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Specific questions on question by question basis but that may not be the kind o show that jim jordan is lookin for. >> that was my point last night, barbara, was that the judge' opinion, i found startling and it's rhetorical excess trumpia like rhetorical excess but the actual legal point where she landed seeme perfectly, reasonably argued if you just subtract all tha crazy rhetoric she added i there. i was always one who believes, let's send witness in to the committee, including by the way, jim jordan when he was subpoenaed and if you have objections t questions, just take them question by q...

As i said last week, i believe is also unconstitutional. >> joining me now is former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. and hugo lowell, investigations reporter for the guardian. , hugo let start with you. we're gonna start right. there you write a piece for the guardian where you plainly state that pants may be able to succeed in court by hiding behind the speech and debate clause. , briefly explain to our viewers why you think that is possible. >> look, pence is not going to just go after the subpoena, according to our reporting he is going to go before the grand jury and assert his debate ...

In need of abortions, tomorrow, the next day, whenever this ruling is handed down, what are the options? and what does your group suggest people do? i mean, is now the time to start stocking up on mifepristone? i mean, what are the options for people who are terrified hearing this news. >> that's a great question, alex. and i want to point out that already, right now, in the united states, there is a whole bunch of people that don't have access to abortion right now. so, for these folks and for people, if this judge's ruling happens, we know that there are alternate sources that are supplied, ...

January 6th, while he was acting as president of the senate and certifying the vote, it certainly does apply to everything within his knowledge about the events of january 6th. so, i think jack smith will prevail here. and i think it will result in some delay. but, you know, the court seemed to be moving rapidly on some of these privilege claims, and so, one hopes that they can get mike pence before the grand jury and short notice. >> yes, i'll read a little bit of the luttig op-ed, the courts quickly disposed of senator lindsey graham's speech or debate clause, claim requiring him to testify ...

Competent, questioning your ability to serve in congress. there's a lot to say about this. but for those who have -- who did not hear your initial push back on the contention that the businessman in question, mr. or ng, is an agent of chinese intelligence. can you explain why you are confident that he should serve in the position that president biden appointed him to? >> dominic ng is an icon in the ap i community. he brought this back from a time when it was very small, and when there was such intercessory to be able to have loans for the local asian american community, to a nationwide bank. ...