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just a job to provide for myself and his parents, but a career that he enjoyed and more importantly passionate about it even though he spent a lot of hours working, he was always love for his work. we spoke about the law and how he applied the law. he was objective in his determination of the law with courtesy, we areith respect and with the highest professionism. although he worked often, he always took time to spend with me his number one fan and his pamly and friends. he was always there when somebody needed something. when wenjian was not working, he
cared a lot for the chinese community. he wanted to always do his best to help and support. the very community that he was part of wenjian s kind heart loved by his friend and colleagues and our extended family ha isthat is here today. the caring son, a loving husband and a loyal friend. you are an amazing man even though you left us early, but i believe that he will have his loving spirit to continue to look out for us. he will keep an eye over us. wenjian is my hero. we can always count on him.
again, i thank you, my extended family my fam ily of blue for attending today s services, thank you. wen wenjian will always be in my hearts. i love you, i love you forever. [ applause ]
ing breaking news, the ongoing funeral service for new york police detective wenjian liu and you heard the widow, and the two with were married for four month, and gave what is a remarkably brave eulogy about her slain hudzsband and talking about how she was his soulmate and best friend and only son of immigrant, and very, very dedicated to his parents and mot to mention the people of new york city whom he risked his life and then died trying to protect them. there are thousands of people crowding the streets outside the brooklyn funeral home where this service is under way, and the police officers are standing shoulder-to-shoulder and notably some officers did turn their officers as the new york mayor bill de blasio did deliver
a eulogy. inside the drekirector fbi and the police commissioner and as i mentioned, officer liu s widow and his father. and his father did not speak in english, but you did not have to understand the language to feel his pain. it was really a heartbreaking, heartbreaking event. liu and his partner rafael ramos were gunned down december 27th when they were gunned down in their squad car, and we will be joined by miguel marquez who is outside of the funeral services. miguel can you tell us about the scene there among the thousands of men in blue who came all around the country to at tend this funeral. reporter: for the bulk of the entire ceremony there was a
contingent of asian officers just outside of the church here, and we believe that the coffin of officer liu is coming out soon and nypd officer did come up and ask whether we will be broadcasting live or speaking at that time, and that is something that they want to keep very somber event here to honor this police officer as his casket moves towards its final resting place. with the are regard to the police officers turning their back here in front of the funeral home there were zero. no police officers who turned their back. just down from here, on the processional route where the casket will go there with were some police officers who did turn their backs according to our sara ganim who is down tlhere and other producers who saw them but much smaller number than last week, and the police commissioner asking by memo to
the police force that it was not an appropriate thing to do. that it is a time for grieving and not grievance and that when they turned their back on the mayor during officer ramos funeral last week they did no valor to the officer s sacrifice and honor of his job in doing so. so he has asked them not to do it now. you can see now the police officers are lining up now. this is the ceremonial unit of the nypd lining up in order to receive the body the casket of officer liu. we expect to see that coming out of here shortly. it looks like they may be slightly ahead of schedule and though it is a little unclear that the family did arrive an hour before the ceremony began and several speakers to listen to his father speak, and i don t speak cantonese, but to listen to him speaking and trying to
get through the words and emotion, and it was hard to watch that. this was meant to go for another hour and he may be coming out soon. the ceremony they had in there was a lot of individuals bringing food to the location of the casket and also burning pieces of paper or cardboard to symbolize things from the physical word the food and those symbol ss are things that officer liu in the buddhist tradition would take on to the next life. dana? miguel i agree with you to watch his father to lose any child is just defy sies the laws of nature, but to lose your only son as he did is just words just can t can express how much grief he must be feeling right now. thank you very much and stand by us miguel because we want to go to cnn correspondent sarah
again mim who ganim who is outside of the funeral home. can you hear me? yes, it is dana bash sarah, and can you hear us? we are having trouble getting her ifp working, and we will go inside of the studio to tom fuentes, and you are a law enforcement analyst, but also a cop on the beat where you started outside of chicago for six years. and for those of us who have never served or had the honor of serving, talk about what is it like, and what has drawn thousands of people around the country including towns like chicago for this funeral? well to understand police officers it helps to have been one and having been in the life of a police officer. it is not a job but a way of life and not just for you, but the family. it is what has been carried
through for the ramos and liu families they have to live with the life and the fear and the threat, and i know my mother who had passed away now, she had a husband and two sons who were police officers at the same time, and she had this worry every day. i cannot imagine. i cannot imagine. the koncontroversy about what these officers faced when it came to racial protests and some of the protests getting personal when it came to the police officers after the killings in ferguson missouri of black teenagers in new york city. as somebody who has bp on the street and been on the beat what strikes you when you see all of this? what strikes me is that the one message that people don t really realize and the one thing about being a police officer is that you realize in the entire
criminal justice system, and in the entire medical system and the entire community leader ss, the police officer deals with the victim. the victims die in your arms and the victims die in the ambulance with you in the hospital or in the surgery at the hospital after they have been shot is or stabbed or involved in a terrible accident and it is the police and there is an image that the police have no empathy or sympathy for the members of the public and in the arereality, they have more. the hardened exterior to cope with that is the fact that the police see itt everyday. if the they have animosity, and the the guys carrying the guns in the community, and the gang-bangers gunning down other members, it is because they are seeing the the people shot by the gangs, and the people victimized by the crime. absolutely. so i want to turn back to the scene so that the viewers know what we are look ging at, the
funeral just concluded, and we are watching the sea of blue police officers from all over there, and you will see the color guard getting ready, and looks like we are waiting for the casket to come out to take wen wenjian liu to his final resting place. miguel marquez is there. these funerals are so tough to watch and to see this brotherhood and sisterhood to come together. if you can pan over here, ricky, this is the ceremonial unit inside of the funeral home. they are now lining up outside of the funeral home and the co color guard with the u.s. flag the new york citying in ing inand the nypd flag are going to line up in front of the hearse that will take detective liu to his final resting place. the level of mourning and the
sense of the sol lumemn nature of what is happening here is unmistakable. what we saw here today is a service that we are not accustomed to and to hear his father speak in cantonese, and even though none of us spoke cantonese, it was very clear and the love of his son was very clear. they did some translation afterwards to talk about how his son would heldp him come work in the garment district after his school work and he would call him and very conscientious and good son. the mayor talked about detective liu s love of fishing. and his cousin spoke about, and we all called him wenjian liu, but his family called him joe. it is how they have become an american family in their own
way, and now with the ceremonial unit out of the the funeral home it seems that they are now waiting for the mayor of the other dignitaries and the other director to come out, and then we believe we will see the casket of wenji aan liu come out of the funeral home to make its way. and what miguel is talking about is so true in that what you heard in the eulogies and throughout the service is that people were humanizing him, and he was not a number or a cop on the beat that was killed, but a human being with a family who loved him so much but another thing is what truely american story this is. and so classic new york. and so specific new york you have the son of immigrants coming in and really wanting to be a good american as they called him joe, and looking at
the line of work that he chose. and for many of the immigrant families especially when a son or daughter says that i want to be a police officer, the families coming in from other countries, they say, you can t be a police aufofficer in the united states, and this is the wild west and the rest of america looks at us with our 300 million gun s ins in a population of 320 million looks at us as violence and out of control and the violence on the streets and the wild west atmosphere and so in some ways when they hear that their family members want to be a police officer, they rare terrified, and that is probably why he had to call his dad after every shift to say he is still alive he made him. and i would want my son to call me after his shift everyday too, so i understand.
and we have a sea of oblue and police men from all over the country to attend the funeral, and sara can you tell us what you are seeing? yes, dana this is the procession route, and i have stepped away from the route to be respectful not to disrupt the officers who are lined up to watch the ceremony, but they have lined up here and listened to every single speaker, and tens of thousands is of officers are here to pay their respects. it is not the brightest or the warmest or the driest of days here in brooklyn but they did not come out in any less numbers as they did last week for officer ramos funeral. you heard are from wenjian liu s father who spoke in mandarin and he said that he was so proud of his son to be a member of the nypd and to help the immigrant community when he was not working. and we heard a couple of notable
things prfrom the fbi director james comey and new york mayor bill de blasio and we wondered if there would be an honor of the commissioner to not turn their back on the mayor as he spoke, and we did see some officers turn around and not a majority and not even half of the officers where we were standing, but some. and more than the nypd and some officers who were from out of town who also turned around for the speech. this tepgs between the nypd and the mayor have been growing since the protest in new york, but many of the officers i have spoken to here from nypd and out of town say they don t believe that the funeral for a fallen officer is a place for that. and to give you the idea of how many officers are here this is a sea of blue for nearly a mile and this is how long the route
is for those who want to pay their respects. jetblue flew in more than 1,100 officers from all over the country for free. i have seen badges and vehicles from cincinnati and virginia and connecticut and california and it is a long way to come. i have talked to three officers who came from outside of new orleans and they said it was incredibly important for them to be here for this, and not to show support for the fallen officer, but also because they feel that they do still get the re respect and earn the respect of the majority of the nation, and they wanted to show that to the world by coming here to this funeral, and just another note dana about security here because it is not just police officers, but it is a lot of the communities here in the streets, and we are seeing the patrols on the roofs, and canine units and helicopters and many of the units are blocked off on the
procession route where the casket is going to be driven down to the cemetery. it is not the only roadblocked off here. they are making sure that it is a safe place for them to hold this ceremony and to hold a proper funeral for one of their fallen. dana. thank you and great the information and color there. i should mention that as you were speaking sara we saw some of the congressional delegation exiting the funeral home there. is another one, peter king, the republican from new york coming out, and some other well known republicans, charlie rangel and congressman joe crowley who was on the show earlier today whose father and grandfather who were both new york city police officers and so we are watching the dignitaries come out, and that probably means not too far behind will be the casket of the slain officer, and while we are watching that i want to turn back to tom fuentes.
and you heard sara talking about despite the commissioner bill bratton asking the rank and file not the turn their backs, some did. she reported very important to note that it was not the number that it was at rafael ramos funeral, but it happen ded nonetheless from a treatise from their leader because it detracts from the respects of their fallen comrade. and tom, what do you make of that as a former officer? i think they should not have done it in my opinion, it is not the time or place as mentioned by commissioner bratton. and i thought that commissioner bratton s request to not do it and he said that he would not discipline any officers and no repercussions that way, and he requested it as a fellow officer, and he was a fellow officer in the 1970s when we were pigs and spit on and he
thought that police officers out there out of respect for him, and despite the feelings for the mayor which are neg thetive and deep, but out of respect for him, they might honor that respect. and let me play the devil s advocate they defect the freedom of speech everyday and why shouldn t they have their freedom of speech? why shouldn t they display their ainge anger if they are angry? they should, but by doing it today, they are talking about that instead of the great life of officer ramos, and their parents, and the other great officers in the world, and talk act this issue and that is the reason enough not to do it. i get that. and the big picture, and the years you were a cop? yes, in illinois, and 1970 to 1973 when i became a member of the fbi. and racial issues have
changed since then, and society has changed since then but is this something that the police force focus odd n? absolutely. the idea that when people say we need community policing. they have had community policing. my father was a police officer and it was a kid going with him to community events and chaperoning field trips and dances and all of that and i was 1 years old when he was a police officer, and the idea that the police need to get into the community and work them, and when you talk about what officer liu and ramos did in their communities tashgs i are a part of that as well as thousands of nypd officers engaged everyday in their community and in the neighborhoods talking to the people trying to help in the policing that they are doing. i the think that is part of what the police are upset about with the public rhetoric that they have not done community policing or they need training because they don t know how to talk to people. police aufofficers have a phd in
street psychology and if they don t talk to somebody properly it is because they don t want to and not because they don t know how. it is not because they need to take classes on wrestling, because the modern police officer has to be a wrestler and telling somebody they are under arrest and the person won t comply that is not going to cut it. and the rhetoric about policing needs to be that we need to have a discussion and not accusations back and forth by sound bite. and on that note, we need to return to the solemnity of this moment and hopefully we can see another picture of the sea of blue because it is powerful and poignant. and there it is. and before we go to t rehe reporters in the sea, tom, as a former police officer, yourself and what goes through your mind as you see that e remarkable scene. the brother 450d and the sisterhood of law enforcement, and why it is close, and why the remind minder of it. 115 police officers have died in
the line of duty this year, and it is because of the recent amount of public discussion that has been so negative about policingch that is actually contributing to the police officers wanting to travel from california and canada and new orleans to come to be a part of this because they realize that they need to show the solidarity of being in the profession and calling together. well, it is looking like solidarity and achieving that by looking at the pictures. miguel marquez, i want to bring you back in, and listening to tom fuentes and being a police officer, and looking at the police officers from all over the country, and i would believe that is the sentiment that you are seeing there on the ground? yes, it sis, and i can see a half mile down and you can see a fine line of blue all of the way down. they have created just enough space in the very wide street so that the funeral cortege can make its way down that way.
