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The Media Show-20210911-01:35:00

promote equality and diversity. i know you all paid close attention to jack's speech. did it resonate with you? did it describe the world you recognise, briony? same at 100%. it was startling and i messaged jack straight afterwards and said i was actually in tears because it resonated so much.- actually in tears because it resonated so much. and that is the key problem. _ resonated so much. and that is the key problem. that - resonated so much. and that is the key problem. that is - resonated so much. and that is the key problem. that is the i the key problem. that is the key issue _ the key problem. that is the key issue. i am a disabled wheelchair user, i am a drama producer— wheelchair user, i am a drama producer but my god they have not made — producer but my god they have not made it easy for me. it has not made it easy for me. it has not been — not made it easy for me. it has not been handed out to me on a silver_ not been handed out to me on a silver platter, that is for sure _ silver platter, that is for sure. and in terms of access i fundamentally agree with jack. there — fundamentally agree with jack. there is— fundamentally agree with jack. there is no access. it has been made — there is no access. it has been made fundamentally difficult for me — made fundamentally difficult for me to get anyone to do my joh _ for me to get anyone to do my joh in— for me to get anyone to do my job. in fact, i've had to keep people — job. in fact, i've had to keep people tell me, i don't think you should do producing. i don't — you should do producing. i don't think you will work on television. you are building at all locations. it is only

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The Media Show-20210911-01:31:00

hello, welcome to the media share. in a moment we are going to talk about channel 4, its new headquarters in leeds have just opened and the government consultation on whether to privatise it is into the final straight. we will hear the case for privatisation from a former channel five ceo and if you're wondering whether any of this has anything to do with the telly watch we will unpack that, too. first, though, let's talk to jack thorne who is an acclaimed screenwriter who has worked on his dark materials, shameless and skins among many others. and at this year's edinburgh tv festival he gave taggart lecture which is one of the most high—profile moments for the tv industry and in that, he was blunt, telling the audience tv has failed disabled

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The Media Show-20210911-01:38:00

