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The Beat With Ari Melber

cooperate in the past. that's interesting coming to you as a legal analyst. speaks to the strength that smith doesn't just this the information that people know. follow-up on page 37. neal katyal, i want to bring you in, too. people ask, is it going to lead to anything? tonight it led to the indictment of donald trump for coup related conspiracies. on page 37 -- reading this for the first time on msnbc. language is interesting. conspiracy is that jack smith says was hatched in the white house at the highest levels of our government. and it says, quote, an agent of the defendant. always a bad sign when the outgoing president is described this way. an agent of the definite contacted a senator to help him deliver documents. the agent facilitated receipt of the, quote, fraudulent tickets asigned to the fraudulent electors in michigan and wisconsin.

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The Beat With Ari Melber

department. that's why there's so many coconspirators listed. one was a doj official at the time. third, something the january 6th committee shined a light on, donald trump's efforts repeatedly to get the vice president to do something the doj says was illegal, which is try to steal the election. fourth with the horrific violence, jack smith puts it -- he does not say donald trump was the sole cause of the violence. but he does say, new tonight in this indictment, that trump and his coconspirators tried to, quote, exploit the violence that did occur that day by people trump did summon to washington in an ongoing effort to try to illegally overthrow the election, even as that violence occurred and according to many, got out of control. that's different from incitement or insurrection. we're going to hear from the lawyer as we break this down.

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The Beat With Ari Melber

i also want to state, and you'll hear this repeatedly, that donald trump is a defendant. he has rights and he's legally presumed innocent in the american system and court of law. reading from the indictment, and then we're going to bring our lawyers back in. it states that trump pursued, quote, unlawful mean of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results, and goes on to state trump sought to enlist the vice president to use his ceremonial role at the january 6th certification to, quote, fraudulently alter the election results. bringing in christy greenberg. when you look at some of those details as i mentioned, not all involve the violence of january 6th. some of what is now newly put down in writing here, efforts to lobby or issue illegal orders to the vice president -- smith is saying that would have been an illegal plot even if no one stormed the capitol. >> right. i think this indictment -- i mean, he is in his taylor swift speak now era, jack smith. this is a speaking indictment 45

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The Beat With Ari Melber

who says he does see strong criminal evidence if provable in court. your reaction tonight. >> i think this might be one of many examples in which donald trump's extraordinary behavior makes prosecutors also behave in an unusual way. what we've seen in the case is the details help ground legal proceedings here. so the more there are facts to back up what the prosecutors are doing, the more it seems like the american people are going to understand, and i think that educational component of this indictment is crucial. >> thank you. stay with me. i want to add some of the new reporting to the point you raised, john, because one of the co-conspirators who is speaking through lawyers tonight is john eastman, and they say that it's, quote, easy to name anyone as a co-conspirator but they plan to show prosecutors why eastman should not and will not be charged. that sound like an individual

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