the mayor is speakingt that funeral in a personal way about detective liu. also this attack on both detective liu and ramos was not just an attack on two individuals, but it was an attack on the city of new york. the police work the police department being the bedrock of civil society, and the necessity to honor police officers and to have a good relationship between the political set and the police set. so my sense is that the rancor that we have seen in the recent weeks, and the anger in recent weeks h will find ss will find a newer and bet better level, and we have seen in the last half hour not only dignities, but police officer s to come out of the funeral home, and we expect to see the casket of detective liu to emerge shortly for the final ride to
its final resting place. and miguel, you have sort of been experiencing the whiplash of emotions there in new york city and now more the past couple of weeks, because of the assassination of these two police officers but then just prior to that the anger at the justice system and in many ways, the cops that we have heard, but the justice system because eric garner who was now everybody knows was killed during an arrest after he was trying to illegally sell cigarettes and the uproar about no indictments about that. that is the ancillary and i have logged many miles as they have angrily taken over to the streets here and that is where a lot of the rancor between the
mayor and the nypd comes from. there were beat cops walking alongside the protesters and stopping the traffic to make sure they could be safe and making sure adds they were taking over the streets and the city were safe. governor cuomo said it in his remarks last week probably best there is no better sign of what a great police department that we have that they were at the butt end of the anger of the protesters, and yet, they were protecting their fest first amendment rights while they were taking their abuse at the same time. so that s the sort of stuff that we saw for many, many miles through the streets of new york, and i am sure that those beat officers told their buddies by text and social media and everything else you should hear what they are calling us and hear what they are saying. there is already upset with the mayor before these two officers deaths, but afterward ss, it took it to another level.
and i want to tell you that the towers to tunnels program that offered to pay off the home loans for them and they needed $800,000 and they have $700,000 and so they can almost pay off their home loan ss. and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been raised for these two individuals. for people who felt they were left out in the cold, and bereft and not loved in the city, and last week s funeral, and this week s funeral is showing a different picture. thank you, miguel for the insights and as you were speaking former mayor rudy giuliani is there to pay his respects as well. i want to go back to sara ganim who is there in the crowd, and by way of the context and the background, we have been talking about the new york mayor bill de
blasio and the anger that he has apparently incited among these many of the cops the reason most recently is the reason that he taught his biracial son how to handle whether when he is approached by a police officer, because he would be approached differently, because of the color of his skin. and sara, that is what sparked the people turning their backs on him when he spoke last week and to a much lesser extent just this morning. reporter: that is right, dana and some say it goes back to his opposition of stop and frisk when he was running for mayor. and being here, and not just here for the wake yesterday and the funeral today, but going back a few weeks to the very public memorial site in brooklyn sorry, sara, i am sorry to
interrupt, but i want to tell you that the family and the widow and the father of wenjian liu just exited the funeral home. keep going, i apologize. no, that is okay, dana. the days after were emotions very raw where the members of the community where where the members of the community had marched in the community had marched in the protests and they said this is not the time to criticize the mayor. there was a scene from the memorial and i witnessed it and it was so incredibly powerful where a woman came with a sign for officer ramos young son who said that your father had nothing wrong and she was having a hard time to tape it to the brick wall and officer came up to put it up on the wall and they put it up together and it was representative at the mood of the memorial, because it was interesting at the same time that some of of the police
unions were criticizing the mayor, and now a few weeks remove d removed from here at the funeral here at the wake, and i heard many officers some of them former nypd who work in other departments in other states who had come back for this say, look, it is a political issue, and also a very personal issue for many of the officers but this funeral is not the place for that. and that comes from this feeling that last week at officer ramos funeral, the pictures, the the photographs of the nypd turning their backs on the mayor, those were incredibly powerful pictures, and they changed the narrative of that day away from the funeral, and away from the celebration of his life and towards a more political issue, and people did not want to see that happen again today. and sara i have been in those situation, and it is physically difficult to move around but have you talked to any of the officers who defied commissioner bratton and turned their backs nonetheless?
well shgs, i have not, but dana, from where i am, it was not a whole lot of them around certainly mot the numb lyly not the numbers that we saw last week and in the crowd of about 450 where i can see and count from where i am standing maybe 50, or maybe even less, and then some of them were not nypd at all, and they were officers from other jurisdictions who wanted to make the point that they stand alongside the nypd on this issue, but it wasn t a majority and it was not half. it was a few. and their commissioner william bratton, when he made this plea for them not to do this today, he said look it is not a mandate and i won t discipline anybody over it, but i am asking that this day not become about this conversation that we are having right now, that it become that the narrative stay with officer liu and his family
and the nypd and like i mentioned before when i talked to officers who came in from out of town i did get the feeling that one of the reason ss that they wanted to come was because they wanted to show that solidarity and they wanted to show that they do feel the support of the nation and while this is a personal issue, a lot of them felt that it was an issue for today. thank you, and that is the case for today. for the viewers who are tuning in we are looking at a cold and rainy day in new york city, but one that is not deterring the thousands is of police officers and dignitaries who have come from around the kuncountry to pay their respects to officer wenjian liu who lost his life and killed on desemcember 20th along with his partner rafael ramos. there was an incredibly moving funeral service that included speeches not just from the
dignitaries such as the mayor as we have been discussing or the police commissioner, but hi father who spoke cantonese, and did not speak english, but you did not need to speak that language that to understand the sorrow and the pain of losing his not only son, but his only son and his only child, and then from his widow who he was married to for two months who called him her best friend her soulmate and somebody who really gave his all for not just her and his family but for the city of new york. i want to bring back tom fuentes, and as we look, we are as i mentioned, we heard the ceremony and seeing everybody leave. what we are waiting for right now is for the casket of wenjian liu to exit the funeral home and make its way down to what the reporters on the scene have been describing over a mile of people just lined up on the procession route.
what are your thoughts as we areing at this now? just how moving and solemn and the emotions of the officers are of everyone who is attending this. and you know if any good came from the last two weeks of the funeral s funerals, it is that when you have got to know officer ramos and the family better and officer liu and the family better you realize that they are not just people but great human beings and great people and the things they stood for, they are the best that our society has, and they are police officers. it makes me proud to have been a police officer and fbi agent and 36 years sworn in both positions, and makes me proud that i was one of them. tom i have seen you on our air talking about a lot of really, really horrible things unfortunately over the last couple of years, but this is
personal for you, i can tell. this is so thank you, for doing this and you are bringing a sense of what it is like for those of us who again didn t have the honor to serve can understand. i want to go totoer errol louis and tom verni, and what are your thoughts? well listening to e dedetek detective liu s family and his wife speak, and like you said you don t have to speak the language to know the raw emotion they are channeling. it is unbelievable tragedy that many of us can t wrap our heads around what took place a couple of weeks ago.
i know that as seen earlier on cnn there were a number of nypd officers that did turn their backs when the mayor was speaking, and then when the police commissioner came up to speak they turned back around, so it is important to note that the officers out of respect for commissioner bratton did turn around and for the entire funeral were faced forward. the only time that some of them did turn around is when the mayor was speaking. what do you make of that? well, you have to remember that the police are not allowed to strike here in new york. there is a law that prevents them from striking. they are working pour or five years without a contract, and aside from the political rhetoric that mayor de blasio has come out not only as mayor, but as a candidate when he was running for mayor, and also his comments after the no true bill in staten island for the eric garner incident he has come out in a very anti-nypd specifically
set of rethetoric. and the officers, you can t not take that lightly, because this is somebody that you are working for, and aside from the fact ta they are working for years without a contract which in and upon itself is ridiculous, this is the only way that they have a chance as a group to have a silent protest to show their discomfort with the mayor and disagree with him. they are basically giving him a no confidence vote is what it is coming down to. they don t have any confidence in the mayor to prept them in a favorable light to represent them in a favorable light, and it is not just based on the perception but on the mayor s actions in the last year or two. ander roll and errol, you have covered the police department for many years, and new york city and does this strike you as more raw and
intense than in the past? well, it is unusual, and not more raw. anybody who was around in 1992 when 10,000 cops essentially rioted on the steps of city hall sort of stormed the building and caricatures and that was a time of very high crime. crime is at a historic lows and as tom points out, there are underlying workplace issues that need to be resolved and not by bill de blasio s making and he has been there for one year and five-year no contract is something that he inherited and trying to e negotiate, and for this department to be as upset as they are speaks to the difficulty of changing the culture of the very large, very respected and very proud organization and there is no question that the change is endorsed by the citizens of new york. they voted in bill de blasio for a reason. this is not some side plank or side print in his agenda,
because it is central for what he ran on, and he won in overwhelming votes to make change. and speaking of mayor de blasio blasio he did speak in the funeral in the last hour. i want to play a little bit of what he said. let s listen. detective wenjian liu was a brave man. he walked a path of courage. a path of sacrifice and a path of kindness. this is who he was. and he was taken from us much too soon. i want to go back to you, tom. as a former member of the nypd and as a detective, when you hear the mayor say that does that make you feel more feel better a about the mayor and the tension that we have seen thus far that he is trying hard
obviously to mend the fences? well, it is something that i have not seen in quite a while. i honestly, you know, me, personally, and i think that i speak on behalf of a number of officers, and i can t speak on behalf of the entire department of course but i don t really put a lot of, you know credibility into the words that he came out with. i mean, he is really trying to back pedal as best he can. i think that he knows that on a lot of levels that he, you know spoke, i h think, out of turn and especially after the grand jury made their verdict out of staten island and you can t take back what you said and you can maybe offer the retraction and come back and say, listen maybe i spoke out of turn and maybe not saying that the entire nypd is a bunch of racist storm trooper, because that is what he was saying. what happened in staten island
had nothing to do with the race, and it was an arrest of a career criminal who chose to resist arrest and the officers used physical force to arrest him, and unfortunately result ed ined in that man s death, and that is in part of itself a tragedy. you won t find any officers glad that person died but it is certainly not the result of the officers looking for, and quite frankly, the officers that day were enforcing quality of life law has the mayor and the city council are out there wanting them and demanding they enforce. turning away from the politics for a moment and back to the solemnity of the moment. what we are seeing now, and waiting for casket of wenjian liu to come out, and while we do, i want to come back to remarkable and the brave eulogy that his widow, and the two were married for two months gave
during the funeral ceremony. listen to this. i thank you for sharing this moment with me. with us. with our family. to reflect the goodness of his soul. and the wonderful man that he is. many of you know as joe, especially at work. but to me he is my soulmate. tom, back to you in new york. you know, while you are on the beat, i m guessing as tom fuentes here in the d.c. studio said to me a short while ago, your family is on pins and needles everyday even though things like this don t happen very often, and you are always in the line of fire and it is your duty and what you do? yeah, i had a full head of
hair when i started the police department and for those who have seen me it has taken its toll and i did 22 years in the nypd, and i was a beat cop, and community policing and so the concept of the communeity policing that some people have talked about and maybe trying to e restore here in new york i think it is a fantastic way of policing neighborhoods. it absolutely is. and when it is done correctly, and the nypd unfortunately have lost 7,000 or 8,000 police officers since the time of 9/11 and so the physical bodies that you need to conduct that, it is going to be taking some fancy footwork to reassignment personnel to do that the, but that would be a great way to do that to reconnect with the communities in the city. but either way, whether you are doing the community policing or the narcotics tails or chase canning after gangsters, any time you are walking around, you are a walking target. so until you finish the stint
that you are slated to do whether it is 20 or 25 years in the police department and until you get out and retire do the families breathe a sigh of relief that you are finished and do your duty. i can imagine. miguel marquez, back to you at the scene. we are looking at the two flags from the color guard, and the ceremonial and now they are going up so perhaps we are going to be seeing the the casket coming out soon. but miguel, it is cold can and rainy and still packed with people there. they are not going anywhere, and this is a solid blue mass that want toss to show the support. the rain has been going on, and it has stopped now shgs, and the trumpeters have come out so we expect taps will be played soon. there were a number of things that we learned in the service. the the mayor gave two examples.
clear ly clearly he spent a lot of time with the liu family in the last couple of weeks. clearly a man who loved to fish and when he got a big fish he loved to share it with with the family. and two was the call he went on and there was a call of a man who had fallen and he spoke chinese and when they needed help he would be called in and the man was on the floor and he didn t want to get up or move and liu spent hours with this man and turned out that it was a guy who was elderly and just wanted some company, and liu was more than happy to play along and help this guy up, and those tiny things. and this is a guy who studied accounting but he wanted to become a cop. and he did. bill brotton, the police commissioner spoke about being a cop. he came to the profession late, but the pool was just as strong as someone like brill bratton who joined very, very young. perhaps the most telling sign of this family and the remarkable life was his cousin who said
that we didn t call him wenjian but we called him joe. this is a family that arrived here 20 years ago from china and has become fully american family as we wait for the only son of this family wenjian liu to make his way out of the funeral home here in brooklyn. dana. absolutely heartbreaking to watch and think about. and while we are weight, werare waiting, we want to go to another portion of the funeral home and hear from the new york police commissioner bill bratton and hear what he had to say. officer liu believed in the possibility of making a safer world. all cops do. it is why we do what we do. and it is why we run towards danger when others run away. we believe in the possibility of keeping disorder controlled.