problem or you _ you feel sometimes like a problem or you become . you feel sometimes like a . problem or you become this issue — problem or you become this issue whereas _ problem or you become this issue whereas actually, - problem or you become this issue whereas actually, if i issue whereas actually, if everywhere, _ issue whereas actually, if everywhere, jack - issue whereas actually, if everywhere, jack is - issue whereas actually, if i everywhere, jack is saying, issue whereas actually, if - everywhere, jack is saying, was accessible — everywhere, jack is saying, was accessible and _ everywhere, jack is saying, was accessible and access _ everywhere, jack is saying, was accessible and access was - accessible and access was thought— accessible and access was thought through - accessible and access was thought through you'd i accessible and access was thought through you'd be| accessible and access was i thought through you'd be able to go— thought through you'd be able to go on— thought through you'd be able to go on and _ thought through you'd be able to go on and do— thought through you'd be able to go on and do your- thought through you'd be able to go on and do yourjob- thought through you'd be able to go on and do yourjob and i to go on and do yourjob and that— to go on and do yourjob and that is— to go on and do yourjob and that is where _ to go on and do yourjob and that is where it _ to go on and do yourjob and that is where it is _ to go on and do yourjob and that is where it is exciting. l that is where it is exciting. that — that is where it is exciting. that is— that is where it is exciting. that is where _ that is where it is exciting. that is where disabled i that is where it is exciting. i that is where disabled people, we are — that is where disabled people, we are very— that is where disabled people, we are very solution _ that is where disabled people, we are very solution focused i that is where disabled people, | we are very solution focused as people — we are very solution focused as people and _ we are very solution focused as people and therefore _ we are very solution focused as people and therefore we - we are very solution focused as people and therefore we are i people and therefore we are very— people and therefore we are very creative _ people and therefore we are very creative and _ people and therefore we are very creative and actually. people and therefore we are i very creative and actually when disability— very creative and actually when disability is _ very creative and actually when disability is seeping _ very creative and actually when disability is seeping through i disability is seeping through into the _ disability is seeping through into the media _ disability is seeping through into the media people - disability is seeping through into the media people get. into the media people get excited _ into the media people get excited about— into the media people get excited about it _ into the media people get excited about it because i into the media people get| excited about it because it into the media people get. excited about it because it is creatively— excited about it because it is creatively interesting - excited about it because it is creatively interesting and i creatively interesting and exciting _ creatively interesting and exciting. that _ creatively interesting and exciting. that is- creatively interesting and exciting. that is what i creatively interesting and exciting. that is what is. creatively interesting and i exciting. that is what is also missing _ exciting. that is what is also missing is _ exciting. that is what is also missing is that _ exciting. that is what is also missing is that people - exciting. that is what is also missing is that people see . exciting. that is what is alsoi missing is that people see us as a — missing is that people see us as a lesson _ missing is that people see us as a lesson actually - missing is that people see us as a lesson actually we - missing is that people see us as a lesson actually we add l missing is that people see us| as a lesson actually we add to as a lesson actually we add to a situation _ as a lesson actually we add to a situation. we _ as a lesson actually we add to a situation. we are _ as a lesson actually we add to a situation. we are one - as a lesson actually we add to a situation. we are one in- as a lesson actually we add toj a situation. we are one in five people — a situation. we are one in five people so— a situation. we are one in five people so if— a situation. we are one in five people so if you _ a situation. we are one in five people so if you do _ a situation. we are one in five people so if you do 20% - a situation. we are one in five people so if you do 20% of. a situation. we are one in five i people so if you do 20% of your teenager— people so if you do 20% of your teenager missing _ people so if you do 20% of your teenager missing 20% - people so if you do 20% of your teenager missing 20% of - people so if you do 20% of your teenager missing 20% of the i teenager missing 20% of the voices— teenager missing 20% of the voices and _ teenager missing 20% of the voices and that _ teenager missing 20% of the voices and that usually - teenager missing 20% of the voices and that usually that i voices and that usually that means— voices and that usually that means you're _ voices and that usually that means you're missing i voices and that usually that means you're missing out i voices and that usually that. means you're missing out on ideas — means you're missing out on ideas. ., ., , ., , ideas. not that there should be our “ob ideas. not that there should be yourjob any — ideas. not that there should be yourjob any more _ ideas. not that there should be yourjob any more than - ideas. not that there should be yourjob any more than it i ideas. not that there should be yourjob any more than it is i yourjob any more than it is anyone else's but i wonder, all four of you, when you look at these experiences playing out and you have them yourself, how do you explain those to everyone that you're telling about them? why do you think

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The Media Show-20210911-01:43:00

