What a lot of people don t get is that these two weapons, the shotgun and a 300 block out with two murder weapons, where his weapons. but they never found them how did they know that, because when you expel a cartridge, when you shoot ecologic cycles through, a marcus left on the cartridge unlike any other. so, when the police did a great job in this case in the area this fall and other cartridges insult an end then match them and they realize that they all match. so it was a family weapon. and they think one day the guns will be found, maybe not in our lifetime may be down the river were hidden somewhere around that tract of land. and she let me bring bill back in bill hemmer back in with and let s ask about it because i thought i had the same thing that you heard that they modify one of them? yes i will refer to the judge and answer on this, was my understanding that at ar-15 was not found.
Years and thank you for joining us and given your insight into this case we really appreciated. are at thank you nancy grace. there was more reaction. the cohost of the hit show the five judge judy puerile cohost of fox & friends and other head show angel year host, and three ehrhardt, and the cohost of another head show america s newsroom, bill hemmer. [applause] thank you all for coming. so, at least they know there s a big thing in south carolina i m dying to hear what the people they are saying about this tonight so judge let me start with you about the facts of this case. i watched and i everybody else and i followed her like everybody else, but the evidence to me was overwhelming and incontrovertible but. the promenade of this family, and their connection to the judicial system caused me to think that is not a slam dunk even though felt that it was.
There is no eyewitness and there is no bloodstain and there are no fingerprints and there is none of the stuff in every murder case that i have tried either as a prosecutor or a judge, murders are circumstantial cases they all are but what they were overworking is the fact that even though we do not have fingerprints or do not have all the blood spatter is all the things you would expect we had that phone. telling us where it was turning over time time was off and how many paces he was taking. and what was it 263 pages at nine oh three between a 49 and nine oh seven. this was an incredibly technical case but i ll tell you that the jury would ve convicted him up this even without that. all you need is common sense. do you ask mind if i ask what did you think about how he was googling on the stand and then today there was no motion and he was using pol pot and man s but never using natural names.
0 against asians in this country are perpetrated by nonwhite people. not by white supremacist, but these are people who are reluctant to say that all they want to say is that trump is at fault and republicans are at fault. and obviously she s hiding it. but great to see you tonight thank you. and we are out of time, but we introduce sean hannity. sean hannity: that they had a taco because we have an audience in. and i guess it we are black with a live studio audience tonight and we have a ton of news that s breaking. with the this fox news alert. a grizzly case that has riveted entire country. in horrified americans everywhere. and that is alex murdaugh found guilty on all charges including two counts of murder, with a weapon. and tonight by the way, we will cover every aspect of this case. if you hear from the prosecutor s legal experts and other people on the ground and by the way of all people, guess wwho this book for. o.j. system even weighed in. i know on this case. within a play his comments straight ahead tonight. the first let me give you some background for those of you who work for a living are not able to follow the story of the bank s became a fascinating case, a lot of twists and turns, and a lot of people speculating that he might get out, but the jury came back in less than three hours. not alex merritt is the prominent south carolina attorney in a big time democratic donor and is now facing life in prison for murdering his wife. his wife maggie, and is 22-year-old son. he took the jury three hours to deliver this writer but just to sit in very gruesome horrible double homicide will haunt people in this country especially south carolina now in the low countries the decades to come. and until recently they were a prominent family in hampden county. they ran what was the biggest law firm and had deep, deep ties to the local judicial system. from judges to prosecutors to police, and the murder elsewhere in this wealthy and well-connected family in the region. but at times they seem to believe that they themselves that are above the law. in alex merritt at a very expensive drug addict over the past several years. and alex murdaugh was braiding through millions of dollars on pills. and god knows what else. in other to pay for all of these in his lifestyle and his drug use. and he tried to rob client said embezzled money from his own law firm, and committed insurance from an a massive scale. he also face mounting legal bills related to his son s boating accident that looks like maybe they tried to cover up and will tell you about that in 2019, paul murdaugh drools the family bullet into a bridge while he was drunk, that killed a young girl and passage on board. and he s facing financial and legal ruling and apparently this all came to a head on the evening of june 7th, 2021. when alex shot his wife, four to five times with the rifle, and then shot his own son twice with a shotgun at the family s hunting compound and his son s head was all but missing from the blast. now that night, he called 911 alex murdaugh, he told through the police that he happened upon the bodies and had no idea who killed his wife and son. a few months later in sept september 2021, he attempted to stage his only murder, paying his junk dealer to shoot him in the head and what was a possible botched attempt to commit insurance fraud? a following that incident he was finally charged with killing his wife and his son. and it was interesting, they didn t have your cell phone records from the beginning for the cell phone records and hyperactivity blood on his clothes placed him at the scene of the crime. it was on tape telling the police that there in the kennel. and i ll get into more detail about that committee. but it did not stop alex murdaugh from taking the stand and tosh wright tosh wright of a genetic defect is part of it take a look. i think i touched her down around the dash i don t know. i don t know. if you asked me exactly i think i touched her down around her waist but i do not know. snif sniffles the jury, thed not buy it. and now alex merritt off will spend the rest of his life are behind bars. not here is the lead prosecutor reacted to the very latest take a