we believe in the possibility of a city free from fear. pretty emotional from him, and at times in watching his speech even somebody who has seen a lot in his many decades on the police forces across the country look like it was hard for him to sort of keep it together understandably given the gravity of the moment and the speech that he had to give for the loss of his rank and file. we are looking at the color guard and the ceremonial moment when wenjian liu s casket comes out of the funeral home to begin a procession in what the re reporters on the scene there have described as remarkable a mile long the sea of people and
not just police officers around the country, but the everyday average new york citizens out there, and sara is out there with the people. sa sara, as they are ready for the moment for the processional and what are you hear prg the people hearing from the people on the street there? reporter: dana i am here with a group of toronto officers who have collected badges from a group of the people here who have handed them out the the members of the community and not souvenirs, but handing them out as a remembrance of the day, a it was a really good moment. it was a great moment to see the officers first of all from so far away and not even part of this country and the united states interacting with the members of the community who came here from far away places who are here to just pay their
respects and as they wait along the procession line, they are exchange, and the worlds are colliding. it was a sweet moment. mostly you know officers are standing out here. and it is driz canzling on and off, and they are waiting along a packed processional line, and they are waiting to pay their respects. off officers are here from all across the country, and more than 1,100 came in on jetblue for free, but i would venture to say that i would take the guess to say that there are more than 1,100 officers here from out of town. i have seen so many with my own eyes from departments across the country, and not just the officers are here dana and something that i have noticed is that i have seen patrol cars from as far away as ohio. i saw a group of sheriff s deputies on motorcycle who clearly came here from cincinnati out of state, and that is showing that they drove
all of this way on the motorcycles to be here today. i have seen the patrol cars from other states as well not as far away as ohio, but there were a group of motorcycle officers from new jersey today traveling in a group. so we have seen a lot of nuggets that sew that this is really a community event, and when i say community i mean not just new york but community of support and community of within new york as well but a lot of moments today that are indicative of why people want to be here. the events in new york in the last couple of weeks, that is part of it. there is a feeling that they need to come here to show support because of the recent events here. that is clear to me. a couple of the officers here who talked to me from out of state and had been members of the nypd prior to leaving the
state told me that they wanted to make it clear that nypd is very diverse, and very diverse and large department. they didn t buy into this idea that there is you know widespread racism. they wanted to come to show and stand alongside their follow officers officers, and show their support because of that reason, and i have to say it is something that is very clear as we stand outside here today. dana, finally, i want to say that it does appear that things are going to be moving along here shortly. as you look down the sea of blue i want to make it clear that this is a very, very long procession line because there is nearly a mile worth of police officers standing here filling up more than half of the street so that they can be here and witness officer wenjian liu s final drive to the final resting place. they are waiting here to pay their final respect ss.
dana? and is sara talked about the solidarity as they say, and they all bleed blue. that is very clear in watching these pictures and these images. solidarity is not just about the local police from new york and around the country, but the federal law enforcement. james coalmymey is the drekirector of the fbi, and he spoke. i was not lucky enough to know detective liu. but i have listened to other people talk about how deeply he cared about being a police officer. and former fbi officer, tom fuentes, why so important for
the director of the fbi to be there to speak? well to let people know that it is an international issue, and he represents the federal law enforcement, and it is more than the thin blue line, because all of the international partners stand together the as well. the fbi is a conduit the rest of the world through the legal at ta attache program, and they can get assistance from each other, and it is a worldwide fraternity and not just within the ud or within the united states or new york. and errol louis, as you look at the pictures the perception of outside of new york city is a rough and tumble place, but when push comes to shove, the new yorkers get together and they hold hands and really there for each other.
i noeknow a lot of the people that we are seeing in these pictures are cops from out of the city but errol, as somebody who has covered new york city, and been a resident of new york city for a long time i m guessing that is probably not a surprise to you? oh no not at all. the thin blue line is pretty thick and long as you can see. i mean, i should mention that my dad is a retired nypd inspector, and my older sister is a retired detective. there are lots and lots of people who have lots and lots of close relationships to the cops. new yorkers are extremely proud of the nypd and it is an important institution in the town. one thing that is important, dana, the protesters who were doing a lot of the black lives matter one of the slogans and organizing all over the country, and they inspired sort of a not quite backlash but a parallel movement, and there were lots of people who have been out there doing their own marches in
surprising number of jurisdictions all over to the country, and from massachusetts to utah, to seattle and everywhere in bewean, these sort of spontaneous citizen rallies in sup role for policing. and one of the central democratic institutions in our country. and as you said your father was or is on the police force, and what is your opinion in
regard to the national racial tensions? well, i called up my dad, and i call him up anyway but i asked him about some of the events and what he thought, and he said that he was surprised that the cops had turned the backs and so forth and he read that as them being ma nup lated by the union relationship in a way that would not have happened in the day. it is fine to be angry with the political leadership and fine to do something about it but you don t do it when you are in uniform, and not because it is the thing to do. these things tend to work themselves out, and his perspective which is valuable is that it ebbs and flows, and the cops get upset about one thing or another, and whether it is creation of the civilian complaint review board which is a hot button issue a generation ago or appointment of the new inspector general which is a recent fight and court fight or the stop and frisk, and now body cameras and other procedural
questions, and it is something that plays out in the public, but it is not supposed to divide the city. as i mentioned here in new york and you have it right up there on the screen there is not so fundamental of a breach that the whole town is going to fall apart. it is the kind of dispute that comes up every so often do we need to tweak it a little bit. my friend tom mentioned eric garner as a career criminal and they would say, he is a guy selling loose cigarettes and trying to scratch outt a living on the wrong side of the law, but you give that guy a ticket a warning. you don t swarm him with six cops and end up killing him, and these are the indkind of fine-tuning questions that need to go on at the the community level. that is where this gets solved andt not so much the politicians. no question, err oshgtsol and as
with we await the casket coming out of the funeral home, i want to get back to the human element here as we are seeing a young man slain in the line of duty. and i want to go to what his cousin officer liu s cousin said about him speaking at his funeral earlier today. he was the most caring and thoughtful cousin that anyone could have. he would go out of his way to make sure that we were always happy and taken care of. he brought pride and honor to our family. he was a role model for many. myself included. and will continue to be. oh. that is just incredible and poignant. miguel marquez is standing outside of the funeral home and he watched the entire funeral, and you are watching the the scene right now, deskribcribe it.
oh, it is always tough to take take, the drum corps has just come up from a side street. they have specialized vehicle that they have filled with the flowers from inside of the funeral home with a badge of the city of new york police department and the drum corps may be the most chilling of everything that will happen today as they march down the street, and the steady beat and the steady dirge as they pass the line of blue. several members from inside of the funeral home have come out, and we expect that things have expected to get going here fair fairly soon. it is very, very difficult to watch. impressive in the mile or so that i can see, all blue.

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tamron hall in the house. craig, thank you so much for not dancing. j.t. is a national treasure. thank you for not dance. are you ready? a new round of new polls, including a new national poll out and one from the battleground state of florida. this is a bloomberg poll. a lot of people talking about it this morning. kellyanne conway forced to defend donald trump s schedule this morning which includes promoting his new hotel before hitting the campaign trail. claiming hillary s plans in syria could spark world war iii. also ahead, hillary clinton finally connecting with millennials. a new survey is out this morning. clinton is speaking this hour in florida. we will bring her comments to you live. plus, arizona sheriff joe arpaio is also a donald trump supporter. he s now been charged with criminal contempt in a case
involving racial profiling. what this means for the man with the nickname america s toughest sheriff. good morning, everyone, i m tamron hall. coming to you live from the msnbc headquarters in new york. here s the state of the presidential race. right now, hillary clinton is about to hold a rally in lake worth, florida. donald trump combines business and politics. trump choosing to attend the grand opening his new hotel in washington, d.c. right now that is happening before he heads to north carolina later this afternoon. a new bloomberg poll i mentioned to you is out this morning. it shows donald trump with a slim two-point lead in florida, a state he even admits he much win. a new monmouth university polls shows trump pulling ahead of secretary clinton in arizona by a single point. both polls within the margin of error. we also had headlines from the trump campaign. trump opening up a new line attack against hillary clinton. telling reuters, quote, you ll
end up with world war iii over syria. his campaign pushing back against a washington post report that trump has all but stopped raising money for the republican party. and as trump heads to the battleground state north carolina today, his running mate hits three key states, nevada, colorado, utah. nbc s hallie jackson. when the whole birther statement was supposed to happen, he convinced the media to show up at his hotel and had this event billed as his acknowledgement president obama was born in the united states. that was a one-line sentence at the very end. this is why the question has come up about is this another stunt and why is he using the 13 day mark here to tout his hotel. is it more important to be business donald trump or try to be the president of this country. he s tripping to have it both ways.
i m glad you brought up the last time. it was for that news conference. the acknowledgement of the fact that president was born in the united states. if you remember, that was something touted as sort of this newsy moment and ended up being an infomercial until trump at the very end quote to the point. basically i think a 45-word sentence. seven words of which wallace the actual news of the day if you will. this is being billed differently. this is being touted by the trump campaign as a ribbon cutting. they re not calling it a campaign event. we are here covering it because it is the republican nominee for president choosing to attend the so-called grand opening of his hotel in washington. it is a significant story in that it is just 13 days until the election. there are some fresh questions from critics about whether this is the best use of donald trump s time. that said, hereby is the argument the campaign is making.
donald trump stops off to unveil an incredible hotel and everybody s hair s on fire. so that was their response. let s get to more of the news here with donald trump saying world war iii could be the next thing this country sees if hillary clinton s syria plan goes into place. we still don t know what donald trump s plan is to deal with isis in syria. the event was set to start at the top of the hour so we re now five minutes past. you talked about the attacks on hillary clinton. in a new interview out with reuters, he took aim with her syria party, arguing she could potentially start world war iii. there have been questions raised even from his own running mate. you also look at his other attack line he s been pushing this week on obamacare. hitting, trying to tie hillary
clinton ton these rate hikes some consumers will see. that is a message we expect him to continue to push through the rest of the campaign. all right, thank you very much. now to the headlines from the clinton campaign, she continues to face fallout from e-mails being released by wikileaks alley from the account of her campaign chairman. this will be the 19th releelgs of e-mails. they ve been coming as you know in batches. a big endorsement. she tweeted overnight she s proud to now have the endorsement of secretary of state colin powell who served under both bushes and president reagan. a survey by harvard shows hillary has expanded her lead over trump with young voters. the number now at 28 points. kacie hunt joins us from florida where secretary clinton is holding an event as she also celebrates her 69th birthday. this new batch of e-mails puts
i do think it s something they re worried will last into a potential clinton administration. whether it s because they re sewing division within their own party because of the things they said about progressives in the primary or whether it s republicans who might be looking to follow up on this once we get clear p clear of this election season. let s talk about secretary powell. we ve seen allegedly e-mails from him. he did not dispute whether they were inaccurate descriptions of hillary clinton. some not so kind words that were leaked out from his e-mails. and now he s endorsing he coming around to seeing her as the better candidate here. that s right. there was clearly some frustration on colin part s part about the fact he felt as though hillary clinton was blaming him for using private e-mail because he of course was one of predecessors and had his own arrangement years before the e-mail system evolved to where secretary clinton was using it
so he s been a little defensive, but he s clearly put that aside telling a lunchen in long island pretty firmly he is on hillary clinton s side, having a lot negative things to say about donald trump. hillary clinton made an appearance on univision s talk show. showing, again, a lighter side. some of that confidence you ve been reporting a lot as far as the tone of the campaign at least at this point. this is her on the very popular show on univision. doing a little salsa dancing which i think you can see there. yeah, no, this is part of their outreach to hispanic voters. acontrols t across the country. in florida, an all important state quite frankly for donald trump. hillary clinton would still win if she doesn t win florida. donald trump not so much, tamron. another example something he would not be able to do considering the huge gap in support appearing on a univision show, not an option. thank you very much, kacie.
