to me. the author seemed inspired by the tv show dexter. i m a huge fan of the showtime series dexter, as you may have guessed, if you re at all familiar with the show. and a particular scene played an important role. i watched an episode of dexter where the flashback showed his father showing dexter a scan of the human brain. he identify the difference between a serial killer sprain in a normal person s brain. i was convinced that what i was was my own decision, my own path, but now i truly wondered if i had little choice at all. of genetics play a bigger role than i thought. i knew i was a psychopath further than he sociopaths because i had the perfect upbringing and no history of abuse, violence, or trauma. in sk professions, it s graphic. how the killer dispatches victims with a mental mental pipe. i thrusted in his gut. his reaction was pure hollywood. the lurch forward with the grant was dead on tv movie of the week. the little i knew at the time and the things i found, thought it was true. cops can have hunches and think what they want, but this hunches really hold up in court. sk confessions could be a make- believe story, might not be written by twitchell. it could ve been downloaded from the internet . investigators started going through sk confessions line by line, to see if they could sort out fact from fiction. and, indeed, police found details that lined up with reality. the writer in his first person account tells the reader how he used a processing kit to dismember the victim s body and police found a processing kit in twitchell s garage. the killers said he tried to burn the victim s body in an oil drum and his parents backyard. at twitchell s parents backyard, they found a burned ring on the back lawn. there was a detail about the killer getting a speeding ticket and so did twitchell about the time that johnny altinger disappeared. he joked about it about how this dumb cop didn t realize he had just killed a guy. he was now going out to celebrate and have sex with his girlfriend. the cop remembered up. it came back and we know the conversation. it was basically word for word that story told us. exactly what the sheriff told us. there was a key part of the story that could not be verified. a passage that goes on for pages about an earlier attack, but that victim got away. that part of the story read like that directly from the house of cards grip where the victim is tasered by man wearing a hockey mask and hood. it s a big part to prove it s true or not. it was a huge part. if someone had been attacked that way, you would ve heard of it. exactly. we got nothing. no call. nothing that even matches the similarity. is seem to be one part of the story that didn t make sense. they went public and released a photo of the hockey mask. that what week somebody s memory that that was me. it was a longshot, really. maybe that person did not exist. they put it out there. they waited. not for long. because, that very evening, a lonely casino security officer named gilles tetreault was puttering on his computer and saw the newspaper article online. the police appeal. they felt the blood drain from his face. that person was him. i am like, oh my god. it s the same hockey mask as i saw, that the guy was wearing. i started reading the story. oh, my god, 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she fell out of love with me, i guess. that s not easy. when he came across that lovely, intelligent woman on an online dating site and she seemed to like him? well, who could resist. she looked beautiful in her profile. i believe i made the first contact. what did she say about herself? she said she was new in town and looking to meet people. i found it a coincidence. so was i kind of thing. with a view alone and looking to meet someone. i thought this is perfect. sheena was her name. she said how about dinner and a movie. she started making excuses that i couldn t pick her up at her front door. so has stayed asked him to park in an alley and comes right back entrance, through a detached garage. she would leave the garage door open and i would go through the garage to the other side, get into the yard and knock on the back door to pick her up. i didn t have to crawl under it. i just had to squat. hopeful, unsuspecting, he walked through the garage door, the store, that leads to the back patio. i touched the not and all of a sudden somebody attacked me from behind. i turned back to look to see what s going on. that is when, all of a sudden, i see this man wearing this black and gold hockey mask. this guy was much bigger than me. prodding me with a stun gun. at first gilles couldn t tell what it was this stinging at the back of his neck. but listen to this from sk confessions? pressing the baton across the back of his neck, pulled the trigger. shocked and jump but did little more than merely alert him to what was going on. i tried to make a run for it. that s when he pulled out a gun. what is that like when somebody pulls a gun on you? terrified. i didn t know what to do. oh, my god, i think i m going to die and i cannot get away. there is no way i can escape a bullet. i felt a sick feeling. i pointed it at him and all of a sudden he took me seriously. his eyes wide. then he yells, get down on the ground. put your face down and close your eyes and put your hands in the back. he took out duct tape. he ripped off a piece. that s when he covered my eyes with them. just about then, gilles tetreault decided hits come to the moment of his death. i started tearing up. it was like life flashed before my eyes. it was quite emotional. oh, my god. my family is never going to see me again. i never told anyone where i was going that day. all of a sudden, by my legs, i hear his belt jiggling. what gilles heard was the sound of handcuffs as they neared his wrists. he said he felt the attacker was undoing his belt. i thought, he is going to rape may. i better fight for my life. i would rather die my way than his way. i knew he s going to pull the gun out again. you know what? 