come on camera, to let these children know they are not alone. the facility very close to the ride here. they are sure the protesters were making their voices heard to the children inside to the at least 70 children separated from their parents, girls and boys, age 13 to 17. i was speaking to asylum speakers as well. we reported earlier in the week from mexico, people desperately trying to cross over, a journey that can take up to three months. i spoke to one asylum speaker from honduras. she came traveling her 11-month-old child. it took her six weeks to get to the border. she was turned away for eight days. eight days on the mexican side trying to get in through the port of entry the right way, as president trump would say. after she came here, she was given an immigration court day. we re following up with her. she has to show up to court this tuesday. she was showing me the documents. they re all in english, of course, barely able to make any sense of them. and she cannot afford a lawyer to her her in her asylum case. that s some of the challenges these families are facing even when they try to seek asylum the right way. cal, on that point, i go back to that tweet from the president, we re going to talk about it later with some legal experts. he s talking about folks coming to the country being dispatched immediately without due process. there is an ignorance therein, a lack of nuance, with those seeking amnesty as mariana has described. cal, walk us through the distinction that the president seems to be missing. reporter: the incrennel thing is you learn down here, and mariana can attest as well as anybody. what happens in these courts. it was shocking to me. they come in en masse, and the judge asks them to plead. everybody uss are you guilty? and everybody goes, si. and they get them out of the courthouse. it s crazy. it gets more complicated when you re talking about the kids. what often happens is the parents end up being deported, the kids end up in a camp behind me. when the president says what we should do is turn people around and send them back without any due process, while there s certainly a lot of due process in existence now, what he s talking about frankly is a violation of international law, david. we ve been fixated on this number 2,053. that department says that s the number of children still in custody and what and other colleagues have been reporting throughout the day, those children could very well no longer have parents in this country. just explain how that can be the case. talking about the time you both have spend in courthouses, why might be it be the case thatten of those parents are no longer in the same country as their children? reporter: let me paint this picture to add to the color that cal was talking about. they penal who don t even speak the same language as the judge, are given an average of a minute. their entire life is decided in a minute where they were prosecuted, and basically advised to please guilty so they can be reunitewood their children. so one minute that determines your entire life and your ability to be with your children other parents toll me they were also told to sign documents they didn t even know exactly what they were. some people telling me that they had to sign they were told to sign the documents in order to see their kids again, because they had been separated. just imagine the enormous pressure that they are under, these parents. what we are learning is they folks, probably many of them, the parents of over 2,000 children, have already been deported back to central america, now being instructed to call a 1-800 number from rural honduras or guatemala or el salvador, to try to locate these kids. in the facility behind me, we learned yesterday that the unit in charge of helping these kids locate their parents and reunify is off on the weekends. they don t work saturdays and sundays. if you want to locate your kid, you re just going to have to wait until tomorrow. mariana, thank you, and caliperry, thank to you as well. there s more than just spanish spoken, a lot of indigenous languages. the challenges are indeed big. i m joined by a pan. katy, let s talk about folks signing documents that might not know what those documents are. if one pleads guilty, leaves the country, wants to come back legally, i can imagine this can present a host of problems who then wants to try to gain citizenship in this country. absolutely. in those fleeting minutes when the plea of guilty is taken either in english or spanish, that plea of guilty will be used against somebody who is either a refugee, which means they have started the process in their own country, or someone seeking asylum, fleeing persecution, but they re actually here. it s a federal crime, a misdemeanor, but if you try it again, it becomes a felony. right now what is happening is, in my legal opinion, when you re presenting these options to people in fleeting minutes and basically saying if you want to see your kid again, you have to plead guilty, i think that s being done under duress, and duress is an ability for someone to say they did not knowingly and intelligently basically waive their rights. if somebody wants to ultimately challenge this, which i think will happen and perhaps it would go as star as the united states supreme court, they can do so. right now they are stuck between a rock and a hard place to decide whether they want to be with their children or not. sarah, i want to play a bit of tape, michael mccaul was on that call. he s the chairman of the homeland security committee. we as a minimum have to deal with the family separation. i m a father of five. i think this is inhumane. this is not the face of america that i think most people want. i have heard recent reports that that policy may be revisited and it may not go forward. you have the chairman of the homeland security committee there, sarah, talking about that policy changing. if it gets us to this point, we wonder what the policy is going forward. is it any clearer what this administration s policy is? that s been the big question for several days. we ve seen a lot of back and forth, a lot of murmurs and reports, but the line from the administration has been, including the president himself, that the zero toll ran policy needs to remain in place. he said repeatedly, i was in the room this week before a cabinet meeting, where he said without it we would have people streaming across or boarders. the latest word from the federal government is that that is in place, but as you note, the president did pull back with his executive order, apparently trying to undo aspects of his own policy, but it s still unclear, you know, what s happening to some of these children and what happens to families as they come in. gregory, i want your read on what this white house is thinking at this point. you heard from the president yesterday in las vegas how immigration remains a good political issue for the republican party. how much does that resonate with other republicans in washington, d.c.? yeah, ever since he signed this executive order, which showed a rare moment of backing down on this policy, it s been full speed ahead ever since. i expect he ll do it again on the road as he goes around to campaign in south carolina, in north dakota, in wisconsin, because as he said in las vegas yesterday, he feels like it s an issue that s a winning issue for him. he sees this as a political issue above everything else, that democrats are trying to use the immigration issue to obstruct, and he s perfectly willing to issue to gain advantage in the midterm electio elections. we talk a lot about confusion and chaos. we re waiting to see what a judge in california says about the flores settlement. what will you be watching for as the week unfolds? of course, the rule right now is 20 days that you can keep these families together, and so what happens after that? what happens in congress? the president has sent mixed messaging this week about what he wants congress to do. he s blamed democrats for what s going on at the border. -to-important to always noah yet he s called on congress to get together and do something, but he tweeted ha house republicans should maybe wait until november, then they can do something. i ve asked the white house about this what does the president want? i ve heard what seems like a hesitancy to contradict the president, or discourage a vote. i think the line is that they want a vote, you know, but it s looking really difficult to get any legislation through the house, much less through the senate. 30 second here, katy. if that judge doesn t agree with the trump administration, if the flores settlement can t be extended, where do we go from there? the doj will not be happy with that. currently you can only keep kids in detention for 20 days. that executive order is raftsly offensive if he thinking it s supposed to aswage people. he katy, gregory, sarah, thank you very much. one of the trump s top campaign officials is gaining growing scrutiny over a remark this morning. that liberal mark hayden, that screaming you re out of your cotton-pickin mind. let me tell you something all right. i have some relatives who picked cotton. i m not going to allow you to attack me like that on tv. we ll be joined on the other side of this break. is brakes out of nowhere. you do too, but not in time. hey, no big deal. you ve got a good record and liberty mutual won t hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. you hear that, karen? 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i think it s frustration overall with how the administration and people surrounding this president reduce us into ethnic groups and reduce us into men and women and people of different religions and whatnot. one of the reasons that struck me so much is my namesake is my great grandfather, who was a sharecropper. i took that very personally. you know, our family and people like us have worked very hard to come up over the years. so to have someone reduce our experience and to try to make light of that experience, which i imagine that s what he was doing, that was offensive. i m going to read hi apology that s offensive. i ll be okay, but what about the children who have been separa d separated. what trouble mess is is this is not aon nom lutz. this is what mark huckabee tweeted. nancy plotsist introducing her campaign committee for the takeback of the house, karen tumlety tweeted after that criticizing him for do that, and he who, yaw, because it s an el lyle. nancy pelosi defended them, because she sa are you defend them, too? i would say that s a despicable exchange. it s fair to say that mike muck abee has the ear of the president as well. what s your sense of hthe statement that i said that i want to make sure people think about, you don t have to be a gold retriever to hear the that s not just the president, that s the people surrounding him. governor huckabee was offended at what happened to his daughter being shown the door. maybe i would have dealt with that differently, you can t expect people to not judge for what they do. you can t expect them not to be judged for that when they continue to do that and continue to offend people. there s a consequence to that behavior, unfortunately. joel, horse of the coarsening of the rhetoric do you attribute to president trump himself. he spoke in nevada yesterday, and we heard his litany of nicknames for other politics, how much of this do you think this is his fault, changing the way we debate one another. 