in better than better-than-expe cted, the market good love if futures way up right now, we have the latest moments ago, us secretary of state antony blinken suggested that hamas is moving the goal posts on ceasefire and hostage hostage negotiations. so where do things stand now and just in italian media reporting, the pope tuesday, homophobic slur behind closed doors again, this is a second and consecutive months sara sidner is out. i m john berman with kate baldwin in this is cnn news central all right the breaking. news that type of in-flight inflation data that a lot of people were hoping for. let s get right to cnn s rahel solomon with the very latest on this. what are the numbers show real? yeah, john, it may be somewhere outside, but it is cooling off in the inflation report, at least this inflation report. so this is cpi, the consumer price index. and what it shows is a better-than-expec ted measure on really every level, john. so let s talk about headline annual inflation that came in at 3.3%. this index increasing at 3.3% that is better than we saw the month prior. that is better than economists were expecting when you look at it on a monthly basis. and we haven t seen a figure like this since july of 2022. i want to say, and so inflation did not increase on a monthly basis. you like to see that now cpi is a basket of goods and services and the government sort of measure jurors that the price difference over time. so that s what we re talking about here. but john, even if you were to remove volatile categories, categories like food categories like energy, you get what s called core inflation. and this is a better underlying indicator of inflation and what the federal reserve has control over that also came at better-than-expected, both on ahead blind annual basis and on a monthly basis, really quickly to talk about some of the sectors which we re showing you here. gas prices, energy prices, those fell, food prices did tick up slightly ever so slightly and shelter, which has been especially stubborn has also increased in the month widget continues to do. now, let me tell you why futures are popping on this news are so happy about the zoo s investors welcoming this news with open arms because john, as you might remember earlier this year, we had a string not sure if the dow is correct because a moment ago when i saw the dow, it was actually up about 220 points, so we ll work on that for you. but the reason why futures were largely up, at least they were a few moments ago, is because we had gotten a string report after report after report, whether it was inflation, whether it was a labor market that was coming in stronger than expected? what that did those hot reports essentially through water on the idea that we might see rate cuts anytime soon. and so you get a report like this. i ll pull it up here. you get a report like this from the bls, which suggests that, okay, inflation is starting to cool again, it is starting to accommodate, be accommodating. well, that and puts rate cuts back on the table. there are four right. meetings. the rest of this year after this meeting, we will obviously here from jay powell and about six hours. but after this meeting, there are four meetings and so do we see more than one rate cut again? and so it just makes that conversation more active again because after these really hot inflation reports, it started to feel like, well, maybe we won t get any rate cuts or maybe we will only get one. and so we re back in the game, john, for all of those who were hoping for a rape gut, they are back in the game after a report like this, back in the game inflation slows down more than expected. what people want to see were hell solomon, thanks so much for explaining it so well, thank you. so president biden is headed to italy today. he s about to take off. you can see air force one right there. he s headed to italy for the g7 summit. there biden will be sitting down with world leaders with huge issues on the agenda, including the israel-hamas war. and moments ago, secretary of state tony blinken made his first substantive remarks after hamas offered its response to the us backed hostage and ceasefire deal approved by the un security council. this week. listen to tony blinken hamas has proposed numerous changes to the proposal that was on the table. we discussed those changes last night with depression colleagues and today with the prime minister some of the changes are workable some are not blinken, not immediately providing detail on what changes hamas once what the numerous changes are that they re proposing, seen as robertson is in italy ahead of the g7 summit. and nick tony blinken when out of his way to say g7 liters are among those who have all voiced their support for this hostage and ceasefire deal yeah, they have. so when they meet here where president biden everyone gets into town late tonight and i began meeting tomorrow perhaps this is not going to be a central ticket item on the planned agenda. but because of the bumps and the road getting to where we re at on these talks that egypt and qatar interlocutors on. undoubtedly, there s gonna be some discussion about how the g7 nations can help me please the ball forward because the narrative has been put pressure on hamas, put pressure on hamas it doesn t matter which diplomats in which country you re talking to either in the region or in europe that s the narrative at the moment. so you will have here the leaders of the ua and turkey who are not members of the g7, but will be undoubtedly consulted in conversations about how they can use their influence over hamas luck. we know that they re hamas leaders, the political leaders who live outside of gaza so they ve been to turkey, they ve met with president erdogan, the uae. has, has an influence in the region as well. saudi arabia, crown prince it s mohammed bin salman s still not clear as of yesterday because of the health of the king back in saudi arabia, whether or not he ll be here, but he s also invited and a key stakeholder and the humanitarian support and the rebuilding of gaza when there s a piece they ll, so these countries do have implements and do have a voice. so perhaps there ll be brought into the conversation, but it s not clear how they are actually going to leverage hamas who have already been under a lot of pressure already, who are clearly holding out for they think they re in a better position. we heard that indicated from the hamas leader yahya sinwar he thinks that they have israel, right where they want them according to documents seen by the wall street journal. so it s not clear what pressure can be applied, but conversations here that will be the question asked, how do we do and how do we move the ball forward? yeah, quite a moment in this one of many important issues that the world leaders are going to be hitting on great to have you, nick, thank you so much, john. with us now, max boot, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations, washington post columnist and the author of reagan, his life and legend, max, it is great to see you. i just want to read you again with the secretary just said because his words were carefully chosen and i think reflect the moment we re in the ceasefire and hostage discussions. the secretary said you get to a point where if one side continues to change its demands, including making demands on insisting on changes for things that had already accepted you have to question whether the proceeding and good faith or not. he says hamas is changing as demands. he says, the gaps he thinks are bridged able. but what do you make this? well, i m doubtful that the gaps are actually bridge evolving. we ve seen this going on for many months where the us has been searching for a ceasefire. it seems like there s progress being made, but at the end of the day, it falls through on in this case, it s falling through because of hamas and obviously israel it gets a lot of international criticism and understandably so because of all the civilian casualties being inflicted in gaza, but let s listen to what secretary blinken, president biden, and other g7 liters are saying, which is that right now, the fault lies with hamas. they could stop the war tomorrow if they would just agree to these ceasefire terms. they refuse to do so because as nic robertson was pointing out there s every indication that the hamas leadership thinks that s in their interest to see more dead palestinians, because that puts more pressure on israel. this proposal has the weight of un approval. you also think egypt, qatar, other nations, or more invested. seems like they re more invested in at this time maybe then they had been before. does that have any soy with hamas? sure doesn t look like it. i mean uis sinwar, who is hiding probably in some tunnel and in gaza has just rejected these terms. and the biden administration had some hopes that they could use egypt and qatar and other arab states to pressure him clearly, it has not worked. sinwar is playing his own game and he doesn t seem to care how many palestinians pay the price for continuing this war? so president biden on his way to europe right now for these g7 meetings hell of a lot is going on in europe over the last few days. these european parliament elections where the far-right parties have done very well extremely well in countries like france where emmanuel macron has called the snap elections. how do you think that will impact? the discussions over the next few days? well, clearly this is going to be something that all of the g7 liters can commiserate over aside, of course, from prime minister meloni, the host of italy, who is herself from the far-right. so she doesn t see this as a threat. i would just put what happened in europe and a little context, john, which has yes, the big story certainly from france in particular, is the very strong showing of the national rally, the far-right party. but keeping having it all in perspective, they re also a lot of countries where the far-right did not do so on that end of the day, the far-right is stilled, only going to be something like the fifth largest party in the european parliament. it s still the center right? in the center left, which are the largest party. so let s not exaggerate and let s keep in mind that and in a few weeks time in the uk the labour party is almost certain to win a massive landslide election victory. so i would not say that the far-right is taking over all of europe, but clearly they are resurgent in france and germany in particular. and that is something that is of mutual concern not only to president biden, but his fellow g7 liters, in part because so many of these far-right parties are sympathetic to russia. some of them have been financed by russia. and so they are not going to continue to support ukraine if they reach power you have this book on ronald reagan, which is so interesting in such an interesting moment because president biden for the anniversary of d-day, the 80th anniversary, just spoke in places and spoke in ways very reminiscent of where and how ronald reagan spoke 40 years ago in a way. and i don t think it was a mistake. i think this is very much on purpose suggesting that his foreign policy binds is much more similar to ronald reagan s than donald trump s is to ronald reagan s. yeah. so and i don t think that was a coincidence. that was the message you wanted to convey without coming out what i m saying so and it s one of these great ironies of history. in 1984 when, when ronald reagan was in europe for the 40th anniversary of d-day and gave of course, is very famous speech about the boys upon to hawk. he was really talking about the need for transatlantic unity for strengthening nato in the face of the soviet threat. and now president biden is trying to deliver a very similar message about strengthening nato in the face of the russian threat knowing of course that ronald reagan s own party has largely abandoned the very positions that he espoused in the 19. and i think he s trying to drive home. the fact that in fact, as you say, his foreign policy has a lot more in common with ronald reagan s than it does with donald trump s next food. great to see you looking forward to reading the book, i appreciate it. all right a special election overnight with the republican candidate underperforms where donald trump was before. so how significant? is that and then a supreme court ruling, could that end up helping hunter biden after his conviction on doug charges? and one of america s greatest athletes. i mean a legend. no one is like this man will not compete in the preeminent contest in his field. how can we let this stand hi, i m hearing music check to check. one-to-one to check, check i do not hear myself that i do not hear any echo myself. no. everything sounds normal. just so your music hey, thank you hortness of breath and your regular 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stream on max this morning, hunter biden is a convicted felon. he is expected to appeal his conviction on these felony gun charges, and is supreme court ruling on a separate case. might be in his favor, or at least it s certainly something his lawyers are going to cite. let s get right to cnn senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic, the author of nine black robes out now in paperback so what are hunting a hunter? biden s lawyers looking at when it comes to the suffering in court sure. good to see you, john. it s just a coincidence that right now this case of hunter biden will be proceeding on appeals as the us supreme court is clarifying the rules for when a defendant can challenge a federal gun regulation right now, the justices are resolving just what those standards should be and the whole or deal with the court traces to a ruling two years ago that greatly expanded second amendment gun rights. the justices world in a way that said that a gun regulation could be upheld only if it s part of america s historical tradition of firearm regulation. that is very high standard to make meat. and it s also a confusing standard for lower court judges who have tried to look at what about gun possession for someone who was a drug addict or a drug user as in hunter biden s case, or in the case the justices are deciding right now, what about someone who is is subject to a domestic violence restraining order and under federal law would be prohibited from owning a firearm that individual man by the name of rahimi has challenged the case. the justices are now deciding and john, they could even give us an answer as soon as tomorrow. and the question is, how does that standard from two years ago tied to the historical tradition of firearm regulation, play out. now for what you would think would be more modern regulations, for example, for someone subject to a domestic violence restraining order. so we ll get more clarity from the justices. on that part of federal firearms law. but at the same time, there s also a case up there that really is similar to a hunter biden s where a defendant is challenging a part of the federal law that prohibits gun possession for someone who either was a drug user or addicted to drugs at the time. and a lower court has ruled that under the supreme court s test of two years ago, that federal law can cannot be enforced. the federal government is defending that law in the case of another defendant not at all related to the hunter biden case. but as you can see, john, however, the justices begin to clarify this will affect how hunter biden might be able to appeal his gun conviction, john? yeah. no question about that. the lawyers we pouring through the ruling word by word jump is keep a great to see this morning. thank you. kate. and joining us right now is democratic strategists keith boykins. he s a former clinton white house aide and cnn senior political commentator, david urban, republican strategist and former trump campaign adviser, david, there is the legal reaction and the legal future when it comes to hunter biden s case. and then there s the political reaction to this case. i want to play for you how the room so get republican house speaker reactant to this verdict but mr. speaker, you ve been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here s the president said, be convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don t think that s the case and the trump drop and then there s this from james comer. today s verdict is a step toward accountability, but until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the purported scheme, mr. comer said statement, it will be clear. department officials continue to cover for the president reiterating what remains baseless claim that president biden has been involved in bribery scheme. david is, yes, but a strong strategy on the tail of this now a look, i think that is case stands by itself if republicans just can t acknowledge that the justice was served here, this case was brought. it was a strong case, a hunter biden faces yet another case coming up september 5, he s being tried just as anyone else would be tried i think that it s just it s reality. there are two things can be true here, kate donald trump was found guilty by a jury in new york, which was overwhelmingly voted against donald trump in the general election, and 100 biden was found guilty in a state where his family is love and beloved. i mean, you saw the jurors the jury pool here. lots of folks ties to the biden family, and he was convicted. so i don t believe that the statement by the by the speakers hundred percent correct. that there are two systems of justice here. i think this case kind of illustrates that point. if the president had something to do with it, you think it let his son is lost, one son to tragic death and he s got a sudden now whose face some serious, serious substance abuse issues clearly what it put his thumb on the scale if he could ve right to preclude this from happening, and it didn t happen. so i think republicans need to figure out a different talking point. for this specific case. yeah. qizan apply for you then reaction from democratic congressman jamie raskin on how his take on how democrats are responding. listen to this and i m not heard a single democrat anywhere in the country cry fraud cry fixed, cry, rigged a cry. kangaroo court. you don t hear a single peep out of any democrats saying that why we believe in the rule of law when they go low, we go high is the oldest new strategy going to work for democrats when it comes to this contrast between donald trump and his response, and the democrat response to what happened with hunter biden is stark and dramatic. it s a reflection of what american politics excuse to be where we believed in the rule of law and we respect to the outcomes of jury trials. that s what a president and a presidential candidate. it was supposed to do the idea that donald trump was accusing biden of weaponizing the legal system against him in a case in new york that biden had nothing to do with this is outrageous and david urban made the point, i think precisely that why would he, of all people in the hunter biden case, if why would you because some republicans, by the way, when making the argument that somehow biden is using this case to prosecute hunter biden to somehow suggested that means that he s doing hello, guys donald trump junior being one of them. yeah. right. it somehow they misused. do we it because he wants to prove that the system is fair. it s double back yeah. and it s so complicated, it s even hard for me to explain and it just doesn t make any sense and it why would he prosecutors own sunday to prove the point? why would he make a sudden the fall guy to prove a point doesn t make any sense. the other point is just ridiculous is that they keep moving the goal post because at first they were saying that he would never be you ve never been prosecuted than he was prosecuted. then they said he would never be convicted in part because they said because they were black jurors and the black jurors would never convict a biden in delaware. and now they re making up other conspiracy theories. i think david urban is right that they need to move on and start talking about things that we can actually make sense for the american people. like, what are you going to do about, about jobs they re gonna be about wages and health care and where they re going to do about housing and things that people care about. not about donald trump trials. david irvin making sense, not on my show. that s not allowed data urban oh, come on i was just gonna say real quickly there were some people yesterday or the day before talking about how this case wouldn t be brought against hunter biden if he wasn t the president s son? hey well be true, but i think at the same time i need to acknowledge that what what your colleague fareed zakaria hit publicly stated that the case in new york city, what had been brought against donald trump, if if the defendant wasn t named donald j. trump. so i think that instance both things can be true as well. yeah. david, this morning, we are seeing the power of donald trump s endorsement truly, i mean, after it was put to the test and big republican primaries last night, six candidates, these six candidates all endorsed by trump, all victorious. so here you re going to do our price door number one. this is a sign that trump s endorsement carries more weight even though his rocking endorsement record has more to do with general election, not primary is carrying more weight now, nor number two, trump has gotten better at picking winners, meaning he s actually listening to his strategies and tacticians around him were doing number three, something else altogether i like three, i like all three of them. kate there s just like do i have to pick what i think look, i think he s gotten better at picking winners. i think his endorsement matters now more than ever, his popularity is soaring is through the roof poll after poll shows that donald trump it s not just dominating in republican polling, is dominating across the nation and especially in republican primaries. and three, candidates matter when you have good candidates running in elections, they win. and so in these republican primaries, trump, donald trump has been with the help of some allies and colleagues, bint picking better candidates. it s time endorsing better candidates. they have better candidates running and his populated is an all-time high. so i think all three-year points are valid. kate door number all i didn t give you an all of the above choice, so i don t know where this ends. again, david urban not making sense is where we re going to end this program. it s good to see you both biggies alleged keep it s great to see you so coming up for 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us what he said us response to what, excuse me. sorry, i wasn t on my mic down there. this is the first us response to that hamas response to the proposal that was on the table, the secretary of state saying that numerous changes were put forth by hamas. some of them are workable and some of them are not clearly trying to strike a tone of hopefulness, but also frustrated with the fact that hamas has come back questioning their legitimacy, how seriously they are engaging in these talks, because some of the things that they have put forth in this counterproposal here. the changes they are proposing are positions that they have previously taken and effectively the united states believed that they had moved on from that point, but the secretary of state made it clear that they are determined to try and bridge the gaps here, the secretary said in his view, they are bridged able, but he s just not sure if there ll be able to get there, but made the case that a deal here is in the benefit of both the palestinians and the israelis listen to what he said single most effective and most immediate way to end the suffering of people in gaza to end the suffering if palestinians and israelis like to tackle the humanitarian assistance crisis to prevent the conflict from further escalating and spreading to other places. is to get a ceasefire that allows us to get to work toward a more durable end to the conflict here again, qatar has been a tireless pardon? during the prime minister personally a tireless partner in working to mediate a ceasefire now he said that in the coming days they re going to be engaged in what he called an urgent push to try and get both of these sides to bridge the gaps. and also in the coming weeks, he said that the united states and the there partners, it has been working with are going to roll out proposals for the day after plans in gaza with regard to governance and how gaza will look after this conflict is over. he said that will be key if they re going to be able to take a ceasefire and make it into an enduring peace. but of course, john, in order to get there, they ve got to get a ceasefire agreement and they simply are not there today know and it seems like the situation getting even more precarious in terms of these talks, but we will see what the next few days break highlight, what great to have you there. thank you very much for your report. we have brand new economic data released this morning, future soaring are as there are signs that inflation has cooled, more than expected then russia is sending warships, including nuclear-powered submarine to the water s not far from the coast of the united states. so what is the us response alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money, not only was the cia compromise, he also was comparable secrets and spies, a nuclear game. sunday at ten on cnn. this is a futurama go daddy arrow creates a logo website, even social posts in minutes ai, ai like it who wants to go see that 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might not be going their way or is it let s get the very latest from cnn s lauren fox. you ve been assigned to go count those votes. lauren, where things stand right now? yeah it s been a moment to moment situation. we did hear from republican leaders as they were entering their gop conference meeting this morning, steve scalise the majority 40 liters said it s really important that republicans get this passed, get this out of their chamber today. he said that that is the hope that is the expectation. meanwhile, tom emmer her would not say whether or not the votes were there. he of course, is the republican vote counter that is his gig and he made clear that they plan to vote today, but he would not let s say whether or not the votes would be there. you re going to expect that behind closed doors as we speak, republicans are wrestling with what to do. there had been some concern but there might be some moderates who were on the fence and leaning against voting for this proposal. but again, it just all matters because of such a narrow majority 40 in the house, the speaker can only afford to lose two republican votes. that means they have to count very carefully when they have these close votes coming to the floor. so we ll see whether or not they ultimately put that on the florida de the rule vote happening at 10:30 a.m. john and looking at them, i don t mean to be glib here, but counting is hard. it has been hard for this particular group of republican leadership, but that s because of the way the members have been behaving on fox. thanks so much. keep us posted. news is say, okay, this morning there s also some welcome news on the inflation front, consumer prices rose 3.3% in may compared to a year earlier, slowing even from april s rate of cooling off and on a monthly basis, prices were flat, slower, which means better pace than april. this read on the us economy also is coming just hours before the federal reserve makes its latest interest rate announcement. meaning this is a big day on the us economy front, joining me now is one of president biden s top economic aids. well brainard. she s the director of the national economic council. little thank you for being here with the full understanding you all take a lot of qarrah, to not weigh in on the fed and respect the feds independence would you expect the data out just this morning to have a demonstrable impact on what we learn this afternoon yeah. so i don t speak about the fed s policymaking the president respects the independence of the federal reserve. i will say that today s report on inflation, which showed zero inflation in the month an inflation down by two-thirds is welcome news, particularly for families that are feeling squeezed by the cost of living grocery prices down or flat for four months in a row and gas prices below $3.50 at the pump, those are prices that are very important to american families and you re talking about how families are feeling squeezed. and in general, when it comes to the us economy how people feel about the economy is a huge issue it, but how they feel about the overall economy, how they feel about their personal economy. the president s approval rating, and how people feel about the economy remains underwater. we ve showed, we re going to show everyone a graphic kind of tracking his approval on the economy over the course of the year really, from since march of last year. and now it s kind of remaining in the low 30s. if the data is showing improvement and that is what you see with this report today. why aren t people feeling it the. president knows that families have been true. a lot with the pandemic inflation went up with the pants no and he knows that the cost of living is just too high for a lot of families. and he is fighting really hard to lower those was costs and health care, of course, he secured important legislation bringing the cost of prescription drugs down like on insulin to $35 a month. those are real savings. grocery prices. he s been calling on grocery chains to bring prices down. they ve kept their profit margins pretty high in now you see grocery stores answering the call price reductions on thousands of items. grocery prices flat or down from the past few months same on gas prices where we are seeing record production and gas prices coming down, going into the summer driving season. but look, we know for that in coming months, that