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clark confronted twitchell with the evidence hoping he would confess. this reminds me of dexter. kill room. clean sweep. you were referring to your garages a kill room. your garage was a kill room. the table is the killed table. it s where you carved him up. i will show you that later but all the blood seeps underneath. the dude dna matching. when i say the show dexter, and you ve seen the show. it s all modeled after dexter. you know that. you kind of look like the guy. i look at that picture, i saw the one on your website, you even look the same. he kills people who needs killing. these guys who get off in court. the guys get off on technicality. he kills people who needs killing. the difference here is you killed a guy who really was no harm to society. there was no response at all. the next day clark and another detective took twitchell and drove him around edmonton hoping he would give up information. what was his demeanor like? defiant. assiduous show is where the body is. will show us where johnny is and drove right here. parked in front of his parents house. after that? mark twitchell was taken to a place that was the center of his life. here we are the killing garage. the dexter garage. look familiar? we parked on top of the sewer where you d dumped the body? jog your memory. clark even took twitchell to the back of the garage, the suspect a crime scene, hoping it would trigger some level of remorse. bring back any memories? want to tell us where the body is? get this over with? okay. back in the car, another detective heard of camera starts working on twitchell. you humiliate your victim. knocked him over the head. carve him up. chop him up. this pales in comparison. twitchell said nothing, at least not in person. he had said plenty in sk confessions, if he was the author. the document was incomplete, ending in a jumble of unrecoverable computer code. com hon, we are to the point where he dumped the body and we don t know the location. a detective did a slow, methodical search through the desktop computer found in twitchell s home, and it paid up. on the computer, once deleted but now found was yet another version of sk confessions with a view tantalizing paragraphs describing the location of the victim s remains. he talks about a specific sewer. how it s off an alley in a grassy area, and an old neighborhood. he talks about telephone poles in the alley. only certain neighborhoods here have telephone poles. the older ones. that s about the time bill clark became a man obsessed. we were pulling manhole covers up. i d be with a flashlight and looking down. we would call the city crews in. nothing. enough to make a person doubt his sanity. coming up. police were about to get some help. a man that open the case. they stopped right here. a year and a half later, where did you find the body? 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after 1.5 years, call from the city jail, and meet wanted to talk to detectives. his name, mark twitchell. he handed over a print out of this google map. at the bottom of the page there was a handwritten note. location of johnny altinger s remains. it was one block south of his parents house and that alley. this is the alley behind the home. it matched perfectly with the description from sk confessions, and in fact, this area had been searched by police a year and a half earlier. they pulled all these sewers all the covers? all the covers. they searched each one and they found nothing. this block, this area, and they sent cameras down the lines where they go down the lines and sneak them down and found nothing. where do they stop? about where you and i are standing. a year and a half later, where did you find the body? right down there. five telephone poles down half a block from where we stopped the search. this was johnny altinger s tomb. there is a piece of trash he probably thought it would get washed away. deteriorate to a point where it would be unidentifiable or no one would look. no one would ever look. why weeks before his murder trial was set to begin did mark twitchell give up johnny altinger s body? there must ve been a reason. because of all the publicity the case generated, the judge slapped a gag order on the press, the police, everybody. which is one the first day of the trial, the disclosure that altinger s body had been uncovered catches everyone by surprise. the reporter is written a book about the case. it doesn t get more explosive than that. it was new information no one had heard before. the trial only got more bizarre is the prosecution unveiled for the first time sk confessions. sitting in the courtroom became a journey deep into the wilderness of a mind of darkness. horde details were written down. no detail was not told within this document. it sounds just like it is fiction, like a script, but when you step back you realize it s a real person. it is a real man who has been murdered. was johnny altinger murder? twitchell admitted he dumped the remains down the storm drain, he never said he murdered him. never admitted he was the author of sk confessions. detectives knew they would need more than this document to get a conviction. the quietly build a case on csi basics. take the garage. this is what it looked like during the normal light of day. and this is a photo taken from the same angle minutes later once the floor was sprayed with luminal, the chemical that makes blood glow. huge spots in the garage would indicate pooling of blood. we found a piece of a human tooth in the garage. we found blood spatter along the walls and the garage door. hundreds of spots where repeating had taken place. also? csi investigators found this gang processing kit. hunters would take it to cut up a moose or whatever they have killed. this is what he used and every single tool in the kit had our victim s dna on it. in his car, police found other hard evidence. we find a knife and