100% on the president. i worked on the hillary clinton campaign in 2016. we tried to point this out. unfortunately a lot of what we got when i think secretary clinton spoke eloquently about this, she was complaining, and making excuses, and that she was being unkcouth. we saw smun that was on the track tracks coming right through america, and we re living it. this president is frankly the person that could help to elevate the dialogue if he wanted to. i don t think he cares. look at his career before he was in politics, being sued for housing discrimination, his actions around the central park 5. this is who the man is. he s told us who he is for 40 years. i think it s high time we believe them. have things like this happened to you in the past? how does it rank with out experiences on your life, have been that phrase lobbed at you in the way it was. need log to say, there s not a lot that can shock my senses. there s a lot of things that i have experienced. there s also a lot of things that fortunately because of the people who came before me i haven t had to experience. i ll just say this will be right up in the hall of shame, unfortunately. i do hope that from this people will start to think about how they re speaking to each other, how they re speaking particularly when you re talking about racially, very sensitive issues. we do start to elevate the dialogue. again, i don t want to lose sight on the fact the reason why i was on there this morning is to talk about over 2,000 children who have not seen their parents in god knows how long. we have to get those children reunited with those families. i hope this shines a light on that issue as well. you and i are having a civil back and forth, you have this echo chamber that exists now. how do you break through that? how do you convince someone like david bossie that the conversation needs to evolve. is there a mechanism for that to take place? and how problematic i m a believer that you get the government you deserve. i think that voters, we all have to decide this is not what we stand for, this is not who we are as a people, we re not going to respond to this. so i think the only way you change behavior is by creating consequences. there s a chance in about five months at the ballot box in november for not just democrats, but for all americans to send a message to this president that his behavior, his bilog is unacceptable. maybe that would set up a by 2019 and 2020 before the president has to run for reelection. how dispirited russ about the aide who made that remark about the senior senator from arizona, who remained in that job for many days after it was made. you talk about consequences. it doesn t seem like this is an administration that is levying consequences. it s incredibly disappointing. i started working in congress in 2005 at a pretty different time. it wasn t strange to be friends with republicans as a democrat and vice versa. it was a time when everything wasn t viewed as a partisan lens, for somebody to make that comment by center mccain, i respect the way he s carried himself as a public figure, that says everything you need to know about the president. it s not just what you say and who you are, but the company you keep. this president keeps company that is, at best, questionable. joel, always great to speak with you. i appreciate you taking the time after what happened today. we re going to turn back to that crisis at the border after the break, how the events unfolding could shape the 2020 presidential election. i m on the move all day long, and sometimes i don t eat the way i should. so i drink boost to get the nutrition i m missing. boost high protein now has 33% more protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. and it has a guaranteed great taste. man: boost gives me everything i need to be up for doing what i love. boost high protein. be up for it. it was always our singular focus, a distinct determination. to do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. to fight cancer. and never lose sight of the patients we re fighting for. our cancer treatment specialists share the same vision. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. specialists focused on treating cancer. using advanced technologies. and more precise treatments than before. working as hard as we can- doing all that we can- for everyone who walks through our doors. this is cancer treatment centers of america. and these are the specialists we re proud to call our own. treating cancer isn t one thing we do. it s the only thing we do. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com cancer treatment centers of america. appointments available now. need a change of scenery? 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so new york has its primary on tuesday. everybody has their eye on that particular race. it s the 11th congressional district. dan donovan is running for reelection. michael grimm running against him as a republican. and a felon. yes, he had to leave congress was he was convicted of tax fraud. he s coming back, saying he s the more pro-trump between the two of them we ve seen it ballet out where the more-trump candidate does win. we can t tell whether he will pull it off on tuesday, but it s certainly competent tis. where realize it s all about trump and where you stand. how much do you want to embrace him? we ll be watching. beth, thank you very much. up next, my conversation with the man who exposed the abuses in abu ghraib. how seemo developed his nose for news. raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of my favorite things these are a few of my favorite things - anncr: as you grow older, -your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great. when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad s got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? 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you ve been at places for a number of years and bristled and decided to move on? no, what i learned in the a.p. i got in trouble about my vietnam reporting, they we aren t telling the truth, mcnamara, et cetera. it s like my job used to be to take a dead rat full of lice and walk into a editor and say this is what i want to do. this is going to cost you a lot of money, and at the times there was money there, and i might not make it for three, four months and i m going to give us a story that will cause the government to get mad, subscribers to quit, and law firms will come at you, and there s a point where people saying get out of my office, i m tired of you. and that s what happened. it s not so much that the institutions couldn t take what i was doing, but there s a certainly point where it s just, you know, i m mr. i m always going boo-hoo hoo, the sky is falling, chicken little, and i think editors get tired of that irlgts you worked as a wire reporter, you dabbled in hollywood a bit as well. is it all the same to you? do you prefer one over the other? there s nothing better, no more fun than being a reporter and writing a story that does something useful. it s an amazing country, and you know, with we can jump up and down and all the president wants is he wants new york times to love him. that s all he wants. i told my dad i was going to be interviewing you, and i got this reply. just heard hersh on 1-a. how do you become that investigative reporter instead of like what you do? he wrote to me, from my own dad. it makes me wonder, it s fun to write about your life. as you look back on your life, how much do you ascribe to luck or the way journalism was. how difficult would it be to do the work you have done today. you know he s jesting. i hope. you know there s an answer to that question in a minute. i feel it s a life well led. a life well led. my thanks to seymour hersh. his memoir is called reporter. nfl players respond to president trump s request for input on who many he should pardon next, but their response does not include any specific names. why that is, when we come back. it. if they re agrieved, i will pardon them. i m shocked you haven t heard. maybe they called the staff, but i personally have not heard from one. a group of athlete called on him to use the clemency power on the systemic injustice that they have been protesting. tyler, let me start with you and this gambit that the president set up, have them provide him with a list of those he should part. it s a very on the thing, where they get imprompt attitude interview, and he s asking for people to be it s lewd chris, right? there are nfl players who are willing to we re going to talk about this, which is odd. it s odd, because the president has made it clear he does not care. nor the reasons why they re having this black protest, so why take the gambit if he s made it clear over the past span of a few years he doesn t care. the point they make is this would do nothing to address what they have said is driving those protests on the field form. almost like they would have an office that set, way, they do, and what he clearly wants to do is an ad hoc anecdotal process where kim kardashian reynolds someone and he gets the glory. to the nfl players credit they re not playing that game. they i do almost wonder if this was a de minimis amount of engagement if they are playing into thinks game, or committing an action that strategically helps him you know, he threatenses the south korean and then he solves the situation he created i m wondering if it s a pattern where he picks a fight and maybe just for a moment of comedy, he can say, see, i ve calmed things down. the number of inmates held on drugs charges 279,100, the most recent year which we have data. to that issue again of the root causes here what do you make of what he s saying there. that s what ses happening, he s releasing one person, so now he s doing goodwill on behalf of the people. these are players who specifically aren t protesting, who aren t doing radical acts of protest the specifically radical form and it s colin kaepernick, we re not asking him or eric reed or kenny steele, the players who are still risking their lives and job we re asking players who got 90 million, who are lobbying for bills to find be measures. we re going the safer route, but the problem is we re getting and when you miss the protest, because we need a radical moment to so the entire world that black people need to stop being killed. it s as simple as that, but now we re doing a dance that the president has often doing when it comes this has a white whale for this president. he s tweeted about it, and you ve dedetected some unease in a way that he has. how dodds this continuing as we head into next season. do you expect that the president will be as involved as he has been. the whale killed ahab. the president might be wrong, but if you asked him, he would think it s going as i wanted it. i used america s dominant force and somehow twisted that to my own ends and got my supporters upset at nfl players. as tyler is saying, these guys who i have a lot of respect for, they are not the players on the radical edge of protesting. eric reid is a great player who is not getting re-signed, because he did take a need. i love malcolm jenkins, he never took a knee. what he did take, he does take almost $90 million from nfl owners to do some community outreach. so i think that trump probably thinking he s winning in all this. he is winning, one of the biggest policy was attack beautiful black protests consistently. if he can disinvite the eagles make his own version of patriotism, what is it that s stopping him to change how politics are, shifting against these athlete. what s to stop him from winning. thanks to both of you. we hope we can continue the conforms. we ll be right back. but i reall. i m on the move all day long, and sometimes i don t eat the way i should. so i drink boost to get the nutrition i m missing. boost high protein now has 33% more protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. and it has a guaranteed great taste. man: boost gives me everything i need to be up for doing what i love. boost high protein. be up for it. while meningitis b is uncommon, about 1 in 10 infected will die. like millions of others, your teen may not be vaccinated against meningitis b. meningitis b strikes quickly. be quick to talk to your teen s doctor about a meningitis b vaccine.
them. so if you go back ten or 20 years and add it all up, its massive amounts of money that the united states has paid and stuffed up like nobody. this has gone on for decades by the way, many presidents, but no other president brings it up like i brought it up. many have complained about it. many have singled out germany for criticism because they are an economic powerhouse. they accuse them of funneling billions of dollars to russia even though they saw protection from the military from us. president trump: billions and billions of dollars are being paid to the country that is supposed to be protecting you. everyone is talking about it all over the world. well we are supposed to be protecting her from russia but why are you paying billions of dollars to russia for energy? why are the countries in nato, mainly germany, having a large percentage of the energy paid to russia and if you look at it, germany is the capital of russia. despite looking at the american team, they look around and say, this is a little different. other networks were horrified, especially this place called msnbc. former nato investor nicholas burns made claims that it is or will he and for the president to say exactly what he thinks. it s infuriating to watch this happen. you can t imagine any american president all the way back 75 years, deciding to become the critic and chief of nato. it s orwellian. it s infuriating to see this happen, diplomatic malpractice. meanwhile, hours after the president s comments, the u.s. house, and president s remarks were controversial to some but, were they wrong? lou dobbs, star of the lou dobbs show, and i believe that s exactly who i m looking at right now from fox business. he just completed his show and therefore gets time and a half. you are all about dollars and cents. i know you are watching fox and friends this morning, which was primetime for the president s remarks. so tell me, or are you okay with his tone, tenor and tactics? i think that every american ought to be thrilled with what the president did in brussels. he talked straight to the leaders of europe and told them, it s time to start making sense, telling stoltenberg at the head of nato, you can t just b.s. your way through another summit meeting and look for a joint communiqué that says everything s fine because it isn t. 24 countries are not meeting excuse me, there are 23 countries that are not meeting the other 2% of gdp requirements for national defense. they are depending on the united states. it s that straightforward. and germany is the among the worst offenders among them and is the most egregious in its trade imbalances. it has run trade surpluses, get ready for this one, 467 years. good lord. brian: so a couple things. number one the president is ticked off at germany in particular because they put the hubbub of this gas line right through germany and pass european nations that burned a threat from russia and