s the kind of choice that s going to be in front of us whether to keep fighting, to lower costs for middle-class americans, which is at the center of the president s agenda or to be fighting for tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and corporations that s really where the republicans are focusing with all the data that you all are tracking. would you say that the us economy has achieved a soft landing? so i would certainly say, if you look at where we are today with inflation down by two-thirds and continuing to come down unemployment below 4% for the longest period in 50 years, robust growth very high levels of investment meant factory construction. those are all positives, but we really need to keep working on bringing costs down. that s going to be our focus in terms of grocery, housing, gas prices, health care. that s what s going to be important to american families. so you re saying you don t think think a soft landings yet been achieved or you re not comfortable saying, yeah so i think that we have achieved good labor market more imbalanced and inflation coming down, but we have more work to do and so we re going to keep working to keep the labor market at the good place that he is today and continue to bring costs down because we have more work to do there ai is a topic. biden is going to be discussing g7 liters in italy. it s also a big topic when it comes to ai s future impact on the us economy and jobs. sam altman, who is the founder of openai, he said last month later, one of the the things that annoys me most about people who work on ai is when they stand up with a straight face and say, this will never cause any job elimination. this is just an additive thing. this is just about to be great. all been says, all been goes on to say this is going to eliminate a lot of current jobs. this is going to change the way that occur that a lot i m current jobs function and this is going to create entirely new jobs that always happens with technology what are you planning for on this front and elimination of how many jobs on balance yes. so this is an area where the president was really outfront early on lead in the g7. on recognized seeing the promises of ai. but also that there are some downsides to ai and to put a framework in place where we really we grapple with those comprehensively put safeguards in place. and in particular, on workers thought it was very important to work with labor leaders business leaders, to come out with some principles about how to make sure that ai enables workers. workers are trained aim to take advantage of ai tools to enhance their work enhance their productivity. but that there are safeguards against, for instance surveillance that would impinge on privacy and that workers are given an opportunity to use ai tools as opposed to seeing the kind of displacement impacts. so i don t have updated estimates, but i will say we put out a set of principles and we re going to want to work with labor, with business leaders to integrate ai in ways that american workers have the capability to use ai to enhance their jobs and their productivity low, brandon from the white house. thank you so much for coming up so far. pope francis facing new criticism today after he allegedly repeated a homophobic slur in this march time you press rewind with neutrogena rapid regal repair. it has durham proven retinal expertly formulated to target stem cell turnover and fight not one, but five signs of aging. physical results in just one week, neutrogena. i brought in a juror, max protein with 30 grams of protein those who tried me felt more energy and just two weeks here, i ll take that. i m sure not to protein 30 grams protein one frame, sugar, 25the most anticipated moment of this lecture and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage to vary different visions for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max knew this morning the pope is drawing criticism after he allegedly used a homophobic slur again, but some italian media is reporting that he was quoting a phrase said by a monsignor. let s get right to cnn, vatican correspondent christopher lamb with the latest on this. what are you hearing well john, these remarks from the pope are causing quite as surprising as because he s a reported two views, the same anti-gay slur that the apologize for two weeks ago. so this is causing a lot of surprise. now there is, as you mentioned, some context to this italian newspaper corriere della sera is saying the pope was effectively quoting back in this meeting with priests, quoting back what a monsignor, a senior member of the clergy, had told him. now, look, there are some people in the vatican and the church say francis, who s 87, is a little bit like an uncle or a grandfather who says an inappropriate remarks at the dinner table, but doesn t completely understand the offensive nature of what he s saying. that nevertheless, this is difficult for francis because he is the pope who said, when it comes to gay people, who am i to judge, he s offered blessings to same-sex couples. he s modeled are very different approach for the church when it comes to lgbtq plus catholics. and so the reports of these remarks and they are just reports because we haven t gotten an official transcript from the meetings. but the reports, these remarks are damaging to the pope s efforts, which have been very sustained over the last few years. now, i asked the vatican for response. they put out a statement about the meeting, but the pope allegedly made these remarks and they said, and i quote, the pope spoke of the danger of ideologies in the church and return to the issue of the admission into seminaries of people with homosexual tendencies, reiterating the need to welcome and accompany them into the church and the prudential indication of the digraphs for the clergy. so the vatican saying this was about the admission of priests or men into the seminary. but of course these questions of this reported remarks are damaging for france s efforts when it comes to lgbtq plus catholics. john all right a lot going on there. christopher lamb. thank you very much for that now, a beef over imitation beef major league eating, which is a real thing and is the organization that oversees the famous july 4 nathan s hot dog eating contest and coney island. now says joey chestnut is out this year all over his sponsorship deal with impossible foods, the league apparently has a long-standing rule that competitors cannot represent rival brands even if, even if it is imitation beef. joey chestnut himself, not happy posting on social media that he s disappointed to learn his band from the contest. that s what he says here. really is a phenom. he s won the competition 16 times. he also has the world record for hot dog eating 76, even in ten minutes back in 2021, the mla says they would welcome joey chestnut back once he no longer is working with a competing hotdog brand, truly is one of our country s greatest athletes and it s a shame to see him missing out on this premier competition. i somewhat famously interviewed him last year prior to the hot dog eating contest john verbit, whatever i say, this random thing happened jaume, like i did a story all right, on that one. he told me he goes into competitions, loose an empty. so we leave you with that. thank you so much for joining us. this has been seeing a new central see at a news room, a gym acosta is up next
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l, yeah, but who are yo fox news alert. guilty. guilty. guilty. was the verdict handed down by a jury of huntes thrdict r bh peers for the first time in his life? hunter facede n hi the music.two two counts of lying on a gun for one count of possession of a firearm by a drug user. rearm byhunter biden appeared wd and motionless as he became siti the first child of a sitting president to be convicted of a crimnge. three felonies. hunter now facing a maximum5 of 25 years in prison. but the sentencing guidelineriss suggest just a couple. although the judge could deviate and dojue althou whateve wants, sentencing will probably occur before september 5th whenl hunter goes on trial in l.a. for tax evasion lan. that means hunter could be sentenced to prison justd prs days before the second presidential debate. he ll obviouslyid appeal. here s special counsel david weiss. after today s verdict. y s ve hunter biden wasrd convicted of two counts of lyingbiden wa on a form submr to a federal firearms dealeral c about his addiction or use oraf crack cocaine and possessing a firearm while a user or addict. no one in this country is above the law. everyonen thiss abov must be ach for their actions. even this defendanis t. however, hunter biden should be no more accountabler shoul y other citizen convicted of this same conduct. that s the same biden prosecutor who tried the h to hand hunter probation and lifetime immunity for the guns and the tax felonieund s. e wond so we re wondering where this newfound concept newfm. e jubility came froer here s what one juror had to say after the verdict. watcd to sayh. biden was on trial and he was just like anybody else.w, nobody s above the law. you know, and matter who you are. whattics played me no part in this issue ever. the jury followed the law. the judge ran a tigh ft triald t and justice was served. but justic because one democrat was convicted doesn t mean the american legal system isn dt being abused. the feds are still throwing dozens of republicans in prisonp on trumped up charges and trying to incarcerate the republicanedup nominee for a crime they cooked up with black magic to hocus pocu s an election. hunter s judge didn t donate to a groupno called stop democrats either. the media celebrated the trump verdicmedit like a juy 4th barbecue, but treated hunter s like a funera a funerle this trial inside the courtroom, like virtually every criminal trial, was a personal story, a personal tragedy, a famil, way tragedy. every presidential family is part of the american family. that s the way it workresidents this is a tragedy for the biden familya that family drama playd out in a courtroom in ways we have never seen beforein way. iu it doesn t make it any less painful for the nation or bue r the family. but the verdict is now real now and the consequences will apply. this public life of this family, which bega tn a half century ago, after all, w with the car accident the wifeo sons lateit and his daughter, injured his two sons. you now fast forward all the way to today and this really dramatic and ultimately painful. process continues to hunter s everything: hunter the media cli to despise a white, privileged, sexist t, spoiled brad who barkb don t you know who my daddy is?s but he s a democrat. the so the media circles the wagons. the media ha cis more sympathy for a a crack addict who dumped a gun by a school than for gun a president who just wants to make america great again. moments t again. ago, hunter and joee we were seen hugging on the tarmac in delawar oe, where they ll be spending the night together. i m sure this father s dayttle a weekend is going to be a little awkward. biden wishedwk he could have ben there sooner, but in an act i of poetic injustice, he had gun to attend a gun control event just hours before the verdict. there s never been a timeayso that says you can own anythinguo you want. never. you couldn t own a cannon during the civilt own war. think about it. how much you hear this phrase, o the blood of liberty. a wash it down. give me a break. if they want to think, to take on government, if we get out of line, which they re talkingte about, well, guess what? they need f-150s. agd a rifle. e i mean, the bottom line, hard times. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.n wa biden s son was so cocked, loaded and high. he s lucky no one died. but he wants to restrict the second amendment for sober, law abiding americans. and by the way, s. our government had f-15s in afghanistan and the talibanoy one with rifles. we re not looking a to overthrowre n joe just to thw them out. after a jury found hunter guiltyry of gun felonies,prou joe biden said he is proud of them. i quote, jill anlod i love our son and we w are so proud of the man he is today. there s no contrition at all by the biden family. hunter didn t. show any remorse. he was smiling afterwards. his father is not ashamed. wouldn t even gently condemnm his son s actions. hunter has committed more crimes and we can count. and al l biden says is he s proud. the reason honor s broken, the law for 30 years and not paid the piper is because of his dad because. if every time i screwed up and my dad s response wa s, ov i m proud, son. i love you, i d keep screwing up. bailing somebody out over and over again doesn t mean you love ther over agat m. hunter was kicked out of the navy for cocaine on and administrativeou dischargeof a instead of a dishonorable one because his dad greased ats. ras hunter got caught with cocaine at the jersey shore way back in the 80e wans, and the senator sn had his record expunged when he left his crack pipe in a rental car. police investigated and dropped the charges when he put 20 grand on his dad s amex foree russian escorts. the secret service cleaned it up when he lostcr cleaned hi. the fbi and cia covered it up when he owed millions in back taxes as sugar brother footed fn he needed money for alimony and child support. daddy s donors bough dadt his his dad s own justice department tried to make the gutedae trien tax case go ag a year ago today. what makesday. you think daddy won t save them again? will you accept the jury s te outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? yects. a pard and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? woyour sons. biden never used the word commute. commuting a sentence means sprin you just spring him out of prison. the charge is still on theirt os record. biden s going to have to save gg his son to savo sae his own hid. remember the taxes in the gun? only a fractioann of the crimes hunter and joe biden would be guilty of if prosecutor wouls were allowed to followal the facts. whistle blowers have testified that investigatorsw th w were br at every turn from following leads that led to jowinge. the cia and fbi and the treasury department s are all in on the cover up. a strong case could be made for trump. prosecutor cs to investigategate money laundering, racketeering, bribery, foreign lobbying conspiracies. donald trump calls the gun case don. tractio quote, the trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the rea a dl crimes of the biden crime family, which has raked in tens of millions of dollars from china, russia and ukraine. crooked joe biden s reign over the biden family criminal empire is all coming to an end on november 5th. and never again will the bidens sell government access for personal profit. hunter biden may have faced musi c today, but the verdict on joe biden will come november 5th. co-host of the five, judge jeanine pirro is here and she s matching mere. we coordinated judge will this judge sentenced hunterident biden to prison? o well, there are thosethin who think that the sentencing guidelines, which are no longeka mandatory, can call for between 15 and 21 months. enand, of course, if the judgedo wants to do a downward departure, she can do so. but she s got to give a reason to do so. i don t know that she would be inclined to do so, given a couple of things. n hunter biden could have pled guilty, admitted it took responsibility and admitted remorse. this judge also is a judge who was the one who first saw through the fact that the depaer biden team and the department of justice was trying to pull the wool over her eyesstic and create this immunity in perpetuity so that hunter biden would never be prosecuted for a crime for the rest of his life pro. i want one of those deals.s. yeah, who doesn t? right. and then in addition who to that, the nullification argument, i mean, the defense wentation ao this courtroom, justified any kind of reasone. and it was really an insult to the jury that saw right through it. t th i mean, you ve got you ve got the defendant whose voice whmbellowing in the courtroondan basically saying, i was addicted to drugs. you ve got all kinds of evidence. to drug kinyou got a laptop that the biden administration and everybody in so-called intelligence said was fake. so this judge may say, said wa e what, enough of pulling the wool over everyone s eyes. maybe i ll give hi seyes, i will time. so if the sentence comes sentence the fifth where he goes on trial for servs in l.a., does hunter immediately appeal? when does he serve a sentence orntence oul is dad come in com? i don t think his dad is goinggo to do anything before the election because he doesn n have to. if there is a sentence that is imposed that calls forsentence some jail time, even a small amount, the defendant has the right to request the appellate bail. it will probably be granted. so he will not bte have to serve any any jail time. and, of course, joe biden cane n wait until the end of his term or he can commute a sentence. who knows? joe s changed his mind. we don t even understood d. tingtion but, you know, it s very interesting. i just want to say one thing. you know, that whole t the bidet family stood there and sat there in the front row with thi ins united front. you know, we love hunterd ever and every one of them is negatively impacted by huntem har biden being a crak addict and getting a gun. but in addition to that, everyonen to is part of thatha united front was getting money fromfr what you call the crimewl family from all over the world. everyone got some money from anl llc. so that family is nolct what the appear to be. and i think that the jury saw right through it. ju, nullificationti this guy. this is a very easy case. s s within whichhe they brought back this verdict tells me that they weren t pulling any punches. thi why do you think the president of the united states at a time like think unites when his son has been convicted of a serious gun charge that could have wound up havinga se a kid it fromth the trashcan and maybe shoot himself or his sister in the headnd may? e why doesn t he say anythingt contrite like my son made a mistake or i m sorryjust that we re putting the country through this? just a gently worded phrase to show the american people that the family takes ftr some responsibility and has some remorse because hunter biden was considered the prince in delaware. everyoneed the princ called himd he s never been held accountable for anything. he s don anythinge. he s 54 years old. right. in addition to that, they d admt have to admit the hypocrisy, because within hours of this sentencesy, joe biden was sayinr we ve got to have stronger gun laws. we ve got to make sure thesewe f guns are secure and kepte in safe places. i mean, come on, tell that tmeao your son. judge jeanine, we ll see you onn rrow the five tomorrow.. no more tries for a while or out of trials. i don t knowor what i m going to do. what are we going to talk about? i ll see you tomorrow. see you tomo. congressman james comer joins me now. all right. songressmas comer jo, congressme actually sent referrals to garland, the attorney general, on perjury because h depoied to you guys in a sworn deposition. so he s got a lot hanging over his head heron.t e. shak how do you think that s going to shake out in light of this conviction? f thiswell, it s it s more problems for hunter biden. loo wel fork what hunter bidd in his deposition is he clearly lied. and why dition is hed he he lien to protect joe biden. but the fact that he lie d under oath is clearly perjury. this will be used to determine his sentencing. so not only do you have the gu so nn clear trial where he clearly lied on a gun application, the jury saly w right through that. now he s got his tax evasion charges where we know he didn ta pay his taxes. we know to this daxes,y, yethi he hasn t paid his taxes. his taxes were paid years latesr by a major democrat donor, kevin moore, prior to the presidential election to help alleviate a problem joe biden haa probled in the presidential election against trump. so this what we ve done with the criminal referrals, as you know, is the first step. errals ait s just the beginning. but it s a major problem foror hunter biden and it s going accu to be taken into account when it comes time for his sentencing. ann it thow do you feel as an investigator who cracked this case i wide open with the lapto, followed every lead as far as you could? ran into some roadblockse and they re only focusedar on a narrow tax delinquency and a a gundn charge, which they hade bs to prosecute because he had pictures of it all over the internetd pictur. how does that make you feel? well, justice has not been served. justice will not be served until the department of justic l noe takes into account all of the financial crimes that the fina biden family committed. w it wasn t just hunter biden. it was alsasn t io joe biden am biden. the entire family benefited from the biden the influence. peddling scheme. we had three people testify who were onc he partnersn with hunter biden in these schemes. they testified under oatinh that the bidens were selling the biden brand. big access tolin joe biden. there was never a legitimate business. we know from the irs whistleblowersr a they never ps any taxes on the tens of millions of dollars t they took from our adversaries around the world. we have laws in congresshe where i am right now that prevent people from doing this. froms.d the foreign agents registration act. it s called the foreign corrupt practices act. wen know that the bidensviolat have violated these law. so untiled the department of justice takes the real serious crimes into account, reale has not been served. if i listed the top ten crimese that the president sona committed, lying on the gun application wouldn t even makegn it so true. iunter biden taking the fall to save his dad? well, it sure lookthats like th, he, and he looks like someone that s got a pardon in his back pocket. you knows back pt., people ask e well, will the president pardon hunter biden? well, they re not finished. the department of justice isn t finished with him. first of all, they got this this tax n evasion trial.t th then they ve got these criminal referrals. and as i v crimine said many timeshed. over the past week, we re not finished. the criminal referrals were just referrals the beginning of the accountability phase. we ve gonewe ve go through great lengths and we ve been very transparent and substantive with the american peopleth about the money this family s taken in. we ve been very transparent about the 20 shell companies, the llc, that ththe e bidens hah that appear to serve no purpose thy. r i n to launder moneer and when i say launder, i m using the word that six different banks usedg in those suspicious activity reports. th money to tenbiden different biden family members. and according to the irs whistleblowersfa , they never pay any taxes. and you re still looking at new bank recordand you s thae just gotten your hands on. yes, we found new accounts ery day. all right. thank you very much, james comer. keep us posted. j thankmer, hyou.s secret let s bring in former white house press secretary and outnumbered co-hoseight kelly mcinerney. how do you think president biden is feeling toda bid y? oh, i imagine it s prettybecs rough because there has been reporting for a yeare evlus jesse saying that every single day he has been following hunter biden and the lega hs bel matter, so mucht that aides will bring it up to him and he will kinto himd of erupt. so aides kind of tiptoe around him. they don t wanf tiptoe at to bra poen though it is a live political story, one that wewhie talk about often. and the white house press briefing there was supposed house one today. there wasn t one. t i imagine they didn t want to field questions on this oneae so i imagine as a father, thisa is a tough moment. ab doesn t even want to talkughe about the politics of this, but he ll have to at some points . but the verdict does contains the potential thrust into his own personal o and financial affairs, and so do the tax charges. they have been walled off from anything against joe biden. so at the same time, as distraught as he is about co his addiction and his conviction, he must feel politicallnv musy insulated froy future exposure. i think he does. look, i think i would be stunned, jesse, if hunter biden did not take a plea deal ahead of the tax charges. really, that is tax c where you start getting subpoena power. yes, that is where you start thg subpoena power all over all of these bank accounts accou that combentr is talking about.b he subpoenaed them on the congressional level, but they start cominpo on g in o a live court case. there is simply no way livwhen they allow that to go to trial when they know they ve got to your point, iw they v tf yout want to pardon hunter, you ve got a commutation in your back pocker, youat. r pa you re either going to be a lame duck president or a second term term president. more likely the first. his son he s going to pardon his son. his son is going to takeon i a a deal. i would be stunned if he allowed that and he would take a ple and he wa deal to serve any time, because, remember, in thected serving time first plea deal that blew up. hk yeah. look, i think he learned a lesson. learned a d his hand. today. the facts are supposed to match the law in ordere s arh to getin a conviction. this was a slam dunk case. thw. acts match the la. he lied on a gun form. tax evasion. either you paid your taxestax e you didn t. in his case, he didn t. this is a slam dunk. if he would have taken a pleawoul deal today, it would have been much better for him when itld came to sentencing, would have gotten a much lighter sentence. so why would you note gott do that with the tax evasion where it s slam dunk? 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soppenu go and even here in atlw have a public training facilityl being built so that we can better train our officers bed give theanm the resources that they need to better serve our communities. so, yeahtt, it is, you know,, yo pretty interesting how now everybody s more so shifting to something that was originally conservative valuat e as i was telling one ofr, my friends earlier. there s no reason why the hoodad was the hood when your grandma was a child. and it looks like it s still going to bks le e the hood whenkids h your kids have kids. you know, these people are tired of seeing their communitieave kids s rundown.in they re tired of seeing addiction take over. you know ke, their loved ones.. so, yeah, they they would encourage that. the taxe yeas that they pay go o better law enforcement, to better policies and a better communitrcement,y relations.s. black americans getting tired of joe biden in the democratic party: blacs. tk why do you think it s taken until now, until right afters te the trump presidency and four years into the biden presidency until no theen presiw, for blacs to say, hey, we re not wedded to the democrat part are y. e have we have been for decades. i mean, one of the first thingsf is, of course, joe biden telling us we re not black if had a we don t vote for him, that a lot of us like. what do you mean i m not black? 