there. a knife with blood. visible blood? visible blood and it matches johnny altinger. he left it in the car? and the car is a gold mine . it absolutely blows the case wide open. there are yellow sticky notes on the console. one has a map drawn from the garage to johnny altinger s apartment. he kept everything. wrote everything down. after the presentation of the hard evidence, his coworkers were called to testify. one of the first was the actor who played the victim in house of cards. on his way to court that morning, he worried. what would happen if twitchell is acquitted? i feel he would probably kill me. chris was not alone. rene was unsettled too the day she testified but for another reason altogether. i didn t want to feel judge. because? i have dark thoughts and i shared them with a serial killer. johnny altinger s friend testified. there was nervousness, for sure. and a lot of sadness that day for me. all i can do is speak for john and the person he was. a nice man. definitely. if things had not turned out the way it did, he would ve found what he was looking for in life. it was the first time she had gotten a clear look at mark twitchell . he seemed like a normal, average person off the street. that is what disturbed me. twitchell remained stonefaced even when his wife took the stand. she is crying through all of this. mark twitchell s reaction was nearly blank. when this video was shown a chord during bill clark s testimony, twitchell became unraveled. he starts to cry and tears are streaming down his face. he is getting hysterical. the judge recognized and they took a break. when it comes back after the break, mark twitchell is no better. still very upset and he is crying. he actually faces detective clark and he starts talking to him. he said i am sorry for lying to you. this is extraordinary. you never have the accused talking to one of the primary investigators in the middle of their murder trial. this was far from the strangest moment of the trial. that came in the case for the defense when the attorney called it one witness. mark twitchell. the room was packed. i think everyone was on the edge of their seat wondering what does this guy going to say? twitchell finally had an audience. when he had been waiting 2.5 years to tell. what a story it was. he said you could blend fiction and reality so closely together that everyone would be fooled. fooled. 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multi-angle psychosis/psychosis label entertainment. sitting on the beach and there s a palm tree and a beach in front of you but when you pull back, it s not a beach but a picture of a beach. the attack on geo tetra was just a stunt. he allowed his parade to escape. and johnny altinger? that was week too just like the first one. but johnny didn t get the joke and furious there was no woman to greet him, tap twitchell with a pipe. he s got this knife on his belt and he tells the jury in his testimony that he puts his hand on the handle of the knife and just as johnny is about to come at him, his lifting the pipe over his head and mark twitchell sticks his hands out in front of him and the next thing he sees is the knife in johnny s stomach and blood is on his hands and he collapses on the floor and dies. the only inaccuracy is the initial attacker was johnny altinger and he , mark twitchell, disposed of the body and the sewer. police have their answer as to why twitchell gave up the body. it was the prologue of his elaborate tail. his defense is a brilliant idea on the surface. he actually found a way to describe an entire police investigation that incriminated him to get him off scott free. in ohio, rene was following all of this online. i watched the live blog they had, and i was screaming my head off at home. you liar. were you afraid the jury would believe him? oh, yeah. you are looking at for the one person that has that doubt. take the doubt back to the deliberation room. gilles tetreault was in course dash cart the day it was completed. i got to sit in the second row. she looked back, my mom, and saw me. i didn t know how she would feel. she turned around and looked at me. she smiled. she grabbed my hand. she said i m so happy you are still with us. that meant so much to me. what was that like? i didn t know how she would feel toward me. when she did that, it was almost another closing moment for me. not for others in the courtroom. apparently not for the jury s deliberations dragged on. the time rolled on. people are thinking maybe there is someone out there who actually does believe mark twitchell. mark twitchell was a masterful liar, maybe this ultimate fantasy would beguile the jury. then that final audience trooped back into the courtroom and gave him his last review. they found him guilty of the premeditated first-degree murder of johnny altinger . he was sentenced to life in prison. i have never been involved in an investigation in my whole career. you theorizes someone has died. there is no doubt we don t always get it right. here we knew exactly what happened to johnny. because he told you. he told us. ultimately, johnny lettuce to a . and twitchell kept writing about it. he would ve kept writing dash cart killing. i did mark twitchell murder johnny altinger? was it a thrill killing? or something even darker? i think he wanted to experience the feeling of killing and dismembering a body. i think down the road, he was going to produce a film about it . he would be a producer who would tell his cast and crew and actors how to do it and only to himself he would know he has lived it. i think that is what he wanted to do. an ohio, rene, twitchell s friend, arrived at the same disturbing theory. i think he did it for artistic reasons. artistic reasons? i think he wanted to see how someone died so he could make a better story. film it better. write about a better. in fact, mark twitchell himself offered an answer to all the people who wondered why. he was different, he wrote in his sk confessions. he simply could not feel anyone. and so, intentionally or not, he offered a dismal reason for murdering a perfect stranger. it was a single line at the end of that horror movie of his house of cards when the killer tells his wife the best way to succeed is to write what you know. this is this is someone at a park at 3:00 am. i am andrea kncanning and this is dateline. i can t believe she would meet someone at a park at 3:00 a.m. i think she knew the second she got in his car that something was wrong. a college student disappears. i d liketo
