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one of those leaders is bill clinton. cnn spoke to him exclusively about the current conflict and the do you think of the airplane in ukraine. >> reporter: israel launched an offensive against gaza. this was a conflict you weren't able to resolve when you were in office, what makes you think that it's possible now? >> i think it's possible partly because at some point you get tired of doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same result. it's crazy. but i think that, and i hope that this will lead to everybody doing a little soul searching and trying to get back to the baseline issue of a peace agreement. now with hamas involved, it raises a different issue, which is that there's no way the
when i asked him if it is true that russians are helping to train his fighters, he refused to answer. i asked him the second time, i said if you're the prime minister and in control, why won't you tell me if they're helping you. he said, again, carol, i'm not going to talk about another sovereign. i only talk about donetsk, where he says he is in control. obviously he's being evasive and there is not even a clever way of doing it. what the truth is, we have to discover. >> chris cuomo reporting live from eastern ukraine, thanks so much.
israelis are going to give up the west bank and agree to a state unless hamas agrees to give up violence and recognizes israel to exist. they won't do it and that's sort of a nonstarter and i think it should be. that is, i think you can't vus have a one way peace. both sides have to give up what the other side most objects to. >> reporter: do you see that happening any time soon? >> i don't see it, but i feel that it could happen. i know that prime minister netanyahu could make a peace that major of israelis could support. they have said over and over again if he says that this is good for their security, they would support it. >> reporter: president clinton is traveling to australia to speak at the international aids
facts together so no one will have doubt, no fingers will be pointed about conspiracies, about ideology and politics govigov i governing this. >> no one can get to the crash site yet because of fighting in eastern ukraine. senator chris murphy says if the plane crash in ukraine, quote, doesn't wake up our european allies, it is hard to imagine what will. murphy, a democrat from connecticut, joins me now. good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> i don't know if you heard barbara starr's report, but she said they're trying to determine if russian personnel were actually on the scene when that missile was fired. if that's the case, is there any way putin can wiggle out? >> well, i'm not sure that putin can wiggle out regardless of whether or not russia corrected this spedirect missile strike. we have relative and complete confidence that missile system was provided by the russians. and if not for the russian decision to essentially run,
united states imposed last week. we imposed sanctions on the two biggest russian energy banks. but they aren't as effective as they should be if europe doesn't join us because if they can't get financing from american banks, they go to european banks. let's start there. let's milwaukee a decisiake a dl cut off financing. that would make putin start to think twice about whether he's going to continue to fund this conflict and in eastern ukraine. >> some expertes say if you put really, really tough sanctions on russia electron, it will bac into a corner and he'll act in a more aggressive way, forcing him to fight back. maybe diplomacy might be better at this point? >> i think vladimir putin understands strength. i think there is plenty of room for diplomacy, but right now, he is continuing his support of the separatist group in eastern ukraine because he really doesn't think that he's going to
assistance were responsible for this. and given that this mountain of evidence, you know, it is not -- it is understandable why they're doing what they're doing. they're trying to figure out a way out of this. and there is no way out. world opinion is building. the evidence is building. russia and the rebels will be held accountable. >> peter goals, thanks as always. i appreciate it. >> thank you, carol. >> i'll be right back. really... so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. introducing at&t mobile share value plans... ...with our best-ever pricing for business.
and since then we have heard a lot of claim and counterclaim from the two sides. the ukrainian government and the pro russian separatists. both really blaming each other at every stage. not just in terms of the air disaster itself, but also in the best way to respond to it. who is holding things up. who is letting the experts in or not letting the experts in. both tell very different stories. and you hit a very key reality here, and that is that ultimately none of this is going to be possible until both of those sides find enough common ground to agree upon an adequate response to a disaster of this scale. and it is only when that happens that these bodies are going to start to be treated with the dignity they really, really deserve. >> phil black reporting live for us this morning. thanks so much. the other big story, fierce fighting between israel and hamas takes an ugly turn as the death toll rises in the middle east. now the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is speaking out defending operations in gaza