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yeah, very simple. yeah. and won the last election. let s just let s just let s discust tes and debate and we ll see. i mean, look, it s been aske d by donald trump. he refuses to answer it correctly, but we ll see what he does when he s givenans that opportunity in front of 140 million people. you know, it s a littlelion different on a stage like that. stephanopoulos thinksr 5th is november 5th is a referendum on january sixth. ndum on also, rachel maddow ths trump s going to put her in internment camp. p she s saying this i m worried about the country broadly. if we put someone in powecour who is openly vowing that he plans to build camps, to hold millionss to of people, forconvn that matter. what convinces you that these missive campces theses he s plag are only for migrants? so about me, worriedgr but only as much as i m worried about all of us. anyon don t flatter yourself. if anyone s going to a camp, it s acoste a campa that only w. mondays is not like anybodyso miss her. no one s sending anybody to camps. ne is sendyou silly goose, excer our sons and daughters. so we can get some peace. quiet this summer. this preemptive strike against the next trump presidency is nothing compared to the preemptive strike againsthe ne t the supreme court, which has been relentless and vicious, includinsupreme g everything frm triggering armed psychos to hunt down justices to flagging recusal from the trump cases. is the goal secondarily, to delegitimize the cour t? so t the trump opinionstr are discredited. the latest dirtyump op trick, a liberal activist went undercover and secretl ye recorded justice alito and his wife during a private event. sh she pretended to be b a conservative and tried to baiting the justice intolous. saying something scandalous. watchwatch.. beke people in this country who believe in god have gotn our to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a plac a placee of godliness. oh, i agree with you. i agree with that. i support the george ruling by god. i support like i have verye brid i don t know how we bridgege that gap. i w you know, like, how do weis get people squeezed? i wish i knew. i would say i don t know. it s not i don t think it s something we can do to do anything. - i mean, we have a very simple, defined goal. we need to do our best to dos nothing controversial here about alito s answer. ia he doesn t think we re goingge to be able to change pro-choice people s mind, and he thinks weigio should have more religion in the country. o what?e but the media seized on it as disqualifying. we know alito is essentially a fox host on the court. new developments about supreme l court justice samuel alito s compromised ethicsop and open support and comfort with extreme far right cause ans formeres presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy join ers now.i did no i didn t think they d have this kind of dirty tricldk in theirg bag, but they re going undercover now. what do you think rcover ns viv? well, look, the reality is this radical left will stop at nothing to implement their agenda. yesthing to, they will go thh the law system. they will go through prosecutorial system s. stems, they will go through the financial system, and they will go through administrative agencies tial systhroughministr but the reality is thee am american people are seeing through the force that they have putericin up. and you fool me once, shameon on you. fool me twice, shame on me you. most people in this country now understand that the media s histrionics countrunderstas aren more extreme because they realize the people aren t falling for it they rea. but that s actually going to backfire, i believe, heading into november. and i m fine e headembe with undercover journalistic tactics. that s been bread and butter founournaliseen brear for decad. but it s not like a big exposé. if he likes god and doesn t think he can change the minds of pro-choice americans. lik and earlier, i want to getg your take on this because we had some breaking news i earlie. the big one, hunteramerican biden found of three gun bre felonies this morning. in delawar e and could be facing up to two years, possibly more,y in prison if m judge no ricoth sentence him that way. what do you thin k this is going to do to the biden campaign? ii well, look, i think there snk a couple of things going on here, jesse. i actuallycouple g think thisd particular trial and conviction is a bit of a farce. s ofit s a bit of a feignedo th retreat. note the timing. it came right after the trume tp trial and the trump verdict. the purpose of this is ine the public eye to actually eye legitimize the trump conviction. it s also designed, to legit too attention away from what they should actually going be going after the biden for which is selling off our foreign policy to make their family plae rich in places like ukraine, where hunter biden has in no business serving on the board of burisma, a state affiliated energy b company, which happens to beou the same country that we re non sending $200 billion of american taxpayer money to. so that s what this is aboubt . it s a bit of f a deflection all against the backdrop that these are federal charges nst thl charge when his father is the sitting president of the united fas thythose n absolutel pardon those actual convictions. convictionrd not fall fo that trick. and i think that s what this is really about. timing is everything: timingeryd in life. vic, thank you so much.hank have a great night. you too. wanda is back every body wanda is back every body weight and body, you know, th siri, a city client, uses citi s financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving. moving. so more pet parents cand. get everything they need right when they need it. keeping more pets and families happy for the love of moving our clientrping)s for, . for the love of progress. well, this isn t going to work. try this. this will work. score, pick up score at walmart features like the people they re made for are meant to move groundbreaking. targeted compression and an anatomical design for a custom like fit all backed by a lifetime guarantee 15% off your first order at features .com. hello i m former arkansas governor mike huckabee. a lot of times you can t control the amount of sleep that you re getting. you can t fall asleep or you re tossing and turning all night. you can t get the sleep. you need to stay healthy. i know it s scary unless you use relaxium sleep relaxium. sleep is a product that s made from natural ingredients and it usually works from the very first night. you try it. it helps you fall asleep, stay asleep and wake up refreshed, earning your body those quality hours of sleep that it desperately needs. join the hundreds of thousands of people who have experienced the relief and health benefits from getting a great night s sleep and get relaxium sleep. the first time i took relaxium and i slept through the night, i thought, wow, this worked for me. i could not believe it. relaxium sleep is studied, tested and designed by a neurologist to help you fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer and wake up refreshed. relaxium sleep worked from the very first night i took, i had more focus and mental clarity than i ve had in years. relaxium is drug free and not addictive, so you can take relaxium every night and never worry about side effects. and the best part is it can start working from the very first night when i take relaxium sleep, i sleep better than i have in years. i wake up feeling like i ve had the best night s sleep. stop being afraid and start sleeping your fears away with relaxium sleep your body and your mind. well, thank you. mike huckabee is so confident that relaxium will work you. he s asked us to give away 1000 bottles. if you re not getting calm enough to go to sleep, take relaxium sleep. i promise you it ll work. get your risk free bottle of relaxium sleep now. it s guaranteed to work your money back. visit. try relaxium rt.com or call 889 eight 9322. that s try relaxium dot com or call 808 nine eight 9322 when you can watch. listen. get the latest news business and news headlines on sirius xm. any time anywhere. fox news audio on sirius xm america is listening. jesse watters saying what most want. 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the more i want to hearou more about judge judges a, teacher and send picks bill from virginia juneteenth.th joe thought it was junee 10th, so he thre10w a party. aaron from mendon louisianagh . i thought biden was raised in a black churchn with that rhythm. he was dug it fresh, wasn t great either. john from louisiana you can wear a pink tie but can t drinka with a straw. wowtraw whi, you got me. that s all for tonight. dvr the show. hannity is up next. and always remember, i m waters and this is world i. and welcome to hannity tonight, total, complete history on the lef hysteri theto left-wing conspiracy theorist rachel maddow. she is now claiming she may be put in a camp if donald she c trump is elected. aoc saying trump will throw in jail. the left is losing their minds, but we thei already knew that. they maybe never noticeonly that it s only trump people that get charged, harassed and actually put in jai te th getarged hal and s. anyway, far left back, merrick garland is calling trump s criticism of his weaponized department of justice, quote,say dangerous for people s safety. we will address us tonight later in the show. and the president of your great country, the united states of america, our great country is fear mongering about ther ne second amendment and calling for new gun restrictions jusguna on very day. his very own son iy his convicted of three felony gun charges. but tonight, don t get distracted. please, please pay very close tot i m aboutwha to say, because if you re listening to the media and the pundits and democratic hacks, they havendits no clue about what really happened in this hunter biden. none at all. it s deep. it is profound. what has.s happened. the major story that they are not talking or tellingyou ab you about from hunter biden s trial is not the conviction on gun crimes. now, it s important. s that s low hanging fruit. the evidence in this case was overwhelminglow hang, was incontrovertible. and unlike donald trump, he had refaird venue trial judge with real charges, not onesal wered o made up that you didn t even know about. the critical development even km this trial is one huge single pie of evidence entered into the official record byr u. your government, and that s hunter biden s very reals.. not only did the u.s. federal dd government confirmop i that hunter s laptop is real, they confirmed that its contents are real and the contents have not been tamperedi with by anybody. in other words, you weren to, on a very high level just before an election by numerous people and entire institutions . you were lied to by hunter biden himself. you were lied to by his father, your president, joe biden. you were lied to bliy nbc. fake news, cnn, npr. well, let s just say prettyb th much everybody in the media mob, the list is far too long to mention l. you were lied to by america s 51 former intel so-called experts, the ones that signey d off on a letter insinuating that the laptop was most likelst all the earmarks of russian disinformation. meanwhile, notrks single one of them ever did anything to investigate that claim,f examined the contents of the laptop. t you were lied to by clapper,bren you lied to by brennanna. nt you were lied to by your own government. what do they all have in common? they all wanted joe biden to win by any means necessary. and it s worse than a rep that according to a report, john solomon, the fbori, the doj knew that the laptop was reawl since before the 2020 election. but instead of doing the right, honorable and honest thing and telling the american people the truth, the federal amer there was out t the pre bunking the laptop story with big tech executives. ding remember, in the months leading up to the 2020 election,o theeke the fbi was having weekly meetings. they were warning big tech companies they may all be victims of a foreign disinformation compani campaign about the election and that misinform asia may be aboutn an joe biden and hunter biden and gets worse. they knew rudy giuliani s attorney had a copy of hunter s very real laptop. they kne thew odds were very high that it would leak beforewo the electionul, and they knew it eould likely destroy any chanc that biden had to win the election. and then they had to actin the t the new york post broke the story. when faceboohek and asked the fe specifically id f this is what you were warning us about, was the laptop misinformation? n should they refuse to confirmo the truth, leavingco those companies free to then censor very real the very real laptopsn story. and that s what they did i mean, you couldn t even send a private message with a link to the send new york post . big tech, the media mob,yoe gobbhappily gobbled up their fbi. doj probe. led upbiden contribution misinformation. by the way, if who was involveda bragg s district, they probably would be charged with a traffic violatiolvinstrictn. and ultimately, they use this as the basis to censor the most important information in the final weeks before the 2020ks presidential election, all because they wanted their guy to win. this is beyond ty wa egregious election interference. and frankly, iterferenf it s cr, it should be criminal. but tonight, none of these liars have an ounce of remorse. none of them have ann y regretoc for them, it was all a meansm ae to an end. they wantes tod trump out. n prt they wanted joe biden protected from scandal at all costecs. be and you better believe the contents of that laptop wereve sthat lap and are today r joe biden as well as hunter biden. forget the salacious photos of drug use in, the in theostiu firearms, the real scandaltil is surrounds the so-called biden brand. ar the bw, if you look at the lr and then other information acquired by the house waysinform and means committee, the judiciary committee,he the house oversight committee, you look at texts and emails, other fileus s, zero experience. hunter wasn t raking in cash from some of our top geopolitical foes and dictators and despots around the world becaus d die of his keen intellect. instead, the laptop appears to show that hinstead e was liky selling access to the biden brand and the big was apparently eager to participate in spite of publicly eager othe. now hunter implicates his own father numerous times in that very real laptop. remember devon archer? tony bobulinski also debunked joe s that he never once, not one time ever spoke to his son,t brother or anybody for that matter, about their foreign business dealings. ut businesaccording to testimone the house oversight committee, from thehe participated in meets with hunter s foreign partners by phone. he dined with others at cafe milano. and that s not all.al in 2017, you might recalll th the whatsapp message published by the i house ways and means committee. hunter, allegedly writing to a chinese e associate with their oil and energy conglomerate. i am sitting here with my father and i d like to understand whyt that commitment has not been fulfilled. i will make certain betweelledne the man sitting next to me snd the every person he know and ability to hold a grudge that you will regret not followinlg my direction.i am i am sitting here waiting for the call with my father a few days later, magically, according to the committee l. $5 million wired to a bankllio account associated with hunter biden and other texts. other emails hunter allegedly talked about forking over half of his income to pops. another email talks about the big guy, 10% for him, you know,s allocating 10% as a cut in of 1 to 1 of hunter s deals. but hunter, now a convictedun liar, says he never intendedteon to cut his father in on the deal. meanwhile, accordinge deal to ae text from the laptop uncovered by the new york post d york ,r even paid for his dad s bills for more than a decade. g his hunter even reportedly claimed that his father was using up, wae most of the lines of credit on his wells fargo accounn hit. d and based on the contents of hunter s very real laptopon t it appears that biden was participating in his son s business bidenwas pa deals whily benefiting financially. remember the from hunter s main business partner, devon archer, who saidartner joe participatedp to 20 phone calls with hunter and his foreign business associates? oh, i thought he d never talk business with hunter orbrothe his brother or anybody. think about thisr hink. donald trump was convicted onp 34 so-called felony charges. upcharge misdemeanors pass the statute of limitation fines for allegedly mislabeling a legal document as a legal expense. trump ordered to pay hundreds millions of dollars because of a far left new york judged on unilaterally deciding in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, that mar a lago is only worth $18 million. this, despite you have little lock lots. oh, 1/10, 1/20 the size of martn a lago. they gtso for $150 millionst and that s just dirt. and yet the no. one is above the law culte left on the left. they don t seem to care that joe biden, now the president of our countryha,b possibly selling access to the highest levels of our government, to people in china and kazakhstan and ukraine and russiax in rus. this is all evidence the fbi and garland s doj had for over four years and never, ever investigated any of it. and they knew all of it was true. this is what a weaponized and politicized department of justice looks like.o nees according to the johnson grassley senate investigation, quoteonigatio hur biden received $3.5 million fro in a wire transfer from illinois, a battalioe win of the wife of the former mayor of moscow. she was the former first lady of moscow. if the reports are true and the evidence is accurate, money went from russia to hunter to joe. r hunteone way or another. so where s the russia russia hysteria? on the left, devon archer claiming she invested over 100 million more dollars than a real estate venture. whernvested thae the frenzied e on most dnc fake news and thesht new york times , washington post, abc, nbc, cbons. they had no problem peddling the phony russian misinformation and dirty dossier that hillary paid for to smear trump andd fo secure nt one but four pfizer warrants. where p s their of the contents of hunter s very real laptop and the findings the senate and house committees? or is joe biden above the law? is hunter s gun convictiong a red herring? one of hunter biden s ex-business associates1 of, fox news digital that the gun trial was, quote, a distraction from the main event with their influence peddling. he continuededdlinhe , i am convincedthe en the entire justice system is just an institution of people with agendas, not anfw institution of laws. keep in mind the doj prosecutord tasked with investigating hunter david weiss w, he letimio the statute of limitations run out on the most serious allegation hes, which could have connected hunter s business to thconnectee big guy himself. sadly, the doj is not looking out for you. their primary concern seems to revolve around protecting weak democrats from scrutiny, helping to elect joe biden while waging lawfare against donald trump. and needless to say, massive reform and accountability massym is needed in washington and in the swamp. and by the way, starting in september, early voting begins in 146 days. it s election day. only you 146s can fix it. here with reaction, fox news contributor jonathan turlean tuh we got over the case. to me, the evidence was overwhelming incontrovertible. what about this real big storyhs to me, which is now we that they ve known from the beginning that the laptop begias rea. all these people lied. the 50 t one intel agents. you know what i guess at the direction of wink and tony blinken, you know, out there, they knew nothing about the laptop. t hu they all lied. joe biden lied. hunter lied. everybody liediden. the media lied. big tech lied. they censored the story. and that helped joe in 2016. i think i m sorry. ndin 2020. i think alvin bragg would r call that an fec violation. eco jonathan. oh, well, you know, i think that is the interesting takeaway with this strange shrug that the media gave the introduction of the laptop in the trial. the laptophas us wha establishel fbi agent as reaisl and authentc . and so the media said, okay, well, that evidence was now usede wa. he they forget all of the other files on their laptop. if the laptoon thep is authentif those files are real, then you have these detailed accounts of a multimillion dollar influence peddlingn operation run by the biden family. ruthose would also be authentic. but the media justt simply doesn t want to go there. and that s part of the problem of the what the house committees have faced. you know, when i testified ittees h, aring the biden impeachment hearing, i said that there was ample evidence theence to do an impeat inquiry. evdidn t prejudge the evidence . but at every stage,age the democrats have opposed inquiriedemos into the presidend role, the president s knowledge and a lot of these files on the laptop. and that s not likely to change after this trial. merrick garland is scorching trump and his allies for h attacks on the justicein department. he says it s dangerous for people s safety. wellit sfor peopafety., first ot to protect every government official. let me be very clear. and i veevery government said ts occasions on this show. however, criticism and of speech are very different. and the idea that his dot inj and his fbi knew aboutju the laptop being reasticl and ty have an investigator for four years, i think he s got andy investand we ll go into ml later. and i have a message for him. he s got a lot of explaining to do. just like what does he think wha a letitia james and alvin bragg running on oonn a platform to gt one man, one organization, one family? i wouln d think he might speak out against that, but he hasn t. . well well, i think that garland s an unavoidable test of principle. ey sen the three house committees sent him referrals of perjuryals by hunter biden and his uncle before congress. those referrals are verye re compelling. i don t seeferral how there h a case to be made that those answers were anythin g than false. now, the department of justice was on aw hair trigger due to indict trump officials. the question is whether merrickn garland, as people expect, a will scuttle any prosecution for perjury. pros so this is that other shoe dropping? yes. this laptop was authenticated. yes. th. e files are real but after that, hunter biden, coter they review those those files, he testified in congress and they rnge chart there,s the congress believes and there s a good basis for that belie f that he committed, knowing perjury. these were questions that he knew were coming and he gave false answers according to these committees. so what is merrick garland going to d wilo about it? it s not time to write another op ed. it s time to show that he s t going to do nothing. e anothehe s judge engoron is a merchan, is b and merrick garland is c, and i haven t been wrong yet. i hope you re right and i m wrong. i don t think he ll lift a fingerthin. i think this is what thi weaponization of hope. you re wrong, too. yeah, me too. but i m not. i m just. i d bet everything i have. no, i m not, professor. you c ayou give me an f if iw all right. joining us now. thank you, professor. joining us now, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett, harvard law professo gr alan dershowitz, just the news founder, .com asunder john solomon, editor in chief as well. john, let me start with the news. you brokl jo me e a of this new. when did the fbi know that thise was a very real laptop?bi and isn t that the big takeaway in this story, not the conviction e stor? um, yeah. as i reported in 2020 on your show and as the irs whistleblowers later confirmed ,the fbi corroboratedhe the laptop in its entirety by march of 2020 to 2026, eight months before the 51 so-called intelligence analystsn it russian disinformation, when they called it russian disinformationceian disi, i cale law enforcement and they told me no, we corroboratedw it so the fbi was telling people, if you re willing to make a phoneel call back in the fall of 2020 that this laptop was rea l. and it s a shame that 51 men and women signed their name to a letter knowingly trying to mislead the american people days before an election when a single phone call, they allhey d had security cardh they could have called the fbi. they chose not to. they chose to mislead not the american people in the most awful waeay. and why was the fbi, professor dershowitz, why were they meeting weekly with biga tech in the months leading up to the 2020 election? and why when twitter and facebook requested an answer as to whether or not this new york post story was real or what they wereg being warned about, misinformation about hunter and about joe biderned abon n, why didn t they tell them the truth that john solomon rightly reported in march of 2020 that they fully knew about? and by the way, what do you call that? well, you call it fraud. you call it exactly. d trum alvin bragg charged trump with a that is making false statements in an attempt to influenceg fa n election. look, there are only two choices. th the american constitution is going to survive, either we need a ceasefire now and say, n look, all right, there s been a conviction of a biden there s been a conviction of anvictionn. let s stop this weaponization. let s call off all these caseshn that are now pending all overovt the countrhey. trump people are going off to jail, stays are being denied bannon and others. let s call that off. either f either that or. let s have absolutely equal treatment. let s go after people wholectio have committed election fraud by denyingn american publicno the right to know the truth about. wait a minute. yeah, what would that include? the 51 intel people? would that include joe biden? would that include what is it really comparable to say that joe biden, if he lied the american people about being involved in these foreign business dealse ollo and he wasd being paid by hunter and he was calling into meeting bs, hunters foreign business partners, and he leveraged the billion dollarpas burisma, so his son cn continue to get paid millions for a job in which he had no admirience at a time he admits he was addicted to drugs. tell me why that shouldn t be prosecutes ad d and how is that law fair? that seems like that sounds like equal justice. apply to him j to that doesn t sound like a made up crime, like the trump case. well, if you take seriously the charges that brad brought against trump, one of whic brah is that he tried to mislead the voting public by not telling them about an affair which would have had ng tho effl on the election whatsoever. if you take that to its logical, extremeec t, then you e to look to see whether anybody among the 51 people, among even the president of the united states, may have written something on a for hm that would give rise to exactly the same allegation that a fraudulent a statement was made in order to commit another crime. the other crime would be, according to bragg.d , to somehw defraud the american people to voting for somebod yy they would otherwise not vote for. you have to have a single standard you hav . let s go, greg, to the issue of the money. hunter implicates in this very real laptop, his own father. half my income goes to pops. pp 10% for the big guy. that s all in the laptop. that is very rea bl. f now, paying for pops home repairs that thahot complained bitterly about. it seems like joe not only lied to the american people but benefited from the lietion a and then also took action as vice president by leveragingl $1,000,000,000 to ukraine and loan guaranteela s. and the net result of that is son continue to get paid for rworkesul that he had no expere in. by his own admission, at a time whenhad nos ow was addicted to . by his own admission. you re right, the bidens are still getting away. sean with their most serious in crimes, corrupt foreign influence peddling thanks to the protection racket run by joe biden s doj. so it was so revolting today- do to watch david weiss take a victory lap in fronth of camerasthem this is the guy who struck this sleazy deal tor let hunter biden skate and only when it imploded was weiss whee forced kicking and screaming to prosecute it. running but he s still running interference. he charged hunter with evading taxes on tens of millions in overseass pay to play schemes, but not the enrichment schemes themselves, which are far greater crimes. the sellingment schves out os don t forget it was weiss who let the statute of limitations expire and manytr of those crimes, while he and the doj secretly scuttled the investigation to shield joe biden, i tell you, is not yu done yet. and t be surprised i he f and garland conjure up another sweetheart plea deal for hunte r on the eve of the trial to avoid embarrassing evidenceo of joe s corruption coming to light right before the upcomingto election. agreed it ll happen, i think. and last question. some the real country with that, john, they knew about this laptop for four years and they haven t lifted a finger. liger.they knew that joe lied te country. they knew that he benefited, didn t they? yep. yeah. .and in 2016, they got 3.39 million documents from hunter biden, his business partners. they knew everything, including more than is on the laptop . on monday, you re going to see a whole bunch of new documents. we re going to make public bu di them in 2016. oh, wow. unbelievable. y thank you all. appreciate it. that s the big takeaway. big takethe media won t talk abk when we come back. talk about bad timing. earlieabout bar today, biden spr gun safety group only hourous after hunter s conviction for gun crimes. we ve got the lowlights and devine pam bondi react straight ahead. four, five star backyards, yellow with brand pressure treated pine. if it doesn t have this yellow tag, you don t it to dog food in the fridge. it s not dog food. it s freshpet. real meat, real veggies, real real meat, real veggies, real weird. it was bad luck anyway. sleepy headaches, dry skin. you re probably dehydratedand wa liquid labs, rapid hydration. bsit s packed with all five essential electrolytes. take amazing and way less sugar sports drinks. rehydrate and feel better with liquid laughs. gab liquid labs in the walmart vitamin aisle today nail fungus is nasty up to now starts improving the appearance of fungus damaged toenails in just two days. it s clinically proven formula penetrates the nail for results you can see quickly opti nail give fungus toenails a makeover, a heart attack. do they have life insurance ? 