they didn t seem to care. what are the explanations by the germany current secretary laws, listening. in 2002, russia was different then. they become somewhat belligerent so they are stuck with this dea deal. can you put the ratchets down and unscrew the pipeline and maybe change the tactics? and we have this thing called oil and gas, too, don t we lou? wouldn t it be reliable by us? it would and a host of other countries. it would also be very helpful to foreign policy goals in that region. but the reality here is, the germans haven t lost their free will. they are following their leader. and angela merkel has decided that there is not much difference between a socialist of germany, and the communist of russia. and she and hooton, despite her rhetoric, and have a rather amicable relationship. and gerhardt schroeder is the head of the new pipeline that is bypassing the ukraine, among other countries and going straight and it directly to the heart of germany. isn t that a cozy relationship? so if you were vladimir putin, what you would like to see is a breakup or friction in nato. we are having our arguments in public, like we always do, at home and overseas. i think he s far happier about chuck schumer and nancy pelosi who are defending and the deal with russia. and that advantage rests with hooton and the west. this is immaterial to him, the little nonsense from stoltenberg and the nato nations. trump is talking seriously about the simple nicety is prevent him from talking the truth. yes, $64 billion in the next five years over their collective defense. they have talked about changing tactics, so those are positives and president trump is given credit for doing that and changing things. so, the same as president bush complaints. no one complains about seeing lou dobbs on at 8:00 on the fox news channel. lou, just please invoice me and leave it on my desk so we can have this settled. as you wish to come up the same place and the same address, and the same amount i suppose, but at time and a half. thanks so much. that was lou dobbs. president trump is getting nato allies to spend more on their own defense. if i sense that was just a bit of pie-in-the-sky that could only be meant to counter russia anyway. somehow in the democrats and the rest, doll trump is a vladimir putin agent somehow. it s so upsetting to see that prudent, was number one goal is to divide the west, particularly with nato has an american president doing his work for him. everyone wonders why the president is so nice to the scoundrel, this this belief. one wonders about that, is it related to the russia investigation and everything else? he could not be doing hooton s bidding more effectively if he were an active agent of vladimir putin and the kgb. all right, david tolle for he is a lawyer and advisor to president barack obama s campaign. sometimes these nato summits are relatively sleepy. we have to be reminded sometimes on air on fox & friends in the morning cup we have to take a shot of the president walking out and shaking hand. hands. not this time. nato is not perfect but it s the most important alliance that we are part of. in the 70 years it has been in place not one nato member has been invaded and that s really important. also when we were attacked on 9/11, it was nato that stepped up and helped us invoke article five. nato is so important to us and president trump is not doing the work to basically state that. he can stay productive criticisms of nato but also could acknowledge how important it is for the security framework. of those who have criticisms are right. and that helps defeat the warsaw pact. that was the soviet bloc led alliance. and that s also super important. now exactly what putin and russia want is for nato to be weak, to be broken apart. trump is in essence helping hooton do that by openly criticizing nato, by being very difficult and hard on nato, instead of coming up with productive criticisms. david, you have a good point if it was over now. if this was the end of his four or eight year term, he would say president trump was negative on nato. they are getting them to spend more, they are focused on cyber terror. you know in the last year and a half, they have come up with a 30 day quick action plan on land, sea and air in order to strike back against the russian threat that didn t really exist seven or eight years ago? and the head of nato even cited donald trump is given credit for pushing this type of change. could you just also possibly sit back and say, maybe doing something a little different might get us better results? you are right that the head of nato gave trump some credit and trump deserve some credit. but let s take this in context. remember that the obligation to spend 2% of your gdp upon your defense came in 2014. and most of the countries that have not yet met that are not actually in violation of that agreement. that s important to note. but trump s right to push those countries. trump should be more creative in his discussion, instead of just harping on the failure to pay the full 2%, he should talk about how each country should participate more effectively in the types of things they should be spending long. you re spending is not good enough for us. we need strategic spending, the type of spending that will help push back our enemies, the terrorists, and push back and be able worth to vladimir putin and russia. he doesn t talk about those things and a good leader would be doing that right now. brian: you are always love you levelheaded, coming from obama s perspective and i get that but you are always level headed. are you calling him out, because other eastern european nations are upset by it and are kind of thing, mr. president of the united states, good job. do you understand that might be a benefit to pushing germany to actually speaking, asking for defense, and also not going to bed with russia? on the energy deal between germany and russia come trump s right to criticize germany. others have criticized germany for that, also and that is not new. i m not sure that s why he brought it up in such a provocative way today. it s also important to note that jeremy doing that deal with russia does create some interdependence on the part of russia as well. russia now will need those payments from germany. so germany will have some additional leverage over russia. i would prefer that russia is getting some gas from other sources and of course, that would be better. david, it was great to have you on. meanwhile, colonel douglas mount mcgregor served as director of operations and center for allied europe. he served there during the 1999 kosovo campaign and he wrote that book called margin of victory. colonel mcgregor joins us now. we have nato bases, from a military perspective, there hasn t been a invasion and nato is beginning to change its objective. who would have thought it would have been in afghanistan having a cyber unit to it? can you see the positive impact the president is making? president s impact is being positive from the outside. he s delivering a message that is at least two decades overdue. the europeans have been essentially and joint defense cost free from the most part, and we bring the balance of the military power and provide the command and control. without us, there is frankly no nato and he was absolutely right to talk about germany. it s not simply a question of funding in germany, germany effectively has no armed forces anymore. the forces in germany are hopelessly demoralized. they said hey guys, we have a budget. no germans signed up. that s only part of the problem. the larger problem is that the germans think celeste don t feel obligated to defend themselves and the president simply said, look, why should the american taxpayer defend you if you are not willing to defend yourself? there is this thing called article three in the nato treaty that says each country can build adequate defenses for itself. they are not doing it. the polls are right and they have asked repeatedly for the last several years, where is the german army? because defense of europe is frankly possible frankly possible. brian: when the ball fell, they seemed more dedicated to nato than the old western nations, why is that? that s an easy question and there is an easy answer. if anyone in the world who has lived under russian app occupation including germans who live in the former territory of east germany or the german democratic republic doesn t want to repeat the experience. these people want to be desperately aligned with us for their own interests so that they can protect themselves against what they view as an inevitable russian attempt to regain control of their countries. by the way, there is a lot of evidence to support their contention. the problem is, warfare has changed. we can t permanently station troops in poland. if we did, they would be killed in the first strike site launched in the early iris of any intervention. we can t be the first responder, and the president knows that. he wants to support them, he wants to reinforce them but he wants them to be your own first responder. brian: i m getting to the rap signal through my ear. but real quick, people getting upset saying the president is nicer to vladimir putin then he is around allies, don t you think it s a matter of you expect more from her friends, family and neighbors then you do if your rivals/enemies? maybe. but i think the president is looking for the opportunity to treat russia as a permanent enemy in eastern europe. so i think people should welcome that. brian: although they have done nothing to deserve that type of openness. they ve been belligerent and provocative and meddled in our election. great to see you. let me tell you what s coming up straight ahead over the next 44 minutes. up next, the left meltdown over trump s immigration policies is continuing but are they going where voters don t want them to go? a new poll suggests that is indeed the case. i will share that with you, i promise. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don t think you should be rushed into booking one. that s why we created expedia s add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. had a little incident witht kia moped in bermuda.e. oh. even with insurance, we had to dip into our 401(k) and it set us back a little bit. sometimes you don t have a choice. but it doesn t mean you guys can t get back on track. great. great. yeah. no judgment. just guidance. td ameritrade. with advil liqui-gels, what bad shoulder? what headache? advil is relief that s fast strength that lasts you ll ask. what pain? with advil liqui-gels brian: a torrent of outrage over the president s immigration policy virtually never stops. this is the worst case of child abuse, child neglect, child mistreatment that you could imagine, but it is america s government doing it. you could call it either incompetence or evil but i would suggest it could be both, that there is an evil desire to deter by making an example of these people. the pictures of the cruelty of this administration is delivered a part of this. their core supporters want anyone darker than a latte deported. brian: a very goal. although representatives from 140 countries have gone through the borders of the last three years, according to the active director of i.c.e. that just retired. now on the left there is growing agreement that i.c.e. should be abolished, the legislation is moving through the house. what is the public on board? a new political poll shows only 25% of americans want ice gone. what does john summers think? after all he was communication director for former majority leader harry reid. how do you stand with someone, and hand it that s not where the majority of the leadership and the democratic party is. that s not where that a majority of the candidates and other elected officials and credit party are. i think you have some people who are doing your best to advocate their position and you believe the majority of those districts stand for. and if i made an omelette using two eggs and a slice of cheese, and decided i wanted to scramble it, it s still going to taste the same. it s just presented differently, and that is what would happen if you abolish ice with this administration. the majority of the people on all sides of the aisle agree that we have to protect our borders but we have to do it in a way that also respects american values. the majority of values want immigration reform and for the majority of the time they want to go immigration to increase. there s opportunity here and oftentimes that refurbishes and rekindles imagination and fire throughout american history. but john in particular if you are a leader on that side and you have the c act 28-year-old that has a lot of charisma and she s saying abolish ice and senator kamala harris is saying abolish ice, she may not be the leader but she certainly looks presidential and charismatic. do you as a leader have to rein them in and say this is not the message for us to be successful in november? it s the message they have to tell in their districts if that s what they need to say to win and not the position they truly believe in. i think it s great that we have candidates that are coming up that are speaking the truth to power and hopefully being honest with the people they want to represent. it doesn t work always for a national messaging thing that all politics are local anyway. so whenever you talk about one party or another not having a consistent message, it doesn t matter. what matters is what these people are talking about locally and they are representing issues in a way that respects the beliefs of the people they represent. one thing that is not given enough credit is that the i.c.e. agents make about $60,000 per year. they go outside and they are being protested against, people are found going in front of the acting director s house and protesting in front of his or her house, and how unfair is it? they are just enforcing the laws that are on the books. the fact is law enforcement should get a lot more respect than they do and they all deserve a pay raise frankly. they are following the orders from the commander in chief. these are the policies that are set forward by the president of the united states and he is the one that is forcing them to go out there into these terrible things and tearing away babies from the nursing mothers and that sort of things. brian: they do not take babies from nursing mothers. absolutely. brian: you had me until then. you should run for office because i like your approach. john summers, thank you. i think he said thank you under his breath. 