look. justice was done today. and it does not matter, who your family is. it does not matter how much money you have or how much many people think you have. it doesn t matter what you think or how prominent you are, if you do wrong, if you break the law, if you murder, and justice will be done in south carolina. and i think south carolina has shown the nations around the world how process can work and work well. are joining us knowledge to action on the ground in south carolina to make fox nation host nancy grace, who has been tracking the trail from the very beginning. joining us today from south carolina. it wasn t just south carolina nancy, was the entire country riveted by the case. in meeting up to the jury, being handed this case earlier tonight i will tell you that there was a lot of trepidation concern and worry that the prominence in this family and the name and the connections might play a role in might sway one juror to perhaps hearing this verdict and that did not happen. three hours, that s almost a record. yes, you re right. that is almost a record. then it was across the country cannot tell you sean, everywhere i went here, leaving here throughout the trial, where there is at the holiday inn nor the sandwich shop other fish fire, here at the courthouse, or in front of the methodist church, people come up to me and say he s going to get off isn t he? he s going to get off, because he s a mind off, that is the king of the cleaning of carlton county. and of going to tell you, when i saw him, not nonstick frying like that. . i didn t feel pretty. because i knew that he murdered his wife and his you can answer your question. think about it. there was his wife and his son lying there on the floor of the dog kennel. their bodies riddled with bullets. and within minutes, he was trying to get with a lawyer. now, if that was my son john david or mike don gary lucy that will be the last thing on my mind. even when he called 911, he knew to lie about the critical moment of time. three or 4 minutes we knew that the murders recorded based on cell phone records. he knew to lie about the critical juncture of time. and who else would know window but it occurred other than the killer. let me ask you this nancy, because it seems like when he was on tape, with the police officers, lying, and saying he was not lee near the kennel, and then it was months later that he was finally able to get into the sun cell phone and there was the audio facing him in the kennel just moments before the murders took place. was that the key moment? was that the moment with the jury got to say wait a minute, all the lies that he is telling eli to us in the trial. that in my mind was the moment. you know how in every case there s a critical moment, in order thought james and simpson, o.j. simpson, is when they fake not being able to put the glove on, that i was attending moment. in this video sean, he is out there at the kennels of his hunting lodge and there were three homes, is at the kennels of the hunting lodge with some jump ball and wife maggie trying to get a video of her friends dog to send to a lady that. they couldn t make the dog be still and they take video but little did they know that the very end of that video his voice is caught in the background saying something like that is not a chicken that the guinea because one of the dogs is chasing a bird. he caught his voice, he had no idea he was caught. and for 20 plus months he d like to his feet including that night. when he was asked where were you and you could ve said that he was just with my wife and at the kennel and then i want to go see my mom but he lied. he lied because he knew he be placing himself at the screen of the client at the time of the murder. when they unlock the phone and the use of the service by the way to get the phone a lot they had the video. and many witnesses identified his first and finally he said hey, that was me. that was the moment. yes i agree. nancy one thing they might not know about you but i certainly do, is known each other a long time and you ve been a powerful victims advocate for many, many years and thank you for joining us and given your insight into this case we really appreciated. are at thank you nancy grace. there was more reaction. the cohost of the hit show the five judge judy puerile cohost of fox & friends and other head show angel year host, and three ehrhardt, and the cohost of another head show america s newsroom, bill hemmer. [applause] thank you all for coming. so, at least they know there s a big thing in south carolina i m dying to hear what the people they are saying about this tonight so judge let me start with you about the facts of this case. i watched and i everybody else and i followed her like everybody else, but the evidence to me was overwhelming and incontrovertible but. the promenade of this family, and their connection to the judicial system caused me to think that is not a slam dunk even though felt that it was. i think that this is a case but was amazingly warm up to say, that they came back as quickly as they did in a case where they heard 28 days of testimony in six weeks with a complicated series of circumstantial evidence. they had to join together to make sure that none of it point not to innocent but together pointed to beyond a reasonable doubt and convince them of that guilt. it was amazing, but the fact is, even though they were in an incredibly powerful family and accounting, thanks jerry did not look in in that way. this jury had an opportunity to look at him, and he took the stand and said i am a liar, a drug addict, not a murderer. okay that makes sense, but what do you july about? the most significant thing he lied about was that he was mandated to admit only after the snapshot was revealed that he was at the kennels, is that he lied about being at the scene of the crime. i would like to stand up point for once i second, because they were not able to break into the sunset of phone until many months later, in his voice was put in the kennel moments for the murder. it s almost as though the sun was speaking from the grave. he took that snapshot, and it came back and grabbed his father by the neck. just like the tweets in the text that he did to his father that mom and i want to talk to you, we found the pills, they were closing in on him and him as he s called called popo, the father called him a little detective. and as soon as i heard that i went to locate there is a resentment there, what is he dug up? the father is resentful of and that is the pills within four weeks this was a classic domestic violence case. we have a housekeeper kill, him hiring a drug dealer to at least look like he was the victim of an attack. then he goes in and kills his son and his wife it is incomprehensible for good people to understand the level of evil. ainsley, you are from south carolina, and