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reporter: this rescue operation took place in broad daylight in an area called dave surratt in central gaza. the israeli military says this was based on weeks of intelligence and that they simultaneously stormed two apartments in buildings around 200 yards away from each other. in one of those apartments, they found noa argamani on her own and in the other, they found those three male hostages who were also kidnapped from the october 7th music festival. when those israeli special forces had the hostages in their arms, they gave the agreed-upon code word over the radio. they said we have the diamonds, we have the diamonds. they got the hostages out in armored vehicles. noa argamani was flown back and israel by a helicopter and taken to the hospital here in the greater tel aviv area. i met her father on october 8th. the worst day of this man s life, his world crumbling, his only daughter kidnapped by hamas and i saw him again today exactly 8 months later, and you can only imagine the joy exuberant rating out of this man to have his child back. we had a chance to speak to some of his friends and listen to what they told us about how she is doing. how are you guys feeling? amazing. you saw noa? how is she doing? she s laughing, she is strong, it s amazing. reporter: now, this moment of joy for noa and her family is also tinged with sadness. noa s mother is dying of brain cancer. for these last eight months, it has been her final wish to see her daughter once again and tonight, that wish was fulfilled. noa s boyfriend was kidnapped alongside her on october 7th. he remains inside gaza is one of the 120 hostages still being held there and jonathan, i should tell you that while there are celebrations here in israel tonight, there is absolutely searing grief inside of gaza. the health ministry says at least 210 people were killed by israeli forces during this raid, many of them, women and children. our team on the ground inside gaza sat many dead and dying children being brought into that facility there, so it is a painful split screen tonight between the joy in israel and the grieving going on inside gaza. indeed. thank you. we have also learned that one member of the israeli police counterterrorism unit has died from injuries during the operation. we will be monitoring the story and bring you updates throughout the evening on msnbc. we are also monitoring this out of washington, d.c. where thousands of pro-palestinian demonstrators have gathered outside the white house to protest the united states support for israel amid its war in gaza. they formed a redline around the white house blocking traffic and calling for an arms embargo against israel. white house staff had increased security around the residence and put up protective fencing. now, we put turn to disturbing developments in the presidential election. ever since donald trump s guilty verdict last week, the four times indicted president is vowing revenge in dangerous ways. this week, the presumptive republican nominee for president told us exactly what he plans to do if he gets back in the white house. i think you have so much to do, you don t have time to get even. you only have time to get right. well, revenge does take time. i will say that and sometimes revenge can be justified. reporter: in your first term you did not arrest any of your political opponents but after your conviction last week, has your approach to that changed? the world is different now so when you asked me the question would we do it, i ll talk to you in about three weeks from now. wouldn t it be terrible to throw the president s wife and the former secretary of state think of it. the president s wife into jail. it s very possible that is going to have to happen to them. speaker mike johnson is not waiting to exact revenge on trump s behalf. this week, he laid out how he plans to weaponize the houses oversight powers to go after the federal investigations into trunk. we are working on a three- pronged approach through the appropriations process, through the legislative process, through bills that we will be advancing through committees and putting on the floor for passage and also through oversight. those things will be happening vigorously because we have to do that because the stakes are too high but, as scary as that is, the new york times reports that prominent republicans in and out of government art demanding quote, that elected republicans use every available instrument of power against democrats, including targeted investigations and prosecutions. take, for instance, former trump aid, election denier and soon to be prison inmates, steve bannon, who is urging the prosecution of democrats telling the new york times quote, there are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to seize the day and on this moment in history. and, bannon is not the only one calling for revenge. i m talking about to it for tat. you just wait and it won t be hunter biden the next time. it s going to be joe biden. it could potentially still be barack obama. it could still potentially be hillary clinton. you have to get in the game, republicans. as every house committee controlled by republicans using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now starting every investigation they need to right now? we need some brave district attorneys in the united states to step forward and take aggressive action. incredible