24 minutes after the hour, and up next to lisa page s refused to appear before congress today. and what about peter strzok? 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[ claps hands ] ooh i m not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! we ll make heaven a place on earth yeah! oh, my angels! ooh, heaven is a place on earth [ sobs quietly ] brian: a former fbi lawyer lisa page was supposed to testify before congress today but, instead she defied a congressional subpoena by declining to appear. republicans in congress are considering holding page in contempt, and they can do that. meanwhile the president tweeted this. ex-fbi lawyer lisa page defied a house issued subpoena to testify before congress! but was anyone surprised? together with her lover peter strzok she worked on the witch hunt on the most tainted and corrupt case ever. joe did joe digenova worked wie president s finest. he joins us now. she said, i just got a chance to see the paperwork at about 3:00 yesterday. i either rekindle my security clearance because i had resigned. you can t expect me to know all the stuff in just a few hours. lisa page is going to come and if she testifies she is going to lie. it s the only way she can possibly explain the text messages between her, peter strzok and the other people and the fbi. this is a pretty simple case. notwithstanding the idiotic conclusions of the inspector general, michael horowitz, who said that all of these texts, not withstanding the bias and animus that they showed for the current president of the united states, there was no evidence that bias painted any prosecutorial decisions. let me just say this, and that would tell me the inspector general was idiotic. the bias and animus against the president of the united states and affected every single decision about the russian probe and it affected every single decision about the hillary clinton probe in her favor. brian: joe, do you think we got all the text? no i don t think we got all the texts and i think he has admitted that. and why isn t christopher wray trying to find out where those texts are? and why can t they find fbi employee text messages? what do you think, chris, do you want to wake up from her sleep? christopher wray used his time of the press conference to praise the fbi in general. i found his press conference totally insulting and his press conference as if he had no culpability. he should be more outraged than even you, because this is an agency he now heads. ask yourself this question. why isn t he outraged? the answer is very simple. chris wray and rob rosenstein are careerists. they believe that the bureau and the department of justice people and even under barack obama could do no wrong, and if they did do wrong it s worth saving them and not having them pilloried in public because these institutions are too important. nonsense. these institutions are too important not to have the truth come out. we need all of these facts. where is chris wray? what is he doing? he s on a milk carton for heaven sakes. brian: went missing but not taking an active role. it will be a day in which we at least get to watch peter strzok tomorrow. inevitably he comes off smug and self-assured and looks of his lawyer along with the tough questions get tough. sounds like rosenstein. brian: all right, here we go. there are one of the men that will be questioning tomorrow, congressman john ratcliffe. i always like safe. people with oversight have a chance to question peter strzok. so lisa page congressman thomas doesn t show up today. zig made her an offer, show up tomorrow or show up by friday. tell me about this. we had a lot of discussion about how to handle her failure to comply with a congressional subpoena. ultimately she will get three bites of the apple. she had one bite today, we invited her to appear with peter strzok tomorrow. if she doesn t do that, she can appear friday morning for a transcribed interview or deposition and, if she doesn t appear before our committee by 10:00 p.m. on friday then at 10:30 a.m. we will move forward with with holding her in contempt. it s going to be interesting, i did some early research. that looks like 20 times since 1988 that congress has issued subpoenas that have not been satisfied and 20 times they have issued threats of contempt charges. if she does not show up this week are you guys going to follow through? i certainly hope so, brian. my stated intention is to do that. i think that redlines as we have seen with this president need to be enforced. it s the one tool that we have had to compel people to appear and give us the truth and allow us to conduct our congressional oversight. so i am certainly going to recommend that she be held in contempt, and if she doesn t appear i certainly hope she appears, but the matter would be referred and she will be prosecuted. brian: peter strzok went behind closed doors for us to know he s going in public. without giving up what happened over there, can you give me an idea of his approach and what we should all expect on thursday? there will be a lot of drama tomorrow. he s a very important witness and everyone can see that. he s one of the few people that was at the center of all three of the highest profile investigations in recent times. the hillary clinton email letter and some of the russian investigation and the special counsel probe. it is going to be a lot of focus tomorrow, brian, on text messages. you will hear a lot of four letter words because he and lisa page used just about every four little four-letter word in the book to describe president trump. peter strzok will not say those things tomorrow, you will deny they are hateful or reflect bias and he will certainly deny that they influenced his official conduct. i was with him for 11 hours last week and i didn t find his explanations for those text messages to be believable or credible. but the good news is american people can make up their own mind tomorrow and they will be a lot at stake. brian: if i don t know why robert mueller doesn t care more. why doesn t he off-ramp that investigation like nike off-ramp michael cohen? or should he be offended because once his agency headed up through two administrations and bathe the fbi look terrible. and he should be outraged. i agree with that completely, brian. in other than peter strzok, bob mueller and the special counsel team has more at stake than anyone with his testimony tomorrow because peter strzok was the one that, for the first nine months, gathered all the evidence and made all the investigations decisions that we came the and if he acted inappropriate, then mueller has a problem. meanwhile a liberal professor is under assault because he dared to praise judge kavanaugh. can you believe it? you ve got a good record and liberty mutual won t hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. you hear that, karen? liberty mutual doesn t hold grudges. how mature of them! for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise their rates because of their first accident. liberty mutual insurance. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. from football games to reunions, or just a break from the office. these $69 one-way sale fares are ready to make your september and october a whole lot better. book now at southwest.com. low fares. no hidden fees. that s transfarency. brian: i have to tell you this story. if you have a liberal law professor, a very esteemed and he s being ripped right now for writing an op-ed about supreme court nominee brett cavanaugh. kavanaugh. he was happy after the nomination was announced and he wrote a piece titled the liberal case for kavanaugh and called him qualified. in response, many have been savaging him. slate called his article complete. gq called it something that we can t air. professor, you knew when you wrote this that you would get some blowback. did you expect something like that? maybe it was a little more than i expected but it comes with the territory. i love the fact that this country has a robust, uninhabited, uninhibited debate. i would love that it it was sometimes less personal but ours is a wonderful democracy. why do you think someone that has been labeled a perfect judge by conservatives would do a good job on the supreme court? because i think that a great judge is open-minded and changes his or her mind sometimes and i think i ve seen those virtues in kavanaugh. he s a scholar of the constitution and a great justice in particular because the supreme court focuses on constitutional issues and i think brett kavanaugh has studied the constitution deeply. i think he is a person of good character and he has been willing to admit that he has made mistakes in the past. an experienced person has made mistakes, and a really good judge or leader learns from those mistakes. brian: it so you when you use the chuck schumer declares going to be the end of roe v. wade and freedom of expression with things like this. what do you say to this? and the justice in this case got it right. i should remind the audience that brett kavanaugh clerked for anthony kennedy. i admire them both and there are actually some similarities. justice kennedy was a staunch believer in free states, speech, whether it is of a conservative sort or citizens united or a liberal sort or the right to burn a flag. i think he was right and both of those cases and i think that brett kavanaugh is a staunch believer in freedom of expression. brian: even jeffrey toobin said, no one can say is not qualified. if you are going to vote no, you tell democrats on the eighth, publicly name to better candidates with whom president trump would have realistically nominated. that s what got under people s skin. why does that work for you? the audience should know that i supported mayor garland, i voted for hillary clinton. the way our constitution is set up is the process in which the president nominates and the senate confirms. that s where one party controls both the presidency and the senate as a practical matter, and has given us a list of people that are strongly considered. if he picks someone else off the list, who is better, i can t think of anyone or tell why it s an inadequate list. it s simple, and i m sorry you are getting this backlash but welcome to our world. thanks so much for your time. thank you. in 17 minutes before the top of the hour. nfl owners put a stop to the protest in may but now players are taking action to protect their right to take a knee. we will bring you the latest on that story, next. keeping this tookus safe and protected. you can get comfortable doing the same with yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it. no mathere are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. call one today. are you in good hands? player. these guys don t seem to get it. they are branding themselves as unpatriotic in a sport that since pete roselle in the 1960s has branded itself as over patriotic. this is completely off-brand and off the business model that the nfl has established for itself and its players. it is bad business. if these guys want to protest, there are six other days in the week. there are 21 other hours on sunday for them to do that. when you are playing in the nfl, your goal is to make as much money as humanly possible for playing a dangerous game and then take that money and support whatever causes you believe in. this is so crystal-clear i have no idea what those guys are thinking. so you know right now i have no problem with what the nfl data, and that they didn t consult with the union. 