i know the entire state has been following this case, and you actually know john marvin. del mar is about or who took the stand he s on his city had to clean up all his nephew s brains at the seat and we went to college together, and i haven t really kept in touch with them but i did scan it one time that i knew him and he was nothing but nice to be in college and we had a lot of great friends and i m still good friends with several of his best friends. so we ve been you know talking back and forth during the whole trial, and he did say appreciate easily saying that on air because in south carolina they ve been known as a great family. and it is in south carolina where people don t leave. people wonder why i stayed in new york and why he moved to new york but they couldn t understand that because it s such a great place to live and everyone knows everyone and if i didn t know her eye would have known her mother or my mom what about the college with her mom into such an insular state and i think they felt like enough was enough. you ve gotten away with five measurements connected to your family you ve been cheating good hardworking south carolina is out of their money, is someone who was in a car accident even said that he took money from the paralegal and he said actually was it a paraplegic. it w was a quadriplegic. in the whole courtroom went to work? so he took money from people who deserved to his housekeeper, he had an insurance plan. was in a 4.3 million? get an insurance plan out just before she died she died suspiciously she got tangled up with the dogs and fell on the front brick steps are back brick steps, six steps leading to the porch. and paul is on the phone at maggie s on the phone and they were some that said maybe alex had been there, we re wondering now wait a minute do we need to get her up from the grave and her family has decided to do that because how does she really die, he kept it into its money and her two sons never saw another is a huge lawsuit. so the sons they taken out, the insurance policy on long before? i read a month but do not quote me on that. a short time before it. and he gets the insurance money never gives it to them but he promised he would but there s no telling what he spent the money on. he stole $9 million from the law firms in that day, they gave them my days that s when they bring them into the office and say i know what he s done to all of us. were going to have to change your name on the laughlin. brick and have to pay back all the money to all the clients they ve stolen from, and you stole $9 million of client money and our money it s put it in your bank account. there is no way he could have done this many drugs where s the money? such as a point and bill and i know you ve been following a daily as well. i just want to get your broad overview because i know you were surprised i heard you early in the network tonight talking about how fast the verdict came in. yes the speech. janine and injury, well done. none of this that we are talking about tonight is good. perhaps the only good thing is that the verdict came back. and came back guilty. look at this case for 28 days and we tried to triangulate the location for where they were and what time and how many steps they took them home that how many yards and et cetera, for the jury didn t see it that way i saw a very simple case. you cannot tell us that you were not there at the time that your life and your son were murdered. that is why they came back within three hours times and i call this force america s first iphone trial. and the reason i say that is because the snapchat video, and by the way the murders happen in june of 2021 a run of that time they didn t unlock the phone until april 2022 and here it is february and march in 2023, so deftly took time and he s got his alibi for himself right, he s got a change that. and nick trial and had been saying this and i ve been saying that synapse in saying this, but now i m going and change my story a hundred and 80 degrees. because it is an older man he never thought his son was doing snapchat he didn t have to think about that. and does jury say you know what was funny that some of the analogous of what was happening. and this profession out there any oppression look prosecuted and there were so many people do have a quick to complement his approach on this an end they were saying things like, not that the could not shaken. he turned on the tears at the right moment et cetera. aand i could not feel that he ws that convincing because the evidence was so overwhelming, or the fact that i will admit i am a liar and a thief and i m a drug addict but i m not a murderer. i was pretty much a defense in sl offer about the type of person i am but i didn t do that one thing. but admit to everything else. now why we have chosen to go to the stand? my understanding is his attorney did not want them to take this pain. and he is a very successful confident trial attorney brick he took the stand what is that tell you? it tells you that he is arrogant enough to believe that anything he tells these people in that jerry and in the courthouse where his grandfather s portrait is hanging that apparently they took them before the trial if they re going to believe you made that .. earlier, i mean three generation what it they say the first generation makes the money the second generation spends an end they blow it but this has blown it. i may just flat out. i do want to finish one point there were talked about earlier on the evidence that the state brought into the case about the sound transmission towers, and the location devices, how and when it iphone light went on, wedding went off i never reconsider that before. carl cameron and i felt to be content one way or the other and what time it was. they went with that level of precision and the amount of steps they took in the time it took to walk across the yard, the reason i bring it up is because lawyers are using the digital footprint in trials all across america. but as the first time that we as a country of paid attention to one singular trial and that was stationed there is another one coming up at the end of june. and back in idaho. and we re going to be hearing a lot more of this type of digital evidence and we have just have to sean. also, in the snapchat video, the dog is running around like nancy grace said chasing but after the murders, the police come, and the dog is not in the kennel. if this is some stranger, nothing is taking us up the guns big guns to happen to be paul s favorite gun and his dad favorite gun. the dog is locked up in the kennel with augustana going to the kennel for some stranger who will bite his leg off. this dog was in the kennel and he was familiar with whoever the shooter was and he happens to be the alex. also he says when he got to the scene after he visited his mom he