good intrigue but i really don t think it s going to move the needle 13 days out from the election. does it, joan, though, amp up some of the tmp support? he saw an opening with this and talked about it on the campaign trail in florida. let me play what donald trump said about these latest hacked e-mails. obama, he had to know that hillary was using an illegal server, but he claimed otherwise. so that means obama is now into the act. and now i understand that despite his hatred of the clintons, because i know one thing, bill hates him, but despite his hatred, now i understand why he pushed her. because he didn t want ton get caught up in the big lie. he s caught up now, folks. again, this is in florida. he s got a slight lead according to bloomberg. how do you process? does this have a staying power? none of those words fit together or made any sense to
me, tamron. not to you but to those people there. i can t speak for those people. the white woman carrying the blacks for trump sign. it s all very confusing. what i will say about what president did or didn t know. tam ron, if you send me an e-mail, i don t know where your server is. i don t know what kind of system you have. she did not send him an e-mail from hillary clinton at. this is my private illegal server. he had no way. that was not proof he had gotten some e-mail, he knew about her server. it s nothing about what he knew about the server. when we look at the electorate, we often hear the statement, it doesn t matter who would run, you d see pretty much a split in this country. the still surprising i think given the awful three weeks donald trump has had. his lack of focus. seemingly on, now, tv, and now this hotel, that it s still a tight race. want to play what a voter in
wyoming told our own jacob soberoff. a part of wyoming county yy in pennsylvania. this is a little glimpse. let s play it. is that your trump sign in front? i have a better one at home. why are there so many trump signs? what is it about that guy? i think he says it as it is. i mean, look at his business. he s a good business man. you going to vote on november 8th? probably not. he s not going to vote. donald trump is a good business man. this man, while rural white male, doesn t fit the stereotype of the older white voter who wants america to be, quote/unquote, great again. but he s not going to show up. is this a result of donald trump s rhetoric in telling his supporters that he s already been defeated in some ways? i think it s very well, actually, it s not very shocking that donald trump is going around saying the election is rigged.
that does have the effect of suppressing voter turnout. also, i think you will see the importance of a ground game is going to come into play. if you haven t had folks out there making multiple contacts with voters and if the people who are supporting you are people who haven t voted in the past, these are folks who need to be, you know, told when to vote, how to vote, where to vote, over and over between. it just doesn t seem like republicans have that ground game prised he said he s not going to vote. first, marie claire has an article that features evangelical voters in iowa who won t admit they want to vote for hillary clinton. there s a headline, the trump supporters who are secretly voting for hillary. one woman says, i don t have the emotional energy to go there especially with other christians. for a long time, the republican party has been viewed as the only acceptable choice. it s just not worth the capital
for me to support clinton in a visible context but secretly these women will go in to vote for hillary clinton. i think that s fascinating. fascinating. i think it is possible we re going to see secret clinton voters whether p rather than these secret trump voters. what i meant by the best for last, megyn kelly/newt gingrich, here it is. if trump is a sexual predator he s not a sexual predator i m not taking a position on it. you cannot defend that statement. people like you using language that s inflammatory that s not true. you want to go back to the tapes your show recently, you are fascinated with sex and you don t care about public policy. me, really? do you want to comment on whether the clinton ticket has a relationship to a sexual predator? we on the kelly file has covered that story as well. i want to hear your words. bill clinton, sexual predator.
i dare you. say bill clinton, sexual predator. evangelical women, all of them, clutching pearls. what happened? i mean, newt gingrich had a complete meltdown. i don t know if it s because he doesn t like it when a one stands up to him and speaks her mind. it was very disturbing to watch. again, we ve seen this pattern oe over and over again of republican men sort of bullying these women and yelling over them and talking over them. and, you know, really the irony of newt gingrich bringing up this topic. really. is that why go back to that marie claire article that some of these evangelical women who say i don t have the patience to argue with it at church but i know what i m going to do. when you have newt gingrich, rudy giuliani, chris christie, as the three men telling them what to do. they re taking this attitude toward women like megyn kelly who are incredibly intelligent, incredibly accomplished. once relatable to conservative women and is herself, you know, on
a conservative station but is still treated like she knows nothing and like she s fascinated by sex. can you think of anything more creepy than to have to talk to newt about sex, i mean, please. nope. please, she s doing her job, and yet she s stigma titzed, she s the one with the sex problem. daniela, thank you, joan walsh as well, thank you. coming up, trump s controversies could cost him a victory in the solid red state of utah, home state to majority of mormons. we ve been talking a lot about utah because it is a reliably red state. up next, we ll talk with a mormon family who says they can t decide between hillary clinton and evan mcmullin who s been rising in the polls. what does that do to trump? plus, live to the battleground state of florida. early voting already smashing numbers from 2012 but exactly who is turning out? we have some new insight for you to digest. that s next. an opening nightn broadway is kind omac. i m beowulf boritt and m a broadw set digner.
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hillary clinton will be having an event later this afternoon. people coming to polling stations like this one ton my right if you can catch it here behind this car. there are more than 300 polling stations like this one across the state. we ll been seeing people trickle in all morning especially latinos because latinos know the fastest growing segment of a population here. you would think that s good news for hillary clinton. there s more to it than that. as you said in that new bloomberg poll today, trump showing a slight edge with hispanics in miami where there s a higher concentration of cuban-american voters. trump really hardening his stance. even meeting with bay of pigs veterans. the deciding factor for a cuban-american voter who we spoke with earlier today. let s hear him. it was very good that he did have that because that was part of the whole history. it was very good for him. actually going to get a lot of cuban votes because of that.
trump really targeting that cuban vote because immigration is not a big issue for that community. and every single vote is going to count for him here in florida. it may all boil down to this date and this county where i am now. it s incredible, thank you develop. greatly appreciate that report. turning now to the unexpected story playing out in utah. donald trump may be the first republican to lose that state since 1964. the polls there extremely tight. between trump and clinton. and the third party candidate, evan mcmullin. utah s mormon voters are also divided closely on who they will vote phone p for november 8th. they are of course the key voting democratic for utah. vice presidential candidate tim kaine targeted mormon voters with his op-ed yesterday on the importance of religious mission service. of course he was a missionary. part of our up for grabs series. now, in salt lake city where he
spoke with some of the voters in the state. it s back to a refrain we heard during the primary election. anybody but donald trump. who would have thought we d be back here in utah ahead of the general election but as you said for the first time since the 1960s, a republican could lose the race for the white house. it comes down to these mormon voters. i spent some time with a young mormon republican family who never voted for anybody but the republican candidate and this is what they told me. republicans, both of you? traditionally, yes, always voted republican. did you guys caucus in the republican good catch, in the republican primary? yes, you ve been a delegate. twice. so here we are pretty close to election day. wow, what are you guys going to do? we battle back and forth. for a little while, i looked at hillary clinton. right now i m really excited about the momentum in the mcmullin campaign.
it s caused me to explore my own political beliefs. i think traditionally at least i ve kind of toed the party line becau that s everybody around here has traditionally been a republican. will this be the first time you haven t voted republican for president ever? correct. yeah, yes. for you both? yes. so does it i mean, what s the primary motivating factor in not voting for donald trump? is it your faith, your religion? it s like a core belief of, like, look at these two guys riding around. yeah. we hold the presidency in a really high regard. it s important to us to know who that person is and what they stand for. for months now, it s been very, very clear. long before any newly released published foot only of horrific things. it s been pretty obvious to us that he s not that representative we want. right now, you re in you re going to vote for who if it was today? if it was today, mcmullin.
today? probably mcmullin. and if you re faced with the choice of going for mcmullin, donald trump as the winner in utah, hillary clinton? sure. i really even though i don t want my vote to be driven as an anti-this is one case where i feel like it s important. tam ron, in a sign of how close things are here, republican vice presidential candidate mike pence will be in utah today. that is something that you normally wouldn t see at this stage of the presidential campaign. but the six electoral votes in utah could make the difference in the race to 270. wow, all right, jacob, it is always great to just hear some insight and understanding, with these 13 days out, especially in utah, where you have a third party candidate that may result in votes. coming up, is donald trump s campaign damaging his brand and his business?
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trump hotels in new york, vegas and chicago were also down by more than 58% during the first half of this year. and just blocks from trump s own manhattan apartment, more than 400 residents of trump place are petitioning to, quote, dumb the trump name. it s all the negative connotations that bring things up from misogynist to racist to homo phobe, tax evader. joining me now, scott galloway, professor of marketing at nyu stern school of business. thank you for your time. thank you for having me. looking at the trump statement from the business versus the numbers that are coming in, which is a clearer picture of what s happening? i m going to go out on a limb here and say mr. trump may not be accurately reflecting what is actually happening here. i think that the bottom line is
he s on a downward momentum so it s easy to be critical of the brand but what you have here is a brand that s incorrectly positioned. it caters to the affluent. as a whole, the affluent are probably theroup most turned off by trump now. the brand is still strong. perhaps stronger it s just his current properties aren t positioned properly. there s opportunity but there s down market. geography, when you look, down 58%. yes, it s sectiessentially h brand equity as it relates to the business related to the household income. the brand is never going to be weaker than it would be in manhattan. it will be very strong in
certain rule areas where the household income is lower. there s been discussion of how much of his wealth comes from licensing his name. it was announced last week the that trump hotels would have the title sky inn, not trump. if you don t have the trump name, how does he get the money from licensing? he s purchase p pursued a pretty intelligence strategy where he doesn t put up his own money. he puts his name on it and takes a portion of the proceeds. the problem is if the brand no longer attracts that demographic that the people putting the capital into the hotel can say it s attracting people. i think what you ll see is actually more trump hotels. they re just going to be they re just going to be more kind of midtier hotels. which is the opposite of what he said he built this brand to be. building at the end of our block has been associated with great luxury. that s not what he worked on for
the past 60 years. less trump hotels in manhattan, more in middle america and red states. interesting. really appreciate it. developing now, we re traveling with defense secretary ash carter who just made an annou e announcement over the military forcing veterans to return enlistment voters. outraged so many of you. now secretary ash carter is speak out about what happens to these veterans told to pay back bonuses. plus, one of america s most controversy sheriffs joe arpaio formally charged. we ll have the latest on what this means for arpaio. thatedexas helped us we cld focus obigger issues, environmen le we re not passive aggressi. hey, hey, hey, there e no bad suggestions here. noatter w lame they are. well said, ann. i ve always mired you just say what s in your head, thout thng. well said, ann. bra. gooint ted. re livinproof at looks aren t erying. thanyou. e-commer businsx helped sr anth is noa ssive agessi eironment. justanted to say yoys areoioi great jo
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carter says resources are available for simultaneous operations on both mosul and raqqah. secretary carter suspended efforts to collect bonuses once paid to california national guard members. let me bring in on the phone from brussels nbc s hans nichols traveling with secretary carter. let s start off with the developments about this new offensive in the capital in raqqah that will begin in weeks. what does secretary carter say? well, he said just that, tamron, this is going to start weeks, not months. we think about the calendar on that. that means we could have an offensive in raqqah during election day. it likely means you ll have offenses taking place in mosul and raqqah in syria, well into the next year. that means the next president could be inheriting two active campaigns. they re saying u.s. forces are not on the front lines. he s been meeting with officials
in iraq, turkey, abu dhabi, u.s. troops are not special operatives, are not on the front lines. they re also embedding. that means they re up there with the peshmerga, with iraqi counterterrorism forces. they re working closely but they re insisting they won t be part of a holding force in mosul, tamron. the other story you were able to get secretary carter to respond to is one we ve reported, l.a. times has for some time now, veterans who signed up for wars in iraq and afghanistan, they received bonuses. and then suddenly were told they needed to pay back that money. outrage from both republicans and democrats on this. what did secretary carter say? well, here in brussels, he s just announced he s going to be suspending the payback of these bonuses. that doesn t, however, mean this is totally in the clear. they have a process in place. as secretary carter told me this morning, they do think there may have been a little bit, at least
some cases, of fraud taking place. what they don t want is the majority of national guardsmen being caught in the cross-fire. he s outraged by the situation. well, of course i m outraged. this is a case where we have a trust with service members who have served us. they have made a commitment to us. we need to keep our commitments to them. with respect to whether it s california, we don t know the full extent of it yet. do you need to do it with congressional authorization? is this something you can we re going to do everything we possibly can without waiting for any change in the law. tamron, we re now in brussels. it s the end of secretary carter s trip. the subject here on everyone s mind, russia, their new posture and just what they re doing in eastern europe as well as the baltic seas. the man nicknamed america s
toughest sheriff is vowing to fight new criminal contempt charges against him. he says tooth and nail. sheriff arpaio of arizona s maricopa county was charged last night for ignoring a judge s order in a racial profiling case. arpaio is up for re-election going for his seventh term. prosecutors said two weeks ago they would prosecute arpaio and in a statement then arpaio said, quote, it is clear the corrupt obama justice department is trying to influence my re-election. it is blatant abuse of power and the people of maricopa county should be aso outraged as i am. let s go back to the charges and what they stem from for the sheriff here. sure, they are all rooted in a long-running case going on for nine years now. in late 2011, the judge before the trial even happened, the judge said that sheriff arpaio s
deputies needed to stop enforcing federal immigration law. meaning if they pulled somebody over and they happened to be hispanic, they had to either arrest them for a state charge or release them. what arpaio s deputies were doing were taking them over to i.c.e. or to the border patrol and what happened was even after the judge issued that preliminary injunction, arpaio s deputies ended up doing that for at least 18 months thereafter. sheriff arpaio will not be arrested. he s real choired required to n court. this is costing taxpayers $48 million to defend arpaio and his office. the cost could reach $72 million. he says it s politically motivated. he s been one of the most controversial sheriffs in recent memory certainly. for sure. it is important to note, though, that 72 million isn t even related to this case, to the criminal contempt case.