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maybe an uncle buzzy moment.t th the cannibal guy. take a look. i mean, yes and no. it s hard because i ve gotten those phon ae calls to saying i lost a son or daughter, a wife. i know what it s like. we rs wee not stopping there.ncg it s time once againai to do. ie i did when i was a senator. ban assault weapons. he said, what do you mean i need that done? i said. guess what? if you need 12 to 100 bullets in a gun in a magazine, you re the lousiest shot i ve ever heard. our traditions told the nraet convention recently he s proud that, quote, i did nothing i on guns when i was president. and by doing nothing, he mad e the situation considerably worse. how much you hear this phrase? the blood of liberty. wash it. don t give me a break. so, i mean, seriously. and by the way, if they want to think that is to take on government, if we get out of line, which they re talking again about, well, guess what?le they need f-150s. they don t need a rifle. folks, look, this is crazywht what we re talkinghe about. and president obama, then vice president biden, they did nothing to stop violence, gun violence in chicago and other big citiesgu. anyway, here with reaction to the day s news. miranda devine of the new york post and former florida attorney general pam formi. t well, the laptop from you our emma joe morris. you guys were right the whole time. the verd and to me, the verdict is it was the right verdict. the evidence was overwhelming. rdicelmingthe bigger story is te government introducing that laptop into evidence. and that means all the other contents in that laptop are now meaningful as it relates to the law. and joe and hunter biden, would you agree? absolutely. and the fact that thutely ine joe biden, the biden campaign, the cia the fbi, those 51 former intelligence officialoss went to such lengtht to lie about the laptop. big tech sense that the new york post , when we wrote about the laptop and, the contents of it. what that shows you is that they were abso absolutely terrified about the contents of the laptop becausse knew that it would be so damaging to joe biden that it would wreck his campaign and they successfully managed to suppress the story. and as you sait theyd earlier, that amounted to election interference. and that is why none of those 51 you saw james clapper the other day, you ve seen others of them, they all refused to admit that they lied, that if they were wrong, that they had zero evidence that it was russian disinformation, they knew it wasn t russian disinformation. the fbi had had the laptop-known since december 2019. it was well known within intelligence community that that information was realty . and yet, if they admit that they knew it wasn t russian disinformationw it, then they are admitting that they were part of an election interference, a coup, really, to ensure that president donald wp didn t win a second term. it really comes down to that, doesn t now that we know all of this, pam bondi, we also the merrick garland doj, the fbi, they ve all known thiss for four years. there s a lot of othertion information damning information on that laptop. imeimplicates joe, it implicatp hunter, it implicates the brother, it implicates all these othed e other people. they ve had this evidence. they haven t done a thing with thiy haven s evidence. what s your reaction to that? which to me is the much bigger story here? it sure is, sean.. and i m glad i am glad they got a conviction on this, because now they caney use the gunthe t conviction in the tax charges. the only charges that aret ag currently left against hunter biden because the case is in 2014 and 2015. of course, 14 and 2 the statuteof limit of limitations had run. they let it run about dealiny gt with agents. the cases that could most likely implicate cou james biden, joe biden, the entire biden family. they those run. but now they re faced with the tax chargebut s. e if let s see what happens. let s see if there s not a plea deal. i think there probably will beaa at this point because of this conviction. but yeah, thanks to miranda, thanks to great reporting, everyone now knows that the laptopryon from, as she says,ng is real and everything on it is real, including all the her garland evidence that. could be great for prosecutors. well, what about garland? he s had this information, this damning information. they all knew that joe lied about. i never talk to my son, my brother or anybody about the foreign business deals. and what about leveraging $1,000,000,000? so a son continues to get paid. s soontinueswhat about the moneh they re getting from a former russian oligarch. what about meeting that oligarch in café milano? what about calling into all the meetings? what about the millions of dollars the family s raking n in? ponta has no experience in energy. oil, gas, coal. ukrainenergye or china. how does he make it all that money while he s addicted to drugsoney? that s exactly right. pnd remember, president trum asked that simple question of president zelenskyy and look what happened. o they tried to impeach him over it. and president trump was, ril alon right all along. yeah. merrick garland is our chief law enforcement officer in this entire country. you know, we talk about the weaponization of the fbi,an the cia, atf, now the irs. well it all starts at the top with merrick garland. he has to respond to this. he has to be held accountable. this is way too important. the american people and our justice system is at stake e . well, miranda, maybe now maybe you re book laptop from will litt bestseller agaik n, and people can now look a little more deeply now that finally the government four years later has confirmed that which have you and emma jo and others reported way back whey back wn. all right, thank you. straight ahead, merrick garland attacking republicans for daring to question the left s lawfare against trump. we re going to tell you what he said. lara trump reacts straight ahead. stay with us. do you have too much body fat? 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take a look. a look.i will never be afraid to challenge this illegitimate h president when our fundamental rights are at stake. i believe that the president of thesghts e united states can be indicted for criminal offenses. you feel embarrassed to my namen personally? yes. we need to focusam. ed t on donald trump and his abuses. we need to follow his mone dy. n we need to find out wherela he s laundered money. we neeundemoned to find out wher not he s engaged in conspiracy. it s important that everyone that the daysare of donald trump are coming to an end. i look forward to goingnd ine the office of attorney general every daey gy defending your rit and then going home. there s a platform. go after one man,d ap one organization, one family. or doeplrs merrick garland. think it was appropriate for the manhattan district attorney album brag to run on this campaign promise. i know a lot of peoplear are wondering, whoever has this joe wondthis jobb. are they going to convict the donald trump? but that is the number one issue the times calls brag s a talented prosecutor whose successful suit of the trump foundation couldnted pro b be invaluable experience for the investigation. he ll take over valu as the chief deputy attorney general in new york state. i oversaweputy atey some ofia the office s biggest cases from exposing illegal behavio or by the trump foundation. we know there s a trump investigation. i have investigated trump andint his children and held them accountable for their misconductchildren with te trump foundation. i also sued the trump administration more thanimes 100 times. we know that the d.a.ting is investigating trump.th when i was the ag s office, i sue trump over 100 times forsc his administration s misconducot and brought a case against the trump foundation that held foe. ntablgainst t one more question. according to a whistleblower testimony the fbi they ve known since late 2019 on his laptop was real. so why? sohow has merrick garlandnd weaponized, politicized weapetment of justic investigated the contents of this very real laptop? s ofwhy was garland s fbi meetii with big tech companies warning themig that they may be targetel for misinformation campaigns and they may be about joe and hunter biden? and when askedjoe d by twitter and facebook after the new york post story broke, if the laptoph story was real, why didn t the fbi confirm what thehey knew to be true that it was real? here was reaction. rnc co-chair lara trump. a lot of questions here.tr they kneump.w it was real. all garland knew it was real. now that we all know it s realke . we know that joe lied at the highest level and joe was involved. all these foreign business deals and the millions of dollars they rake id in, including taking direct action by withholding moneyin. so a prosecutor investigating the company is seen as a business worth and millionsm mil with no experience continues to pay in millions. h noso all of that s true. laura and garland hasn t liftedo a finger. if it was your father in law. or you our eric or don, wou i m pretty sure they d go afterh all ofey you. yeah, i was going to say, just go after donald trump. when in doubt, that sort of they re their motto that they, of course, always have. it is reall whichy incredibl sean, to see what has gone on and the fact that you have merrick actually complaining about the american citizens voicing, their concerns for a very clearly biased justice shoulde c be concerning to him because he s the attorney generaer l of the united states. we can t live in a country if we do not trusunited se ttions our foundational institutions like this. and peopleli are terrified right now. everybody knows what this triay knl with biden was about. this is about smoke and mirrors. this is the red herrinit s abou this is a distraction from what you ve talked about the entire show which is that it s not just criminality we re worried about with the biden. it s national security. we re concerned about we need to know as american citizens that when joe biden, as president of, the unitedt of states is making decisions for this country, he s madethey m decisions based on what s best for the american people and noat what s best for the bank account of the biden family. and by the waythe bank, sean, bd on how the last three and a half years have been going, we should really question what has been going on there. and as a family member of the trump family, it is it the whole thing is kind of wild for me to watch. if you think back, sean, to when donald trump won 6 the election in 2016, think about what our family business was. we were a private company that had real estate and golfe n courses around the world. we were in international business originally, yet w what did we do? we said, you know what? when he won, we re not going the to do any new international business deals. the opposite of that happened internat biden became vice vic president of the united states. that s when the bideidenn familo got into international business. we went so far ainternational so as to pay back the united states treasury every penn be u.y that we got from any foreign dignitary that spent money at a trump property. of course, we got no credit for that, but we didn t even want the faintest of impropriety. and yet look at the way they have gone after donald trump for literally anything they could find. for trovean peoplrep with this laptop. the american people are demand transparency. again, it s about our national security aga. want we deserve to know. but i want to tell people out there how you caon actually mak, a difference, how you can rectify this. it comes on novemberu can rect h of this year. it comes the first day of early votingfirs in your state. get out and vote in thisn election. this eioour country depends on . the future of america certainly depends on iict. hing we cannot allow these things to stand. we need to get to the bottom of this stand . save we need to save our country. but you got to get out and vote. to gei agree. ean: e and early voting, by the way, starts in septembear r. some in september, in some states. i hope people keep that in min dget ov and get over your reluctance and resistance to voting early d . i know you re working hard on legal ballot harvesting knowg hard wanully surpass democratic efforts, but if you want to change it, garland s not going to changngen he s weaponized the department of justice. it will remain that wa e theyino and probably get worse if, god forbid, he was reelected. all righrs it. trump thank you. when we come back, with biden s campaign flailin g, the leftto sca is once again resorting to scare tactics. anere do you hearer? 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the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans. the operation overlord, the d-day invasion, it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they the installed a collaborationest regime that they assembled from pro-fascist and pro-nazi forces inside france, so the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way there, they would stop and do something in oradour. they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find. the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battle that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered. they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who survived that massacre from giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory. it would inflame the public against the nazis who killed all of those unarmed american p.o.w.s. i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the bad guys from world war ii and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening. and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today. you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen. i have been working really hard on it. i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american right, but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist participaties of world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 46 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend. was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall of 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure. these were elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament, so the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany. in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold. i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise. people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenderoffs the stat status quo, but you have to tap into people s dissatisfaction with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, not enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated. ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think of. thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the podcast. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight. do stay with us. shop etsy for thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find items that add wow to walls and make you fall in love with your family room again. when you want one-of-a-kind pieces to refresh your home. etsy has it. sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, 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( ) ( ) this one will never see the light of day. all right. nitty-gritty here. in the aftermact of the 2020 election, georgia became this kind of benchmark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? 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so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. time stops. 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the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. i they were actually heading intoc year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, inf france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied n invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of hr normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way e there, they would stop and do something in oradour.g they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision.t that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children.or they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour.ed this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last livini survivor of that massacre.s i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find.ge the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battles that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered.ve they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis.p. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who. survived that massacre from t giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it.e he said it would be he inflammatory. w it would inflame the public to against the nazis who killed alf of those unarmed american p.o.w.s.na i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant r leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the real bad guys from world war ii, and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the zi thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre ha and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the e time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the e fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening.en and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons.ll number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today.t you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little on l circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of thio all together.ei episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen.e i have been working really hard on it.n i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other v times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted reallyr radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before.p and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now.no from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, ha particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american righth but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that th preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large an proportions of the vote in the h european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of old world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days ma for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets inz the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to providn even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with e president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as muc as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her.y 46 republicans voted for this thing.ca a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, wh has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s w mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say rr they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his t supporters who physically w attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new se podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in e britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend.y was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall o 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get?ut president biden clearly sees ouo connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the futureo of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections?za sure. these were elections for the european parliament. e so the european union wide parliament, so the only electiop that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany.rg in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in g this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold.ur i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of r 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise.a people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a wa question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenders of the status quo, but you have to tapt into people s dissatisfaction e with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. g i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, nots enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very t important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated.d ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama.t ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re le almost always one of the first people i think of.s thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the r we have much more ahead here tonight.e do stay with us. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. so let s get down to the nitty-gritty here. georgia became this kind of bench mark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? what is happening to try to stop what is happening there? one of the reporters on that rolling stone piece joins us next. stay with us. stay with us are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com the ultimate authority is the voter. the secretary of state was re-elected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other excuse me. order. order. by a larger margin than any other state-wide office. the voters order. have demonstrated their faith and therefore i do not believe that at present, we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. georgia s board of elections gathered to discuss launching an investigation into georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who had the temerity to say no when donald trump demanded he flip the results of the 2020 election in georgia. the lone democrat on that elections board spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of raffensperger. as you heard, she was loudly shouted down. in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory, inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone reports this. quote, the former president and his supporters have been making concrete step by step progress in shaping electoral processes to his benefit. across the state, maga die hards are devoting considerable resources to purging voting rolls, intimidating election officials, employing legal dirty tricks, and ousting appointees who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. it s the state where the republican party has total control over the levers of power. over the last four years trump loving elements of the georgia republican party have wielded that advantage in a crusade to turn election conspiracy theories into policies. it s an alarmingly anti-democratic experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joining us now is adam ronsly, the reporter co bylined on that sprawling piece. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. so what are some of the steps that trump and his allies have taken to change the electoral process in georgia? so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. thanks for doing this work. would love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. stay with us i m gina. i want to talk to you about golo and how it has changed my life and how it can change yours too. like many of you i ve been dieting and failing half my life. and each time i would diet i would quit and my weight and health would get much worse. i had to do something. i saw a golo commercial, i talked to my doctors, and i ordered. like me, the golo success stories are real. give golo a shot. you won t be sorry. could have been the heat, i suppose. temperatures were over 100 degrees at his outdoor campaign rally in las vegas yesterday. so hot, six people had to go to the hospital, and another two dozen had to get medical treatment on site. could have been the heat, i suppose. could also maybe have been that he was nervous about the fact that he was less than 24 hours away from his first meeting with his new york state probation officer. that meeting could be particularly nerve-racking for him because, you know, one of the things a probation officer asks you after you re convicted of felonies is if you have been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that s worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month while he s on probation, he would not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record. for a lot of people, that wouldn t be a big deal. for him, that s a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at his very close social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don t know. he maybe had a lot i don t know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, less than five months out from the election. this is an important swing state. he decided with the land locked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of boats. heavy boats, boats with batteries near sharks. you know, nevada sharks. i know you have heard it happened. you may have seen a headline or scrolled past it on a social media feed. have you actually watched it? uncut, straight through, watched it unfold? it is very much worth watching. it s astonishing. my favorite part is the people you can see at the rally behind him who are really trying to follow along but who clearly have no earthly idea what uncle ramble standers is on about. just watch this. what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? and you re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there? by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. did you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today. well, they weren t really that angry. they bit off the young lady s leg because of the fact that they were they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. these people are crazy. he said there s no problem with sharks. they just didn t really understand a young woman swimming. really got decimated and a lot of other people. i said so there s a shark ten yards away from the boat. ten yards. or here. do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted because he didn t know the answer. he said, nobody has ever asked me that question. i said i think it s a good question. i think there s a lot of electric current coming through the water, but what i would do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, i would take electrocution every single time. i m not getting near the shark. so we re going to end that. we re going to end it for boats. we re going to end that, we re going to end it for boats. we re going to end it for boats. vote accordingly. vote accordingly a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! all right, that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you tonight was going to be a show and a half. way too early with jonathan lemire is up next. donald trump has completed his presentencing interview with a new york probation officer after being convicted in his criminal hush money trial. what sources are saying about what happened during that private proceeding. plus authorities release a new mug shot of rudy giuliani as
that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you it was going to be a show and a half. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. that evening, rachel. i listened to episode one of the new podcast today, and i ve got to ask you a favor. could you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic, interesting stories about united states senators i ve never heard of? because, one of the angles of me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i m like the senate expert around here because i worked there for a while and this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you tell me about a senator i ve never heard of and by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the russell senate office building where i used to work and i did not know what happened until today listening to you, and it s not supposed to be like that. i m very sorry. i will start doing podcasts that are about like state legislatures and states you ve never been to. and rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, but could you possibly join me after i get a little worked on here about donald trump s probation, to talk about the podcast because there are just so many things i want to see if you can answer and then of course there are things you might not want to answer. i would love it. i look forward to answering your questions and to dodging them. all right. just get into your slippers well i do a little chat with andrew wiseman. thank you, i will see you in a minute. today was a routine workday for america s 93,900 probation officers. but, one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer in new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. donald trump s first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with criminal intent to violate new york election law and the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use donald trump s responses to date to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in yet another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge merchan allowed donald trump s defense lawyer to attend the first probation meeting and allowed the meeting to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. special treatment for donald trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, vermont defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview, not just billionaires. this is just another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that donald trump s probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for the new york city department of probation was present, along with general counsel for the department. joining our discussion now is martin horn, former commissioner of new york city s department of probation. thank you very much for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have the sense that it was a bit unusual, but as to the presence of counsel and it being remote, you have these people representing other defendants, saying that is never available to us. that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up his going to be accompanied by secret service. he s going to be accompanied by the press, and his presence might be disruptive, so the idea of doing the interview remotely doesn t trouble me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate and certainly during covid, we made use of these remote kinds of interviews. i think you could make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual, and the presence of the commissioner is something i have never heard of in 40 years in this business. can you think of a reason for doing it if you are a commissioner at the time, would you do it? would you join that meeting? no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor, so no. i definitely would not have done it and i don t think it should ve been done in this case. 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what do you make of that? sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least an hour. the content of what this interview was supposed to cover, and what the court is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations and it goes on in some length that it covers a wide array of issues. i don t believe they could be addressed and half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which was certainly his right to do. there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i m not sure whether that is completely true but i m assuming that. what do you think are the most important things they should have obtained in this discussion? the judge certainly knows the defendants. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances, and for the probation officer on behalf of the people to set forth any aggravating circumstances, but perhaps most importantly is the question of whether, if this individual is not sent to prison, but is granted probation, is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer? and, what with the terms of probation be, and what would that supervision be like? all i can speak to is the typical case and obviously this is not the typical case, but typically a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically, certainly no less than monthly at first, to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities, not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities, certainly not to miss use drugs and alcohol, to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her dependents, but also any fines or restitution that has been ordered. what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes, many people around donald trump has been convicted of crimes. historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently but i think it is something the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether it is the association that is occurring for a good reason or not. thank you very much for joining us tonight and sharing your expertise. this evening in florida, donald trump s favorite federal judge whom he appointed, denied trump s request to dismiss the case against him for violations of the espionage and act and illegal possession of classified documents. she wrote checks myths prosecution or other permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate at this juncture and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate forms as to which defendants alleged conduct. judge cannon did grant trump request to strike one paragraph of the indictment about donald trump s alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign adviser, susie wiles, and his golf club in bedminster, new jersey in 2021. the indictment says donald trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said that because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is quote, not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes, thanks to lauren wednesday, winsor, who was interviewed by julie reid earlier this evening. lauren windsor is a progressive activist known to approach important republican people pretending to be an hour, making flattering comments than secretly recording their responses. she is a dues-paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to the goal of returning the country to quote, a place of godliness. is a catholic and as someone who like really cherishes my faith, i just don t know that we can negotiate with the left and the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right. one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult you know because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised, so it s not like we re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument, like people in this country who believe in god love got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. you don t think there s like a role for the court in like guiding us toward a more moral path? no. i think the role for the court is deciding the cases. that is for the people we elect. that s not for lawyers. i guess i believe the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that our supreme court should be guiding us in that path. yeah, i don t know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and those muslim friends would say maybe not. let s not our job to do that. our job is to decide the cases as best we can. and samuel alito made his wife very much a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6 insurrection at the capital at their homes, you might expect mrs. alito to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. what you think they re coming after you? i mean like the whole like appeal to heaven flag was like right. the other thing is feminazis believe they should be in control. feminazis was a term coined by rush limbaugh. fox news had not even been invented yet and so samuel alito s wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old. that is how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus like because i have to look across the lagoon at the flag. for the next month and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i will do it because i m deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, and every week i m changing the flags. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag into white and it is yellow and orange flames around it and is the word for shaman italian. andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the best-selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of senator alito and chief justice roberts. well, the description from both of them could not be more striking in terms of where the country is, and you know, we are hearing from a man who is the principal architect for the reversal after 50 years of roe versus wade. his thinking is in that decision is, i think, just this week as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incident, and you also have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying what is of course the correct thing to say, and we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity and it is a real sort of blot on this country and the judicial system had to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on decisions that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated. it s not the way the court is supposed to be operating and their conduct is reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways even without these tapes is something that is really besmirching a really important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it is very hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these types of tape recordings coming out. we also have in these tapes now something very close to proving that samuel alito supreme court justice lied, lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because here is the person who he is blaming on the flags being up saying she wants to do these flags just because of the flags that other people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. absolutely. there is nothing in there about a response and we know that even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to, as we have now heard with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way, and so what is really amazing to me is that there is just zero accountability of the supreme court and that is where chief justice roberts is much as he may be a good man personally and obviously said the right things which you don t really get credit for that for saying the right thing because that is what is expected but that is where he is to blame for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are really not upholding their oath of office in a way that helps this country , whatever side you are on. if you saw this from a so- called liberal justice i think we would be just as outraged and of course you would hear just as much but rightly from the far right that it is not appropriate behavior. you know, i will speak for me and i think this applies to you. i spent most of my life finding it inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying and lying about something important in public that affects the integrity of the courts on decisions and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason that was inconceivable was really the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with, who could not possibly step in these things the way samuel alito and clarence thomas have, but especially a leader with the flags and his wife making his comments to a stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying that share the spirit of the january 6 insurrection, all of that just completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body, but simply before because who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agree with them or not during most of our lifetimes. i want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt now on tape saying, which is that the christian nation should be brought more to be a christian nation and as a jewish-american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that is supposed to separate our religious beliefs which everyone is entitled to their own, but it is not established by the government, and that principal is very much under attack right now with at least five, if not six justices, but hearing that from justice alito s mouth basically just rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on, and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe versus wade, this idea of we are sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this was part of a religious fervor that was animating what was going on, and you have justice alito really just saying it out loud, whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there, because you know, there was nothing that prevented him from responding in a way that justice roberts responded, which was entirely correct. the tape reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. we are out of time for this discussion. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, our next guest needs either a very long introduction or no introduction. i will decide which one during a commercial break. rachel maddow joins us next. has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with 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senator i have never heard of. lester hunt is the man who climbed out on the window ledges at the state capital to drop poison to kill the pigeons. lester hunt, when he did this, was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming. it gives me pleasure to introduce to you at this time the honorable lester hunt, governor of wyoming. he set his sights on the u.s. senate and he won that race. a distinguished guest for the evening is the honorable lester c. hunt, the senator from wyoming. the most popular politician in his state. lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents, the people of wyoming and also to try to do some good for the rest of the country. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change for him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode of ultra, second season now anywhere you get your podcast or subscribe to msnbc premium on the apple podcast up to get every episode early and add free. rachel, i can t take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. it s just us. tell me all the rest of it right now. like i can t wait for the next episode, just go. so then what happens? well, and then there is us at the end of it. it becomes the america that we know. i m not going to tell you the whole story. thank you so much for letting me come onto your show to talk about it and for listening to it and for liking it. lester hunt is i mean, he is not a completely forgotten figure, but the thing things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that went i have tried to do in episode one is create the lost sense of possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal i am writing about and working on in this podcast and it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a long, bright future ahead of him if everything leading up to his life and that moment was anything to go by and i feel like i have become really good at resurrecting old villains we had forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to unearth and remember his legacy, too, and the loss of him is something that went really wrong with extremism in american politics. it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. yes, so he is a democrat getting elected in republican ohio wyoming, a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he is kind of the jon tester of his time there in that situation. but, apparently very naove when he gets to washington in such a way, and i m speaking beyond what i know because all i know is episode one but clearly, he gets eaten up by washington, so this is a drama about more than him. so, what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next couple of episodes, is that he is confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator who is in the opposite party, who is his opposite number and this other senator gets involved in a nazi propaganda campaign, this dirty false conspiracy theory tale that is designed to hurt the united states, and lester hunt realizes what this other senator is doing. he is repulsed by it in the come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing the other senator is trying to advance in part of the reason i wanted to do this story is learning that while that is happening, while there becoming mortal enemies in the united states senate, they also lived next door to one another, and their backyards back up onto one in each and others houses and how they have decided they re out to destroy each other, they can see how each other is living, and that only ratchets up the revulsion lester hunt has for this other senator and he just decides you know what? i m going to take the political risk. i ve got to stand up against a monster like this and he does and it is for the good of the country and cost him his life, but what he is fighting for, and the reason he is fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the low down dirty depth some people were willing to go to for political gain is an inspiration to me even though it cost him his life. so, the first season of ultra taught us about the poll that fascism had in the united states, the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii, that story, and this takes us to a period after world war ii where it hasn t you make the point that those people, most of them tended to disappear after pearl harbor, but that did not mean they stop thinking what they were thinking. it also did not mean they went away in politics. one of the things you and i talked about a lot with season one is that it became kind of a forgotten story, the great sedition trial, all the americans who sort of worked with a nazi agent who wanted nazis to win world work two were defeated in the united states and that means we forgot their stories and we forgot them pretty quickly. when they were all kind of let go and didn t get prosecuted for it, not successfully prosecuted for it or in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all, their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before, and so, for example, one of the characters in season two is a guy who was part of the silver shirts and linked to the german-american phone that was riding for charles conklin s publication. those are all entities we learned about an altar season one. in season two, he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the united states government. they believe him to not be just an american fascist, but an american fascist and a traitor and possibly a nuclear terrorist. so, it just gets worse when these people get away and he ends up involved with a republican senator who is a sitting senator in the united states senate, so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important you at least keep tabs on them to see where else they re going to turn up, because it s never good. so, how many episodes, rachel? eight. and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do? so, you tell stories in your show that are similar to this. they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes, something like that. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you as a storyteller in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? very good question. so, the podcast is basically a little book. or a tv show, like if you think about it if you put of the episode links together it ends up being something that i want to be able to hold your attention for about four or five hours. in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio, a lot of historical audio. finding the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt s voice was an incredible odyssey and super fun, but the idea is that this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of a tv show. you need to stick with it for an eight-episode arc but by the time you get to the end of it, you should ve learned a whole nothing about american history and hopefully be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it, so that it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i m not just interested in these stories because they are not well known. i think they should be well known. like, we should all remember lester hunt. we should all remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senator at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial in the united states and with all of those people getting away and all of those seditionist movements effectively getting away without ever being held criminally accountable for what they ve been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular, to be part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with really strong, antidemocratic challenges, because we have a strong antidemocratic challenge right now so we should do what is in our armamentarium of options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what is not. and, the key to this kind of great drama is even if you don t care about democracy, and i don t understand you if you don t, but if you don t care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters, perfectly told by america s friendliest voice to tell you scary things. the good news is, these scary things are kind of over, except there are big threads of them still with us now. rachel, by the way, an alternative name for altar that you could have considered it s more letters, but stuff lawrence o donnell doesn t know. that could be the title but it s hard to squeeze it into a small state space. i like america s friendliest voice for telling you scary stories. i may hit you up for the copyright on that. you got it, it s yours. thank you, lawrence. thank you, rachel. can t wait for more episodes. thank you. remember, you can listen to the first episode of alters second season everywhere you listen to your podcast. coming up, there have been only two presidents in the history of the united states who have issued pardons to members of their family. president biden has promised he will not become the third as leger deliberates the case against hunter biden. that is next with andrew weissmann. is next with andrew weissmann. cologuard is for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. i did it my 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well, before we get to that i want to point out that compared to the opening where we talked about justice alito and the concern about the rule of law in this country, this is an example, as was the new york criminal trial, of the rule of law working for you see the courts function even when you re dealing with the former president or in this case, the son of the current president. i think they re focusing on intent. the proof here is very strong that there was possession of the gun. there is very strong evidence of the addiction hunter biden had, and the issue is, was healed she aware during the relative time periods when he signed the form that said essentially he was not an addict, did he believe that he, at that point, was an addict and also during the time he possessed of the gun, for about a two-week period, did he believe he was an addict? in other words, there is an intent requirement. making a mistake is not for criminal law. that s for civil law but this is a criminal case so i think they re going to be focused on that. also there is sufficient proof, if the jury wants to find it, but abby lowell is an extremely good defense lawyer and we will see if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but i think the big picture for the public is less what happens in this case and the fact that you have a president of the united states living the rule of law in this country, and you have the rule of law working, even for the president s son. andrew weissmann, thank you very much. we will be right back. very muc. we will be right back. for pneumococcal pneumonia. i m getting prevnar 20 because there s a chance. .pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you re 19 or older with certain chronic conditions. like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, .or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults. .to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don t get prevnar 20® if you ve had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. that s why i chose prevnar 20®. ask your doctor or pharmacist about the pfizer vaccine for pneumococcal pneumonia. for moderate to severe crohn s disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. control of crohn s means everything to me. ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. control is everything to me learn how abbvie could help you save. choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. chris counahan for leaffilter the permanent gutter solution that protects your home in so many ways, it takes more than one chris to explain it. but together, i think we ve got the job covered. like leaffilter s has your gutters covered. protecting you from getting up on this thing to clean out your gutters ever again. and you know how else leaffilter protects your home? 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thank you for watching, while we were just talking about this summer s o olympics it is also worth noting that just minutes from now we will officially be two years out from the fifa world cup which will take place here in the u.s. after 30 years and you re in luck. get your count down clock started now. and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks at nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i ll see you at the end of tomorrow. thank you for joining us this hour. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. i m particularly glad you re here for us. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d day invasion. they opened up new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans right. this, the operation overlore, the d day invasion it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they had installed a collaborationist regime that they fashioned from nazi forces inside france. the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazis but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion, hundreds of thousands ultimately millions of ally troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs or the northwest of france and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d day invasion, the allied invasion started on june 6th. now on this date, on june 10th, 1944 just four days into the d day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been of course shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it they now realize the scale of what they were up against and they had started scrambling their units from all over france. turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi assess panser division that had been in the south of france down by toulousse. that division was ordered to essentially traverse south of the country and toward the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france toward the new allied front lines the new western front, this panser division stopped in a village called orador, pronazi french collaborators had told them. they told this panser unit that the french resistance was active many this town and told them that the french resistance had killed a nazi officer. and in response that panser unit that yes they were on the way to go join the new western fronts and the battle for the whole war, right. to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion but they decided that on the way they would stop and destroy that village and everyone in it. they rounded up every woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up people who did not live in the village but who were near by or had the misfortune of passing through the village when the nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in orador or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village and then they tore down the village as best they could, they razed it. orador. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what orador looks like today. literally today because this morning the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at orador to commemorate what they called the martyrdom. now this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited orador. 10 days before he was first elected president he went there. he visited the village, just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village. at least everyone they could find. the nazis kill over 600 civilians that day but there were about half a dozen people from the village who against all odds in a miracle managed to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to orador. that last survivor has since died. but today macron went back to the site to orador to show this place to germany s president. now, in 1944 about six month, after orador happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d day invasion they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis ever where. they re not only liberating france. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows they cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. so about six months app after d day. hitler decides he s going to form a huge counter offensive against the allies. the allies are closing in on germany s own borders. when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counter offensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had them in them. a lot of people thought that the war would be done by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 4,000, 5,000 men to counter this offensive but they did. that began a 6 week battle, that would become the biggest counter of the war. as far as that brutal war of that battle. that was the battle of the bulge. that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another panser unit much like the one in orador. they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counter offensive. they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. the result was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war. unarmed american pows. and these pows they again they had surrendered, they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans on a field. they are pows, they had surrendered, had no weapons. but the nazis just massacred them on that field. and just like in orador is the fact that there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up on that field who nevertheless lived. americans gi who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades. who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to them giving testimony of what they saw, to what happened to their platoon men. the other pows who were massacred by the nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block those veterans from testifying. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory, it would inflame the americans against those nazis who killed the american pows. i find it absolutely insane to think about but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepenitent left over nazis. they were trying to make americans the real bad guys. when you think about unrepenitent nazis who just lost the war. the thing that you wouldn t believe is that they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that pow massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause seleb in the right wing at the time. it helped launch the national career, the rocket ship ascendants of arguably the most radical figure in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters. darker than seems possible in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him. while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion that he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency. and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics looked so much like what you are seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term you wouldn t believe it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time the people who stood up against him, mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually ultimately it stopped happening and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast rachel maddow presents ultra is out today. you can get it any where you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcast you don t know how to do that. if you open your phone right now, open the camera, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you will want to listen. i ve been working very hard on it. i m very proud of it but i just, i hope you like it. i hope you will check it out. so that s one of the reasons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story. i had been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical refine who get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. the reason i ve been working on this for the last couple of years including this new one that launches today, for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast. for me there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before. particularly what we re talking about powerful americans, advocating for athoriatism. when it s about selling lies to the american public. and half is mortified by that but the other half of the public are super energized by it. they not only believe these lies they kind of become the new reason for them to live. the public gets gets like that, into earth one and earth two. and that place takes radicalizing them and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant at the american life. but we ve lived through this before. i feel i m racing to learn these stories about american who is have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like, i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things but knowing the track records of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian forces. knowing who else has tried it and what happened to them is helpful to us calibrating our available responses now and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i ve been working on this. and that is why that story is on my mind. tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of orador today in france is they took that tour of the ruins of that village today. that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe. they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of world war ii era germany and france but they both have tied to putin and russia. when president biden was in france, he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide more support to ukraine as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d day commemoration ceremonies. he heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g7 summit. among other things presumably to try to rally the other g7 nations to support this new plan. to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and you know, in the american aperture here what s going on here in our politics while president biden is trying to you know rally the free world trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will, against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more. here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies all together. that we should break up the big western alliance. that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress. a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she is therefor, i am eager, she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 47 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why. the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean on its face it seems unlikely that they would have such sway. right every few days we get a new mug shot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidates personal lawyer. who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment rudy giuliani s mug shot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all the other maga republican mug shots we have accrued in the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with his probation officer. people in his rallies not only fly t-shirts and fly flags that have his mug shot on them. they started carrying signs and wear shirts that say they are proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress an injured dozens of police officers he described them in a speech this weekend as quote warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capital, those two police officers were jeered and booed by the republicans. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who were injured in that fight. they were literally injured defending our congress. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out they want the attackers freed and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. they don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses they want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i ve been working on all these projects. that s why i have this new podcast out and i hope you listen to it. it wasn t from the recent past, when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place. you may remember what proceeded. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was proceeded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote which happened just months app months after trump s presidential win. was it right to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was happening to us in 2016. as biden has back to back trips to europe. he just got back to europe. he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. just what s going on in the european politics right now tell us anything to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s cohost of the pod save the world podcast. ben it s really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me just ask you, for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend. let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they are important for us to pay attention to, and can you give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure, these are elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament. it s the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. so it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. i think the two headlines are, the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe. france and germany. and france the national front party which is the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and just build on, what you were saying, rachel, this is a party that is far right they got a $10 million loan from russia in the last decade. this is reality. and in germany, the afd party which has ties that go back to the neonazi germany. they got 15% of the vote. not a huge total but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear in other parts of europe, the center did hold. but the two most important countries france and germany we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 to see some of what was going on in europe as a harbinger for the shocking election result we got in 2016 when trump won. do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pipeline for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality about the brixit vote and the trump election was that it was a lot, it was a surprise. people did not think that brexit was going to win that campaign and they campaigned on a right wing populous message. the slogan was take back control. and they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message. it kind of forshadowed what we ended up taling with in the fall. the warning in this election and you asked me a question to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world. you asked me what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this is there are incumbent parties in europe and france that have defended the status quo. emmanuel macron has been a defendant of the liberal union. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties. these populous by beating the status quo. that s hard for the united states. but you have to tap into people s disfraction with globalization. dissatisfaction with inequality. that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say, we re the responsible adults you have to get down and have a message for how things are going change. i think that s the warning sign joe biden should hear. not enough to run on status quo. not enough to defend even things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are and people are frustrated. ben rhodes former deputy national security advisor to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like, when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think about on these things. thank you for being here. i can t wait for you to check out the podcast too, it sounds great. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight, please stay with us. that s why he 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had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling damming criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that protrump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is used every tool at their disposal to derail willis prosecution of trump. in the latest, two republicans judges have placed the trial on pause. guaranteeing they will not go forward on trump before the election. that s only the start. in georgia s most populous country, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a protrump think tank she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile just north of fulton county republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now the board there like other countries in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans. but republicans are no longer okay with that they wanted a full scale republican take over. when that was blocked they came up with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated by the local republican party with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have never heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta general constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman quote assured the board the new board member is a democrat even if the local 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last month one of its republican members was ousted after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board, is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year. given georgia s status. what is happening there, what is happening to stop what is happening there. one of the reporters on that rolling stones piece joins us here next. stay with us. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn t know who i would be. but here i am. being me. keep being you. and ask 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other, excuse me. order, order. by a larger margin than any other statewide office. the voters. order, order. have demonstrated their faith and therefor i do not believe that at present we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. when georgia s board of elections the lone democrat on that elections vote spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of rathenburger. she was loudly shouted down? in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone says this, they have been shaping electoral processes to his benefit. maga die-hards are intimidating officials and ousting election officials who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. georgia is the sole battleground state where the republican party has total control over power. have wielded that advantage in a crusade to convert, discredited election conspiracy theories into policies. well ahead of election day 2024. it s an alarmingly experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joinening joining us now is donald rolsing. thank you for joining us. thank you for having me. so what are the steps trump has taken to take the electoral of georgia. one of the most disturbing one. who an attorney, a republican attorney they are planning to challenge the electoral results regardless of the result. we think of, the threat to elections from trump s behavior in to 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. at the current state polling, trump is ahead in polling. if you believe the polling. but what they told us is that quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed you know air qualities around cheating. and the plan is to, challenge the results regardless of the outcome. the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delitimazation. heads you win, heads i lose. one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary: because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute. which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those type of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. you re taking someone who is you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and you know assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think importantly that georgia is a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played a the sound of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting rafensburger. is this fight joined where there s push back against what they re doing. or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit. they definitely have quite a built in advantage. and i think that s why georgia, you know relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the sole republican party es especially when it comes to their sole. yeah in fact, kemp which was in the way of trump. kemp signed procedural jim crow of the 20th century. even folk who is have proven themselves to be obstacle to some of the most overt processes of it sometimes just go along to get along. it definitely does have an advantage and they are running the table in certain ways but you see folks like ed lyndsey who s resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that you still do have these kind of principal republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. as you see ed had resigned from a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but the grass roots of the party who believe in a lot of election 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that will do it for us tonight. i told you that tonight would be a show and have. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. i listened to episode one of the new podcast today. i got to ask you a favor. okay. did you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic interesting stories about united states senators i ve never heard of? because one of the angles on me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i m like the senate expert because i worked there for a while. this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you telling me that a senator i ve never heard of, and, by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the building where i used to work at i did not know it happened until today listening to you, and it s not supposed to be like that. i will start doing podcasts that are about state legislatures in states you never been to. rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, could you possibly join me after i get a little work done here about trump s probation to talk about the podcast because there are so many things i want to see if you can answer, and then, of course, there might be things you don t want to answer. i would love that. i look forward to answering your questions and dodging them? getting your slippers while i chat with andrew weissmann and we will do that. thank you. today was a routine workday for america s probation officers. one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. his first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with the criminal intent of violating new york election lot in the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use his responses today to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment, while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge juan merchan allowed his criminal defense lawyer to attend his first probation meeting and the probation department allowed it to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. a special treatment for trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, the bronx defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview not just billionaires. this is another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing, and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status, or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that trump s probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for new york city department of probation was present along with the general counsel for the department. joining our discussion is the former commissioner of new york city s department of probation. thank you for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have a sense that it was a bit unusual. as to the presence of counsel and it being remote you have these people representing other defendants saying that is never available to us. that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up he will be accompanied by the secret service, he will be accompanied by the press, and his presence may be disruptive. the idea of doing the interview remotely does not troubled me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate. and certainly during covid probation made use of these kind promote interviews. i think you can make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual and the presence of the commissioner is something i ve never heard of in 40 years in this business. can you think of a reason for doing it? would you have done it. would you join that meeting? no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor. i definitely would not have done that and i don t think it should be done in this case. 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what you make of that? it sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least one hour. the content of what this interview is supposed to cover and what this report is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations, and it goes on in some link that covers a wide array of issues. i don t believe they could be addressed in a half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which is his right to do. there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i m not sure whether that is completely true. assuming that, what you think the most important things aren t that they should have obtained in this discussion? i think that the judge certainly knows this defendant. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances and for the probation officer, on behalf of the people, to set forth aggravating circumstances. but most importantly of all is the question of if this individual is not sent to prison but is granted probation , is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer. and what would the terms of probation be and what would that supervision be like? all i can speak to is the typical case, and obviously, this is not a typical case. typically, a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically. certainly no less than monthly at first. and to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities and not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities. and not to misuse drugs or alcohol. to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her defend dependence or any fines or restitution that has been ordered. what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes? many people around donald trump have been convicted of crimes. historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently, but i think it is something that the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether the association is occurring for a good reason or not. martin horn, thank you very much for sharing your expertise. you are welcome. this evening in florida, trump s favorite federal judge denied his request to dismiss the federal criminal case against him for violations of the espionage act and illegal possession of classified documents. the judge said that the prosecution documents are permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate for disposition at this juncture, and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient, so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate verdict forms as to each of defendant s alleged conduct. the judge did grant the request to strike a paragraph of the indictment about his alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign advisor, susie wiles, at his golf club in new jersey in 2021. it says that trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes thanks to warren windsor. lauren windsor is an activist known to approach important republican people attending to be an ally and making flattering comments and secretly recording the responses. she is a dues paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to returning the country to a place of godliness. as a catholic and as someone who really cherishes my faith, i just don t i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of, light, winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully. but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. so it s not like you re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. it s just i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument. like people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. and by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. but you don t think there s a role for the court in guiding us toward a more moral path? no. i think the role for the court is deciding the case is. if i start would you want me to be in charge of guiding morals? i believe that the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that are supreme court should be guiding us in that path. i don t know if that s true. i don t know that we live in a christian nation. i had jewish and muslim friends that would say maybe not and it s not our job to do that. it is our job to decide the cases as best we can. and since justice alito made his wife a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6th insurrection, you might expect her to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. why do you think they are coming after you? i mean like, the whole appeal to have have been flag the other thing is they believe rush limbaugh coined the term when he was not just the center of right-wing media, he was the only real national right-wing media. fox news was not invented yet so samuel alito s wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old that s how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he s like, oh please don t put up a flag. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send the message every day. maybe every week i ll be changing the flags. i made a flag in my head. it s white and has yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word shame in italian. joining us now is andrew weissmann. he is co-author of the best- selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of justice alito and chief justice roberts. well, it could not be more striking from both of them of where the country is and we are hearing from a man who is a principal architect for the reversal, after 50 years, of roe v. wade. his thinking is in that decision is just as weak as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incidents. and you have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying, what is the correct thing to say. we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity. it is a real lot on this country and the judicial system and i hate to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on those decisions. that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated and not the way the court should be operating. their conduct as reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways without these tapes is something that is besmirching an important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it s hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these tape recordings coming out. we also have in these tapes, something very close to proving that justice alito lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because the person he s blaming saying she wants these flags because of the other ones people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. absolutely. there is nothing in there that i did it just in response. and even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to. as referred with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way. so what is just amazing to me is there is zero accountability of the supreme court. and that is where chief justice roberts, as much as he might be a good man personally and he obviously said the right things. you don t really get credit for that because that is what is expected, but that is where he is to blame in part for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are not upholding their oath of office and away that helps this country at large, whatever side you re on. if you saw this from a liberal justice, we would be just as outraged and, of course, you would hear just as much, but it s not appropriate behavior. you know, andrew, i will speak for me. i spent most of my life finding inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying. and lying about something important that affects the integrity of the course own decisions. and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason it was inconceivable was the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with who could not possibly step in these things the way that samuel alito has or that clarence thomas has but especially justice alito with the flags and his wife making these comments to stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying that shared the spirit of the january 6th insurrection, all of that completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body but because, who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agreed with them or not during most of our lifetimes. i just want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt on tape saying is that this is a christian nation and should be brought more to be a christian nation. and is a jewish american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that s is supposed to separate the religious beliefs, which everyone is entitled to their own, but it s not established by the government. and that principal is very much under attack right now. with at least five if not six justices. hearing that from justice alito s mouth basically rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe v. wade. the idea that we are just sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this is part of a religious fervor and you have justice alito saying it out loud and whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there because there was nothing that prevented him from responding the way that justice roberts responded, which was correct. and it reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight. you are welcome. coming up, our next guest needs either a long introduction or no introduction. i will decide which one during the commercial break. rachel maddow joins us next. this soil 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was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming. it gives me pleasure to introduce you at this time, the honorable lester hunt. he set his sights on the u.s. senate, and he won that race too. our distinguished guest this evening is the honorable lester c hunt. the most popular politician in his state, lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents for the people of wyoming. and to do some good for the rest of the country through service in the u.s. senate. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode anywhere you listen to podcasts. and you can subscribe to msnbc. him and get every episode. rachel, i cannot take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. tell me the rest of it right now. i cannot wait for the next episode. well, i mean, and then there is us. it becomes the america that we know. i will not tell you the whole story. thank you for letting me come to show and talk about it. lester hunt is i mean, he stopped completely forgotten figure, but things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that what i was trying to do in episode one was create the sense of the lost possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal that i am working on in this podcast. it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a bright future ahead of him and everything else in his life leading up to that moment was not anything to go by. and i think i ve become good at resurrecting old villains who we forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to remember his legacy and the loss of him to something that went wrong with extremism in american politics and it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. he s a democrat getting elected in republican wyoming. a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he s like the jon tester of his time in that situation. but apparently, very naove when he gets to washington in such a way and i m speaking beyond what i know. but clearly he gets eaten up by washington and this is the drama about more than him. so what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next few episodes, is that he s confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator in the opposite party who is his opposite and this other senator gets involved in a propaganda campaign . a foreign influence operation, which is an outrageous, like, dirty, false conspiracy theory tale designed to hurt united states. and lester hunt realizes what the other senator is doing. he s repulsed by it, and they come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing that the other senator is trying to advance. part of the reason i wanted to do this story is that while this is happening and while they are becoming mortal enemies in the senate, they lived next door to one another and their backyards backup to each other s houses. and while they have decided they are out to destroy each other, they can see how each other are living. and it only ratchets up the repulsion that lester hunt has and he decides on to take the political risk and i have to stand up against a monster like this and he does. and it is for the good of the country and it costs him his life. what he is fighting for and the reason he s fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the lowdown depth that some people will go to for political gain is an inspiration to me, even though it cost him his life. the first season talks about the poll that fascism had in the united states. the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and this and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii. and this takes us to a period after world war ii. those people, most of them disappeared and one of the things we talked a lot about was that it became a forgotten story. the great sedition trial and the americans that worked with a asian they were defeated one way or another. and that means that we forgot their stories. and it means we forgot their stories pretty quickly. when they were let go and didn t get prosecuted for it and in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all. their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before. for example, one of the characters in season 2 is someone who was part of the silver shirts and was writing for and in season 2 he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the u.s. government as, they believe him not just to be an american fascist, but a traitor and a nuclear terrorist. so this stuff gets worse. and he ends up involved with the republican senator who is a sitting senator in the u.s. senate. so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important that you please keep tabs on them to see where else they re going to turn up because it is never good. how many episodes, rachel? there are eight. and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do so you tell stories in your show that are similar to this and they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you, as a storyteller, in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? a very good question. the podcast is basically it s a little book. it s a tv show. if you put all the episode