told the nurse that is montana that lie to tell them that i was here for a lot longer 20 minutes longer than i was, so she said that she said that understand. he says that he gets to the scene of the crime, and he sees them lying down any calls 911 after he turned paul s body over to make sure he was dead. and the police said, heats called 17 seconds after he showed up, and he said that was not enough time to turn a dead body over and check his pulse and make sure he was okay. so many holes, in this section was approved skill and gaming to cut you off. no i just want to add something to what bill was saying we learned that you can tell when a phone is being turn around or not turned around compare that or juxtapose to what the defense attorneys are saying they are saying that this is the circumstantial case that there is no eyewitness and there is no bloodstain and there are no fingerprints and there is none of the stuff in every murder case that i have tried either as a prosecutor or a judge, murders are circumstantial cases they all are but what they were overworking is the fact that even though we do not have fingerprints or do not have all the blood spatter is all the things you would expect we had that phone. telling us where it was turning over time time was off and how many paces he was taking. and what was it 263 pages at nine oh three between a 49 and nine oh seven. this was an incredibly technical case but i ll tell you that the jury would ve convicted him up this even without that. all you need is common sense. do you ask mind if i ask what did you think about how he was googling on the stand and then today there was no motion and he was using pol pot and man s but never using natural names. just to bring in jury to say that we love each other and we use nicknames? i mean he didn t talk about the fact that his wife that seen a she wasn t living with them but you should slow down on this this is an important point because we had the insurance policy of the housekeeper gloria, and where the insured s policy of the w wife. in the insurance policy no. she had a it was her world. and on her well, her sister s name was crossed out. and alec s name is is pen above it so then, it was null and void. and she is not to see a divorce attorney. yes, okay, she and her son find the post. she is googling little white pillars that has this number on it and find that it s oxycodone. she goes to see an attorney, and the son says that we now need to talk to you about this. so, he admits to himself that they attracted detox alone at home. so they are likely have had enough and i ve seen a lawyer, and they keep talking about the financial crimes editor bring about the baloney. the financial crimes he is arrogant enough to think you will get a limited periods but what he needs to get away with is the impending divorce that is going to expose everything in the fact that his son is a $10 million civil lawsuit that is can end up paying for in the death of mallory. in the hearing was going to be three days later after they were killed. in result and the property it was in his wife s name. is a case though there has no murder weapon. then i think they had one of them. the all the shows, that shall cases were found on the property and they came from guns that were that belong to the family. block out rifles with the rifle he had very specific lines inside in the same cell patients in a 17-acre property that they had. spinach is the judges is an anxious point. the state prosecutor said that the hounds were at the gate. and there was a gathering in the storm. also he had shawnee, he had one of his best friends in one of his law partners take the stand and did he try to present? and have what s the movie that you love sean? to have that moment of old flash the military movie of jack nick shook and since he tried to do one of those a few good men he tried to do that you can t handle the truth. that s jill biden also he can handle it. yes politics. he started staying to his friend you are jazz up your saying this because you re mad. because he took your money and the guy said i know what you re going with this because he s an attorney to a man know where you re going through with this, any size you are just angry, admit it that s the only reason you re testifying against him because you re angry took your money will be set have no feelings for this man. i already local of the feelings i have a family and the kids and i am an attorney to and i know where you re going with this, i am up here and i took my oath and about my hannah barber and i m telling you the truth. he stole money from us and i had to work to repay it. are right, stay where you are will dennis stay were judged to need a ainsley earhardt and bill hemmer because these guys are great and were great to have a audience with this thank you for being here, and they will stay with us now, but also that i have o.j. simpson because he actually reacted to this case he has right and just a few moments will play that 40 the first following the guilty verdict tonight south carolina attorney general, alan wilson had this to say this take a look. the criminal justice is to work eye. it gave a voice to maggie, and paul murdaugh. who were brutally mowed down and murdered by the 9th of june 72021 by someone that they loved in the someone that they ve trusted. they could not be here to testify for themselves tonight, but that testimony came to the ebony thing information that was gathered by the things i just mentioned. and it came from the testimony of the agents in the investigators and the attorneys, the folks in our staff are able to get into the corporate records. getting on with my reaction to the verdict is fox news legal analyst on harvard law professor dr. alan hirsch which was with us. and i read your column about this, and this was before the verdict came in and you talked about murdaugh s ridge ski can dictate take the stance and how the pizza backfired on him. use a couple of really interesting analogies one when you said that that was the equivalent of a hail mary pass and that got my attention. and you said that the hopeless maybe they ll be one probable jury, but there was not honestly. you said that the decision to take the witness stand by alex cloyd, and his double murder trial which is not risky, was foolish explain. yes, because we found 5 minutes with and taken the witness stand he utterly destroyed his own alibi. you know, he says that i liked everybody over the last 20 months i was at the scene of this crime, and literally minutes before the murders i like to everybody, prosecutors family and friends and yes, i still have swindled $9 million and lied to my clients come into my law firm, and to everybody but now i m telling the truth and now i want you to believe me. that generally does not work in the real world. so as a world might them a