the 72 million is for everything else. he will and should be paying for the criminal charges on his own as will the three others that may stand for them as well. but so far, arpaio is the only one facing criminal contempt charges. yes, this has been i m sorry, go ahead. he was saying he was talking about the people of maricopa county not standing for this. what is his standing with the county at this point? he has supported donald trump. is he still popular there? it s hard to say. we took a poll a couple weeks ago right when the charges were coming outnd the doj announced they would be pursuing them. it shows he s about 15 points below his democratic opponent. so that shows that his support may be slipping. help has other polls that say differently.
i guess we re just going to have to wait and see. he does have a really big strong hold in some of the communities here. great reporting, we really appreciate you joining us. a super pac linked to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is out with a late ditch multimillion-dollar effort to keep vulnerable republicans from losing their senate seats and it s focusing on six states including four battleground states. mark murray is up next. chs make in right. firs all customers w havebe im wille lly fued co, we loaelsendyou a iron fory third,e eliminated productard . les goals foreta banrs. eure yo intes are put firs wee takingction. renengur commiento you. wee takingction. t e best place tan be f awe start is ithfost : i spsomethg giing wi. s
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we re not going to find out until after the election once the disclosure reports come out. this is all about trying to help republicans in key senate contests like nevada. in north carolina. in new hampshire. pap pa, missouri. in indiana. and, tamron, you know, republicans have to pretty much run the table in those contests to keep control of the united states senate. that is why republicans are try to flood and spend so much money in these states. i ve heard a number say that the only way republicans should worry is if hillary clinton has a ten-point lead. that s not what the numbers show. but it s clear they believe this lead is significant despite some of the battleground maps that show it as a tight race. so there are two realities. we have seen republican down ballot candidates overperform donald trump in these battleground states. that s some good news if you re a kelly ayotte in new hampshire or a joe heck in nevada.
but the downside is this is kind of marginal and we re talking two or three percentage points and if, you know, hillary clinton ends up winning, say, a new hampshire or a nevada, chances are the democrats are going to probably end up winning those senate contests as well as other down ballots. because turnout ends up mattering so much. i m just not sure there are a lot of ticket splitters. thank you so much, greatly appreciate it. coming up, justin timberlake s selfie taken inside a polling place has people asking if he broke the law. up next, we re going to look into where you can get your selfie on while voting where you probably don t want to do it.
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announcement courtesy of justin timberlake. he voted in tennessee, his home state. turns out it is illegal to take a selfie while voting in that state and in many others. officials in shelby county where justin timberlake voted say his actions will not be investigated. he s a national treasure. and he won t face charges. officials are thrilled he, quote, can t stop the feeling. that s what they said. for legal advice, ari melber. i will take the selfie. do it. what s the deal? first of all, as you reported because there was confusion on the internet. at first you don t have to cry me a river for justin. i can t. i got it out of the way. i need a drink. i m listening, go ahead. it is illegal in most states. why? great question. there is so much concern in other areas around any pressure,
tampering, interference that a lot of states don t want recording devices or even talking on the phone once you are inside the polling place. if you are home watching you can ask if you are in most of the country you probably can t use your phone to record anything. you can ask as you walk in and find out so you don t break rules. having said that, i will tell you the states are on the wrong side of the first amendment here. unconstitutional people are saying. the tennessee law does say flatly you can t do what justin did. they are not going to investigate. it says you cannot use your phone as a recording device or a photographic device in the polling place. more interestingly, there is a federal appeals court, the first circuit that struck down the exact same kind of law in new hampshire. they found there is a first amendment right so selfie. they said there is a strong first amendment right to communicate and laws against voter selfies unfairly restrict voters core political speech. the idea that you are saying
something. the court ruled you are saying two things. number one, i voted. which in this world means you are telling you friends today is the day. and you could be showing who you are voting for and that s political speech that s protected. interesting. where does it go? other states may test it and the supreme court may want to take a circuit split. with one court in part of the country saying yes you can do this. and the first circuit said you can t. that s what could lead to the supreme court. this is how people communicate. we think of selfies as silly. but it may be an important way for young people to say, get out and vote. i love a good selfie. we didn t have this problem when polaroid was around. i don t know. did we? polaroids? thank you. happening now, hillary clinton is set to speak in lake worth, florida. we ll bring you the comments, of course. we ll be right back. an opening night on broadw is kind of magic.
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thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. we ll see you back here tomorrow. i m tamron hall. turning it over to andrea mitchell who is in lake worth, florida, where hillary clinton is set to speak live. andrea? thank you, tamron. now on andrea mitchell reports, 13 days out. which candidate will have a lucky 13? we are live in florida where hillary clinton is rallying for a second day in a row. she s about to take the stage where donald trump detours to washington for another opening of a luxury hotel. what does it mean that donald trump is spending any minutes promoting his own brand as opposed to asking people for their votes? it shows americans the tangible accomplishments of donald trump. he s somebody who builds things, fixes things. hillary clinton went from being dead broke to being a quarter of a billionaire. how?

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mining your fish florida and i work at the. inconceivable atrocities took place in the nazi era. three european authors have written very successful crime novels and the third time. so why is this a fitting shondra for writing about this chapter of german history.
shaped almost more buffy the moment i wrote a new r. novel about paris during the occupation because the french know very little about those years should. and even less about the collaboration with the nazis but he almost this city itself becomes a protectionist in the novel a bit too much of a moment it was a violent time. in some parts of paris people were partying while in other parts they were starving for no good no he s a quintessential elements of the war fiction but we re not allowed to sell steal money. because of the price because in the final republic because of the nazis because of the cold war he was being probably the base for t.v. in changing cities most interesting city to write about the us had you said from the point of view of crime right up to the anywhere so let s get right.
to the body by my life in berlin the final yes but the most exciting time after that because of your apart from the economy everything was flourishing intellectual and cultural life and science all of that ended up promptly ninety three it s almost impossible to explain this cultural breakdown which was ultimately to wreak havoc on the entire world of the crime novel is the best medium for understanding this period but a lot but good reading. philip was the first to create a german police inspector who works in the third. based in berlin. after the nazi takeover and high stock fire the nature of policing changed
opposition politicians were rounded up. a man with drafted in to work as exhilarate police. increasingly jews became a target of persecution. in his novels kermit is history and fiction. boss is detective superintendent. a modern police officer who introduced the use of crime scene forensics he was also the inspiration for superintendent in fritz lang s film. only. it. started out as a copywriter. in london in the one nine hundred eighty s. first office the second one moment smile face when. that was the
agency i worked in before i went to work. for a subject such. so yeah i worked a man for. five years. across the street from because former office is the london library was bored by advertising work so he turned to studying. and writing crime novels. i was very lucky because i mean you know. working there and having this library here. that seemed like a really you know lucky charms nobody knew i was going it was like. you know i could be over here for an hour and nobody would notice. a sleeve my coat hanging on the back of the chair i come in here yeah exactly. is this the first place.
and i said they came interested in the whole phenomenon of the nazi revolution and i wanted to understand it better and once i started to read german philosophy i sort of started to get much more interested in how it all happened he s a kind of extension of me in a lot of ways he s big he s grumpy he s misanthropic. he s some decent he s temperamentally unemployable. and post your mo he s got a very dark sense of humor as i have got a free blacks and if you man myself but i find that some. i find that chimes with berlin itself and it i think berlin is have a free a very dog sense of humor a cruel sense of humor. perhaps it s me growing up and skull on the debt now but the scots have a very cruel sense of humor and they re cruel people. and so the cruelty comes out
in the humor i think really and that s that in a way it s the it s the humor that makes it possible for the writer to get through the book without committing suicide. writer and former journalist fuckwit child lives than. his first crime novel was published in german in two thousand and seven it was the start of an award winning series about cologne native. who also works as a police inspector in berlin. carry on a lot. it s a typical cologne native the church is important for him and carnival season is even more important he s not as catholic as his parents think he should be but he s more catholic than he realizes he s actually sort of agnostic his attitude is typical of his home city of gnostic or maybe there is a god so we should live our lives in a way that we just that we can to have and. that s also how german comedian you re
going back to put it in the great of the minus is good enough it s not a mortal fear minos of iced. in contrast to philip begins his work in the weimar republic. he s interested in how inspector hot deals with a transitional from democracy to dictatorship. and his fifth case hartis in cologne for the famous monday carnival parade. in one nine hundred thirty three mayor con had ordered the removal of swastika flags from the streets the parade motto was cannibal like it used to be. but not a flags were everywhere one year later and racist and anti-semitic themes also
featured increasingly on the flights this reached its india in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. that here the war began. and by nine hundred forty five colonial a in ruins. but in one thousand nine hundred eighty three god s world was still in pretty good shape he even had a flag after all it was khan of all time. and food on site. in those days. things weren t as permissive as they are today still at the carnival celebrations guys could find a girl everyone was in a party mood was told so found a woman but unfortunately he was already engaged that was not exactly appropriate this them so pleasant.
procession of damaged tanks and very young soldiers have it be so. eight years or more exhausted many are wounded. and they re on their way home. testing football this is the cover of the paperback edition photo. the photo shows paris residence during the occupation they re standing under swastikas and flanks and fraternizing with the germans in a fight that he s su. well known that you can see a champagne glass in the foreground. here is very relaxed it shows ordinary people having a great time. the nazis chief character. is a vice squad inspector who works undercover for the resistance and is in radio contact with london. he frequents the glamorous parisian salons and observes
firsthand how easily the germans are corrupting french society. he belongs to both the resistance and the police has to play a street in conspicuous character at all times. he s watched into playing this role he has to appear completely insignificant. absolutely mo i know but under normal circumstances he wouldn t be like that at all. so ok now on the condition. in her book why not he also writes about a massacre of young resistance fighters that was carried out by the french gestapo in august one nine hundred forty four. we suppress exact among them so that actually happened in what events in. what i moved to the border blown you.
all novel writing is politics it s a huge luxury to be able to write about you know the worst people in history. and go learn people like that they are. it s lighter it s like dracula i mean the these are wonderfully villainous or for people to write about that are beyond invention novelis could invent a character as wicked as hydra. this is general pace was one of the main architects of the holocaust and cursed first novel march violets going to me titus who sends him to the concentration camp as an undercover agent it s a painful experience for bernie. in later books had this evolves into his make this. race was fully capable of being a loving father and
a brutal police functionary the checks called him the blonde beast. how did it was assassinated in prague in the one nine hundred forty two incurs novel prague fertile how trace has bernie s lover checks by brutally tortured in his presence. so that scene came around because i just wanted to remind people of what these who these people were and what they did to people and what they were capable of doing to people you know. but equally the method that they used to interrogate their goal is what the cia are doing today so that s why it s there you know the nazis invented waterboarding or probably they didn t but they were certainly very effective at doing it so you know you with all the stories you want there to be a kind of. something that resonates in the modern world. in
january nine hundred forty two presided over the vines a conference on the final solution to the jewish question. there it was decided that most of the jews in german occupied europe would be deported to poland and made it kirk has come here to do research for peace of the. worst of the worst. and they see it as. the swearing we see you ve done after the war was declared he did a lot of time in the in the lift up he became first bill came a recount. in the buff and went on bombing in. norway. and he really enjoyed he just enjoyed sitting back machine gunning.
another of his nazi era crime novels focuses on a fictional police conference that was held five months after the conference. is dead by then and as she says the conference which is also held at the van s a villa the all. the same time the international crime of the century was being committed by many of the people sitting in the room and it just struck me as she always love these kind of ironies of history i love the sort of the bits between the lines of history that we don t know about i mean it was trite most people is absurd that they would they would do that but that s exactly what they did so you know here where we re standing now there would have been in july nine hundred two there with the being policeman from all over you re standing here having a cigarette i mean cup of coffee and then going in there and having lectures from
various policeman and one of whom in the novel will be pentagon for. so burney us turn up and make a speech in there so that s really what i was after i m. standing in that window thinking that s where he stands that s where the speech occurs and then they come out here and they have a cup of coffee he s introduced to somebody who will be pivotal in the rest of the story who s a swiss policeman. in one thousand nine hundred forty the nazis occupied paris. minorities main character is the head of the french kostopoulos. a highly decorated police officer and he controls all of paris together with former gangster all the love for. both our collaborators and criminals those who oppose them full out of windows will simply vanish for ever he ll need to vote against
that before we re here at ninety three rule lower east on that chris was an infamous address during the occupation. it was the headquarters of the french to stop oh yes the people who think that your division. when the lot of money is building where bonnie and la phone had their offices was called lock erlang or the cockpit minimill. you see i see this building witnessed many dreadful crimes who you see many people were tortured here has not been thought the french to stop a was a key element of the collaboration structure and next day it could be in the thick head don t mean huge because i. feel neat because of this it says you need. to consider the plasticity as uni just a few steps away but as they sit there. day the frame i guess topple prison was located here at number three. on their prisoners were kept here between
interrogations they would do that before they were turned over to the germans i ve owned and even it s at their grammar. about twenty meters away from the gestapo prison at number eleven is the alltel dunno why you during the war it housed one of the liveliest literary and artistic cellphones in paris. he there were two big cell phones one was run by florence the other by madame de no i. met them to know i. wasn t the buildings are close together was some of the every time i come here i m struck by the contrast and it reminds me that people must have known what was happening here again your plea they could not have ignored it and this is where it all took place memo. this year they extravagant parties and their that doc torture and death spots memo and the buildings were right next to each other. maybe the french upper class completely accepted the s.s.