61% supported with roger goodell s league data, and i will take the other side. mostly white owners, mostly white fans, why don t you stand for the national anthem. mostly black players, they say they want to protest the what s wrong in society, why won t you listen to me? my father was a small businessman and the customer is always right when you go into business. so you have to please your customer base. this isn t about how a handful of players and how they feel. i will push back. i want the head of the players union to pull the 1700 nfl players. how many of them want to kneel during the national anthem and want to continue this fight? i don t think it s the majority. and why is the union, are you out supporting what 100 or less players want as opposed to what the 15 or 1600 other players want done. they should not be a priority because there is not that many nfl players that want to see this happen. brian: if you are just talking hyperbole but the numbers don t lie. the average holocaust telecastt 14 million users this year. you are definitely chipping at the edges, my hope is they get together and, unified like the nba did years ago. thanks so much for staying up for us. thank you, brian. meanwhile, 9 minutes before we are done and tucker is back right after the break. increasingly people are having their lives are ruled by social media moms. greg gutfeld had something to say about that and i put that he s saying he s gonna score a bunch of three-pointers on you. yeah, we ball til we fall. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? she s saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes. by america s largest mortgage lender. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don t think you should be rushed into booking one. that s why we created expedia s add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. brian: for decades americans feared that the government would invade their privacy and destroy their lives but it turns out we didn t need the government for that thanks to the spread of smartphones and social media any moment, any day. they could find themselves targeted online by some sort of mob. greg gutfeld cohosts the got field so and he did a very good job writing this column on social media redemption. he recently joined tucker, and i taped it. this is what i thought came from a great headline. remember when government was big brother and big brother is us, we happily have embraced the role as our nation s hall monitors and our nations policemen, and social media triggers these two evolutionary processes. at one to stand out, and seo go on social media to gain attention so you can get a partner, it s ingrained in your head. the other thing is the survival mechanism, group survival. if you can find somebody and eject them, like a group or sacrifice, you save yourself. this is something you are not even aware that you are doing, but we are on social media and you see someone screw up and you just join the mob. it s an evolutionary process to save yourself. i think about all these people, if you have a bad day, if you happen to have a bad day and someone gets you on tape, god help you. in my article, when i wrote that, i was thinking about, with my parents have survived back in the day on social media as parents? you didn t have a lot of stuff to entertain kids with. there were three tv channels. you had lousy roller stakes, he didn t wear helmets. your parents were somatic, they would get really mad at their kids and spank them because he almost killed yourself. you were always worried about well of course. he s swat your kids in safeway now and you are in trouble. you are totally right. my mom would have been a meme. so social media, cruelty, it has degraded the society. it has made people lonely or actually, so what do you do? what is the redemption from this? i hate to use the word collective but it takes a collective action to decide that you are not going to be part of the mob. it s a moment it s a pause, when you are online and you see somebody that you don t like. it s really important that you don t like the person screwing up. let s say it s joy behar or joy reid or anyone named joy. what if you just decided not to? what if you decided not to demand that they be fired? these may not be reciprocated, i know it won t be. tucker, if you are nice online or i m nice online, it s not like media matters is going to do the same to us. if you are totally right. it begins with our self restraint. actually, will you come back on for christmas? i remind myself of this every time i turn on the laptop and i think, don t be a jerk. once you get online you are a lesser version of you, never a better version. that is very smart. greg gutfeld, thank you for that. greg does not have to wait for christmas, greg will be back tomorrow with dana perino in this week s final exam. you never get that type of talent. dena is very talented but greg is obviously not. that s it for us tonight. i have good news for you, tomorrow you can see me in a
his son to cancel the meeting. he did not tell the fbi about the meeting. and if anything, he further encouraged and emboldened the russians to hack, because he went out just about a month and a half after the meeting and said, russia, if you re listening, which years ago from today, as you pointed out, you would be rewarded for hacking hillary clinton s e-mails. michael avenatti, after, represents stormy daniels said michael cohen has far more incriminating things about the president. i demanded release of all trump tapes and stated at the time there were multiple recordings and we know there are indeed over 100 recordings seized. this information on the trump tower meeting is not the best information michael cohen has. issure you of that. start with kelly o donnell. not far from where the president is spending the weekend at his bedminster resort. good morning. the president refused to answer questions on camera about michael cohen and that infamous meeting at trump tower with the russian lawyer. still, we keep asking what did he know and when did he know it? reporter: these are persistent questions, alex, and the president commented in his own way but not engaged with reporters when we have been asking about this issue. it is important in understanding what the president s knowledge was, what his role may have been, what the intentions were when that meeting in 2016 was taken, and the fact that the stories have changed over time, and once considered an ally, michael cohen now appears to be squarely in the camp of being a threat to the president. but there s credibility issues all around. which one of the figures in this is to be believed? now, this comes at a time when the president also has other things on this mind like the economy, and improved numbers there, and the campaign trail. with all of this russia investigati did. reporter: referring to friction the president caused with nato leaders after demanding they boost defense spending. friday, for the first time, the president shared a national security council meeting on election interference, but notably, the official statement did not mention russia. his administration will not tolerate foreign interference in you are 0 elections from any nation state or other malicious actors. the president refused questions ten times this week. mr. president, sir, is michael cohen lying? reporter: after news his former attorney, michael cohen, is prepared to tell authorities that mr. trump was aware that russians offered to bring dirt on hillary clinton to a trump tower meeting with donald trump jr. in 2016. mr. president, did you know about the meeting at trump tower? reporter: but his only response has come on twitter. i did not know of the meeting with my son, don junior. then suggests a motive for cohen under investigation. sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jab. amid the controversy, the white house is celebrating. new signs the economy is thriving. we re on track to hit the highest annual average growth rate in over 13 years. reporter: and, alex, sometimes there is just the unusual situation of two figures well known being in a space where you might not expect them and that happens from time to time at washington s reagan national airport and on friday politico captured an image showing special counsel robert mueller waiting in gate 35x. a number of different destinations in the same location in the waiting area. so robert mueller seated there in the lower left frame and in the upper right side of that frame, that s the president s son donald trump jr. also waiting for a flight. the two men did not interact but of course, their lives very much interconnected over the last year and a half since mueller took over the investigation and all of these new questions surfaced about what did donald trump jr. know? had he been fully disclosing information to the congressional committees? is he in sort of the the p purview of the special counsel? imagine waiting for your flight to take off that says so much about what s happening in washington. what i would give to be that lady sitting directly across from mueller. are these guys even acknowledging each other? quite something. anyway reporter: yes. we chuckle now. thank you so much, kelly. see you again. bring in brian bennett, senior white house correspondent for time and nbc news digital reporter. gentlemen, good saturday morning to you. a source telling nbc news that michael cohen is certainly ready to tell robert mueller then candidate trump new in advance about his son s 2016 meeting with russians at trump tower. of course, this contradicts both the president and donald trump jr. and his testimony. brian, if it s true, what does this mean for the mueller investigation? it means a lot, and already rudy giuliani is out there trying to take down the credibility of michael cohen, and what s interesting is when a prosecutor like robert mueller has a cooperating witness, and if michael cohen decides to cooperate fully with prosecutors, it s more than just what he has to say. so he may say he recalls president trump knowing about the june 2016 meeting, but he also may know a lot of details about where prosecutors can look for communications, as we know, there may be some recordings of conversations that could refer back to that. there could be other pieces of evidence that michael cohen knows about that he could tell prosecutors, and so it s not just his word against theirs. it could also be other pieces of Alex Witt hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. evidence. for instance, donald trump jr. called an unlisted number shortly after that meeting. get cell phone numbers leading to donald trump himself would be very strong evidence. brian, the president verbally silent, publicly speaking. you go to twitter and in a tweet says cohen is trying to make up stories to get himself out of an unrelated jam. different than the tone when the pr president called cohen a great guy. can you make heads or tails what this looks like? estranged now and unlikely to ever come back. michael cohen has turned on the president. he has in public actively is trying to undermine the president s story on this, and those tweets are really significant, because the president has put in black and white on the record what his version of events is, and there s no going back from that. that is incredibly significant. i d note right now. you can see the weather in bedminster is incredibly good. in the 80s, sunny. significant. the president will be golfing, distracted. the last time the president sent a rainy weekend in bedminster, more than a year ago in april, and he decided to fire jim comey when he came back to washington after that. so it s significant, i think, that the president will be in bedminster on a sunny weekend where he can be out golfing and not stewing and watching reports about the russia investigation, as you know, probably make time to put out tweets. usually does that before he hits the golf links as he s done the last couple of weekends. look at robert mueller, alex, right now combing through the president s tweets. what about those relative to attorney general jeff sessions? how does that factor into it? the way he s slammed him on twitter? right. robert mueller is looking for, building an obstruction of justice case. the key with an obstruction of justi justice, you have to prove intept. challenging. it s not a smoking gun. you have to establish a pattern of facts. that s what robert mueller will be trying to do with these tweets. jeff sessions, trump almost specifically threatens him. if i had known he would have recused himself i would never have appointed him, and trump threatening sessions to drop the witch-hunt into the presidential election. the president is his boss. you could make the case this is trump trying to pressure his subordinate to drop an investigation into the president. can we pull up that picture once again from politico? this dca, reagan terminal 35x. have either of you been there, and if you have, would it be possible to not know. it s small. cramped, right? would you not know somebody else who is potentially boarding the same plane, these two it s possible if you re absorbed in whatever you re reading and didn t look up to see as people came in and out. but it is not it s not a large space, but because of a lot of flights depart from there a lot of people do go through. an amazing terminal. sort of like a green room from outside a cable news show. people from all walks of washington go through there and often there s curious interactions that happen in that terminal. oh, yeah. especially after events like white house correspondents dinners and things like that. alex, you want to weigh in on this? i ve spent too much time at that gate. brief eye contact and in a split second agreed to pretend they didn t see each other. fully aware they were in public and any interaction would be a big public scenants an interesting reaction to this picture. thank you for weighing in. appreciate it. coming up next, suspicions about that trump tower meeting. and in the dark. how even the secretary of state appears to have little idea what exactly happened in that trump-putin private powwow. senator, i understand the game that you re playing, again. no, no. mr. secretary, with all due respect, i don t appreciate you characterizing my questions. my questions are to get to the truth. 