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climate change isn't just real. it is happening. the sooner we move past pseudoscientific debates about the veracity of things that are established fact based on data and measurement, the sooner we can actually do something about it. joining me now is the ceo of the planetary society, bill nye, a/k/a the science guy and from from the university, professor jeffrey sax. thanks for joining me. bill, you were on a debate on our mother ship a few weeks ago. while i always think it's good to discuss the issue of climate change, it boggles my mind that we're even having a debate. from your perspective and i will quote somebody in 1992, the u.n. undersecretary at a climate change conference in 1992, which was 22 years ago, said every bit of evidence i've seen persuades me that we are on a course leading to tragedy. that was 22 years ago. why are we still debating this basic fact?
problem. you have people in congress who really embrace it as kind of an easy way out. >> who sit on the very committees that are tasked with doing something about this. >> it's really generational largely. i completely understand it. your james inhofe, you grew up where you have neighbors literally miles away and it's hard to believe that your neighbors could affect the climate of a whole world. >> but, dr. science guy, you look at the -- you -- dr. sax, you look at the -- interest dips when the economy is bad. that said, this argument has been framed as one of greenies there is nongreenies where it's an economic issue. we rattled off the list of droughts, there are wildfires, the polar vortex. it's expensive when things freeze over. it's expensive when crops die. how come that part of the economic argument or the sort of
>> final question to you, jared, you know joe biden better than any of us. how do you anticipate that he'll address some of these factual issues in the debate come thursday? >> i was just thinking about that as i was listening to some of the earlier segments. great kudos to you for citing dizzy gillespie. that was a home run. >> hurry up, we have to go. sherrod brown is waiting for us. >> joe biden has an excellent bs met meter and i don't mean bowles/simpson. he's going to be hitting back very hard. >> jared bernstein, professor jeffrey sax. thank you both. much more ahead as we await the president speaking live at ohio state university. stay with us. ♪ i'm only in my 60's...
. paul ryan has repeatedly said that he and mitt romney have a plan to grow the economy and reduce unemployment. but, unfortunately, whenever they're asked for details, they say they haven't run the numbers yet. well, we have some good news for mr. ryan because the economist did manage to run the numbers with the help of some experts and 450er is their conclusion. by a large margin, they rate obama's overall economic plan more highly than mr. romney's credit him with a better grasp of economics and think him more likely to appoint a good economic team. jared besh steen is former chief economic adviser to the vice president and an msnbc contributor and professor jeffrey sax is the author of "the price of civilization." if i might begin with you, jared, mr. ryan has offered an array of excuses for why he won't give us the details. he doesn't want to go all wonky
they're going to get away with it, with this scam, because now they have -- now that the primaries are over and the convention is over, now they're running to the center disguising all of this, making everything seem so mellow, but it's a very radical proposal. >> it is radical. >> radical and disgusting. >> that's the right word. >> but maybe they're smoothing everything over. >> it's radicalism that they're trying to disguise as moderation and it's very, very important to see through it. the stakes are high. >> but, professor, you called it a scam. do you think it's a scam. >> it is a scam. >> it's a con on the nation? >> of course it's a con on the nation. this is an extreme right view. it's been played that way until recently but at the debate everything changed all of a sudden. the language was all sweet and very moderate. it had its political effect so far. i hope that there's time for people to understand what this is really about, bub it is a zam, of course it is.
plan is this postcard. this is the size of what we are talking about right here. taxpayers will be able to fill this out and file their taxes on that. we have professor jeffrey sax, columbia university and the author of the price of civilization. professor, can you help me understand this? first of all, how does a nation run two taxations simultaneously. a flat tax and you can keep your existing tax. >> remember what governor perry said that was reputed saying i want to make the federal government as inconsequential to the american people as possible. whether it's perry or cain, they want a gut for the tax system.
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