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for justice. but, by attacking the entire premise for the war in ukraine by suggesting that president putin has been lied to by his military leadership, isn't that undermining putin? >> yeah, i think that was a step too far even from vladimir putin who's known to drag his heels. it's no secret that prigozhin has been very outspoken about how he views the defense leadership and how this war is being managed since day one, saying wagner has done a much better job. that having been said, he has never come out and specifically condemned the rationale for this war, which is the first time that we've seen that happen. i don't think that brings this war to an end any time soon regardless of what happens with vladimir putin. but i do think that that was notable and that is something that vladimir putin could not defend or allow to happen without a response. >> everyone stand by. coming up next, cnn's new reporting on the extremely detailed intelligence that the united states had gathered on the wagner rebellion.
prigozhin go live in exile in belarus? >> i don't, alex. and what we're talking about. we have the film of the one aircraft. open source intelligence says there were somewhere between six and eight with multiple pilots being killed. that's an air attack by mr. prigozhin's wagner group against the russian air force because they had air defense equipment in that march with them. but, in addition to that, there have been multiple occasions where the wagner group has engaged ground forces of the russian force. so, we have a combination of this private military company engaging the russians in both ukraine and in russia. and it is really just -- as i've said before -- these folks are criminal thugs and, in some cases, interspersed with some military capabilities. but we're going to see more of this. i'm not sure prigozhin is done. but it's fascinating to me how
profitable catering contracts, earning him a nickname of putin's chef. >> he is almost the caricatured version of how violent entrepreneurs in the 1990s when there weren't many rules about russian capitalism got ahead, and, you know, having connections in the underworld. >> reporter: prigozhin established wagner around 2014, and consolidated his power by having his mercenaries do putin's bidding and civil conflicts in africa and syria. in ukraine, analysts say, prigozhin's fighters proved especially valuable to putin. >> not because of the fabulous military skills or equipment that the wagner group-but because the wagner group was even more willing than the russian army, which is saying something, to just sacrifice their young soldiers. they just don't care. that was very useful for putin. >> reporter: some analysts point to the vicious battle for the
but i don't see putin really exercising the degree of control that he has to exercise if he's ever going to restore his own credibility. >> remarkable leeway that he's giving to these wagner fighters. leon panetta, thanks very much for your expertise this evening. coming up, more on the mutiny by russian mercenaries and how it's putting the spotlight on a fierce rivalry between the wagner group's boss and vladimir putin's defense secretary. ng photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourisish. ♪
group forces, if that's the true number, were going to take moscow, just adds to the delusional nature of what it looks like prigozhin tried to do. >> and so much of his anger came from the fact that so many of them were being killed, particularly around bakhmut. prigozhin is rejecting the suggestion that this was a coup attempt. he says this was a protest march, a march for justice, he called it. now you yourself have admitted to planning coups in other countries. what do you think prigozhin's goal, his end game was? >> i don't think he really knows. i think much of this occurred in prigozhin's mind when he was confronted with these efforts by the russian defense ministry effectively to end wagner group forces existence separately in the ukraine theater. and i'm not sure he thought it through. i would say, by the way, and i did hear it referred to earlier in the program about the sprawling resources of wagner. they are sprawling. they sprawl in the middle east
down? at the end of the day, let's be blunt, putin cares much more about his own position at home than he does about ukraine. ukraine was a means to an end to strengthen his a position sat home. ultimately, what he cares most about is putin in russia. if he now decides that cutting his losses or defining success down in ukraine serves his political and personal interest at home, then i think this could potentially open up a new chapter. >> if putin were to do that, he's got some scapegoats he can point to. blame prigozhin, the ministry of defense, they led us astray. manage down victory and get out. that's possible. david ignatius, let's talk a little bit about the wagner group right now, which they played a key role here. certainly in the battle of bakhmut, other places. they were certainly successful, a little russian success they've had in this campaign. they're also the tip of the spear in places like africa. like, this is a significant entity. its future is very much in
prigozhin suddenly walked away from his march from moscow when he was a couple hundred miles away from the capital. the wagner group played a really important role in the war effort to this point. we don't know what happens to them now, where they are. we're not even quite sure what their leader is doing or if criminal charges have been dropped against him. there's reporting maybe they haven't been. do your best, your analysis as to what you think happens to the group. >> well, jonathan, it's a great question. let me paint you this scenario. how does the wagner group get integrated back into the russian military when the wagner group just killed multiple russian pilots, took down a bunch of aircraft the last 48 hours? there's a lot of questions on how this would occur. of course, there's reports today, as you noted, that perhaps the criminal proceedings against prigozhin, you know, may not have been dropped. we really don't know. you know, i think there was a lot of, you know, people's heads were spinning on saturday when all of a sudden, prigozhin, you know, stood down.
in ukraine, military leadership sought to use the chaos to their advantage, eager accelerate the halting start of their counteroffensive. in the southeast, ukrainian troops claimed to liberate a village. they said they cleared a strategic russian position on the western bank of the canal. and in the long embattled town of bakhmut, ukrainian troops said they made gains on territory that wagner fighters fought mercilessly to claim for months. the battle in bakhmut unfolded in close quarters among the trenches, some fighting even taking place at point-blank range, a ukrainian commander said. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy visited the front lines of donetsk to praise the efforts of the troops to advance. >> translator: ukraine is proud of each and every one of you. you are tough, strong, our real
led an armed rebellion against him. an armed rebellion would've been suppressed in any case. the organizers of the rebellion could not fail to understand this. they understood everything, including that they resorted to criminal acts to divide and weaken the country, which is now confronting a colossal external threat exun precedented pressure from outside. >> in his address to the nation, putin also thanked the fighters of the wagner private military company who stood down and repeated his offer for them to join the russian defense ministry. >> translator: i thank those soldiers and commanders of the wagner group who made the only right decision. they did not go for the fratricidal bloodshed. they stopped at the last line. >> reporter: but he avoided of saying the name of the man who led the mutiny, wagner boss yevgeny prigozhin. prigozhin with his exact whereabouts unknown, called his march to moscow a protest, and
i know donald trump's won't pay anybody's legal bills, but he'll get other people to. he will normalize supporting people who attacked our democratic process. that is more trump like, fascist like behavior that is taking hold in the mindset of his base, which is still very much there. richard haass, thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," the latest out of eastern europe this morning following a short-lived revolt led by a mercenary group in russia over the weekend, including what u.s. intelligence agencies knew about the wagner group's plans before it happened. plus, our next guest says the rebellion has exposed president vladimir putin's weakness. we'll explain and look at all the implications ahead on "morning joe."