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the taiwanese and support them to the best degree possible. we haven't done any of that, it's ambivalence. neil: we look kind of wormish, maybe that's not the intention, when they had the provocative jet action, we were the ones trying to call the next day and wouldn't talk to us. i mean, it just looks so-- >> look what happened with the balloon, that was an intelligence balloon. the sense er sensor package wase of a school bus and over our defense fields that old the icbm systems and traveled across the united states and finally shot it down over the south carolina coast. it's just, it makes no sense to me and that's what i was talking about with lloyd austin when he speaks like that in singapore at the conference. look, you need to be the tough guy. you're the muscle of the united states government. you're not the state department
>> it is being said out of rome, out of italy this was done in the u.s. embassy, there was a certain state department guy whose name i don't know yet, i guess this is probably going to come out in italy at some point, and he was the mastermind, not the mastermind, but the, anyway, the guy running the operation of changing the votes, and that he was doing this in conjunction with some support from mi-6, the cia, and this lendo group. >> mr. donoghue, what was your reaction when you watched that entire 20-minute video? >> i emailed the acting attorney general and i said pure insanity which was my impression of the video, which was patently absurd. >> patently absurd. >> patently absurd about vote
republican congressman scott perry texted a youtube link to former president trump's chief of staff mark meadows with the question, why can't we work with the italian government? again, that's from a sitting united states congressman to the chief of staff of the united states. the man in that video made an outrageous claim that italian satellites were used to switch votes from trump to biden. >> what's being sent out of rome, out of italy, is that this was done in the u.s. embassy. that there was a certain state department guy, whose name i don't know yet. i guess this is probably going to come out in italy at some point, and he was the mastermind, not the mastermind, but the -- anyway, the guy running the operation of changing the votes. and that he was not doing this in conjunction with some support from mi6, the cia, and this
internet to the highest echelons of our government. on december 31, mr. meadows received this internet conspiracy theory from representative perry. on the screen now is the text that representative perry send to mr. meadows copying a youtube link saying "we can't we just work with the italian government?" the next day, the president's chief of staff sent the youtube link to mr. rosen that forwarded it to mr. donoghue. mr. donoghue, did you watch there video? >> i did, congressman. >> how long was the video? >> president 20 minutes. >> let's just take a look at an excerpt of that video. >> what's being said, this was done in the u.s. embassy. that there was a certain state department guy whose name i don't know yet. i guess this is probably going to come out in italy at some
leadership, and the american people after syria now and shutdown and then the military debacle, and i want to go over to rosen for. this rosen, you are a state department guy, knock but obviously the military, very, very involved with the state department. and this comes out yesterday, were you surprised, rosen, that this was so botched by the department of defense? >> well, it is surprising that the administration and the house republicans and the democrats in congress all worked very effectively together as we were steaming towards a shutdown to keep the the military troops funded. but somehow would have left out of that the pay for families, especially in such dire circumstances. so it is surprising. i can tell you i spent the day on the phone working the phones with democrats who are in and out of government who are well plugged in and also who are on the house side and the senate side in the leadership and i can tell you what their calculation going forward is. you will hear both sides say. this they think time is on their side.
leadership, and the american people after syria now and shutdown and then the military debacle, and i want to go over to rosen for. this rosen, you are a state department guy, knock but obviously the military, very, very involved with the state department. and this comes out yesterday, were you surprised, rosen, that this was so botched by the department of defense? >> well, it is surprising that the administration and the house republicans and the democrats in congress all worked very effectively together as we were steaming towards a shutdown to keep the the military troops funded. but somehow would have left out of that the pay for families, especially in such dire circumstances. so it is surprising. i can tell you i spent the day on the phone working the phones with democrats who are in and out of government who are well plugged in and also who are on the house side and the senate side in the leadership and i can tell you what their calculation going forward is. you will hear both sides say. this they think time is on their side.
libya over the others? why want the state department guy to answer but p.j. the straight up guy. there is a reason we choose libya and not the four or five other countries? if you look at bahrain, you might be able to sort out where we are on things. >>guest: well, i do think this step was appropriate because of the threat that muammar qaddafi posed to his people. i have called for the staff of the administration, if we establish a muammar qaddafi standard in the region which is appropriate, then, there is no difference between what he is doing in libya and assad if syria, and the hillary clinton echoed by the president have said, that assad lacks legitimacy, as well, but it will, there is not necessarily the same kind of military option available in syria. there is not a military operation available in syria
call them that or not and the credibility of the united states and nato is on the line so the operations need to continue for as long as it takes. >>shepard: need to continue for as long as it takes. that sounds ... scary, like a war without end. what did libya do to us again? how did they attack us? >>guest: understand, shep, this a limited operation, limited by the u.n. security council resolution that authorized it and limited in temperatures of using air power and a lot of other tools but not putting troops on the ground but it is a sustainable operation. >>shepard: how do we choose libya over the others? why want the state department guy to answer but p.j. the straight up guy. there is a reason we choose libya and not the four or five other countries? if you look at bahrain, you
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