legs together it s something that i want to hold your attention for about 4 to 5 hours. so in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio and historical audio and the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt s voice was an incredible odyssey and superfund. but this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of the tv show. you have to stick with it. but by the time you get to the end, you should ve learned a new thing about american history and be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it so it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i m interested in these stories because i think they should be well known and we should all remember lester hunt and we should remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senate at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial of the united states and with all of those people getting away and those seditionist movements getting away without ever being criminally held criminally accountable for what they ve been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular and be a part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with a really strong anti-democratic challenges. we have a strong anti- democratic challenge right now, so we should know what are the options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what has not. the key to this great drama is, even if you don t care about democracy, and i don t understand you if you don t, if you don t care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters just perfectly told by america s friendliest boys to tell you scary things. the good news is these scary things are kind of over, except there are threads of them that are still with us now. an alternative name for ultra you could ve considered, but stuff that lawrence o donnell does not know. that could be the title. it s hard to squeeze it into that small space. but what did you say? the friendliest boys? i might hit you up for that. thank you. i cannot wait for more 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a.j. way billings, montana. i thought we were supposed to swim away from the shark. noim awaw we have to punch the . which one is it now? you punch first, then you swim y away. i m telling you, an expert told me that s the wa.y to get out alive. scott from oceanside, california if biden refuses to leave the white house, it will be because he can t find his warefusey. maybe maybe he doesn t know he loses. k. fainiaom chester, virgini biden will be at the beach. it s jill who won t leav will bh the white house. oh, jill. drte house. biden. excuse me. that s all for tonight. dvr the show. hannity is up next. and always remember, i m waters and this is my world. and i woke up to. hannity and tonight, here- are six words in the english language that every democrat they love, lov englie to recites quote, no one is above the law. no nw if you turn on fake news, cnn media and see you re going to hear that phrase a lot, but only when you re talking about trump or other republican k abs when someone on the left commits a crime. that ss a crim a very differents for example, over the weekend, you had riotertoryexample,s drep as islamic extremists vandalizing historic monuments ,let s say assaulting law enforcement, hurling projectileumentss at a park rand no consequences. lookrits they were trying to han an insurrection. there were no arrests, fines, n no dramatic pleas on the left for anyone to be held accountabldramatic lefe. we ll have a full report and more video of this repotnd s disgusting riol with a message for thoseose wh who are mad at israel for and quite heroically freeing four hostages in gaza. and another message for fake news, cnn, which seem to think that the israeli hostages were simplyh released, know they wee rescued. but first, we turn our attentio.wen to some of the most shameless and morally corrupt people it n america.ld that would be the bidens, many in the mob, the media. they love to point. oute to that hunter biden s ongoing trial is an exampl oute that a biden can face justice. but in reality, hunter s is but a perfect example of the t will goour governmen to allegedly to protect the son of a prominent democrat.know a now, according to the very real contents hunter s very real laptop, the president s son engaged a life of crime for many years. the evidence seems transparentai ,overwhelming, but you decide it was on a massive scale. remember the fallout of the 20 2051 intel experts signing a off on a letter claiming the laptop had all the p s of russiandisi disinformation. this after three years of liesni being peddled over and over again, the russia hoax by the mediover agaa mob, all of it a , all of it based on a dirty dossier. lying the dossier becomes the basis of lying to face the courtss for four separate times, three of tir honored by mr. highe himself, james comey. in reality, the so-called expert.s were spreading disinformation. all they knew about the laptop was nothinformatioaboug. wan they only knew they wanted joe biden to win. you think they d apologize . don t hold your breath. now that the laptop is official evidence at hunter s gun trial.s well, fox news digital reached n inteto theew all 51 intel expers who signed on to the letter and most had no regrets at alld whatsoever. they gotno what they wanted. they helped joe biden get the election in 2020. some even claiming that it was the patrioti.c thing to do.c thn a means to an end. anyway, of course, joe biden b is now president. the evidence of the alleged wrongdoing. on that laptop is shocking. you have rampant drug use, hundreds of thousandsan of dollars seemingly. i can t say for sure spent soliciting, purported tax evasion on millions of dollars in income that needs to be investigatedthat n, refusing tox file tax returns in certain years along with the possibility should be investigated. money laundering. the possibility of fara violations tietied td his own f. many americans can rightly sympathize. sure many, with hunter s addictions and personal struggles, but not the millionsaddi of millions of millions made with businesses in whichitcheric he admits he had zero experience at all. or all the shady actions of hisn father s department of justice, whicish is politicized and weaponized. according to the new york times , the doj prosecutor that s tasked with investigating hunter, this guy, david weiss, remember he s going to sweep the whole thing planned under the rug. no charges at all.ll after purposely the statute of limitations run out on some of the most seriouoms tax chargs from the burisma years. plan a well got ruined by two brave irs whistleblowers on,k tt two plan b, that was the sweetheart plea deal that looped a temporary gun charge and with a few minor tax violations. no jail time. sadly, plan b was ruineduse because. the judge actually read the plea deal and started askingread t real questions aboe totally, completely abd nature of the deal. and now we re on to plan c. welli we pla, years of investig. let s make this guy the special prosecutor. let vestigat guy thes go into ad in delaware in a courthouse there, and hope foe inr the.s the jury has officially beguns their deliberations. you know, any outcome won t surprise me, including an outright acquittal cquittal or a hungg jury jury. but they ll decide if hunter is guilty on the three felony charges. count one accuses hunter of lyingthree felolous hun on an and purchasing a gun, swearing that he was not addicted to drugs. count two accuses hunter of lying to the gun dealer. count three alleges that hunter illegally possessed the guned t while addicted to drugs or actively using drugsdr . t the evidence seems to me overwhelming based on evidence from the trial ased o. r one day after buying the gun, hunter texted his girlfriend hue he was waiting for his dealer. the next day, hunter textedcrac his girlfriend, he s smoking crack. so let s be cleaso be clear. hs these allegations are not a joke. sou biden, his fellow democrat ,don t they love to lecture you about gun control? fac in fact, president biden is now proposing tighter regulationents surrounding lawful gun ownership and steep penaltiesars for anyone who dares to step out of line. ou son on trial. but gun crimes. but if this is the only trial the hunter faces, this will only prove that biden s, s as we have been telling you, is politicized and weaponized. the judge instructed the jury to ignore hunter s ties to thee first family. but let s be clear. only because of those ties that hunter now is only facing gun charges in the biden friendly venue of delaware. he s not getting the donaldp go trump treatment like trump got in new york with a valuation of mar a lago at a mere $18 million in a case that involved, well, valuations the judge in that civil trial was more guilty of valuationaudn fraud than anything they accused donald trump of. and then, of coursg th e, have the case of alvin bragg. misdemeanor statute t of limitations expired upcharge it to a felony electioa felonyng but don t even tell trump what you re charging him with. you , more importantly, about the bidens. , oligarchs.ign oh why did they pay hunter biden millions of millionsing to of dollars, according to the johnson grassley senate report. johnwhat services was he capable of providing if he was admittedly addicted to drugs at the time? now, if he was lobbyingf on behalhef of a foreign entity, why didn t he register r with fara? isn t that required by law?re and why did hunter and the entire biden family use over 20 shell corporationes, according to the house oversight committee? were those accounts used actually used to funnel foreign funds to different members of the familtow y? hmm. interesting questions. right. did the big gu y benefit from hunter s foreign deals in any way? according to the laptop, that apparently is very real. all ths very re guy had 10% pute for him and hunter complainedst- bitterly about giving half his income to pops and complained about, paying for pops as home repairs. why did the big guy lie to you? every one of you watching this show about meeting with his son s business associates, remember, joe said overme eve and over, he never one time ever spoke to his son. brother, anybody about theses fo foreign business deals. devon archerre said he recallse bi joe biden calling into at least 20 meeting s with and theses fore foreign business partners. and what about burismasiness, the ukrainian energy giant? hunter admits no experience in oil, gas, coal, ukraine when he goes on good morning the america, but then gets paid millions to sit on that company s board d. and th and then joe, you might recall, braggeencalld about leveragings a billion of your dollars to get the ukrainiantoe ukrain m investigating this company and his son firepahis son d, brt getting it all done within 6 hours. the resultt gettin of that firig hunter continues to get paid four zero experience. never mind the chinese energy conglomerate cfc. we ll save that for another day. as you can tak see, hunter s gue trial is really just the tip of the iceberg. frankl of they, i would call itw hanging fruit when it comes to hunter and just below the surfac e. y pict it s not a pretty picture. make no mistake, when a family can ostracizuran no miste ize tn five-year-old granddaughter and ignore her until shamed by maureen dowd at the new york times and then neverl even follow up to talk to helor meet with her, include her. it s pretty safe to assume the worst. but of course, everyone, including hunter, they were innocenthunt until proven guilty in a court of law. right. so tonight, we continuighte a to await the verdict out of delaware. not exactly an unfriendly venuen for biden. here with reaction, we have fox news contributorn. e on jonathan turley john. and let s get your take on the case as an outside observer following it as closely as you. i felt the evidence was you , incontrovertible. i thought i actually was well, i actually was pretty impressed with the prosecution in this casey impres in, the case that t eventually did put on, but only because they were forcedy we to. well, the prosecution did an admirable job. i mean they were right on it. v they had a very tight case. what was most impressivede is that abbe lowell, the defense counsefense l, put p a series of defensese that collapsed within two days. the prosecutor just methodically. s method destroyed all of these claims. and in a normal case, that jury would have been out for an hour, come back with a conviction. i mean, this is very obviouslyss an offense that was committed, but that s not what the realffee is. i mean, these as implausible as these arguments are, they re really placeholders. the defense playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. thisware jurden town is wilming this is where the home of thefay biden family resides. and i think they re hoping for a jury nullification.. and to add to that i s a certain degree of sympathy for someone who had a tragic fightso w with with drug addiction. so we ll see what happens tomorrowlltomorr. ment there s no question in my view that the government stuck the landing here. they prove the case. the question is whether they cane the caestion get the y to consider the evidence and not justt wh who the defendt is. what do you think the most? and i thin youk, i do respect abby as an attorney. i think the one thing hunter does have goin e ong for him is abbe lowell. and i would argue there are noto many great attorneys in d.c., but he is a good attorney for sureat. ght and i thought he did as effective a job as he couldwe considering the hand that he was dealt, which was awful. with that said, do you think he was able to cast doubt in any area that sticks out in your mindha? no, no, i you know, the argument that was made by abby starting out was maybe brmeone else checked out box and they brought this mr. cleveland forward who just blew that out of the water and said, i stood there, watched him check that box and the otherg to boxes and told him to take his time, which he dids time. of then said, well, he was really sort of rushed into buy buyingin gun and cleveland saide no. he came in intendingnding to toy a gun. and then there was this ludicrous argument that hed thes sort of immaculate period of sobriety or, at least he was just drinking, not using drugs v . and the government destroyed it and showed a texent it the veryr day where he s trying to meet mookie to score more drugs.t and the day after that, sayingg that he s doing crack in a car.m and he had witnesses come forward to say that when they saw the crackayt , he doint every 20 minutes. so none of these thing livs survived within two days. but again, that s not to do with me unless i m sure the prosecutor. i m sorry, sylvester. i apologize. i thought you were finished. do a, you agree with me that theorta real important issues that people shouldntat be concernedriou about, then this is a serious ss issue that the crime aspect him and charging him here. but i think the more serious issues involve how much moneyy that this that hunter was heking without experience at a time he s addicted to drugs seemingly offering no services that we can identify as of now . no, that s exactly right. blewknow what s, amazing about this case is that it blew away their own defenser own desr that the media has been repeating for years. they ve been suggesting that hunte r biden really was this incredibly competent in demand. businessman and international expert in his book and in this a trial, it s clear that he was addicted and having a very difficult time managing moste. basic parts of his life. but he was getting millions from these companies wasons. yeah.. all right. jonathan turley, professor, ank you for joinin g us. for now, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. harvard law professoing us, for alan dershowitz. professor, you re actually on a satellite tonight, as i, zo don t have you on your little zoom thing. it s great to see you a little bit more clearly. we ll start with you tonight. let s get your taker take on the case. do you agree with the last question i asked professor o and turley, which is about, you know, this is low hangingw, fruit as far as i m concerned, considering the millions of millione s of dollars that they brought into this family at a time he s addicted to drugs and at, you know, with no experiencend, admittedl. in an interview on good morning america. look, the best thing that could possibly happet thinn to, donald trump, is if hunter biden gets acquitted because. en i the evidence against hunter biden is so much, so much more compellinh moreg. the legal issue is so much more compelling than anything against trump.t this and it will prove beyond any doubt that this is all about wherall abe the trial wasc conducted, that if you re trump and you tried in new yortehak, i it s automatic guilt. and if you re biden and you re triec guilif you rd in delawarea different verdict. so the best thing that could possibly happen, trump, is the acquittal of biden. based on all of this evidence. c it would also be aa. good thing for the for america. it would it would uncover and disclose the horrible crimi double standard that our criminal justice system is going throughnaicstem i. maybe we could get some reform. maybe we can do something about it right now. our criminal justice system jug of the world.h and i feel just so horribleable about. it i ve devoted six years of my life to trying to defend tars of and explain a legal system based on neutral principle is g that legal system is gone. the trump case destroyed destro. and if there were an acquittal in this case, at least it would expose it itt. now, there may be a conviction in this case because the evidence is so overwhelmingn that won t hurt donald trump. but if there were an acquittal, it would help donaldalt bu wer t trump enormously in the court of public opinion. pu that the acquievef new york verdict was justified. if there s an acquittal in this casen th, there s such a difference in terms of the venue, it seems. diff greg, that if you want equc justice and equal application of our lawatios and you want constitutional order, it s all going to depend on the venue.t l it s all going to depend on whether how politicizedprosec weaponized the prosecutor may be and how abusively biasede the judge can be. mm-hmm. a yeah, it blows a hole in thes notion constitu usually of an impartial jury. but here are the facts here.e so simple. the law is clear. the evidence of guilt overwhelmingthidence o the argut that hunter was in denial about is addiction. so that somehow forgives his lie. that is so. but look, if a hometown jury is already in your back pocket, then jonathan s right. sympathy and jury mightnotifi actually work. and it doesn t matteca r that jurors are not allowed to negate the law. they do it anyway sometimessecrc because secrecy them.pleaseions they could do as they please without consequence. having said that, prosecutors do have an advantage. ,they don t have to prove that hunter was high on drugs or addicted. ought the day bought the gunth only during the general timeframe, and that was proventt conclusively through text messages, photograph s, oo witnesses, his own words from the book he wrote. hunteotr, it turns out, was the best witness against hunter tohich is precisely why he chose not to testify. e been he would have beenly completely shredded on cross-examination shredcrossi all right. predictions. professor dershowitz essor de? well, i think the evidence a coo overwhelming there could be a conviction, but i wouldn t be surprised if we sawbut jury nullification. remember, jury nullification cuts both ways. what happenee saation.d in new n jury nullification. the jury found an innocen nev person who committed no crime whatsoever, guilty becauseerth of the judge s instruction. and because the prosecutor made up a case that was juryon nullification with the judge nullification. this very well be a casecase o of jury nullification as well. ry prediction. gregg jarrett well, this hase beenen a no nonsense honest judge, a federal judge hugeon difference between this judge and machine. s foll if the jurors follow theirth duty as theyey mus there will be a conviction. all right. i noll rightt know outcome, be t juilty verdict, acquittal, a hung jury. nothing will surprise me here, but we ll see. surall right. we thank you all.co appreciate it. when we come back, thingsmes ar are so i mean, so bad for democrats. you ve got prominent democrats, even a prominent election forecaster are floatinge id the idea that biden should drop out of the rac e. our friend james carville is losing his mind. arm e go, out the latest on him and much more as hannity continuears. i try to put my arm around any event that i can. absolutely. absolutely. at new day, usa, that what we re doing. we put our arm around the veterans. i 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young people for public policy, public service or being involved in the public squaren th is quite dishearteni. and i can understand that on one level, i may not talk term and a lot of things are nos art working for them, and i feel like the two guymean ms that dol mean much to him and i am really afraid that we re goingnl to lose a generation of young people. democrats use it losing their core coalition of party, young people, african-americans, hispanic-americans -. earlier today, election forecaster nate silver echoed comments saying democrats be would have been better off e would if biden had stepped d . yesterday, the new york times even publishinyestg a piece lon highlighting biden s long list of bizarre lies, including his claim that he used to driveh an 18-wheeler, that he was the first in his family to go to collegeo . that is uncle. he was eaten by cannibals. he receiven byd appointment to e naval academy from his future senate fro. he got involved with the civil rights movement at the ageinvold of 15. e we know that s a lie. he was arrested on a front porch with aarrestt family durg desegregation at a local neighborhood and that he never earned $400,000 in a year. well, now, of course, the newco york timesursek of various points, they kind of downplay these blatant lies as hyperbole or exaggeration and ones. and those are the ones they included. that s all the tip of the iceber.e g. cause take a look at your screenwe because we re scrolling more that biden has told over the years. by the wayby the, the new york s you re very, very welcome to use our farst o more comprehensive list of joe biden lies. biden lies you ever decide to an your corrupt and abusive bias? h and by the way, you can eventhat give me attribution. youoh, and joe did partner with that friend of his that mentor of his. that s right. the former klansman, robert byrd, to stop bussing and the integration of publicf schools. remember, joey said he didn t want public school ramembs to become racial jungles. they might want to cover that, too. th mightand as biden struggles e to mount, trump is not slowingtl down at all. his vp search is allegedly in full swing. earcbiden s desperate electione year border crackdown is alreadyear wate failing as i continue to flood over the border, whic h sources nowh saying 10,000 were apprehended on thursday alons knuckle, fours the limit at which biden said procould stop processing claims. in other words, it was asylum all smoke and mirrors als, noteo real. here with reaction, harris poll chair mark pen. n, the host of tomi lahren, is fearless. there s no such thing as a fearful tomi lahren. anyway, on outkick. tomi lahren. tomi, let s get your take. it s a long list of people now. it s james carville. i won t speak for mark penn. let i ll let him speak for himself. but it s van jones. it s david axelrod. is maureen dowd, nate silver. norod,w joining the chorus?you you have been saying, do you still believe 140 days out,o you think they re going to replace biden? i absolutely believe they re going to replace biden. i believe it s going to happen either at the conventionen.is or shortly thereafter. i think the democrats are far to s oro strategic and they re far too used to winninger and they enjoyefor winning far t much to take a risk with joe biden. and i knowe bide they took a rik in 2020. but when we look back ate lo and the debates in 2020 and we look at when he was newly elected, he was in fahen her better shapa than he is now, and he was slipping then. son th h i don t think they cani possibly take that risk. i do believe they re going to swablwho belip out. tha i also think that when it comes to this first debate, we need to actually raise our expectations of joe, because us counting it as aiseui he s able to sit upright and complete his sentence is givino stepg him far too much credit because then he ll claim a victory just like he did aften her the state of the union because he was able to get through it in one piece. so we have tioo raiseo ra our expectations of biden. and we also have to put the onuse oude on the democrat a and not just the messenger, but the actual messagecrat a. d because if and when they do swap out biden, we have to be ready on the republican siden and we cannot be caught flat footed if they bring gavin newsom in anottedd he s a shiny new toy. we can t let that happen. we thas, egy of the democrat i don t think we got that.n: i think it s more likel i dot be whitmer if they have the ability to bypass vice b president. mark, can anybody really conclude anythinmark, g? smart democrats like yourself, you really don t want biden, do you? well, i think i ll i ll defer that one per se. but look, i didn t think he wasd goinidn g to run. he decided to run. thesyou know what swept the democratic primaries? these are his delegatee hes. it s his convention. the idea that he s not going i to be the nominee i think is ara fantasy. i think the party is around hiri . i don t know why james said what he said. it s not really particularly tyi oint. useful at this point. i l the only thing i ll say is this the base. mark, you know why he saidid what he said? vengeance. a little riskyha. you know why he said it was. it s a sign that it s obvious this guy is a mumbling and bumbling, stumbling, bumbling. you know, he could barely sentences together. however, i do take tommy swever, admonition really seriously. i think we ll see the return up of jacked up joe.wh whatever joe drankatev eight tak before the state of the union. maybe it was just red bull and caffeine pills. i don t know. whatever it was, that was note m the normal joe. we never saw it before and we haven t seen it since. but we will see it fornce. the. now, there are some even saying, mark, that donald jus trump might be wise to just pass on the first debate. wait till he s nominatede firs,n debate. and what would you say to thawhat wt? h oh, i d say he accepted it. he it in the lion s den. ifif i were donald trump, i would have done some betterin negotiating here, but i don t think he can back ougt without really looking cowardly. and i think biden has, you know, said he s going to meet the challenge. i thinow, saidk it s big test wt he is whether you think he s jacked up or noher yot. dt if he can get through that debate, he ll lift his campaign. and if he can theampaign ant, - that might actually be in some jeopardy. they might have actually, joe, might have done donald trump a favo mr and i say this affectionately, tommy, by insistingg that that when itm his turn to speak, that they mute his microphone becausk the think that was a mistake in the first debate in 2020. your reaction? well, i would hope with a i w lot of things foouldr that firsd debate. obviously, it s stacked against donald trump and we know that. but i thin agak donald trump han incredible opportunity in this first debate to act more presidentiaortunityirst den he s ever acted in his entire life. push everything on joe and joe pushs agenda and his failed policies, which is the democrat failed and policies and agenda. de donald trump just sits back and he lets talk himself into a corner, then donald trump will win that first debate. he just has to restrain himself, which i believeave to he do i . pull it in, act t as presidentit and dignified as possible, n and he will win against joe biden and his failed policies. he simply can t stand on thosebn . and quite frankly, he can t stand at all. all right. t ask you this. if, in fact, joe, for whatever mark penn went out, tom is convinced mar it wouldt be gavin newsom. i m not sure. i don t think it would be gavin. that s just my guess. i have no inside knowledgethat except that he told me over ove and over and over and over again when i interviewed himt do and in the debate with governor desantis, that he wouldn t do it. okayokay. so i think the most lk person, if it s notharris president harris, would be governor whitme wor whitmr. that s my take. people have floated the name jo michelle e obama. i don t think she s up to the. job myself. would be the most likelywh democrat? who would you pick if you had to choose somebody? well, again, you have to go through the history here. these delegates were nominated for this ticket. harris, i think would be the likely nominee if for some reason, any reasone hims joe biden had to remove himself, you could bet on thate as almost a certainty you think would be kamala harrisy feat. yes, absolutely. all right. is on well, bet the game s on.t i don t know what you guys want to. bet. but, you know, feel free, you know, off ai yr. when w thank you both. all right. when we come back. all right. foack ghr israeli hostages, thak god held by hamas terrorists october the seventh. they were rescued duringai what was a daring raid this week. and we have the video of it. but your vic we ho e is making sure to appease her far left base rather than praising those involved in the heroic raid. ha 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ulta.com. order right now when you can t watch. listen. get latest news, business and news headlines on sirius xm. anytime, anywhere. fox news radio on sirius xm america is listening this. arin past weekend during a daring raid as israel rescued hostages taken during the october seven terrorist attack. the idf just released