call my evidence against him was overwhelming they have more holes than swiss cheese in a story. when i was amazed to watch lawyers and legal analyst on television saying there is reasonable doubt reading all over but it s just a circumstantial case no direct evidence or high witnesses. i will take a circumstance in which case a strong one any day of the week why? because witnesses tend to live to make mistakes and they are fallible and misperceive events. that s what you ve got. the dead son almost testifying that god did it. god did it.because that is on ta right there. and the strategy saying i m a liar and a cook in a drug addict but are not a murderer even going as far as to say that i did not kill maggie, i did not kill paul, and i would never hurt maggie. and i d never hurt paul even under any circumstances. and i have a very hard time i don t know maybe is the ray ellis race of people, catholic guilt, when they do something wrong in my heart i know i m wrong. he went there day after day after day on the stand 30 to 65 lying his teeth. and he did it in the minds of many commentators convincingly what was your thought? i didn t think he was convincing at all. and made 30 of these homicide, the minute the defendant takes the stand, everything else becomes less important. on the circumstance circumstance of a nation in the case and the fact that there was a blood splatter on him all of that becomes unimportant. the jury looks him in the eye and says do i believe this man? and as soon as i saw them take this and i predicted that they would be a conviction. and i that it also and also taken the stand and makes it much harder to win an appeal. like i said i ve done this a little one a lot of cases. but when you take the stand they say even if there are areas that they were harmless errors because the reason because of the conviction with the taking of the stand. so, i believe that the lawyers probably did not want to take the stand. because i know there again going to have o.j. on and i was one of the lawyers in the record said that he wanted to take this pain. and his lawyers who worked very hard to persuade him and anthony bailey who also to take the stance not to take this bank so that we could focus on the circumstantial nature of the case which the jury listened to. but as o.j. simpson had taken this pain nobody would ve cared about the dna in the bloodstains none of that. people would have just said duly believe o.j. simpson? and that would have produced a different verdict were not sure but let s not celebrate the justice done in south carolina, my wife columns from there in fact, believe don t know what the justice was done, only knows the good lord only know that the processing to work and there ve been many other cases that have been conviction sent everybody knew he was guilty, and then on the second trial the jury found a menacing immediately so, this is not over. this is something that is going on that will be had appeal and the appeal will probably lose 95% of appeals lose probably 97% below the defendant takes the witness stand. so probably he s got to spend the rest of his life in prison. and i remember you did work on the o.j. case, and i bet if i ask if you believe he is innocent and still looking for the real killer is on the golf course, you probably lance emma wright professor you know, i want what met with him he became prime minister and he said to me did o.j. do it? and he i said does bb have nuclear weapons? silly thought have our secrets. i understand a mutual task you know there is something greg that i think your column up preactually touched on it as well. and that is there is a hail mary pass. but there s also that one jury, that one person that may be had a preconceived notion in their mind about the family and how prominent the family wise. and maybe would fight back and hold out then you end up with a hung jury. and they seem like that s what they were playing for. and probably overestimated his skill as an attorney and thought he could talk his way out of it. it seemed like the jury didn t buy any of it. right. when all the facts are against you, you will likely know that your client is guilty but what you look for is one naive or gullible jury that you can fool. that you could con. and i think that was going through alec myrdal s mind when he decided to take the witness stand. i had con so many people most of my professional life and i can con the jury. but in the end, he did include an improbable problem i think was that it wasn t just the cell phone, because he claimed to police that he went over to the bodies touch them, one of to his son and then had a vivid try to lift them up and turn it over cell phone popped up tries to put her back in but he would ve had blood on him. shoes were to be covered with blood because there were pools of blood. and yet, he didn t have any of that. so the fear of the prosecution, and a good plan is, he committed to murders, went back to the main house, cleaned off, to foreclose, and he just disposed of his blood he calls in the murder weapon. which by the way, is pretty easy to do just asked o.j. wow. i think we could have a long special just between gregg jarrett and professor dershowitz on that case. but i have very strong feelings about that too. great jake professor think you both and we really appreciate doing with us thank you. number for the verdict you were not to leave who weighed in on the murder speaking of which, and that is right, o.j. simpson. welcome. i watched him take the stand, and i thought it was probably a mistake because the guy is an admitted liar. and it s hard for me to think he could be in the stand for five or six or seven or eight days. without lying. of course the question is what he lied about, but lying, stealing money is a little different than murder. i, i realize and watching them testify what he was doing. just trying to relate it wanted to jury that he was a little boy and one of them. and i m not sure he didn t succeed. in doing that. wow. did anyone here believe o.j.? no. yeah he was in on the golf course looking for the row colors by the way he looked like he was in the living room somewhere but anyway, i m not trying to be slipping here because because we talk about people s lives in life is precious. give us a reaction fox news contributor leo 2.0 terrell who by the way, new o.j. simpson. noon for a long time. and also joining us form a homicide suspect effective and trial attorney would learn with us, neil, if i ask about o.j. get a reply. peace and take off your mind? get off the set? because you did do that once or twice when you allele 1.0. i don t recall doing that. i am in the same position but thank you for having me. as a saint s agenda alan dershowitz. and not in the same position as alan dershowitz. get your take on it, your lawyers well and you watch this, he was