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guarantee you, this guy is a proven liar. the president s credibility is not at issue. he didn t know about it. i know that. i ve been over this in great detail. i ve talked to the corroborating witnesses. this guy is walking into a trap. the president s lawyer there reacting to reports that michael cohen claims the president new beforehand and approved of that infamous trudge ptower meeting offering dirt on hillary clinton. a former cia officer joins me, 28-year veteran, in fact, of the national clandestine service, served in moss cows in t the moscow in the 1990s. big welcome to you. you have long held that the trump tower meeting was not trump jr. because he s already testified under oath about this? seems so to me. i m not legal expert. there s been a pattern of lies, lies, lies or cover-ups. that s obviously where legal investigators are going to look. from the outside, there was certainly a willingness and a welcome desire to collaborate and collude with anybody to help them against the hillary clinton campaign. and is that why you say that this was not an innocent meeting? that they were trying to get dirt on hillary clinton? i mean, it wasn t all about adoptions, we later found out not true in the claim. why is it you think it was you know, not an above board meeting? for a couple reasons. one is, when a foreign power steals information from american citizens and provides it to you, the right thing to do is go to your lawyers, your security people, go to the fbi. but is it possible that the trump team was too knew eve to know that and do it? people suggested this team couldn t even have pulled off corroboration, that naive and inept? still doesn t make it right, however, it s a good point and possible donald trump jr. was that naive and that inept, but not possible paul manafort was that naive and inept. he s worked in that cesspool of russian collaboration, collaboration of russian cooperation, mafia intelligence overlap and would have definitely known what happened, and they had months and months of other contacts and things following that they could have in some fashion reported this. how does this differ from traditional op-o research? you ve heard the defense, everybody does this. you try to get opposition research on your candidate, merely because of the foreign entity involvement? yeah. i don t know much about opposition research and that certainly makes sense, but when a hostile foreign power, who whose soul foreign policy goal is to hurt the united states steals american citizens documents and offers them to you you have to have if you re of any common sense or a patriot or any ethics have to look into that before you jump. part of this problem is, it goes to the fact that i think people have become so partisan now they see their political enemies as real enemies, and, therefore, actual foreign enemies that can help them, they re willing to sort of work with them to take down their political enemies. we really are in a bad place if that becomes sort of the standard operating procedure. okay. i want to get to the president s hil cin helsinki meeting. talking at the senate foreign relations committee hearing this week. take a listen. a number of conversations with president trump about what transpired in the meeting and present when he and president putin gave a synopsis what took place. speak with sergey lavrov, i have a pretty complete understanding of what took place in that meeting. did you speak to the translator at that meeting? i haven t. did the president tell you that he discussed relaxing russia sanctions or not? yes or not. they are entitled to have private meetings. i m telling you what u.s. policy is. does it sound pompeo got most of his information just like the rest of us russian readouts and what s your thought on that if you agree? i do agree and feel bad for him. he s trying to walk that tightrope of loyalty to the president and also lack of access of information what the president talked about. it s clear to all of us president trump really doesn t understand what his policy is and doesn t explain things well about what happened. mike pompeo who has to defend the administration probably went to president trump and got the same word sale we all got and is trying to make something out of it. in the government we usually have what we call an olive government approach. big foreign policies, everybody has to be moving in the same direction. the problem with this administration is, there seems to be a,eneder the president policy and then whatever the president happens to say. trying to square those two things is really hard. can i ask you your thoughts on the fact that vladimir putin has invited president trump to moscow? the president s apparent willingness to accept? hasn t done it yet, but do you have concerns about that? if the president goes to moscow for a meeting? i have concerns about it but i think probably everybody in president trump s administration also has concerns about it. i don t think anybody under him supported the helsinki summit. and now they ve seen what came out of it, they certainly don t want a replay of that anytime soon. president trump seems to have his own sort of game going. sort of likes to stick his finger in the eye of everybody and it s the george costanza foreign policy. do the opposite of what everybody else wants to do here. it doesn t make any sense and vladimir putin knows that very well and understands the partisanship here and that every time he throws out something it s going to have us all feeding on each other. he can just keep throwing these things out and trump will mischaracterize it or, yes, or no, and then eat each other up a couple weeks and do it again in a month. out of time. quickly, can i ask, any suspicion or concern the helsinki meeting could have been taped by vladimir putin? would that be typical standard operating procedure? i think you certainly he would try to do that. it was in the presidential administration building there. it would be unlikely, and they don t need to. president putin can sort of say whatever he wants to say in that meeting and cause trouble for us over here. thanks so much. good to talk to you. thank you. open warfare. up next, the pivotal moments that convinced michael cohen to go to battle with the president. sweat the details. noticing what most will never notice. it s what you do. when the thing you re making. isn t a thing. it s your reputation. the all-new ram 1500. comfortably, the most luxurious truck in its class. and why more people are switching to ram than ever before. sharper vision, without limits. days that go from sun up to sun down. a whole world in all its beauty. three innovative technologies for our ultimate in vision, clarity, and protection. together in a single lens. essilor ultimate lens package. purchase the essilor ultimate lens package and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. essilor. better sight. better 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the president no longer cared about his flight, becoming furious when giuliani commented on some of his accounts. do you think he s turned against the president all because of a soured relationship? i think, alex, you ve hit on the central question. the soured relationship is really worrisome to michael cohen, but there are two parts to that. first, remember the raid on michael cohen s home, his apartment and his office? that raid seized a lot of information, and criminal investigators are looking at michael for reasons that have nothing to do with donald trump. in addition to looking at whether or not he played an illegal role in trump s campaign. but separate and apart from all of the drama about trump, michael cohen has serious problems that have to do with potential bank fraud, and that s wearing on him. he is very concerned and has told many of his colleagues and associates that he expected to be arrested any day, and he wanted some sign from the president, some, if not promise, some indirect signal that he was going to protect him, and potentially pardon him for the things in which he has very, very much exposed. okay. i m curious. go ahead. experts are saying the release of the recording that cohen put out there could end up hurting him? because it s infuriating not just the president but prosecutors as well. so ultimately cohen s emotions. might they have gotten the better of him, or do you think this is part of a bigger strategy we can t see yet? so clearly, one of the pieces of the early strategy was to say, president trump, i love you. i care about you, but i have some bad things to say about you. i have information that could be damaging to you. and when there was no love shown or no commitment shown, that got michael cohen quite concerned, according to people close to him. as for whether there s a larger strategy. we can t know what else michael cohen has in his, i want to say bag of tricks, but that s too flip. we can t know all the things he might have and recordings and e-mails still to be released. however, you re absolutely right, alex. his initial salvo doesn t seem that smart, because prosecutors with whom he ultimately has to make some kind of plea agreement, with whom he ultimately has to negotiate, are not going to be pleased by this kind of behavior. sharing evidence that s not been entered into the public record. making claims publicly and on cnn and the washington post rather than in a quiet room in secret. regarding cohen s reported claim trump knew of the 2016 meeting with the russian lawyer, despite his repeated denials, cnn reports cohen has no evidence to back that up. is the claim worth anything if he can t corroborate it? there is a really, quite a he said/she said, he said/they said element to this as you mentioned. on one side people are saying cohen has direct knowledge, firsthand witness knowledge, that don junior told his father about this. however, on the other side, there are a lot of people in trump world, a lot of very well-paid lawyers and a lot of family members and friends, who say, everyone else does not agree. no one else can recollect this ever coming up, and i think interestingly, that group of folks have told us there is no corroborating evidence. so somebody says they saw it. a lot of other people say they don t remember anything like that, and, by the way, there s no recording. there s no memo. so are you relying on the word of michael cohen? i find that interesting, because it s not exactly denying it, but it is saying, it will be hard to prove. you know, rudy giuliani praising cohen at one point. the president praising cohen. now going on the attack against him. do you think they re just trying to goad michael cohen now into saying something, or i guess appealing to, as you ve written about, this heightened emotions that he has? i think in trump world, everyone would like michael cohen to simmer down rather than be goaded, and, remember, rudy giuliani essentially created a bit of an opening for this dramatic weekend and turn of events, because rudy described the tape recording that was ultimately just first described and then released, but rudy, after the existence of the recording was made public, rudy went on television to say it was entirely exculpatory and showed the president absolutely had no advance knowledge. now, when we actually got the transcript and cnn got the recording, you heard that it did seem as though the president did have advance knowledge. he didn t seem surprised at all about the idea that karen mcdougal was claiming he d had a long-running affair with him, and that she d sold the rights to her story to american media incorporated, david picker and publisher of national enquirer so when rudy made that description, that set off cohen world and when the recording was ultimately released. i think everybody in trump world would like michael to to quiet down. carol lennik, not you. come back and talk with us any time. thank 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daily beast and a political analyst. what do you make about the claims and how this changes the investigation for the russia investigation? this was actually a very important week, because what it did was, it connected these, for lack of a better word, the sex investigations, that part of the story, with the russian collusion story. and the connection is the accountant, allen weisselberg, now testifying before the grand jury. so we learned on these tapes that, you know, there had been this special unit that may have broken campaign finance laws in paying off karen mcdougal. then we learned towards the end of the week that, you know, this june meeting, this now knnotoris june 2016 meeting, might have been something that donald trump knew about. it s a little bit like a mob case. you have liars on both sides, but just because somebody is established as a liar, like they re trying to paint michael cohen in the trump camp, doesn t mean that he won