behind _ organically from the people behind the screens as well, implementing those stories jack said, _ implementing those stories jack said. he's— implementing those stories jack said, he's been struggling to .et said, he's been struggling to get their— said, he's been struggling to get their stories told in this isjack_ get their stories told in this isjack thorne. | get their stories told in this is jack thorne.— get their stories told in this is jack thorne. i would add to that. is jack thorne. i would add to that- the _ is jack thorne. i would add to that. the initial— is jack thorne. i would add to that. the initial question - is jack thorne. i would add to l that. the initial question made out to— that. the initial question made out to the _ that. the initial question made out to the field _ that. the initial question made out to the field disabled - out to the field disabled people _ out to the field disabled people. yes _ out to the field disabled people. yes. television| out to the field disabled - people. yes. television has because _ people. yes. television has because it _ people. yes. television has because it lacks _ people. yes. television has because it lacks ambition . people. yes. television has. because it lacks ambition and imagination— because it lacks ambition and imagination about _ because it lacks ambition and imagination about the - imagination about the possibility— imagination about the possibility of- imagination about the possibility of what - imagination about the - possibility of what disabled people _ possibility of what disabled people can _ possibility of what disabled people can do _ possibility of what disabled people can do and - possibility of what disabled people can do and who - possibility of what disabled - people can do and who disabled people — people can do and who disabled people are _ people can do and who disabled people are and _ people can do and who disabled people are and it— people can do and who disabled people are and it is— people can do and who disabled people are and it is a _ people can do and who disabled people are and it is a simple - people are and it is a simple as that _ people are and it is a simple as that if_ people are and it is a simple as that. if you _ people are and it is a simple as that. if you live _ people are and it is a simple as that. if you live in - people are and it is a simple as that. if you live in a - people are and it is a simple as that. if you live in a silo l as that. if you live in a silo within— as that. if you live in a silo within a _ as that. if you live in a silo within a genre _ as that. if you live in a silo within a genre or- as that. if you live in a silo within a genre or within i as that. if you live in a siloi within a genre or within the world — within a genre or within the world in— within a genre or within the world in which _ within a genre or within the world in which you - within a genre or within the world in which you are - within a genre or within the i world in which you are working and your— world in which you are working and your understanding- world in which you are working and your understanding of- world in which you are working and your understanding of any| and your understanding of any particular— and your understanding of any particular group— and your understanding of any particular group is— and your understanding of any particular group is limited - particular group is limited then— particular group is limited then that _ particular group is limited then that is _ particular group is limited then that is what - particular group is limited then that is what you - particular group is limited| then that is what you seek particular group is limited i then that is what you seek to replicate _ then that is what you seek to replicate and _ then that is what you seek to replicate and if _ then that is what you seek to replicate and if you _ then that is what you seek to replicate and if you do - then that is what you seek to replicate and if you do not i then that is what you seek to. replicate and if you do not see ambition— replicate and if you do not see ambition and _ replicate and if you do not see ambition and authority - replicate and if you do not see ambition and authority and - ambition and authority and leadership— ambition and authority and leadership and _ ambition and authority and leadership and humour- ambition and authority and leadership and humour in i leadership and humour in disability— leadership and humour in disability and _ leadership and humour in disability and disabled . leadership and humour in - disability and disabled people then you're _ disability and disabled people then you're not _ disability and disabled people then you're not going - disability and disabled people then you're not going to - disability and disabled people then you're not going to look| then you're not going to look for any— then you're not going to look for any of— then you're not going to look for any of that. _ then you're not going to look for any of that. never - then you're not going to look for any of that. never mind l then you're not going to look . for any of that. never mind the drama — for any of that. never mind the drama of— for any of that. never mind the drama of life. _ for any of that. never mind the drama of life. you _ for any of that. never mind the drama of life. you know, - for any of that. never mind the drama of life. you know, life i drama of life. you know, life isn't — drama of life. you know, life isn't sad _ drama of life. you know, life isn't sad to. _ drama of life. you know, life isn't sad to, as _ drama of life. you know, life isn't sad to, as a _ drama of life. you know, life isn't sad to, as a disabled i isn't sad to, as a disabled person _ isn't sad to, as a disabled person it _ isn't sad to, as a disabled person. it is— isn't sad to, as a disabled person. it is not - isn't sad to, as a disabled i person. it is not miserable. isn't sad to, as a disabled - person. it is not miserable. is person. it is not miserable. as ou are person. it is not miserable. you are saying that i'm thinking of another quote from jack's speech in which he said

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The Media Show-20210911-01:37:00