and they were mocked they don t mean the s.s. men were more popular because their uniforms were much more attractive uniform that black is a lot more becoming than field gray. a pretty young good to have to go through. the chief collaborators came to an inglorious and the germans abandoned them when they pulled out of paris. when la phone was taken prisoner after the liberation he said i spent four years surrounded by orchids tell you send bentleys it was worth it for a the phone was the rest of the day paris was liberated and was executed immediately. his stance resistance means admitting that terrible things happened.
if you don t talk about them you allow them to happen again. i hope you will. as this is instituted which if you are the first sentences are really important just like the last one as you appear to not just in the novel as a whole but in each chapter to get seeger s that s the sentence i ve got now is ok it s ok it definitely gets you into the scene but how i m going to stop the book because well i can read it as it s going to fall in the suggestive comments on
their own the room was full of people muttering and clouds of cigarette smoke max hansen s voice grated from the phonograph speaker and then comes a call from hanson books and yet. we had a good beat up. on. the main issue you. need me if you know the think you need to. believe him and i ll talk right of inishmaan how can i continue my daily routine when i realize that everything around me is changing radically and i throw this up the shaft a lot since i got to be careful he is just one of us no more rule of law often and it s easy to fall into the clutches of a wild pack of essay wolves that s bush didn t need money would never stick his neck out like phillip because benny going to no way even if he says i m going to know what he s a totally different kind of character your feet are going to sometimes i wonder how going to could have survived back then. rod might have a big mouth in charlie s present but never around anyone from the s.s. o.s.a.
it was if we had was as they can all go projects i used to carefully plot out everything as you should do with crime stories of the plot is really important but lots of ideas come to you while you re writing and that s great it s surprising how many of these ideas you can use and how things work out differently than i d imagined and that s not so bad because if i can surprise myself hopefully i can surprise my readers as well at least that s what i m striving to achieve for us just as he s gotten most of. this is what gave you my heart to look like in a new graphic novel. this is beyond your comic all soon this is how the artist imagine same effect of being done for them his gear we are in front of headquarters on berlin s alexanderplatz in the plots and that s barely house. you can see the stop lights and power lines and of course
a cigarette you better carry all never leaves home without one. we all know. the especially novels written in the first person are the i. in the eye makes it more personal it s like you yourself are meeting gerbils you re self or having to shake his hand and have a meeting at a coffee and a cigarette with gerbils and you yourself are having to be careful about what you say so hopefully the choices the conversation brings you to. brings bernie to the same choices that the reader would have which is you know how do i say how do i give this person what they want but without compromising my moral. my my true moral inner self how do i do that how do i not do everything he wants without ending up dead and so
you know these are the things that interest me as a as a writer how to be how to walk that tightrope. little. girls was famously. wanted. you seem to have had an affair with many actresses. principally one called lead a bar over but he got a bit of a reputation as a ladies and it wasn t just the sort of rest of the the third reich that made jokes about about his sexual. appetites it was pretty much so. and of course being in control of germany s film industry which was based here was like sort of. putting this you know. a fact kid in charge of this week s
show really wasn t perhaps the best thing that could have. could have happened. and cast early crime novel a quiet flame danny boldly climbs into the flask of yours if god is in the bathroom he leaves behind a most unpleasant calling card. i was asked myself what i would do you know and i guess that s what i would have done if i ever found myself in goebbels his bathroom you know i did yeah use this toilet and then flush it and. i got it as i think i probably told you earlier i m going to sort of naturally dark sense of humor. makes writing about nazi germany from
a detective point of view so interesting because nobody is what they seemed. just from a point of view and from a point of view of survival that quite often the good the good guys aren t what they seem to be because they have to pretend not to be good guys it s like bernie as old as he might have always been a big fan of his era the one nine hundred twenty s. and thirty s the berlin of the new york jets tipitina s meant and american gangsters from the twenty s and thirty s. and for her that s a good device he got from his emotions just in the end of it i ve always found them fascinating despite as i got the idea of combining the two after watching two fillets but i feel like it s a standard wished in. road one was road to perdition with tom hanks which came out around ten years ago. he did enough to me. when i was the other was fritz lang s m.
salt honest i thought and it takes place in one thousand nine hundred eighty one the same year that the film was made on. the road to perdition also takes place in one nine hundred thirty one but was shocked about seventy years later when a lot i could do it. right there that. all of them. oh dear here take. you back to mike and the world featured in the road to perdition and the world of one nine hundred thirty s. berlin it can also contemporaneous so why don t merge them that s how i got the idea for giving them oddities.
to put it to suspect definitions of the political aspect germany s political development is now the most important thing for me to be asked as so the idea to follow the course of this development was the second step and. then i had the idea to create a series that goes beyond ninety thirty three instead of having these gangster stories take place before nine hundred thirty three in a more or less normal society thinks the mine shaft i want to use the crime novel to show how society changes us if you use it and for that for me much to anybody didn t know my crime novels usually try to restore things to the status quo especially evil should be punished and locked away and gave me on does this the best he can he says but this is ultimately futile in the third right it s the criminals he s hunting up both the murderous and his superiors you know and he s in a rather bizarre situation and this is what i wanted to trade. for you. i have vivid
memories of the third man it s wonderful i always try to imagine those scenes when i write. sometimes i imagine scenes in black and white or. similar has had an enormous influence on me. that s. what the book now. yes he also addresses the fact that many french artists including john cook told admired they german counterparts people like hitler s favorite skull to. cook doorway to play was a major collaborator he organized the big breaker exhibition in paris in one thousand nine hundred two and wrote an introduction for it. who was fascinated with erotica visited the exhibition. he said it s
a good thing statues don t have erections otherwise there d be no room to move around. according shasta swap on the bus comply purposely going to. his publisher is based in new york. and when his books come out in the u.s. he travels around the country to promote them this time because wife jane time has come along americans love his blend of nazi horror and hard boiled detective fiction. there s only one thing worse than being an american book tour and that s not being asked to do with america. because it s like it s it s. there s a lot of adrenaline and it s a performance. in
new york he makes an appearance at a small but well stocked book store that specializes in crime novels the mysterious bookshop. unlike his colleagues doesn t care much for standard readings he prefers to talk about his latest books. over the years i ve learned a little awful lot about this period and you know you read about one concentration camp or another or the holocaust and i became aware of the existence of this place in the former yugoslavia which was called just the end of the church wasn t just on the death count it was a murder and cruelty and killing cap. and that the
cruelties that were practice they were on speak well i m not going to give into details but they put this way it was so bad that your original s.s. detachment who d been sent. back to berlin and said look can we leave this place it was so bad even the s.s. didn t want to be there bags how bad it was. there s a kind of a train parked in this field it was the death train rather like the sort of train arrived men women and children were taken off this train and they were they went on this little ferry across a river and on this island there were all these people waiting to murder them with axes and. and beheading has become a kind of a phenomenon that we ve become we ve become very familiar with in in the newspapers of late. these yugoslavian roman catholic priests who were principally
responsible for getting. nazi war criminals out. and there was nobody worse than these people i think they probably killed. between eighty and one hundred thousand people on this little island roman catholic priests anyway that was the other thing why i want to write about the yugoslavs and the croats because it s common as soon it was the germans who. killed people and we forget the roles played by some of the other races in europe like like the crow and. there have been in auschwitz because i mean there s no scene in there s not really a scene in the book which is said. if there had been i would have got not yet well no i don t think there will be actually because i feel i would feel probably uncomfortable writing about it because i feel that. it was something that was so awful i think you know to try and
describe it i don t think unless you ve been there you kind of earned the right probably to write about it if you ve been there but i think you haven t really really earned the right to write about it if you haven t been there. and i had to sort it was difficult because when i wrote from zagreb i had to go to this place this awful concentration camp. in bosnia called years and verge and. i felt i had to get permission from the people who had died there so i sort of stood in the sounds melodramatic but that s how it felt or stood in the cattle the the wagons transported the people on the train. the train is there so you can actually stand in these cattle cars and feel what it must have been like so i felt i had to sort of you know pray almost to the people and say look if i m right about
this i promise i will not you know says trivialize this and i promise i will be your. sorry. ok. professor now frank is get over you so you may want to. know why the phone camera. now you see what you re about the qualities of thank you. for this you know it is ok thank you so much. for.
paris august nine hundred forty four the city s new german commander general details from cultists has earned his respect by leveling service to poll with the so-called col c. took on. hitler demanded that paris suffer the same fate. but fun call to ignore what his order is by then he had decided that hitler was insane. some reports say that hitler phoned the general in a rage and screamed is paris burning. menotti writes about the battles between resistance fighters and german troops in the final days of the occupation. hundreds were killed in the fighting. uncultured surrendered his troops on august twenty fifth.
later that day general shoulder gold arrived in paris as the leader of the provisional government of the french republic. the german up. of the french capital . local residents celebrated. they also started punishing alleged. french women who had fashioned with german soldiers but publicly humiliated this was the beginning of a partial rewriting of the history of the war but the nazi refuses to accept this interpretation. it s scapegoat politics so many things happened it s time to come clean. in any case war has always been waged on the bodies of women.
when you conquer a country you rape the women. in order to liberate the country you shave the heads of women. or may not have slept with germans. such uncivilized things didn t happen in the upper echelons. so. it was a way to deal with the horror of the war. create a morally superior version of the past the. crime novels because they represent my dark view of the world the war and the period of collaboration are perfectly suited for crime novels. that. there s more the pressure increased bit by bit more success means more pressure and
you grow into it and buxom it up to the office and i m glad that my first novel babylon berlin wasn t immediately a huge success i m going to have otherwise i would have had to keep chasing that success and even under bush going to cross did that his whole life because of the tin drum. it was kind of tragic. luckily i didn t suffer the same fate though i ll never win a nobel prize. this is. the one of the earliest forms of writing ever oh this is about five thousand years b.c. . and these little marks on it were written by. an architect and these things used to these to put them in little holes in the bill in the building that they d made it was a description of who the architect was and it was like a little autobiography or a little. like a little brass plaque on
a wall. that s right. you know i think it s good to have a really early writing in front of you when when you re doing this because it just reminds you that really. it s the anything if you that will maybe last. half. so much money and. i m going out. my character meeting me would be a pretty horrific experience he d almost certainly hate me. because every and his life you know he would have had a good life for me this is the ambivalent relationship rices have with their
characters because they knew in their bones inside themselves they knew their character would hate them. and mine would certainly hate me. instead as a father said i don t ask you ask yourself what would i have done back then and but you don t have an answer with your life you can come close to announce that through the novels through the situations that your characters get themselves into through their actions and development and make long. the untaught you ll probably never find an onsite and. this is a maybe so not necessary. but it s good if some readers think about it it s all on his own and ask themselves the same questions that we do to them you know what would i have done back then i said it and i was going left well i don t leave the best way to understand writers is through their books make this meeting was very nice but the book reveals all that let s see the evil.