interested to listen to, to some people and everybody kept complementing you know alex on the stand and saying how smooth he was in his background of the prosecutor and an attorney and they could not shaken so they said trying seemingly handsome man and then obviously trying to appeal to one or two of the jury s really not successful what you think of those people who are saying he is not being shaken at all the others prosecutor? end they were wrong, let me tell you right now, i say this on a local radio show that i do in los angeles those defensive chinese debit off all these national programs, the field of public they owe them an apology because what they did not realize is that they were looking at it from the prism of what they would do, and what those juries looked at sean days are very keen jury structure. it s also jury that if you do not believe the witness, if you think a witness is lying, you can disregard everything and here she says and that s why this jury came back so quickly. i found it amazing that some of these defense attorneys one on the year and kept claiming that alex was fantastic. the prosecutors did a bad job. the jury got it. alex merritt off as a professional liar and the jury would look through that and that s why they came back so quickly with the guilty verdict. they jury normally get to write most of the time. and lawyers who are participating not in the courtroom, didn t see with the juror saw. the makoto tay williams, you ve investigated a lot of cases over the years and homicide cases, and very different set of circumstances in this particular case. i found a pretty fascinating, and brought is he is on tape, and tenant police he wasn t in the kennel. in the month that if passed, as bill hemmer articulated early in the program, they were able to capture a fondly open the cell phone of the sun. in a program called snapchat. and what do we hear but the voice of the father that denied being in the kennel moments before the murder. i don t know how you could ve come to any other verdict just based on that. well, i certainly agree with you. i think in this instance, you have paul and maggie speaking out from the grays. derrick davis idiot, this cold-blooded, this person thought that maggie knew, this person who paul thought he knew, wand up killing them and they were screaming from the grave, he was guilty. and i think the jury, they could hear the screams from the grays. sean, this band whole life, it was built on a house overlying cards. he lied about his financial situation, lied about the insurance money, he went over to visit his mother, he lied about being in this kennel, lied to the caregiver, lied on his behalf try to have the caregiver lie in his behalf, the one thing that i think that this also helped the jury to help convict him was that he lie to the jury. do you remember when he was on the stand and said that he had been given authorization by an insurer to put the blue light soon. but then they got on the stand and said no. i never gave him information. so i think, when you look at all of the evidence, that was put together here by the state of south carolina, you find that they put a good case on. now i just heard leo talk about lawyers who came on and talked about alex on the stem. i was one of those lawyers, and i think he did a good job on the stand. but, he didn t convict the jury. he is a lawyer, he knew about what he wanted to say, in our times i thought he talked too much but, i thought he was somewhat convincing. but he could ve very well swayed one jury, but i believe that before that jury, and even into deliberate, that day as individuals had made up their mind. that this man was a cold-blooded killer. and if she lied about other things in his life he was lying about this and he had lied to them and they couldn t accept it and they came to write verdict of a leash on. rebecca, if 2004, they wrote a book and they call it deliverance from evil, when i was on tour i would say that it is very, very hard for good people to conceive of real evil. we are talking about, we get to the nuts and bolts of this case, this guy, killed his wife. this guy killed his own son, and this guy then goes on the stand as if nothing had happened and some i was able to compartmentalize in his own mind. in heart and soul. an excuse and a light. and arrogantly perhaps thought that he could convince the jury that he was right. but it is very how do you possibly what goes wrong and people? i was learning anything about what goes through a murderer is mine. one evil takes over their heart, you can murder your son. and murder your child. and murder your wife you know? how does that happen? i think that this man was evil for a very long time sean. he doesn t even react. he wasn t flinching with certain questions and then he would cry, a calling song pol pot there s no evidence he spoke to paul park. his son s name was paul but when he was on the stand, he started crying. it was completely inactive. and i was on fox & friends last weekend, and i said well, he thinks in his arrogant way that is going to convince one of these juries but the reality is the time frame just as everyone had said so far, time frame here just did him in. he was on a snapchat video. he was in the kennel, the dog was placed back in the kennel, great point by ensley, but no one else will put the cat dog back in the kennel. no one else s voice was on the snapchat for his. he went to his mother s house and got rid of all of the clothing, and the murder weapon sure, and came back, and then made a cold-blooded call to normal one. he had no hope no shame. it had no no hurry. he killed his wife and his ch child. he is there is nothing left there. they didn t seek the death penalty, but he will spend the rest of his life in prison. where he belongs. leo, what he could think of o.j. langley on this? i know you know him. but you don t have to go into great detail but would you think? okay, i mean he s o.j. likes a given opinion on different structures i m not surprised to give an opinion because i think the fact that he express an opinion on this case, you know, the opinion is worth two senses like everyone else s opinion i just think the analysis is very critical for the viewers to know what actually goes on in a courtroom. but o.j. given opinion not surprised by it. he just likes to talk. lisa stockton? [silence] [laughter] i think leo 1.0 just return. i ll leave it there. leo think you will be it rebecca thank you take think you ll. last week alex son buster took the stand and give this emotional testimony about learning that his brother and mother had been murdered. he was there every day seemingly behind the father watching this whole thing unfold in the whole story and the whole song about. in the death of his brother in the death of his mother. see what he said? my dad called me, and i can t remember