have — there is a lot of prejudice we have to _ there is a lot of prejudice we have to fight against to get there _ have to fight against to get there. if— have to fight against to get there. , , ., , . there. if it is your experience as a producer _ there. if it is your experience as a producer and _ there. if it is your experience as a producer and jack's - as a producer and jack's experience as a screenwriter, surely, what about you as an actor? , . actor? very much the same. i sent actor? very much the same. i spent most — actor? very much the same. i spent most of _ actor? very much the same. i spent most of my _ actor? very much the same. i spent most of my early - actor? very much the same. i j spent most of my early career being — spent most of my early career being auditioned _ spent most of my early career being auditioned in— spent most of my early career being auditioned in leicester. being auditioned in leicester square, _ being auditioned in leicester square, in _ being auditioned in leicester square, in corridors, - being auditioned in leicesterl square, in corridors, outside, having— square, in corridors, outside, having the_ square, in corridors, outside, having the disabled _ square, in corridors, outside, having the disabled toilet - square, in corridors, outside, having the disabled toilet is l having the disabled toilet is my having the disabled toilet is nry green— having the disabled toilet is my green room. _ having the disabled toilet is my green room. jobs - having the disabled toilet is my green room. jobs and l my green room. jobs and additions— my green room. jobs and additions taking - my green room. jobs and additions taking off- my green room. jobs and additions taking off me . my green room. jobs and - additions taking off me when they— additions taking off me when they realised _ additions taking off me when they realised i— additions taking off me when they realised i was _ additions taking off me when they realised i was disabled i they realised i was disabled because _ they realised i was disabled because it _ they realised i was disabled because it didn't— they realised i was disabled because it didn't match - they realised i was disabled because it didn't match myi they realised i was disabled i because it didn't match my cv. just peoples _ because it didn't match my cv. just peoples assumptions, - just peoples assumptions, really~ _ just peoples assumptions, really. under— just peoples assumptions, really. under prejudice. i just peoples assumptions, i really. under prejudice. the fact— really. under prejudice. the fact that _ really. under prejudice. the fact that you're _ really. under prejudice. the fact that you're always - really. under prejudice. the fact that you're always the i fact that you're always the person _ fact that you're always the person who _ fact that you're always the person who goes - fact that you're always the person who goes on - fact that you're always the person who goes on and l fact that you're always the l person who goes on and has fact that you're always the - person who goes on and has to make _ person who goes on and has to make it — person who goes on and has to make it all— person who goes on and has to make it all right _ person who goes on and has to make it all right with _ make it all right with everybody _ make it all right with everybody to - make it all right with everybody to be - make it all right with everybody to be all. make it all right with - everybody to be all right with you — everybody to be all right with you it — everybody to be all right with you it is _ everybody to be all right with you. it is that— everybody to be all right with you. it is that continual- you. it is that continual fight _ you. it is that continual fight it— you. it is that continual fight it is— you. it is that continual fight. it is not- you. it is that continual fight. it is notjust - you. it is that continual fight. it is notjust likei fight. it is notjust like someone _ fight. it is notjust like someone going - fight. it is notjust like someone going in- fight. it is notjust like someone going in and| fight. it is notjust like - someone going in and doing the 'ob someone going in and doing the job for— someone going in and doing the job for the — someone going in and doing the job for the first _ someone going in and doing the job for the first time _ someone going in and doing the job for the first time which - someone going in and doing the job for the first time which is . job for the first time which is what — job for the first time which is what all— job for the first time which is what all get _ job for the first time which is what all get nervous - job for the first time which is what all get nervous on - job for the first time which is what all get nervous on her. what all get nervous on her first— what all get nervous on her first day— what all get nervous on her first day of— what all get nervous on her first day of a _ what all get nervous on her first day of a job. _ what all get nervous on her first day of a job. you - what all get nervous on her first day of a job. you don'tj first day of a job. you don't have — first day of a job. you don't have to _ first day of a job. you don't have to go _ first day of a job. you don't have to go in _ first day of a job. you don't have to go in and _ first day of a job. you don't have to go in and an- first day of a job. you don't i have to go in and an advocate for your— have to go in and an advocate for your community— have to go in and an advocate for your community and - have to go in and an advocatej for your community and make everyone _ for your community and make everyone else _ for your community and make everyone else comfortable. . for your community and make . everyone else comfortable. you have _ everyone else comfortable. you have to — everyone else comfortable. you have to advocate _ everyone else comfortable. you have to advocate for _ everyone else comfortable. you have to advocate for your- everyone else comfortable. you have to advocate for your own l have to advocate for your own access — have to advocate for your own access and _ have to advocate for your own access. and that _ have to advocate for your own access. and that always - have to advocate for your ownl access. and that always makes you feel— access. and that always makes you feel sometimes _ access. and that always makes you feel sometimes like - access. and that always makes you feel sometimes like a - you feel sometimes like a problem _ you feel sometimes like a problem or— you feel sometimes like a

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The Media Show-20210911-01:48:00

would be surprised. it is just a general commitment is saying, look, we are here as employees as well. we are here to make a great programme but we also want to take away some of the question marks as well and to reassure people. but it was incrediblyjoyful reassure people. but it was incredibly joyful experience. we got to catch the most incredible cast of disabled actors as well. most of you have not done tv work. undefined if people just extraordinary and i'm not undefined if peoplejust extraordinary and i'm not going to lie i cried like a baby when we were filming one particular scene because i was in a room full of disabled people who were doing something quite monumental and joyful and purposeful and that such a rarity in our industry and really got to me. i rarity in our industry and really got to me.- really got to me. i can understand _ really got to me. i can understand why. - really got to me. i can understand why. jack, j really got to me. i can - understand why. jack, just before we finish this discussion, you gave this, as i said, very blunt speech that demanded the industry's attention. i wonder what the reaction was from the big guns