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shapes a hormone war. i wrote a new r. novel about paris during the occupation because the french know very little about those years should. and even less about the collaboration with the nazis but he almost this city itself becomes a protagonist in the novel a bit too much of a moment it was a violent time. in some parts of paris people were partying while in other parts they were starving for no good no he s a quintessential elements of the war fiction one that allowed this self to come on . because of the price because of my mom republic because of the nazis because of the cold war i think has been probably the most courteous changing city most interesting city to write about was the must have you said from the point of view of crime writer talking of anywhere so let s get right
. to the bible in berlin the final years but the most exciting time after that because of your apart from the economy everything was flourishing intellectual and cultural life and science all that ended up roughly one nine hundred fifty three it s almost impossible to explain this cultural breakdown which was ultimately to wreak havoc on the entire world the crime novelist the best medium for understanding this period with the three. philip was the first to create a german police inspector who works in the third. is based in berlin. after the nazi takeover and high stock fire the nature of policing changed
opposition politicians were rounded up. a man with drafted in to work as exhilarate police. increasingly jews became a target of persecution. in his novels kermit is history and fiction. boss is detective superintendent. a modern police officer who introduced the use of crime scene forensics he was also the inspiration for superintendent in fritz lang s film. only now. your first quote i. started out as a copywriter. in london in the one nine hundred eighty s. first floor office so one moment smile face when. that was the agency i worked in before i went to work. for a subject such. so yeah i worked in there for. four five
and i said to him interested in the whole phenomenon of third of the nazi revolution and i wanted to understand it better and once i started to read german philosophy i i sort of started to get much more interested in how it all happened he s a kind of extension of me in a lot of ways he s big he s grumpy he s misanthropic. he s some decent he s temperamentally unemployable. most of your mo he s got a very dark sense of humor as i haven t got a very black sense of humor myself but i find that some. i find that chimes with bell in itself and it i think berliners have a free every dog sense of humor a cruel sense of humor. perhaps it s me growing up in school on that neighbor the scots have a very cruel sense of humor and they re cruel people. and say the cruelty comes out
in the human i think really and that s that in a way it s the it s the humor that makes it possible for the writer to get through the book without committing suicide. writer and former journalist lives in cologne. his first crime novel was published in german in two thousand and seven it was the start of an award winning series about cologne native. who also works as a police inspector in berlin. carry on heart is a typical cologne native the church is important for him and carnival season is even more important he s not as catholic as his parents think he should be but he s more catholic than he realizes he s actually sort of agnostic his attitude is typical of his home city of gnostic or maybe there is a god so we should live our lives in a way that we just that we can to have and. that s also how german comedian you re
going back or put it in a grade of d. minus is good enough it s not immortal fear me knows i just. cut in contrast to philip kirk begins his work in the weimar republic. he s interested in how inspector hot deals with a transitional from democracy to dictatorship. and his fifth case hardison cologne for the famous monday carnival parade. in one nine hundred thirty three mayor khan had ordered the removal of swastika flags from the streets. the parade motto was con of the like it used to be. but not a flags were everywhere. and racist and anti-semitic themes also featured increasingly
on the floats this reached its india in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. that here there will be gas. and by nine hundred forty five colonial a in ruins. but in one thousand nine hundred eighty three cotswold was still in pretty good shape he even had a fling after all it was kind of old time. influence. in those days things weren t as permissive as they are today still at the carnival celebrations guys could find a girl everyone was in a party mood auto so found a woman but unfortunately he was already engaged that was not exactly appropriate this himself wasn t.
writer and former historian dominic minority lives in paris. and the first crime novel was published in the one nine hundred ninety five. in two thousand and four she released her darkest novel yet which describes the brutal activities of the french to stop and during the occupation they would like get i don t just get up. there is a was important at the beginning of the war the first thing the germans did was march down the boulevard. if throughout the occupation they paraded here every morning he. said in my novel there s a scene that takes place at the end of the war as. it describes an endless procession of damaged tanks and very young soldiers have it be so.
if you want or exhausted many are wounded. and they re on their way home. testing for. this is the cover of the paperback edition photo. of the photo shows paris residence during the occupation they re standing under swastikas and flags and fraternizing with the germans the rough cut of his su. well known you can see a champagne glass in the foreground. the atmosphere is very relaxed it shows ordinary people having a great time for small. minorities chief carrots and is a vice squad inspector who works undercover for the resistance and is in radio contact with london. he frequents the glamorous parisian salons and observes firsthand how easily the germans are corrupting french society.
he was he still. he belongs to both the resistance and the police he has to play a street in conspicuous character at all times. he s morse into playing this role he has to appear completely insignificant. but under normal circumstances he wouldn t be like that at all. knowing the condition. in her book menotti also writes about a massacre of young resistance fighters that was carried out by the french gestapo in august nine hundred forty full. we. so that actually happened in what event sense. but i moved it to the board of law and. all novel writing is politics it s
a huge luxury to be able to write about you know the worst people in history heidrick and go balls and himmler and people like that they are it s like race like dracula i mean the these are wonderfully villainous or for people to write about that are beyond invention udo novelists could invent a character as we could as hydra. this is general kind of this was one of the main architects of the holocaust and cursed first novel march by and it s going to me titus who sends him to the concentration camp as an undercover agent it s a painful experience for bernie. in later books had evolved into his make the step. to this was fully capable of being a loving father and a brutal police functionary the czechs called him the blond beast.
how did it was assassinated in prague in the one nine hundred forty two in his novel prague fertile how trace has bernie s lover checks by brutally tortured in his presence. so that scene came around because i just wanted to remind people of what these who these people were and what they did to people what they were capable of doing to people you know so but equally the method that they used to interrogate that go is what the cia are doing today. so that s why it s there you know the nazis invented waterboarding or probably they didn t but they were certainly very effective at doing it so you know you with all these stories you want there to be a kind of. something that resonates in the modern world.
in january nine hundred forty two hailes presided over the vines a conference on the final solution to the jewish question. then it was decided that most of the jews in german occupied europe would be deported to poland and murdered . her has come here to do research movies of the. worst of the worst. and they see as. he s wearing when he done after the war was declared he did a lot of time in the in the lift up he became first of all came a real gun. and left off and went on bombing runs in this new wales. and he really enjoyed it he just enjoyed seeing the back machine gunning .
another of his nazi era crime novels focuses on a fictional police conference that was held five months after the band s a conference. is dead by then and s.s. chief chairs the conference which is also held at the vans they ve all. the same time the international crime of the century was being committed by many of the people sitting in the room and it just struck me as she always loved these kind of ironies of history i love the sort of the bits between the lines of history that we don t know about i mean it was trite most people is absurd that they would they would do that but that s exactly what they did so you know here where we re standing now there would have been in july nine hundred two that would have been policeman from all over you are standing here having a cigarette i mean a cup of coffee and then going in there and having lectures from various policeman
one of whom in the novel will be pentagon for. so bernie us turn up and make a speech in there so that s really what i was after i m standing in that window thinking that s where he stands that s where the speech occurs and then they come up here and they have a cup of coffee he s introduced to somebody who will be pivotal in the rest of the story who s a swiss policeman. in one nine hundred forty the nazis occupied paris. minorities main character is the head of the french kostopoulos pierre bunny a highly decorated police officer and he controls all of paris together with former gangster all the love for. both the collaborators and criminals those who oppose them fall out of windows will simply vanish for ever he ll need. to i guess that before we re here at ninety three rule laurie stone you know because this was an
infamous address during the occupation that it was the headquarters of the french to stop oh yes the people that you re giving here. in the lobby of wooden is building where bonnie and la phone had their offices was called lock erlang or the cockpit. you. see i see this building witnessed many dreadful crimes who you see many people were tortured here has a book now. the french gestapo was a key element of the collaboration structure and that they could be and i think they don t mean you because. you see only this is this you know. this is the plus does it has uni just a few steps away. day the frame i just awful prison was located here at number three. on his nerves were kept here between interrogations. before they were
turned over to the germans i ve owned and even it s at the top of a mess. only about twenty meters away from the gestapo prison at number eleven is the otel don t know why you during the war it housed one of the liveliest literary and artistic cellphones in paris. he there were two big cell phones one was run by florence the other by madame don t know why you. know i gave my mom was that the buildings are close together was every time i come here i m struck by the contrast and it reminds me that people must have known what was happening here again your plea they could not have ignored it and this is where it all took place memo. this year the extravagant parties and their that doc torture and death. memo and the buildings were right next to each other. the french upper class completely accepted the s.s.
and they were mocked they don t mean the s.s. men were more popular because their uniforms were much more attractive uniform a black is a lot more becoming than field gray. a pretty young because. the chief collaborators came to an inglorious and the germans abandoned them when they pulled out of paris. when la phone was taken prisoner after the liberation he said i spent. four years surrounded by orchids tell you send bentleys it was worth it for a phone was the rest of the day paris was liberated and was executed immediately. now his thoughts are existence means admitting that terrible things happened. if you don t talk about them you allow them to happen again.
comments of. the room was full of people muttering and clouds of cigarette smoke max hansen s voice created from the photographs because. then comes a quote from hanson books and yet. here give. me a. really became an ultra light of inishmaan how can i continue my daily routine when i realize that everything around me is jane ging radically throws up the shaft a lot since i got to be careful there s no more rule of law for them and it s easy to fall into the clutches of a wild pack of essay wolves that bush didn t need money would never stick his neck out like phillip because benny going to no way as i m going to know what he said totally different kind of character you are going to sometimes i wonder how good to could have survived back then rod might have a big mouth in charlie s present but never around anyone from the s.s. o.s.a.
it as if we had was a can all go part of i used to carefully thought out everything as you should do with crime stories the plot is really important but lots of ideas come to you while you re writing and that s great it s surprising how many of these ideas you can use and how things work out differently than i d imagined and that s not so bad because if i can surprise myself hopefully i can surprise my readers as well at least that s what i m striving to achieve just for you get a mission. this is what gave you my heart will look like any new graphic novel. the comic also in this is how the artist imagine same as psycho. ward and his galileo in front of his headquarters on berlin s alexanderplatz. and that s barely house. well you can see the stop lights and power lines and of course a cigarette you better go you ll never leave home without you want me to.
with all novels. the especially novels written in the first person i vi. the eye makes it more personal it s like you yourself are meeting goebbels you re self or having to shake his hand and have a meeting at a coffee and a cigarette with gerbils and you yourself are having to be careful about what you say so hopefully the choices that conversation brings you to. brings bernie to the same choices that the reader would have which is you know how do i say how do i if this person what they want but without compromising my moral my my true moral in a self how do i do that how do i not do everything he wants without
ending up dead and so you know these are the things that interest me as a as a writer how to be how to walk that tightrope. goebbels was famously. i want to. seem to have had an affair with many actresses. principally one called leader my robot but he got a bit of a reputation as a lady. and it wasn t just the sort of rest of the third reich that made jokes about sexual. appetites it was it was pretty much so. and of course being in control of germany s film industry which was based here was like sort of. putting this you know. a fact kid in charge of this week s show really wasn t perhaps the best thing that could have. could have happened.
and cast early crime novel a quiet flame danny boldly climbs into the flask of yours if god is in the bathroom he leaves behind a most unpleasant calling card. i was asked myself what i would do you know and i guess that s what i would have done a fight but i found myself in goebbels his bathroom you know i did yeah use toilet and then flush it and. i got it as i think i ve probably told you earlier i ve got a sort of naturally dark sense of humor. is what makes writing about nazi germany from a detective point of view so interesting because nobody is what they seem to be
just from a point of view and from a point of view of survival that quite often the good the good guys aren t what they seem to be because they have to pretend not to be good guys it s like bernie as old as i mean i ve always been a big fan of his era the one nine hundred twenty s. and thirty s the berlin of the new york jets tipitina s mint and american gangsters from the twenty s and thirty s. and for her that s once again i say got front of emotion fast in the end of it by this i ve always found them fascinating he does but as i got the idea of combining the two after watching two films with my favorites are standard wished in. road one was road to perdition with tom hanks which came out around ten years ago. and you did enough to me for what i was the other was fritz lang s m. on the shoulder honest i thought and it takes place in one thousand nine hundred
eighty one the same year that the film was made on. the road to perdition also takes place in one thousand thirty one but was shocked about seventy years later when a lot i could do it would have. been right there that s right. all of them. how did he take. you back to the world featured in road to perdition and the world of one nine hundred thirty s. berlin it can also contemporaneous so why don t merge them and that s how i got the idea for getting a moderately. depleted suspect definitions for the political aspect germany s political development is now
the most important thing for me that he asked us so the idea to follow the course of this development was the second step and. then i had the idea to create a series that goes beyond ninety thirty three instead of having these gangs of stories take place before nine hundred thirty three in a more or less normal society i think the mine shaft i wanted to use the crime novel to show how society changes us if you use it. for that for me much to anybody in no madhu crime novels usually try to restore things to the status quo especially evil should be punished and locked away and carry on does this the best he can he says but this is ultimately futile in the third reich it s the criminals he s hunting up both the murderous and his superiors you know and he s in a rather bizarre situation and this is what i wanted to trade in chicken with. rick. i have vivid
memories of the third man it s wonderful i always try to imagine those scenes when i write. sometimes i imagine scenes in black and white. film noir has had an enormous influence on me. that s. what the book now. also addresses the fact that many french artists including john cook told admired the german counterparts people like hitler s favorite sculptor. doorway. and was a major collaborator he organized the big breaker exhibition in paris in one thousand nine hundred two and wrote an introduction for it. who was fascinated with erotica visited the exhibition. he said it s
a good thing statues don t have erections otherwise there d be no room to move around. according shasta swapan the. publisher is based in new york. when his books come out in the u.s. he travels around the country to promote them this time because wife writer jane time has come along americans love his blend of nazi horror and hard boiled detective fiction. there s only one thing worse than being an american book tour and that s not being asked to do with america too. because it s like it s it s. there s a lot of adrenaline and it s a performance. in
new york he makes an appearance at a small but well stocked bookstore that specializes in crime novels the mysterious bookshop. unlike his colleagues doesn t care much for standard readings he prefers to talk about his latest books. over the years i ve learned a lot awful lot about this period and you know you read about one concentration camp or another or the holocaust and i became aware of the existence of this place in the former yugoslavia which was called just the end of the just end of it wasn t just the death count it was an murder and cruelty and killing cap. and that the cruelties that were practice there were unspeakable i m not going to
give into details but they put this way it was so bad that your original s.s. detachment who d been sent. back to berlin and said look can we leave this place it was so bad even the s.s. didn t want to be there bags how bad it was. there s a kind of a train parked in this field it was the death train rather like the sort of train that arrived auschwitz men women and children were taken off this train and they were they went on this little ferry across a river and on this island there were all these people waiting to murder them with axes and. and beheading is become a kind of a phenomenon that we ve become we ve become very familiar with in in the newspapers of late. these yugoslavian roman catholic priests who were principally
responsible for getting. nazi war criminals out. there was nobody worse than these people i think they probably killed. between eighty and one hundred thousand people on this little island roman catholic priests anyway that was the other thing why i want to write about the yugoslavs and the croats because it s commonly. assumed that it was the germans. who. killed people and we forget the role played by some of the other races in europe like like the crow and so. there have been in auschwitz because i mean there s no scene in there s not really a scene in the book which is set out if there had been i would have got not yet well no i don t think there will be actually because i feel i would feel probably uncomfortable writing about it because i feel that. if it was something that was so awful i think you know to try and
describe it i don t think unless you ve been there you kind of earned the right probably to write about it if you ve been there but i think you haven t really read the right to write about it if you hadn t been there. and i had to sort it was difficult because when i wrote from zagreb i had to go to this place this awful concentration camp. in bosnia called years and verge and. i felt i had to get permission from the people who had died there so i sort of stood in the sounds melodramatic but that s how it felt your stood in the cattle the the wagons had transported the people on the train. the train is there so you can actually stand in these cattle cars and feel what it must to be like so i felt i had to sort of you know pray almost to the people and say look if i m right about this i promise i will not you know it s trivialize this and i promise i will
be your. chart. minute ok. professor now four years oh i see you may want to see your weather front camera. now you ve been to see what you re about the qualities not thank you. everything. is. ok thank you so much. for. paris august nine hundred forty four the city s new german commander general
details from cultists has earned his respect by leveling service to poll with the so-called col c. took on. hitler demanded that paris suffer the same fate. but fun call to ignore what his order is by then he had decided that hitler was insane. some reports say that hitler phoned the general in a rage and screamed is paris burning. not he writes about the battles between resistance fighters and german troops in the final days of the occupation. hundreds were killed in the fighting. one called it surrendered his troops on august twenty fifth.