rogues gallery there, but you notice, there is no mention of actual crimes committed. only enemies to be targeted in a tidal wave of vengeance and retribution. as the new york times knows, quote, the intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in transnational tumultuous years in national politics six. what is different now is the range of republicans saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms. this is why, for the sake of our democracy, we need to take all of what you just heard, the snarling threats of revenge and the actions to come, very seriously. joining me now, olivia troy, former top aide to former vice president mike pence and anthony coley, former legal affairs analyst and former senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland. thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. i would love to get both of your reactions to trump suggesting that he s going to jail political opponents. i drama trump projects and says what he plans to do so i think we should take it very seriously but i don t think it s going to stop his political opponents. i think he means anyone who is ever crossed him. he will start with people like you in the media, people like me who have been outspoken critics and there will be actually no justification for it, exactly the point you made it the end of your opening. right now, what is the crime? what are you trying to investigate? but it doesn t matter to trump, because he will bend the rules and put enablers in place to go along with it. before you give your reaction, to what you just said, olivia, what is really scary to me is yes, he is saying all of this stuff and he will try to do all of this stuff and my fear is, i m not sure that the american people will rise up to try to stop him. that s exactly right. what you just said about putting enablers and places key. donald trump has learned one key fundamental truth about washington which is that people our policy. what we have seen here in d.c., they hire people, they surround themselves with people who share their vision and their values and thankfully and his first term, we had enough conservative republicans around him who resisted his very worst instincts, people who put their oath to the constitution, like olivia, ahead of their loyalty to him. they are not going to be that, those people, in the second term. he s going to surround himself in the white house with yes men and in the congress, just imagine if donald trump is president, he is more likely than not to have a republican majority in the congress. they are not going to do legitimate oversight. they re going to do rubberstamps and then we cannot look to the judiciary to save us. he has openly talked about eileen cannon, who i believe is deliberately slow walking this documents case. he talks about how we need more judges like her and i think your viewers have got to understand he has already appointed three justices to the supreme court. so, five of nine justices could be donald trump appointees and that should send a shiver down anyone s spine who loves our country and our constitution. yes, i m trying to remember who it was. oh, it was dan pfeiffer during a podcast interview for he made this exact point. if donald trump gets re-elected you can see thomas and one other justice, alito, retire and he would get at least two more but let s talk about speaker johnson since you invoked congress. speaker johnson, among the things he wants to do, he wants to theoretically allow trump to move state-level charges he is facing in georgia to federal court with the option to then issue a self pardon if convicted. that would totally upend the rule of law in this country. yes, and it is shameful to be someone who supported the republican party for so long to watch this, the party that used to stand for freedom, liberty, the rule of law. now we have completely flipped the script on it but that is a very serious thing in the fact that they are just openly discussing it and saying yeah, this is our plan, and it is for a pardon and they are all on board with it. it doesn t matter. this person committed a crime. there was an entire process that happened. it was a jury of his peers who decided on the conviction. these are cases going on in georgia where there are republicans testifying who are involved in this process, who saw the whole sedition happening firsthand so i think this is a disturbing on so many levels because it is the speaker of the house and he knows better. the other thing is, not for one second should anyone believe these people don t understand exactly what they are doing because they are intelligent and they know exactly calculated what the plan is. what really bothers me is the sense that these prosecutions were not deserved. this is politicization of the u.s. justice department. nothing could be further from the truth. i spent two years at the u.s. justice department. i saw the attorney general put in place people and processes to make sure that facts and law, not politics or anything else, would be the determining factor for investigations and prosecutions. you want more evidence that is what is happening now, look at the fact that right now, the u.s. justice department under joe biden is prosecuting joe biden s son. right, right. i love how joe biden s justice department is going after donald trump but they leave out that joe biden s justice department is not only going after joe biden s son, but also a prominent democratic senator. two prosecutions, so if joe biden has weaponize the justice department, he is doing it all wrong. i can t believe we just got started talking and it s all done. olivia, anthony, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. up next, hunter biden could take the stands next week as his trial on gun charges enters its next phase. i m officially done switching. 