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doug. >> you know, wherever you stand on climate change, i think most of the climate change agenda, i'm just going to say it, is a hoax. i'm going to call that what it is. >> a hoax, calling it, he says what it is. can that small number of deniers continue and are you worried they'll continue to have an impact on policy that, as you've pointed out, many people believe needs to change and fast? >> i do worry about that, that type of irresponsible comment, the hoax word is still being applied to this. in 1960, when john f. kennedy was president and running for president, "time" magazine picked their scientist as people of the year. suddenly now, with a group of hard right conservatives, they act like science doesn't matter. they can make up their own facts and data. they don't want to listen to the experts. no president has done a great
to health problems. diabetes, hypertension, come on. and he knows eating right improves your health. why the change? well, looks like he was rolled by the fat lobby. and the fat lobby couldn't be happier about it. >> as the chair of the national association to advance fat acceptance, and co-founder of the campaign for size freedom, i am so thrilled at the example that new york city is setting today. >> jesse: so i guess science doesn't matter when you are trying to be as inclusive as possible. next, smoking gun text messages just dropped from hunter's laptop. and they point right to the big guy. ♪ ♪ ready to feel what it's like? when you can du more with less asthma. it's possible with dupixent. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on treatment for specific types
deregulation." it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, "stuff the science" — the science doesn't matter. well, listen, in regard - to the minister meeting at that time, i continue to- have the same position. the fact is that brazil has a lot of bureaucracy, - regulations that should be - reduced, rationalised and other things, and what i said at that ministry was "let's take - "advantage on the fact that we can do things. "without passing in congress at that time," because at - time, we had a president. of the chamber completely against the government. so, therefore, everything that we tried to pass - in congress were not be approved. - yes, but i think viviane�*s — viviane�*s question is different, and it was that if you look at the record, that you cut the funding, the university funding into science and agriculture, research linked to agribusiness, you — president bolsonaro fired the head of the space research
the science doesn't matter. well, listen, in regard i to the minister meeting at that time, i continue - to have the same position. the fact is that brazil has a lot of bureaucracy, - regulations that should be reduced, rationalised and other things, - and what i said at that ministry was "let's take advantage - on the fact that we can do things . without passing in congress at that time," because at that time, - we had a president of the chamber completely against the government. so, therefore, everything - that we tried to pass in congress were not being approved. yes, but i think viviane�*s — viviane�*s question is different, and it was that if you look at the record, that you cut the funding, the university funding into science and agriculture, research linked to agribusiness, you — president bolsonaro fired the head of the space research agency when he didn't like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister
way, good way to go forward. if we don't tackle disinformation, we are actually eroding trust in our institutions, what makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that's serious. and viviane�*s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for — regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i'm sure many in the audience — yes, your eyes are going up — they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, "let's exploit the pandemic, people are preoccupied by it, and we can push through some environmental deregulation." it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, "stuff the science" —
if we don't tackle disinformation, we are actually eroding trust in our institutions, what makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that's serious. and viviane�*s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for — regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i'm sure many in the audience — yes, your eyes are going up — they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, "let's exploit the pandemic, people are preoccupied by it, and we can push through some environmental deregulation." it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, "stuff the science" — the science doesn't matter.
what makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that's serious. and viviane�*s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say, you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for — regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i'm sure many in the audience — yes, your eyes are going up — they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, "let's exploit the pandemic, people are preoccupied by it, and we can push through some environmental deregulation." it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, "stuff the science" — the science doesn't matter. well, listen, in regard i to the minister meeting at that time, i continue - to have the same position. the fact is that brazil has a lot of bureaucracy, -