t be credible on the stand. if it comes to a try. so, you know, this idea that they can kind of knock him out by saying that this guy that they used to have in the family is now a liar which is what giuliani is saying, that s not necessarily going to work for them. but on twitter yesterday, you have the president lashing out at michael cohen, dibbling down de doubling down on the meeting, that he knew anything. would they take the president s word over michael cohen? jonathan, i disagree. i think they are going to be successful, the trump camp, in painting cohen out to be a guy who lacks credibility, has lied and lied over and observver aga. look back in time. remember, all the polls comment? he was never really in touch with reality and kicked out of the trump universe because his last name isn t trump and he so badly wanted to be one of the cool kids lunch table and never was. they ll paint him out to be somebody scorned and frankly i think they ll win. the president wins when he takes it directly to his base, speaks directly to them, i did nothing wrong. believe me. stick with us. literally used those words. stick with us, don t believe the liberal media and where he wins out every time. funny for us who see the truth pap guy who lacks credibility serving as the president s lawyer, rudy giuliani saying the former personal lawyer lacks credibility is a goofy game here. i think in reality, we know that president trump is going to win with his base. you ve got to distinguish between the politics, where you might well be right, because his base will stick with him, even if he shoots somebody on fifth avenue, and the legal proceeding where you have laws that may have been violated. it you re looking at a jury, for instance, in the trial of donald trump jr., and he s in a world of hurt, legally, you can t, you know, say, well, they will necessarily believe his father over michael cohen. we have a long way to go now before we know who s going to be more credible on the stand. there s a problem here. a problem here. it s that cohen says he was in the room with many others. but who s going to corroborate that claim? he doesn t even have audio recordings of that june 2016 meeting with the russians. so he has no physical evidence to prove we don t know that. there s speculation on that. no. we don t know what sort of other evidence he might have. remember, he made 100 audio recordings. now, it s true that if he d made one of this meeting they probably would have brought it forward this week, but we don t know what kind of corroboration there might be on that. we re very early. this story just broke. it is. i agree. there are calls for donald trump jr. to re-appear and give testimony this time in front of the senate judiciary committee. any reason republicans should not support that move? there s really no reason. here s the thing. they know don trump jr. lies, whether behind closed doors, to the public, doesn t matter to republicans on the hill. don jump jr. is who we know he is. jonathan rightly points out, the legality is what matters i don t know any republicans on the hill have a reason to get involvedfine with him re-appearing, he s again going to lie. this family looks us in the face and lies to us. a segment of the republican party buys that and another part of the part that rejects that. frankly, i agree, it s early. no problem with don trump jr. going to the hill and clarifying what he said before, but my sense is that he s going to go and he s going to lie again. the trump organization as a whole always wins out by saying, look at the democrats. look at the liberals. they just want to take us down. jonathan, you mentioned the tapes. 100 of them reportedly in existence. listen to lanny davis, michael cohen s lawyer. responding to questions about why these tapes were made in the first place, or how. here it is. michael cohen has an answer to why he taped conversations, and i think he ll have to give that answer himself. i can t reveal that, but i will say that michael cohen has turned a corner in his life, and he s now dedicated to telling the truth to everyone, and we ll see what happens. how do you interpret that, jonathan? well, he s ready to flip, if he hasn t flipped already. that s been clear for a while now, and that s very dangerous for donald trump. this is a person who was at his side in many, many situations. we ll see what allen weisselberg testifies to before the grand jury. he is so close to trump. you know, he comes out of his casino empire. been his accountant many years, worked for his father. he knows where all the bodies are buried. he s even along with trump s sons, a trustee of the business while trump is president. so talking about what he knows, and he will be compelled to do so before the grand jury, to a certain extent. this could get an awful lot messier for the trump family. thank you both. guarantee i ll speak with you both again. thanks. thanks, guys. rules for beating president trump up. why trump opponents 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doctor about chantix. new this week, attacks the attorney michael cohen. calling him a liar. willing to tell the special counsel robert mueller trump knew about the 2016 trump tower meeting between his son and russia lawyer. joining me now, columnist for new york times and nbc pretty contributor brett stevens with a big welcome to you i can t wait to get to you this week. let s talk about this michael cohen. you re your reaction to this news overall, what are the implications of this going forward. they might be really serious, especially if cohen has a whole series of recordings. my fear is that i think the trump s opponents, and i include myself among them, have beeen cn i wantly consistently sort of banking on the expectation going to be smoking gun evidence. really bad news. michael cohen is kind of tainted witness. spent the time talking about what kind of lawyer he had been in his past life. the sort of jobs he did for donald trump. so there s going to be a question about his correct from the get-go which the presidents s team is going to exploit, even if they were defending him a few months ago. let s get to allen wieselburg. new york times is reporting that federal investigations have asked to interview him as part of investigation. it s sganlt for this reason. many have suspected in in our guts that if counsel mueller find evidence of collusion. improper relations it s going to get financial side. an organization that is constantly pishing the legal envelope or that was operatings perhaps outside of the legal envelope. in terms of the volume of lawsuits they were engaged in, the sort of investors they had. the places they were looking for markets. it s very natural that someone like him would be in their interest. if you can get access to anything. wieselbereisselberg. it will president s father. so he s been in the family for a very, very long time. and it s not entire lly clear tt he either has something to give or would be prepared to give it. what do you think is the northwest important rule for being donald trump. don t focus on the past. americans are not going to vote in 2020 on what may ronald reagan m or may not have happened. frankly, there is this obsession. i engage in it. in 2017, did the president s tweet cross the line into the obstruction of justice. guess what, i think the balance of the american eledoesn t real care. those are going to be the things. in other words, stop bashing. give voters reasons to vote for you. eric: every party only has so much political capital to spend. democrats are spending a lot of that capital on trying to relitigate 2016 and hoping they re going to find a smoking gun evidence of impeachable offense. they need to inspire like barack obama did in 2008. the one thing you wrote the prior day and it reads how trump won re-election in 2020. during the commercial, i would say you said it was a very easy thing for you to write. yes. how so and what has been the reaction other than someone looking at you rather stunned. people think i wrote a prediction. i wrote a warning. a piece that s day lined after the election trying to look back on how he won. it comes down to one thing. in 1992 when bill clinton ran against the senior george washington, he said it s the economy stupid. that s the primary consideration on the minds of most americans. so if there is prosperity. will that be strongly in favor of trump. counter trump with a positive agenda coming from practical democrats. is this going to be prophetic if the economy stays strong and builds as the president in that news conference yesterday suggested it would? a lot of things can happen that would talk over the ability to build. if it s a strong economy, have you just written what everyone will be writing the day after the election. take one more historical example. in 2000, we had an incredibly strong economy under president clinton. peace and prosperity and george w. bush ran under the mantle i m going to restore dignity to the office. he called it conservatism. look back and say it didn t work out as he intended. it was a very different presidency. that s how he won with a positive message against a presidents who is seen as having to baste the office. and that s how democrats, something like that is the way democrats are going to win. i want to be proved wrong on november 4, 2020. brett stevens, very good to talk with you. see you again, no doubt. in just a few minutes on a.m. joy, president trump s timeline of denial about the trump tower meeting. if your adventure. .keeps turning into unexpected bathroom trips. .you may have overactive bladder, or oab.
he refused, threatened to resign and that s when president trump backed down ultimately deciding not to fire the special counsel. but again, we re seeing this new point of frustration from president trump with these new attacks. again, the most direct at robert mueller. the backdrop is important to point out. a few days ago, the president s former attorney michael cohen spoke to a number of sources who then told cnn that he was ready to testify to the special counsel that president trump approved that june 2016 meeting between russian nationals and his son donald trump jr. and other members of his campaign. so the president responding to that coverage. he also tweeted angrily at the media today we should point out. yes, he did. he tweeted all over the place. boris sanchez in new jersey where the president just head back to the white house. thank you. a lot to discuss on this sunday evening. joining us now is cnn s senior political analyst and senior editor for the laatlantic and washington post columnist josh rogan. clearly something set the president off. what do you think it is? . i think the reporting that he noted is the logical precipitating cause here. look, this is part of a continuing effort to influence in effect the jury pool which will be congressional republicans. if bob mueller comes back with any recommendation that the president that the house needs to consider impeachment on the various areas he is vugting this is about creating more pressure on republicans to avoid that. i would point out this these attacks are a perfect microcosm for the trump presidency. they are having an influence among republican voters. but among the general public more broadly, it is consolidating uncertainty and moving people away. i mean there is polling last week, 63% of the country say they didn t trust the intelligence services over donald trump about the impact of russian interference and the election by 20 points, a 20 point margin. they say the fbi is not biassed against him and another poll, 60% said he usually does not tell the truth. it s not like this behavior is cost free. for him or for the republicans in congress who have chosen to defend it. josh mueller said to be scrutinizing trump s tweets as part of the obstruction of justice investigation. so why launch the tweets when you know he s watching? i think it s an effort to distract from what the news media and a lot of other people are focusing on, namely, the fact that michael cohen s personal lawyer is releasing all sorts of new information, new tapes, new recordings, new accusations and all of these not only feed into the muller investigation but are super damaging politically and publicly for the president. for the president s personal lawyer to accuse him of knowing about the meeting at trump tower before and approving it before his son and campaign manager and son-in-law met with russians connected to the russian government that, is a shocking accusation. although michael cohen has little credibility and rudy giuliani has little credibility and the president has little credibility, the fastball this is the topic of discussion along with michael cohen s playing of the tape shows that president trump probably knew about pay yofrz to his alleged mistress, playboy model. this is all exactly what the president doesn t want to focus on. so by putting out all of the tweets, he is trying to shift the conversation. he succeeding in that. ahead of the brand new news cycle, he is sending out marching orders to the allies in congress and in the media, don t look over here, look over here. don t talk about michael cohen and karen mcdougal, talk about angry democrats and the witchunt and all of this stuff. you know, again, it s pretty standard practice for the