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testifying on one s own behalf is probably the most difficult decision the defendant has to make and something that the lawyer will sit down with them and discuss the pros and cons. i think on the pro side, the defense here has been that hunter biden did not consider himself to be an addict at the time he filled out that form, that he may have been addicted before and after but that he wasn t, and the question asks, are you addicted to drugs and so if he were to testify, he could say i did not believe i was addicted to drugs at that time. that could be enough to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. on the other hand, when you testify, it puts into play anything that might tend to impeach your credibility, so any prior inconsistent statement, any bias that you might have, any bad things you ve ever done before come into play that would otherwise be not told to the jury, so that is a balance that the defendant really has to decide for himself based on the advice he gets from his lawyer. and barbara, if hunter decides not to testify, where does that leave his defense? it could be that they are done, and i think it leaves that were most cases really end, which is arguing that the prosecution has not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt so i think what the defense would argue is that although they don t really contest what happened, that yes, he did buy this gun, all the facts that happened, that he was using drugs and all the dates that have been introduced, he did not believe himself to be an addict at that time. proving a defendant s intent and knowledge and mind-set is always the hardest thing for a prosecutor, because you can t read another person s mind is so much of the testimony has been that you know, you didn t see him on that day. you didn t know if he was using on that day. there certainly has been testimony that he was using right up around that day so it requires a little bit of circumstantial evidence for the jury to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt but it seems like there is plenty of evidence there from which they could draw that inference. let s turn to donald trump s criminal convention. the judge sent a letter to both sides yesterday about a social media, reporting to preview the guilty verdict. how seriously do you take this potential claim of a jury week? not at all. it is interesting. many courts have these, which are unmoderated message boards where people can comment. they were set up with the idea that you could engage in good public discourse but of course there are all kinds of people out there who engage in mischief and worse, so this person has said oh, my cousin says a verdict is coming. i think the judge here, out of an abundance of caution, wanted to be up front with it and not try to hide it. certainly there would be people out there who would point to this as some sort of conspiracy that the fix was in, and so the judge has disclosed this to the parties so that if they want to explore this, they may do so. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg told the house judiciary committee he will come testify about the case but not until after trump s sentencing. should brag actually show up? would he be walking into a show trial whose sole purpose is to discredit him and his successful prosecution of the case? yes. i really worry about this idea of the accusations of the weaponization of criminal charges. donald trump that due process every step of the way in this case and i worry that there is a real separation of powers issue here to try to probe into the mind-set of what prosecutors are thinking when they bring a case, so that is a risk. certainly there is oversight that exists when there are federal prosecutors but there really isn t that kind of oversight over state court prosecutors. there could be [ inaudible ] to the extent that alvin bragg s office accepts federal funds so the thing to do would be going after this case is over. all right, we re going to have to leave it there. thank you, as always, for coming to the saturday show. up next, brace yourself. with three weeks left in the supreme court session, there are several decisions to be handed down that will be consequential, even life- changing for americans, from donald trump s immunity claims, reproductive rights and more. hi honey. ahhh.ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. if you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect. new parodontax active gum repair breath freshener. clinically proven to help reverse the four signs of early gum disease. a new toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. 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of the two abortion cases, that s the one i m most optimistic about. i think that they will leave it alone? that s correct. almost half of all abortions in the u.s. are performed with mifepristone and if they accept the lower coats reasoning to bennett so many other drugs would be banned. these guys don t like abortion but they don t want to ban antibiotics. that s the good news on abortion there. thank you for the help. don t worry, i ll spoil it in just a second. exactly the next one is whether federal law regulating hospitals trumps abortion bans when it comes to performing emergency abortions. i m worried about this case. there is a federal law that does not refer specifically to abortions but it says that if you go to an emergency room and you have a medical emergency they have to stabilize your health condition so if the appropriate treatment is on abortion, the law right now says you have a right to an abortion. i think based on the oral argument, they are likely to write that out of the statute or at least put some kind of limits on it so that people who need life-saving or health saving abortions will be able to get them anymore. now, here is the case that i don t think a lot of people even know about, and this is euphemistically known as the> case and this is whether to overturn the landmark supreme court ruling in the case that gave federal agencies leeway