video of this very dangerousy da operation. take a look at thisngerous. we had recorded a catch phrase that said and they indeed said listening to the in me. yes, yes, yes, yes. a very courageous, serious, but complex military operation. but over there in fake news, cnn one banner called the, quote, a hostage release. no, that would be a rescue. keep in mind, that is a networka that s supposed to hosto the upcoming presidential debate. host the fake jake tapper and dana bash really be objective or trusted? no, they re liberal talkir show hosts. they re not journalists, as they claim to be. alsoeral ot, vice president harris. oh, she mourned the palestinians, quote, tragicallyt ha killed duringn an the raid and call for an end to the war. playino thg, of course, to her extremist left-wing base which showed in full force thishi weekend in front of the white house and promptlyin fro started vandalizing monuments and lafayette square, reportedlyyette sq at police ant service and demanding the elimination of the state of israel. now, secret service agents, you know were told to kill themselves and there was a lot of f the police s release fromof some of these radicals. and by way, they were forced fro to retreat from the insane mob. anyway, herethe in reaction. r former senior aide to presidentr trump stephe sn miller. and from the lawfare project,pr brooke goldsteinoject is us. you know, the people that aresi responsible fobler the murder of 1200, brooke, the people that took all of these israelisi and americans hostage and israel bravely is risking lives to go saved is the liveseh of people. i argue that every death of every palestinian that blood is on the hand is of hamas, that that started this war, esea that killed these israelis. the worst terror attack in their history. and it s miraculous that they got thesn histor mire four host. and that would be called a rescue, not a release. your reaction? well, sean it s great to beo be here with you again tonight. and i want to say that you re ab are absolutely correct. under the laws of armed conflict , it is hamas, a terrorist group that is responsible for the death of civilians, both israeli civilians and palestiniaans bothaelin civ. but you have to ask yourself, knowing what is happeningwhat in this war right now, at what point under the laws of armer td conflict do you lose your civilian status? t wa because let us not forget that it wa00s over 2000 and gaza civilians that broke into israel on october the seventh. it was the gazan civilians along with hamas that tortured that that murdered that burned israeli civilian babies alive. it was gazan civilians that then took israeli civilianit gars as hosts that kept them, tortured them were paid by hamas to keep them, raise them as . at what point do you lose your civilian status, being a civilian is not an affirmative defense to murder civilians or r do murder other civilians. and you best be sureothers c tho matter what you call yourself, if you kidnap and murder israeli civilians, the idf will rightly hols thd accountabt and, you know, it s sort of like that that coastal elitist, you know, hollywood leftists, george clooney and his wife literally wanting bg bibi netanyahu to be brought up on war crimes as he s literally trying to defend his own country from radical islamic terrorists radic. al you know how people lack that moral clarity. stephen miller i will nevestepha for the life of me understanndd israel has the right to self-determination to defend their country from a group that has in their charter a call israel s destruction that would have been 40,0000 ded dead americans in a day based on their populationn. and then you have, you know, jack actors likegoing george clooney and his wife going after the prime prime mint for trying to preserve their country. really? well, you knowally, is your morl compass, mr. clooney. although mr. i m being a bito too polite. here isn there isn t one, sean. there s no moral compasss no moe the radical left in this country has decided that it s on the side of hamas. it s as simple as that. hamas is a genocidal terroristte organizationrror. one of the most evil, vile, repugnant, repulsive organizations alive today, or any point in the history of humanity. they, as has been discussed, they , they butcher, wome murder, they tortur coue t enslave women and children, barbarians. but joe biden, us democrat parte y is now playing fore pr the pro hamas vote in this this country. they re playing for whatever sliver of voters in this country they thinkslivft is sympathetic to hamas. now, that s morally to hs morall. but i would also sayi wo it s politically idiotichamas because for every pro-hamas site in this country thi, theres 20 voters, 30 voters who are as horrified and, as appalled te by the atrocities of hamas i e are on this panel tonight. i believe joe biden will pay a dearbeliev pay price for cozyp to that segment of thete us electorate. e this is one of the saddest moments in us histor u.sy that n did he abdicate america s rolee on the world stage as theus leader of the cause of libertyan and freedod freem but then he ao surrendered in the war against islamic terrorism by saying, we re not going to help israel defend against those people that attacked them on october 7th. you know, just just the perfect to raise money with george clooney and his wife. thanoney a his wifk you both.p t appreciate it. coming up, donald trump,he biy in thea, thell state of virginia, the commonwealth, well, the blue statecommon red in nov. we ll ask governor glenn youngkin. and later, biden hosted a juneteenth event at the white house 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wisconsin. michigan, nevada and arizona, those battlegrounda an states ae seeing the exact same kind of statement that virginians are make. and they want a strong america. they want an america that ha was economic strength, not the biden generated economy. no unleashed inflation. they want an america that has national security, not the indecisive, weak america that joe biden has created. they want an america that has a secure border, not one that has terrorist and illegal immigrants and fentanyl flowing over every day. i i mean, we see it in virginia. we literally have five virginians dying on average from fentanyl overdose. and we hadeinians d i two illegl immigrants crash the gates at quantico in a box truck recently. and they want an america that has energy . we are so tired. i can hear it every single day of being told that you have to buy. and even if you live e b in california, but not in virginia anymore because we declared our independenc ivirgir that in fact you and you have, 0 to pay 20, 30, 40% more for a gallon of gas because of the biden failed energy policy. they want trump back in the amei white house because he built a strong america. and that sca exactly what we ve seen in virginia over the course of the last couple of years , commonsense conservative policy works. we ve unleashed a riunleashep ey in virginia, and i think they want to see it on a national level. yean thins, virginia is in play.in we got five months of hard work . but i m telling you, when they put that when they put the records of president trump againss oft president bidi i believe that virginians and american ts are going to fid themselves pulling the lever for president trump. so when i was with presidentr trump last week and i did an asterview with himeseekend, youe came up and he asked me ifke i spoke to you off, and i said, well, occasionally you we you k, we have we have spoken. and you come on the show. , tell and he said, when you talk to him, tell him i m going to give him a call goito g. i want to thoughts on virginia. so i would say expect the callmt from president trump. i don t know. i m just a mere messenger. right. you know, what about northern virginia? because that alwayr.s scares me, because there are so many dark bureaucrats that live in the commonwealth of, virginia, that work in d.c. and how big ah percentage of the vote is that going to end up being for the commonwealthating the ? well, in order to win virginia like we did in 2021,e you have to lose northern virginia less badly. and what we did, of course, was wen the hispanic vote, we won the asian vote, we won oen the independendent vt vote. people are ready for change. and in 2021, they were readywe to see parents put back at the head of the table, controlof of control of their children s lives. they were tire t children sd oft taking all of their hard earned money and putting it in government cofferrned mones,g in their pocket. they wanted a chance to build their livethey wands the way thd to build them and not being told what to do all the timeo . mandated masks and oh, by the way, mandate what kind of ca or. you drive. this is virginia. and of course, i think thithisv is america. and therefore, the plan to win virginiathan t is, of course, to lose northern virginia. less bad, but to get over 40% nt of the vote and then knock it out in the rest of the state. di and that s exactly what we did in 2021. and when you looand when youk am trump s strength across virginia, that s exactly what he ca ginia thn. let me ask you a finalr fi question. if donald trump annald i knowou your name hasn t been out there prominently, but if donald trump called not you, asked you toun run with him, what would you say,m governor? well, well, first, i would be honored and humblede . he rep tell him that there is a ton of talent in the republican party today, everyw and i ve seen them everywhere. and it s my job to finismyh winv my finish my time as governor and help him win virginia. irwhat tell you what.ha we ve got to make sure weve t get donald trump back in the white house because donat withstand another four years of joe biden. is that a hard no, sean,r hear that that is that is a a realistic view of the fact that there s so much talentha that i think he can have a great choice and fin d lots of people i think i can ask this would be honored but indert understand. all righand. t governor, alwayswhen great to have you on the program. when we come back, the white w u house hold the juneteenth event tonight. they didn t go well for joe. straight aheadll o, the thinking is starting the writing clock. usa today, the wall street journal and entertainment weekly hailed the black writers on june 21st. one of the biggest films of the summer arrived the many nice little i like you guys. you re in a nice. how many staff ladies did you win? they said seven. felt like one. he keeps writing. he s going to die one way or another. you re crazy. we are on desire, but 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might remember something was going on. the country was sort of distracted. every news organization when donald trump had a verdict. the jury found him guilty on all 34 charges. he totally melted down. earning what i think was the headline for the ages from that day. convicted, trump blames judge, jury, and country gone to hell. what a nice man. what a leader. but while that was happening in new york, there was a big surprise in michigan. now, do you remember seeing this tape? this was from right after the 2020 election. it was december 14 of 2020. this really appear today be a crime being committed there on tape. and an important crime. these are republicans in michigan showing up at the door of the state capitol, demanding that they be let inside because they insisted that they were michigan s votes for the electoral college. since december 14th was the day all the states were casting their votes, these guys demanded to be let in to cast michigan s electoral college votes for trump. which is not the way it works because trump lost michigan and biden won. but these republicans were pretending to be the real electors and demanding to be let in. and that police officer stopped them. and he was very polite. he was like, the soul of patience. very kind to them. he was very, very firm with them. he is so patient. the electors are here and you re not them. he stops them from what they were going to do. get themselves into the state capitol. that was in 2020. that was the middle of the effort to try to overturn the election results and have trump stay in power though he lost. i say that looked like a crime being committed and an important one because those fake electors have been criminally indicted for what they did there. for conspiracy to commit forgery and election law forgery. the 16 fake trump electors were all charged with those felony counts. and in that criminal case in michigan, there were 11 other people besides the fake electors who were listed as unindicted coconspirators in that same case including former president trump himself and his then lawyer rudy giuliani who has since had his law license removed. the prosecutor described trump s status in the michigan case by saying quote he is a part of the investigation. but he hasn t been charged with a crime yet. hasn t been charged yet. in court proceedings on that criminal case. because there are felony charges pending against the fake electors themselves. last week, there was testimony from that particular police official. the same guy who had to personally bar the door of the state capitol when they were trying to get in. on thursday, while trump was being convicted in his new york criminal case, he, this michigan state police captain now, he was being interviewed by the fbi and by federal prosecutors from washington dc. wait a second. i thought he was testifying in a state case. a state criminal case that has been brought against those fake electors, yes, he was, but he testified he had just been in touch with federal prosecutors and the fbi. so in that michigan fake elector s prosecution, michigan is one of four states where they are pending. prosecutor says he is not charged under michigan law. we find out in surprise testimony that federal prosecutors as of right now, as of thursday, are interviewing people who saw what happened with the attempted overthrow of the election in michigan. there haven t been federal charges brought in michigan. right? trump is already facing federal criminal charges for trying to overthrow the government and stay in power after losing the 2020 election. those charges were brought in dc. but it would appear that federal investigation into that overall matter is still open. if federal prosecutors from dc and the fbi are still investigating and still interviewing people right now. if they are doing so, and according to that police captain s testimony they are, i would guess the fbi and federal prosecutors are still looking into the michigan fake electors matter. there is already the federal criminal indictment against donald trump, maybe these interviews with important figures in this matter in michigan indicates the possibility of a superseding federal indictment. maybe additional charges for the same defendant who has already been charged. trump may be potentially adding more defendants to it. we do not know. but, that michigan state case is still open and ongoing and it is apparently a matter of active investigation by federal prosecutors and the fbi as well. knock me over with a feather right? that was unexpected for me. it is a reminder that things may not unfold the way any of us is expected. and you may think you are sort of running through the tape in this stuff and you look ahead and realize there s a lot more tape and lots more intervals. i mean, who knows how this is going to unfold. and for how long. this is the first former president to ever be criminally indicted. then he got criminally indicted three more times. he was the first former president to face a criminal trial. then he became the first former president ever convicted of a felony. then he was convicted of two felonies, then three, then four, then ultimately 34. he is named as an unindicted coconspirator in the criminal case against arizona republicans who helped try to overthrow the election result ins that state. he is named as an unindicted coconspirator in the case in michigan as well. things are not necessarily going to unfold the way we are expecting. and none of this is over. yes, if trump gets elected in november, that s one thing. but if he loses in november, this is all going to go on for a very long time in lots of different places which is important for us to think about as a country. because we have a legal system that we use for all sorts of things. including for holding people accountable for when they try to overthrow the government. and we have now got not just trump and his most rabid followers, but we have now got a whole republican party that is on the record, deeply and radically invested in delegitimizing the american legal system in the eyes of the american people. which means in practical terms, that the people who end up, it is by choice, sometimes it s not. these people are going to need protecting in an ongoing way. stormy daniels to whom the push money payment was made that was falsely booked in trump s business record which is why he was convicted of 34 felonies. stormy daniel has done her first interview since the verdict. and in that first interview, you can see that she is just, an emotional interview. you can see she is overwhelmed in particular by the revelation though this one trump case is over, this whole thing is never going to be over for her. it is not how i feel. it is how i don t feel. i am obviously glad of the verdict. it proves i was telling the truth. that i was not paid for sex. it was not a prostitution job. i was not an escort or a prostitute. but i guess i just thought i would put the bow on the package and it would be all tied up and good. the good part is, i don t have to go to court again because that s never fun. you always feel like you are the bad guy even when you are not. because being on the stand is intimidating with all the jurors looking at you. i m glad some stuff came out in court that i wanted to come out. and it proved like i said, i have been telling the truth the entire time. but at the same time, emotionally, it is not over. it is probably i realize, it is probably never going to be over for me. he has the patience of a saint. and he is brave i think. i know what his life is going to be like in the immediate future. i fear for the jurors as well. i fear for the jurors as well. nbc news reporting that the other main prosecution witness in the trump criminal trial michael cohen has since the verdict had his whole family doxed. people have posted street addresses for his wife and children and other identifying information. nbc news reported in the immediate wake of the verdict, pro trump message boards posted a high volume of violent threats toward the prosecutor and the judge in the new york case including what purported to be the home address of the district attorney alvin bragg and the home addresses for some of the jurors from the case. this is what it is like for people who are part of a legal system. and this is an ongoing thing. this is not going away. there s lots of pending cases against trump. and, these threats and the harassment and intimidation of people who are involved, witnesses, jurors, prosecutors, court personnel. the intimidation campaign against everyone they have involved. they circulated the purported names and photographs of members of the grand jury in fulton county georgia. this year before trump was convicted in march and april. reuters counted at least 152 posts on three pro trump websites. urging the beating or killing of judge merchan or judge mcafee. one january 6th convict who has served his prison sentence taking part in the trump mob attack, he posted on twitter. a noose. it is designed to make the legal system unworkable when it comes to trump. it is designed to make people more willing to participate in the system if trump is involved in the case. they want you to fear for your life and the live of your family. that s the basic idea behind it. right? we are all supposed to be so scared of what he will do. we are supposed to be so scared of how crazy his supporters will go, to be safe, we should let him do whatever he wants. anything that annoys him or holds him back or punishes him for what he has done, they will get so mad and we should be so scared of what he will do. because oh, you wouldn t like them when they re mad. trump was asked about his potentially being sent to prison when he gets sentenced next month. he said this in response. he said quote, i don t know that the public would stand for it. i m not sure the public would stand for it. i think it would be tough for the public to take. at a certain point, there is a breaking point. he is saying you jail me, there will be a breaking point. the public won t stand for it. sounds like a threat right? it is a threat. he wants us all to feel threatened. he makes the same threat all the time. september, 2022 after the fbi served the search warrant, he said i don t know how much more our country will be willing to withstand. two months later, december, 2022, all caps. the people of this country are not going to take it much longer. then he was asked about the possibility of him being criminally indicted. he said i think you will have problems in this country the likes of which we have never seen before. i don t think the people of the united states would stand for it. i this i they would have big problems. i don t think they would stand for it. in march, 2023, he said if he was indicted, it would rain down death and destruction. that he said would be catastrophic for our country. death and destruction if he were indicted. then he was indicted. then, last summer after he was indicted, he was asked about a possible prison sentence. he say theres will be civil war level catastrophic violence if anything happens to him. like an indictment or an arraignment which has happened multiple times. like a conviction which has happened 34 times. every step of the way, he has made the same threat. death and destruction, like nothing the country has ever seen before. it was not actually what they do. it is not actually how the country feels. most people in this country think the verdict was the right thing. the country is not rising up en masse to defend him. the country thinks, he committed crimes and it makes sense he was convicted of them. these threats that if anything happens to him in the legal system, the country won t stand for it and there will be mass violence and there will be blood in the streets and there will be riots. that is not happening. what is happening is his followers are terrorizing individual people. involved in the legal process. and the republican party at the highest level and with almost total uniformity is simultaneously telling the american people that the american legal system is bunk and they shouldn t respect or trust it and republicans at the state level are not just tolerating and trying to get away with election crimes to help trump, criminal election subversion is now being celebrated and rewarded even in places where criminal prosecutions of these folks are ongoing. places like arizona and nevada. fake trump electors are charged with felonies there. but the accused felons have been given new jobs. state representatives to the republican national committee. they have done the same with one of the fake electors in wisconsin. where republicans are trying to recall a state legislative leader who acted with insufficient fervor to overthrough the election results in wisconsin when biden won that state and trump lost. in nevada, two of the states official electors for the 2024 election will be people who are currently under indictment for what they did as fake electors in the last election. in the republican party right now, january 6th defendants are hostages and hero who s will be fully and immediately pardoned. fake electors will be new party leaders. brave souls who said no to the coup. people who democrats and normal people briefly tried to lionize for their bravery. they are rejected. while prosecutors and judges and witnesses and jurors are hounded and threatened daily. this is not something about which you can put your head down and wait it out. because these cases are going to go on and on. but we are in a moment where the burden of intimidation and harassment and threat and violence, the burden of what is going on in the trump movement is terroristic. it is not mass violence. the burden of what is being threatened against our fellow americans is falling disproportionately on on a small number of people. to try to pick them off. in order to intimidate the whole country. there isn t a civil war. there isn t a riot. i was promised there would be riots if trump were convicted. there were no riots. there hasn t even been a good sized trump protest in years. they are not using mass action. they are using targeted harassment and threats toward specific people to try to cow all of us. to make us all scared of anything that holds trump to account and punishes him for committing crimes. so the solution to that is not rocket science. it is not complex. it s like a couple of things fairly obviously. one, we defend more than we have been. the people being intimidated and harassed and threatened, because they are standing in for all of us. we as a country will change our behavior. we will in the words of tim snyder s book, we will advance, we will cower and try to make sure we only do things that make trump happy. because we are so scared of the response. there are individual people who are bearing the brunt of terroristic intimidation by the pro trump movement that is designed to carol all scare all of us. if we don t stand up for those people, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy. they can all be protected. second. we have a report coming up live from michigan where the testimony from the end of last week opened a spotlight on the fact that there might be further federal criminal charges related to the efforts to overthrow the election. we should not cower about the prospect that trump and his supporters will get mad if trump is held to account. yes, they will be mad. more federal charges could be brought. if so, so be it. there is no reason anybody should shy away are the that. more state charges may yet be brought. there are open investigations, not guilty just in michigan, but in some of the other states, they have pronounced trump to be an unindicted coconspirator. they said the investigation is ton going. in more states, 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i think you hit on a couple of them. this is ongoing. the attorney general s staff is trying to figure out what the guidance was that was provided to these 16 electors whose signatures ended up on this certificate claiming donald trump had won michigan 16 elector votes. the investigation is ongoing. there is a federal probe that is ongoing as you mentioned. the key thing here is the attorney general s office has to prove as part of his case to be successful, these individuals had an intent to defraud the public. the question is, did these individuals have that intent? or was someone essentially fooling them into signing this document not letting them know what the true purpose of the document was and turning it around, taking their signatures and doing something different than what they had told them they were going to do? that s the crux of all of this. it is not their attempt at fraud, if it is someone else s, the question is whose was that and why have they not been charged so far? right. and to have the state prosecutors in michigan, the investigators say we have these 16 defendants but here are another 11 people unindicted coconspirators including the former president. they are painting a sprawling picture. but the charges haven t necessarily followed all of the all of the allegations. part of the reason i wanted to talk to you, i was surprised by this revelation you reported in court that there appear to be an ongoing federal investigation here. a federal investigation on top of what s going on with the state. do you have any sense from what has been disclosed in court what the contours might be of that federal investigation? well, the police captain who revealed this, and everyone in the courtroom was surprised by this. the defense attorneys were surprised. even the judge used the word surprised to talk about this. statement that was made by the michigan police captain all of a sudden out of the blue is kind of a traditional line of questioning. who else have you talked to? and this police captain says oh, i talked to some people yesterday from washington dc. everyone froze for a second. what do you mean you talked to someone from washington dc yesterday? he said that this interview focused on the electors. this was an interview that lasted some amount of time talking about the fake electoral votes that the people brought to the doorstop of the michigan capital on december 14th, 2020. he said that they didn t ask about specific individuals. he had a list of names they asked about this person. it must have been from what i could tell from his testimony, must have been overall what happened when you were at the doorstep. what happened? it was fbi, fbi personnel, and federal prosecutors. exactly right. wow. it s amazing. it is important to keep your old tape when you play a tape of something. hold onto it. you never know when the fbi will finally follow up on the crime that you aired on your tv show. craig, you have really helped us and the whole country follow the nitty-gritty of these stories as they have unfolded and they unfold in more and more important ways so we are grateful for you. thank you. thank you for having me. craig, politics reporter for the detroit news. all right. we ll be right back. stay with us. be right back. stay with us. good vision is more important than ever, but so is saving. that s why america s best includes a free eye exam when you buy two pairs of glasses for just $79.95. book an exam online today. here s to getting better with age. here s to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. .without the stuff you don t. so, here s to now. boost. 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