the exact time. but it was later. and, heat called me on the phone, and he asked me if i was sitting down. and i said yeah. and then he sounded on, then he told me that my mom and my brother had been shot. and when you ve got there? did you see your? yes, sir. what kind of condition was the end? demeanor questioning demeanor was well he wished destroyed and heartbroken. i walked in the door and saw h him, and i gave him a halt. he was just broken down. could he speak? not really. was he crying? yes two the reaction of the attorney general, former white house chief of staff and attorney in his own right and writes previously which is. you know pam, i watch that and paid very close attention we haven t really discussed but i watched a netflix series and there was another one a novel and i watched. and, i was very revealing, but they had the other son involves an ability accident and the efforts by the family with their prominence and their connections especially in the legal world, to cover up in that particular instance where a young woman was killed as a result of driving the boat drunk. yes. sean, this defendant, have been tried so many homicide cases, the least sympathetic defendant are the smartest ones. in this guide manipulated his living son, planning to testify in his favor, but these prosecutors were laser focused. and they had an audience of 12. in those juries, and english just told us what it s like being from south carolina. this guy could not art smart his fellow citizens of south carolina. and if you think about it, on the cross-examination they did a great job, and they let them go on and they let them talk and they chipped away at him. he is a great lawyer and knows how to try a case in these present travelers. and he reach multimillion dollar verdicts. and he looks people in the eyes and lungs in them if you still the money. just where he did to those juries. and they work and apply it, and they sent a very, very strong message my only being out in less than three hours and saying you re guilty and we don t believe you. that is so important because they said earlier too, he cried on q&as demeanor was so important and yet if you go back and look at that video, and i do happen, if you are a greeting spouse, or a grieving father, he would be hysterical. you ll be saying take my blood and take my dna and anything they can do to help solve this and eliminated as a suspect. and help solve the homicide validity do? trying to call a lawyer. and so the jury didn t buy it, and it did a great job and the people of south carolina should be very, very, very proud tonight. and i will tell you, therapy but there very critical of the prosecutor but i was not. i knew what the prosecutor was doing. he was unrelenting and staying on topic and staying focused and going over it again and again and again. and thank goodness he did. because you know this is really important. ryan mcwood to you and ask you, also lawyer yourself, watching this case, what stood out in your mind and what was the pivotal moment and do you see it the way most people have seem to see it and that is lying to the police, then being found out to be a liar because of a snapchat that showed up months later? yes, so many great fonts on the show here are many, but one of the things i thought about right away that when they decided or when alex ramart decided to take the stand. he essentially took all the focus off of his alibi which was the two shooters, and that was their defense. and that was almost ignored further latter part of the entire trial. and then the child became a character child of alec alex murdaugh. anna perry mason move it. among all the other lies, the money, the drugs, the housekeeper, the clients. betraying his family, betraying his law partners, and the perry mason moment which was, he lied about being on the murder scene. while lying about being at the murder scene if he had nothing to hide. and then he lied and told his housekeeper, the caretaker, his mother to lie about how long he spent at his mother s house when he went to visit her he told the housekeeper to tell the authorities not only that you took, that i was here twice as long as i was, but also he set the a good word in for him. you know and then he got caught. when maggie cell phone was discovered on the side of the street. and it was discovered in the cell phone data that is card slowed down right at the exact spot that the cell phone was and then he sped off 50 plus miles an hour, after that. so this became, a trial of this guy s character and there was nothing, the blue lights, every part of his life, the boating accident, everything was alive. and as leo mentioned, the alex simmons law, about lying and that when you learn about one thing, the generation sums they can presume lies about everything else if the one thing. and falls on everything. and it s just a horrible child a giddy and interesting 11/20, the elites and the guy didn t cry on cue was when the guilty verdict was right. no tears, no motion, that was the real alex murdaugh. when that verdict was read. that is a great observation lawrence thank you. thank you all we appreciate both you being here. here is one unanswered for the trial, and bill hemmer and i went down this road and i ll bring him back in and the second on this, but where are the two guns that we used to commit the heinous evil murders? to date they ve never been found? were those guns? back with us is nancy grace, and i have an answer to this maybe we are in agreement bill, why do we find those two guns? well, because he hit them. what a lot of people don t get is that these two weapons, the shotgun and a 300 block out with two murder weapons, where his weapons. but they never found them how did they know that, because when you expel a cartridge, when you shoot ecologic cycles through, a marcus left on the cartridge unlike any other. so, when the police did a great job in this case in the area this fall and other cartridges insult an end then match them and they realize that they all match. so it was a family weapon. and they think one day the guns will be found, maybe not in our lifetime may be down the river were hidden somewhere around that tract of land. and she let me bring bill back in bill hemmer back in with and let s ask about it because i thought i had the same thing that you heard that they modify one of them? yes i will refer to the judge and answer on this, was my understanding that at ar-15 was not found. but the other weapon was. yes. and had they found it would ve made it a lot easier right? for example there was no physical but this was a circumstantial case. but it does not matter. because the truth is, every circumstantial case involves pieces that you put together. where when you come to the conclusion that is so inescapable they must convict. one of the most important things that people