later that day general shanda gold arrived in paris as the leader of the provisional government of the french republic. the german up. of the french capital . residents celebrated. they also started punishing alleged collaborators french women who had fashioned with german soldiers who publicly humiliated this was the beginning of a partial rewriting of the history of the war but the nazi refuses to accept this interpretation. it s scapegoat politics so many things happened it s time to come clean. in any case war has always been waged on the bodies of women.
when you conquer a country you rape the women. in order to liberate the country you shave the heads of women. may not have slept with germans. such uncivilized things didn t happen in the upper echelons. so. it was a way to deal with the horror of the war. and to create a morally superior version of the past the. among. the so. crime novels because they represent my dark view of the world the war and the period of collaboration are perfectly suited for crime novels. that. there s more the pressure increase to bit by bit more success means more pressure and you grow into it and box it up to the office and i m glad that my first novel
babylon berlin wasn t immediately a huge success i m going to have otherwise i would have had to keep chasing that success and even under bush going to cross did that his whole life because of the tin drum. it was kind of tragic luckily i didn t suffer the same fate though i ll never win a nobel prize. this is. the one of the earliest forms of writing ever this is about five thousand years b.c. . and these little marks on it were written by. an architect and these things used to they used to put them in little holes in the bill in the building that they d made and it was a description of who the architect was and it was like a little autobiography or a little. like a little brass plaque on the wall. that s
right. it you know i think it s good to have a really early writing in front of you when when you re doing this because it just reminds you that really. it s the only thing if you that will maybe lost. so much money and. i m going out. my character meeting me would be a pretty horrific experience he he would have had a good life for me this is the ambivalent relationship writers have with their characters because they know in their bones inside themselves they know their
character would hate them. and mine would certainly hate me. just as if i was at a time like you ask yourself what would i have done back then and but you don t have an answer with your life you can come close to announce that through the novel certainly through the situations that your characters get themselves into through their actions and development and we can all. be untrue but you ll probably never find an onside and. this is a maybe so not necessary. but it s good if some readers think about it his own and only as of and and ask themselves the same questions that we do you know i mean what would i have done back then i said it and i was going to. leave the best way to understand writers is through their books this meeting was very nice but the book reveals all that soon evil.
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Transcripts For DW Check-in - On Potsdamer Platz In Berlin 20180115 02:30:00


globe trotters steve hamish sent his regards from austria. first i want to get up this building to get a panoramic view of potsdam up lots of. europe s fastest elevator takes you up to the twenty fourth floor in twenty seconds clacked . one hundred meters up you can see that potsdamer platz is at the heart of the city there you ve got the right start building the brandenburg gate the philharmonic. that you re gonna slide to group locks and to nice recognize the t.v. tower. and. the back around the cafe is the perfect place to take a little break and enjoy the view. during the golden twenty s this
was the place to be there are luxury hotels fashionable restaurants movie houses and theaters but during world war two parts them up lots was almost an entire league destroyed and it took close to half a century to rebuild it. this is part of some other plots as we now know it. back in the one nine hundred twenty s. this intersection was already a hive of activity until bombs pounded into rubble in the second world war. then it became a wasteland in the middle of a divided city. when the berlin wall went up in one thousand nine hundred sixty one which so much let s became part of a closely watched no man s land known as the death strip. the first segments of the
modern architecture and modern art go hand in hand these are boxers. and this style church is called galileo. but one of the hidden gems here is found behind these historic house which is home to the dimer art collection. art historian catching hodges ellis giving me a special tour you know dime lawyer doesn t just build cars they collect modern art . that is and was put about this is a large photograph by a chinese artist named jungle who and you can see him on this large photo it bears the title me and my teacher. the collection is dedicated to contemporary arts and features pop art to. get out
by exactly how to harness it to mercedes models by andy warhol we commissioned them for the hundredth anniversary of the automobile in one thousand nine hundred six. and that s. this picture by billy baumeister was the first to be purchased for the collection in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. the bomb i saw it almost it was a very prominent abstract artist in post-war germany that s why we see this as an important work for our collection it s a cornerstone that s why that was the cornerstone how did it continue how big is the collection now. hard to have. we now have about two thousand seven hundred artworks by some six hundred german and international artists both male and female but we collected all kinds of our own photography painting in. still ations video
art. video we have no restrictions at this but it s kind of like when. there s a new exhibition twice a year and it doesn t cost anything to get it. and during our free of charge what better way to pass a where are they coming up we ve got plenty more tips on how to explore berlin while keeping warm and holding on to your you re. not far from. you ll find the topography of terror documentation center in winter most of its outside areas are closed for the indoor permanent exhibition is open it documents the crimes the nazis planned on this site and committed across europe. the headquarters of the stoppel and s. s. were here until nine hundred forty five so it was the nerve center of the nazi regime. it s important to.
speak for history. the goods are part of what sometimes it is. and there is the story. like all nazi era on the morial sites it s free of charge. really in the city palace is being rebuilt at the heart of the city in front of it stands a giant angular structure the whole box here you can find out about the history of the palace also free of charge. animated exhibits show how the ambitious project will look when it s finished the historical facade encloses a modern interior. box already houses some of the exhibits that will later move into the palace the ethnological collections of berlin s museums very much in line with the endeavors of german explore alexander for whom was whose name the new palace bears. the old forum is set to open in twenty nineteen.
be wonderful. the money you saved on tickets you can easily blow on pots them up lots in the casino. the cinema. the clubs or the theatre. or you can go on a little shopping spree this mall has over one hundred stores. it s also where you can find berlin s best sundays or at least the biggest. and italian masterpiece here in early.
if you don t want to use your data plan while exploring the area no problem sum up lots was one of the first places in the city with a free public why fight another. graine thing about having a good internet connection is that it makes him super easy to keep in touch with the folks back home maybe by sending them a little video that s exactly what our viewer carlos from poland did he spent three weeks traveling in morocco with his wife and they captured the best moments on camera and they were kind enough to share them with us so here it is our e-mail of the week.
the less windsor tends to be dark and dreary but for ten days in february the stars are shining brightly that s one berlin hosted annual international film festival the burly molly right here on pot some on plots you can encounter some of the world s biggest movie stars in the flats and it s the place to be first to you and celebrity status from around the globe. every year in february the theater on potsdamer platz turns into the belly non of pop. stars who have already graced the red carpet here in berlin include catherine deneuve. and ella b. cruz. you jackman. robert pattinson. berlin love celebrities and they love. film buffs are already
on rolling their sleeping mats to make sure they can get tickets some tickets are sold online but most are available at the box office three days before each screening that means. i one radio was frail is bad. i have in front of the queue really has its own feel it has its own energy and so that also gets translated into the film festival it s a very different cinema experience it s not about popcorn but about real film buffs coming together. speaking of popcorn one of the many berlin film festival sections is coen airy cinema first a movie featuring food is screened and afterwords gourmet chefs serve a menu inspired by. if that s too straight laced for you it s off to the bradley not a party they take place all over the city. this is where the industry insiders meet it s all about scene and b c. it s
also ideal for autograph hunters there s just one judge you need an invitation or put on your glad rags and take your chances it might work but more getting there can be quite slippery. and even if it s not really knowledge time putts some up lots is the place to be for film buffs welcome to the sony center. at the imax cinemas you can watch three d. movies and films in the original. and if you want to dive into the history of german cinema in t.v. you can find classics costumes glamour and lots of fun facts at the film museum.
from the start of the silver screen up until the present day he took and knows every last detail about the collection like about the first recorded moving pictures for example. or homage to metropolis the nine hundred twenty seven dystopian masterpiece produced by fritz learned that back in the days of serve yours and critics throughout the world. it went down in cinema history and inspired influenced many directors because it s now when you know schools world heritage list. so much to learn did you know the first ever academy award for a male lead went to a german silent movie actor. they. went to a million things in one thousand twenty nine for the one nine hundred twenty eight twenty nine season at the time people wanted all aware what an important award it
would become in later years. so. that. the museum also houses a real muslim in detroit sanctuary she still considered a fashion icon today and one of berlin s most successful cultural exports. will be exhibit reveal any secrets about melinda dietrich even to die hard fans. bending over. permanent exhibition shows some aspects that interest younger visitors. such as the fashion icon the woman who wore trousers in the 1930 s. you didn t see them in the west german parliament until the one nine hundred seventy s.
. plenty of rare insights into marlene this private life here like her makeup case given to her by director he was a fun stand back i could use one of these from my travels. talking about cinematography our globe trotters steve has regularly supplies us with amazing images from his travels and this time he and his travel companion chris and addison are even that far away from here there and austria as winter wonderland. in austria i m here with christine and it s pretty much revenues who will be skiing for the past. i m in a life and what better place where not the largest series are in austria but we re also going to be showing you things to do with the season and without ok let s check it out.
so let s see how kristen is performing. it s looking good so far. it was a cool thing about seeing you getting on top of all these beautiful mountains and you have this view. pristine on the first day of steam. much. pressure how you re doing swell so well. all right next thing on our list is nights lead to. some real. feeling slightly.
begins today we are in whole fierce and this is a big one hotspot we re going to get this for the track. good luck you ll get. there early and that s fearful and but the most fun part is the shooting. the most awesome thing of doing all these sports is you make up for the food you eat up to it. so we end this vague. with a torch what. route.
is it from the ski set this. night has fallen over upon some of the lockers which means it s cocktail so. there are plenty of options around the square but i know exactly where i want to go . into fragrances at the ritz carlton hotel bar with the rather unique concept of. the cocktails looks to tackler and tastes amazing there s no many on here if you want to order a drink you have to smell your way through a perfect gallery if you like one of the scent the mixologists will shake you a cocktail based on it. it is bar manager are intending heights and. he came up with the idea and the poetic descriptions of the feelings associated to the fragrances and cocktails. until you see
in the buckingham palace it s all been fun and relaxing and voile. thanks i m going for the bolder e.l.t. blue actually got a blue t. in it and a lot more besides. time to taste it. wow it really comes close to the fragrance is. delicious. how big a role does your nose play in your sense of taste the present. it s a seventy percent if you have a cold you can t taste any more because the nose removes all the aroma must be also or if your favorite bar generally serves drinks that are too sour you can take vanilla purview molong spray it on your hand drink your drink and it will taste sweeter and vice versa with lemon perfume what would you add to. what or you just
make friends with the barkeeper i think i ve done it but even better than the. fine art film and fancy cocktails this day has certainly is that is all my senses but now it s time to head home and lucky for me that could not be easier no matter where you re going from pot some outlets chances are good they ll be a bust and or a new bundle take you straight there see an exciting.
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