to interpret the law. sounds very dry, but explain why this case, to your mind, is the most important case decision. this is most hypertechnical but also the most important. there are scads of federal laws that delegate power to a federal agency. everything from how mac how much emissions come from power plants to who gets overtime pay is controlled by federal agencies. chevron is a case from the reagan era that said courts should generally let agencies do what they need to do and defer to them. what the court is likely to do here is essentially give itself a veto power over everything the agencies do, so it s not just at the huge transfer of power and a huge transfer of power from the democratic biden administration to a supreme court that has a 6-3 republican majority. to your point about regulating antibiotics, that would give them purview over the fda, right? potentially. the fda has its own statute, which is different than the regulatory regime that concerned chevron but what we seen from the supreme court overall, they ve been making up all these things with names like the major questions doctrine that lets them interfere with agency so. in the u.s. versus rohini case allowing domestic abusers to have access to firearms, will the supreme court make that happen, let that happen? i think they realize they screwed up. they handed down a big program decision that led to this decision. i think they re going to have to walk it back. you ve given us hope on two cases. thanks for coming to the show. still to come, president biden delivers a powerful speech in defense of democracy as he commemorates 80 years since americans landed on french shores to defeat the forces trying to destroy it. my political panel joins me next to talk about the message, and more. more. hello. my smile is back on point. easy. shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation. or an unbearable itch. this painful blistering rash could also disrupt your work and time with family. shingles could also lead to long term, debilitating nerve pain that can last for months or even years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 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someone to say yes, and someone to not detract from his ticket or in the case of bergen, someone who could write a really big check to support tom s campaign and what bergen has going for him as we could go all the way to november for the nation knows who this guy is. maybe he is a very nice guy. we saw him try to be somewhat reasonable during the primary. we know he has high marks as governor but donald trump is looking for somebody to fall in line. marco rubio has long been my dark house horse. he s now moved up. he s in the final four because he played the politics of donald trump right. he didn t relitigate his flip- flop for the past eight years, he just flopped. he reminds nikki haley voters that there are people like nikki haley still supporting donald trump but the vice president is not going to change. the vice presidential nominee is not going to change donald trump s behavior nor the parties platform. what the country should hope for is somebody capable of governing should donald trump end up not being able to serve. so, alencia, of those four people , who do you think he s going to pick? it s a crap shoot however, i think he might pick someone like tim scott given that it gets diversity on the ticket. in air quotes. they ve been trying to run black candidates in certain areas. republicans are trying to get away from being called the party full of white supremacists and racists, so tim scott falls in line and he happens to be a black man. maybe. i heard there s an awesome new book written by jonathan capehart that s about to drop. the wager will be the new k part book that it s not tim scott. well, that looks not coming out until later in the year, knock on wood. am excited about it. thank you very much. that s very nice of you. in the few seconds we have lester left, i will say the one thing we know about donald trump as he is biggest on appearances. he gave somebody the department of defense secretary job because he looked the part and so of those four characters we saw before, governor bergen looks the part to donald trump s mind, that is. in the time i spent in his head. former congressman david jolly, alencia johnson thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. up next, the trump campaign is making a big play for black voters but given the former president s rhetoric and disrespect for topline officials, i m not buying it. charles coleman junior joins me after the break to discuss. jo after the break to discuss. good to go off the grid. good to go nonstop. with cabenuva, there s no pausing for daily hiv pills. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it s two injections from a healthcare provider. just 6 times a year. don t receive cabenuva if you re allergic to its ingredients or if you re taking certain medicines which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems, mental health concerns, and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection-site reactions, fever, and tiredness. with cabenuva, you re good to go. ask your doctor about switching. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn t ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue. and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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n word. the spokesperson from the trump campaign has denied the story calling it completely fabricated but trumps disrespect for black men was evident when president obama was in the white house. trump actively undermined obama s legitimacy by promoting the racist brother lie that he was not born in hawaii, but can you. now, he s doing it to quentin foltz and michael tyler and i m here to call it out. don t ask for our votes in one breath then denigrate someone who looks like us in the next. but, let s be real. this is not about getting our votes. it s about setting up a permission structure for white voters to cast a ballot for him. after all, how can he be racist if he s asking for their vote, right? wrong. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst charles coleman junior, civil rights attorney and host of the charles coleman podcast. charles, i wanted you to be with me in the segment specifically because of that pin you where every day and every show. what does that pin say? yes, this is my black brilliance pen and i m so glad you asked about because for me as a black man who is a professional who walks in different spaces that in many cases, i find myself being the only one of many. i am someone who understands the importance of affirming myself and my brilliance because as is the case with quentin and michael, i can expect that even as i have done the work, even as i have gotten the title, is an as we have ascended through the ranks that other people are going to affirm it as well so it s a soft affirmation and an affirmation for people like you, as well, who find themselves trying to make their way in worlds that are often not friendly to us. what you say to that question saying how could donald trump be racist, you know, if he s going for their votes? why is that that s not good enough. this is a very nuanced question because i think what people have to understand when they re talking about black men and their voting patterns, particularly as it relates to the selection, the biden campaign is battling two major campaigns. the first one is misinformation. there are a lot of voters who are misinformed or underinformed about the progress that administration has made on their accomplishments and in some cases, they ve been told wrong information. the other thing they are battling, is regardless what it is you re saying, people are going to vote how they feel and that s why it s even more important that outreach occur on a proactive level. if you are talking about, for example, a record low and unemployment of black men but that low is still higher than the national average and higher than other white men, then it still feels like your last. it looks do we have charles? let me buffer for a second. there you go. real quick, finish the last part of your answer, charles. what i was saying is that it is something the biden campaign has to be aware of, regardless of the notion of racism in terms of how donald trump tries to siphon off voters from a pretty solid democratic block. that is an important point people have to understand. people are going to vote how they feel more than anything else. and i hope people feel that they should not vote for somebody who says vote for me, well you know, around the corner is denigrating people who look just like them because you are setting yourself up for failure. charles coleman junior, thank you very much. sorry the conversation was so quick. i hope to see you soon. or of the saturday show on msnbc after a break. msnbc after a break. 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Tonight. the judge who is overseeing his hush money case, justice juan merchan, says he will allow trump s lead attorney, todd blanche, to attend an interview before trump is sentenced here in new york on july 11, typically, the defendant would meet one-on-one with a probation officer without an attorney present for this pre-sentencing investigation. but trump is now a law allowed to bring todd blanche along. and here s why that matters. the information that is gathered from that interview was quite quite important. it all goes into what s known as a pre-sentence report to help the judge your decide the defendant s punishment. and for trump, as we know, that could very well mean jail. but also tonight, the judge did something else. he flagged a facebook post from last month to both the prosecution and the defense now, the person who made this post, this poster claim to be a cousin of a juror. and they wrote that their cousin told them trump was going to be convicted. now there is no
Pull the jurors. there s a lot of there s a lot of potential tools. but the last thing the judge would want to do is be behind the api for as have this information. not give it to the parties, and not give them a position to make a record and be heard on how it should be handled because it could be. and i emphasize could be significant and it needs to be looked at and thoroughly reviewed. who s in charge of actually conducting the investigation? is tied blanche and trump s team is that the district attorney s office? is it the judge who s was still well, i would think that the judge would be leading the investigation. i found the defense. i m jumping all over this as judge grosso said, could be true, could be not true. i ll just note the post was the day before the verdict apparently. now, the person has a 50, 50 shot of getting it right. but they did get it right. so if i m the defense, i m looking for any legal opportunity to overturn this conviction. i m going to ask the judge, can you bring in all the jurors, even the alternates? can we question? shouldn t them? one-by-one in camera, meaning individually in
On warriors but i leaned on his wisdom when writing this book as well, thank you so much matthew. thanks, pete. all right, we move on now to a fox news alert. drums lawyers on the prosecution just received a letter from the judge. alerting them to a post on facebook made before the verdict came out. saying, quote, my cousin is a juror and says trump is getting convicted. thank you folks for all your hard work. the entire post, including the comment has since been deleted. fox has not confirmed the commenter s identity, we just know the judge sent out a letter. we do not know if this guy was actually the cousin of a juror, this could easily be a prank. trumps team told fox they are looking into it, they are investigating it and we will have more for you on monday. don t want to get ahead of ourselves. hunter biden s daughter goes under oath. [ ]