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The Media Show-20210911-01:46:00

street have been phenomenalfor me. we have got wheelchair accessible all around the streets which makes it easier for older people and people carrying anything. people don't realise that access incident just for the disabled because it makes life better everywhere and for coronation street to tell that story, think they are the only one who has told it other than jack's astounding drama which is coming up, which is told the story of how disabled people are doing and covid. we are one in five people. why are we being so excluded?— people. why are we being so excluded? ., ., g . . , excluded? you mentioned jack's new drama _ excluded? you mentioned jack's new drama you _ excluded? you mentioned jack's new drama you have _ excluded? you mentioned jack's new drama you have a _ excluded? you mentioned jack's new drama you have a couple i new drama you have a couple coming up, when barbara met allen and also help, the first of which briony has been involved in as well. does this mean that at least some things are improving, that it is easier to get commissions and when you do start work that experience is at least improving where it was? well, es, do improving where it was? well, yes. do some _ improving where it was? well, yes, do some degree. - improving where it was? well, | yes, do some degree. certainly there _ yes, do some degree. certainly there are — yes, do some degree. certainly there are commitments that we made _ there are commitments that we made post—edinburgh really, realty—

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The Media Show-20210911-01:56:00

will not commit.— will not commit. so you are sa in: will not commit. so you are saying that _ will not commit. so you are saying that a _ will not commit. so you are saying that a regulator i will not commit. so you are saying that a regulator that| saying that a regulator that can't force a public service broadcaster now but could in the future do so with a private operation. it the future do so with a private operation-— operation. it would not be ofcom that _ operation. it would not be ofcom that did _ operation. it would not be ofcom that did it. - operation. it would not be ofcom that did it. it - operation. it would not be| ofcom that did it. it would operation. it would not be i ofcom that did it. it would be a government contract that did it. you know, a contract. at the moment, ofcom has no power to discipline channel 4 when it blatantly ignores... to discipline channel 4 when it blatantly ignores. . .— to discipline channel 4 when it blatantly ignores... ofcom does have the ability _ blatantly ignores... ofcom does have the ability to _ blatantly ignores... ofcom does have the ability to issue - blatantly ignores... ofcom does have the ability to issue fine. i have the ability to issue fine. jack, they bring you in. why do you think this is a bad idea? i you think this is a bad idea? i don't really understand the argument put on the argument seems _ argument put on the argument seems to— argument put on the argument seems to me that their salaries are a _ seems to me that their salaries are a bit— seems to me that their salaries are a bit high and i don't think— are a bit high and i don't think that is necessarily true and — think that is necessarily true and i— think that is necessarily true and i don't really understand what — and i don't really understand what it— and i don't really understand what it focuses not on what channel _ what it focuses not on what channel 4 has done historically which — channel 4 has done historically which is — channel 4 has done historically which is made really good television. with a television that— television. with a television that people want to watch. and we live — that people want to watch. and we live in — that people want to watch. and we live in the age of if you can't — we live in the age of if you can't attract international finance _ can't attract international finance you are in trouble. it is very—

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The Media Show-20210911-01:41:00

individual— time to work that through as an individual so _ time to work that through as an individual so the _ time to work that through as an individual so the short - time to work that through as an individual so the short cut - time to work that through as an individual so the short cut is - individual so the short cut is to ignore _ individual so the short cut is to ignore it _ individual so the short cut is to ignore it— to ignore it. jack, let's bring ou in. to ignore it. jack, let's bring you in. there _ to ignore it. jack, let's bring you in. there is _ to ignore it. jack, let's bring you in. there is not - to ignore it. jack, let's bring you in. there is not much i to ignore it. jack, let's bring you in. there is not much to say other — you in. there is not much to say other than _ you in. there is not much to say other than what - you in. there is not much to say other than what they - you in. there is not much to i say other than what they have already said. thus the thing about the lecture. i was given this platform but really i was speaking on behalf of the community and that's all i tried to do and all three of these people actually read the speech before i it and all three gave notes on how to get the speech as strong as can be and there is a very big reason to be angry here that they set this target that with broadcasters of doubling disability by this year. in fact delayed a year by covid. and there was just massive, massive failures that instead of the sort of 5%, io% incremental group that we needed there was not .9%. tv is claiming that it is opening its arms and exclaiming that is changing and it's not. it is just not. in changing and it's not. it is just not-—

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