are missing, is that this is the old-fashioned motives and means of opportunity. he had the motive, money from the old cases, the money was about to lose because of megan s son. and then, he had the means and opportunity. everything that he been talking about, but for the fact sean, but the fact that this morning there was one jury dismissed we might be having a totally different conversation. because that one juror who was dismissed was saying something positive and talk about the case that wittingly newer to the benefit of the defense attorney. he would have been dealing with the hung child tonight. but i don t know if it s god willing what it is, but he came out that he was talking about it, and it put an alternate end. and then explain. you mentioned earlier tonight, then he only had one more the only had two alternates for the whole trial. james lee, you grew up in columbia, south carolina, my phone is blowing up and has been going up since the verdict came out from friends of mine at south carolina i can only imagine that on amount of voluminous amount of emails and text that you must be getting. oh, my gosh, in fact one person wrote tonight and i said i feel so bad for buster because he lost his mom and his brother brister and he can escape the name any of that bright red hair and nice friend john marvin that his last name was alex murdaugh. in this one man has destroyed years of years of legacies and generations. and what also gets me is that i am wondering how much the parents enabled their son paul. when it comes to the boating accident, the dead alex murdaugh they all showed up at the hospital and his grandfather, if you watch one of the documentaries you can see the video from inside the hospital and wiggle room to room seven killed those on the boats and they say keep your mouth shut don t say anything about her son was much of the boat and i think it was his friend. they all said no. it wasn t. it was paul. we tried to drive the boat but you can reason with paul when he drank too much he was going to be his where the highway and his phone was not able to drive. they all try to drive the boat but alex middaugh said that in one of the documentaries it says how is paul and the girlfriend i drove in the car he s drunk and goes on a ditch and she s calling 911. and paul grabs the phone from her and calls his mom. alec maggie and the grandfather come to the seating they say we would take care of it and didn t even check on the girl. or how we were doing they immediately got rid of the beer cans in the guns of the back of paul s car and they cleaned up the mess. there were always cleaning it all up and they have the means to do it. and then when he said that he lied because of the drugs, what was the word to use? the drugs made in paranoid, and i didn t trust the state law enforcement division, or the prosecutor but do you really believe that? a man and all of the documentaries we have watched, he knew everyone in every scene in every crime scene he knew everyone and every accident he knew them by name. i watch all the same documentaries that you did, and you re right about the boat incident, and you re right about the car accident, income the parents, you know, if your kid gets in trouble, you do not use every connection you have to get them out of trouble. the stock to help them. and you are right. because my dad would say don t call me. if you end up in jail. but a young girl die. a beautiful young girl. i know, and you know watching this in south carolina s estate will be or go to church on sundays, and i m wondering not once did you hear them say, i am so sorry, may god forgive me or, in the situation saying i m so sorry your daughter died. my son was driving it, we will pay you money and my son will work for your family for the rest of his life, doing whatever they can. isn t that what i was trying to talk about earlier in that it is it s very hard for good people to relate to people who are simply evil. they don t have a conscious, or heart, or soul. and his only mode is his default is to lie and to lie at a high level. okay i can admit that i m a liar and a crook. i think it s funny that you ve heard a lot of from a lot of endless over the week trying to give him an alibi. try to give them a chance. and you mention o.j. simpson and we were closing arguments this morning and jim griffin who is the other attorney and this was the older defense john is that they were for impressions around the kennel and he did not inspect them, and there was no dna taken from the clothing of maggie and paul. he had clutched in her hand and those never examined. and i was one of the few times that we heard that but none of that mattered because the jury was not employed in their argument. no they were done. and the saddest part of all of this, is that maggie is married to a man who said he loved and probably that they will honor you and obey you but maggie had to watch paul being shot. and she knew her husband did that. and then it came to her. and i mean any shooter five times? yes five times five times in the chest and in the head. and then her five times. but the horror that that mother, who was married to a guy who said he love her forever, she watched and killed her baby, ma and the horror is the day. and in the end, she deserves nos no mercy. whoever heard of sentences in a double hung to decide occurring in the 12 hours of the verdict. do we need any more time? no. i really i had to little bit because of the innocence project and what they found. people convicted of murder, but years later with dna technology advancement, they find people innocent. and unless those videotapes, i backed off my very strong former position of the death penalty, thinking how messy a video, otherwise in case they make a mistake, but you know, bill you made a great point, i think were going to have a lot more of these cases. oh, yes. yes, the money pay attention to loss across the country and find it. towards the end of june there is a pretrial hearing that is scheduled in idaho. him they are ready they re presenting evidence and they may be a witness is presented during this two to five day. -day period. and the status cannot present the tracks of this killer who crossed the state lines from washington, and holly scott of the house, and when he did it in no event will be traced back to him. yes, and if i had to guess is that hundreds or thousands of text messages from south carolina? probably thousands. how about sean, the one guess he finds, alan dershowitz, his wife is from his town. and the population 5,300. you need to give them credit though. there is a bible verse, job 48, those who plot evil and those who sociable replay. and you do reap what you sel. leeches have to wonder how do somebody s heart that this goal? in this dark? in this evil? they kill your son, and your daughter, maybe even gloria the