president. i don t think it s going to work in terms of saving him from the actual consequences of these revelations. but it certainly works in changing the conversation. that s him using his bully pulpit which he uses effectively. we were used to this president going after so-called enemies, going after competitors. he s not afraid to call people out by name, sloppy steve, right? i mean there s crooked hillary. and, yet, he hasn t been attacking michael cohen by name today. instead, he s going after mueller. why do you think that is? well, michael cohen can do a lot of damage to donald trump. you know, he has been he has been right in the middle of everything for many years. there s a lot that he knows. i m sure it is a very unnerving situation for the president to have michael cohen, you know, signalling that he wants to cooperate with investigators, bringing on lanny davis late of the clinton defense to be, you know, his lawyer and kind of public relations consultant. all of that are kind of ominous, you know, directions for the president. i would point out that there is kind of a broader pattern here which is, you know, twofold. one, the president needs conflict. that is what he believes is the essence of his political strength. there is always a fight. you know, whether a couple days ago it was revoking security clearances for former officials. it could be nfl players. it could be pop culture figures. he believers he needs to show his base that he is fighting all of the time, that he is breaking the glass on their behalf. as i said, there is a cost to that. a cost in exhaustion among many swing voters, particularly white collar voters and that is where the republican risk is the greatest. we have the special election coming up in ohio in a couple weeks. another district that should be safely republican but because of the revolt in the suburbs that they are facing, it is now a nail biter for the gop and that is where the vulnerability is concentrated in november and, again, this kind of behavior by the republican about it president and the decision by house republicans not only to defend it but to abet it in many cases by, you know, working against the investigation, that is the core that magnifies their risk in the places their most vulnerable. we re looking at images of air force one as the president gets on the plane and comes back from his weekend at his golf resort in new jersey. so we ll just keep this up. if he comes in and addresses the immediate yashgs of course, we ll be listening in. in the meantime, josh, one of the tweets today, he is threatening to shut down the government unless democrats don t agree to build a border wall. he said all along, mefrm he could is going to pay for that wall. this is one 00 days out from the mid terms. does this do more to help or hurt republicans in november? he s putting his republican allies in congress in an impossible position because, of course, they don t have the leverage to get democrats to agree to a border wall funding. if they dshgs they would have used it already in these past 18 months. and also they know something that he may or may not acknowledge which is that if he shuts down the government, that s bad for them. he s not up for election. but they are. and so they really can t afford to take the risk of having a big government shutdown even over the border wall, even if it s popular before this midterm. so, you know, again, sort of like, you know, let s throw out a bunch of empty threats. let s put everybody that s on our side into a terrible political bind. and then, you know, ranlt at an rave until something shakes out. it doesn t seem to be working. we don t have the border wall funding. he s not making progress on it. it s not clear to me why this threat is different from that any of the other 100 times that he made it. but again, it s he thinks it s a good issue politically for him. there is no cost to him personally for making the threats. so he thinks why not just do it? and see what happens. who knows, it may work. ron, i want to get your take we don t know what the reason was for the end of that tape. joining us now to discuss what may have happened there, ed primo, one of the nation s audio forensic experts with 30 plus years of experience. ed, great to have you with us. earlier this week you confirmed to my colleague that the tape was in fact edited. and i want to dig into that issue specifically. since that seems to be a point of contention right now. what does your analysis tell you about what was modified and when it happened? well, the recording was created using the voice memo app on an iphone 5. i can see the operating system in the data. and in the voice memo application, there is a feature or a function called trim. so i believe the recording was edited in the voice memo app. but the biggest problem that we have here, it s a misrepresentation of the events as they occurred. when i testified in court previously, and i ve testified dozens of times, the recordings that are presented, if they re edited, then the trier of fact, judge and jury, need to be made aware of the fact that it was shortened. in this particular case, we have a recording that ends with a butt edit. it is very visible and in any program that you can view the sounds spectrum and you can notice that the ending has some a couple different words on it. why that is like that, i don t know. but it is not an authentic recording and it certainly is not the original. let s listen to that audio again this time sloweded down. slowed down. when it comes time for the financing which will be listen, what financing? i ll have to pay. no. no. no. i got no. no. a check. so you have said that the data tells you this recording was modified four seconds after it was created. just four seconds later. i m trying to make sense of that. can you specify what kind of modification? well, there was an edit, obviously. i re-created the edit today by making a recording on an iphone 5 that had an operating system more recent. it was actually 10.2. the original recording that i could see in the data was created on an iphone five with the operating system 9.3. so i didn t do any research to learn how many updates away that was from where this recording was created. but what is important here is that it was created in a voice memo app that is capable of editing. it has a trim feature in it. so could an incoming call or running out of battery have been the reason for that abrupt ending? or did somebody have to physically do it themselves? i believe it was actually edited. somebody actually ended the recording there using the trim function and voice memo app. that is my theory at this point. and that s the science that i ve observed up to this point. is there evidence that something was actually deleted? no. not anything that i could see. other than knowing that it was edited and the conversation appears to continue. because it was edited right after the ch in check or if that is the word check. and let me just confirm with you, too. there is not evidence that anything before that moment had been edited? not that i ve seen, no. okay. ed primo, thank you for giving us your expertise, helping us better understand what we re dealing with when it come to this piece of potential evident. we appreciate it. you re welcome. coming up, let s head out west. there is a deadly inferno right now. a wind driven blaze leveling neighborhoods, amid triple digit temperatures. we ll take you live to california. plus, unraveling the mystery of amelia earhart. hear from the researcher who says the famed aviator s final pleas for help were broadcast around the world. and later, meet the top target for a dangerous cartel. a 6-year-old german shepard who sniffs out their drugs. and now has a big bounty on her head. what will you discover with a lens made by essilor? 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it s interesting. russia s military budget decreased in 2017 for the first time in 20 years. we ve seen putin rely on some unconventional assets that are cheaper like cyber attacks and information warfare. and more recently, he s been directly messaging president trump through the media. it s cheap and it s easy. we have this whole second summit. it wasn t negotiated behind closed doors. trump issued an invitation publicly. putin responded publicly. it really looked like president trump was responsive to media criticism and putin s direction rather than u.s. national security interests. and on friday, putin complimented and threatened president trump in the same press conference. he complimented his track record on keeping campaign promises to butter him up. and then threatened president trump and u.s. economic growth by linking sanctions against russia to the dollar. i think president putin is very aware that the way to get president trump s attention is through direct public messaging. now you say that the way this all played out is not normal. let s talk about north korea. we also had developments there this other weekend with the news buried that remains of what we believe to be u.s. war victims were given back to the u.s. officials. do you believe this is a sign that north korea is indeed following through on the promises? i don t think we ve seen any signs that north korea actually denuclearizing. they testified publicly last week that they continue to produce material. they re continuing to make nuclear weapons. they may have kept two of the promises from singapore. they re dismantling a second test site not because they re denuclearizing built because they don t have to test anymore. as you mentioned, they may have rurn returned 55 sets of remains, again keeping a promise. but none of this is related to actual denuclearization. the fear is they re going to ask f for something in rufrnlt china lifted sanctions on north korea. we could see them moving in that direction. north korea got a lot of its technology, nuclear technology from pakistan. pakistan getting ready to swear in a new prime minister. what will he mean for u.s. national security? well, khan is compared to president trump in the past few weeks because of his celebrity past and nationalist and pop lift platforms. but i think the bilateral relationship when khan takes the premiership is going to be under pressure. khan criticize the u.s. drone strikes. he kricriticized our war in afghanistan. so we could see us moving further apart. but khan may move closer to our enemies and rivals. he s been accused of being sympathetic to the taliban and wants a closer relationship with china who is pouring billions of dollars into pakistan. so china s spending more. we decreased our security assistance. and so we may lose more leverage. all right. thank you so much, sam. always good to see you: coming up, it is one of the greatest unsolved mysteries in history. now a clue on what may have happened to amelia earhart during that doomed flight around the world. hear from the researcher who says he has the proof to close this case for good. you re live in the cnn newsroom. still nervous about finding a new apartment? 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that s right. that s right. we just released a new study of the radio distress calls that were heard for at least five nights. widely believed at the time, you look at the headlines and it s we hear her calls. there are official word is that they re genuine. that s why the u.s. navy sent a battleship from hawaii 2,000 miles to this island to see if there was an airplane there sending the signals. because the airplane could only send radio signals if it was not only on land but on its wheels and able to operate the right hand engine, the right hand engine with the generator to recharge the battery. so she didn t crash anywhere. she made a safe landing on the reef that surrounds this island. dries at low tide. smooth as a runway. but the tide comes in and the tide goes out. and by the time the navy got there, rising tides and surf washed the airplane into the ocean so when the u.s. navy planes through over the island, they didn t see an airplane. therefore all the signals you some have somehow been bogus and they spent the rest of the search looking in the open ocean for floating wreckage or life raft and found nothing an concluding she crashed at sea. we went back and studies all those radio distress calls and find that there is no way they could have been hoaxes or misunderstandings. they came from that island. directional bearings, cross at that island. it is rock solid. how long did it take you to analysis all of this? well, let s see. first we had to assemble all the original source information from the original radio logs. then when he to correct them for chronology, get all the time zones corrected and some of the time zones change over the years. and then you have to analyze the call themselves whether frequency and the probability that they could be heard. it s sophisticated computerized stuff. and then you say what story is this telling us? which reported messages can be genuine and which are credible beyond a reasonable doubt? and of the 120 reported alleged signals that were heard, we find that 57 of them are credible and among them there are about two dozen that are credible beyond a reasonable doubt. they had to be coming from that island. wow. incredible the research that you ve done and the time that you spent is just fascinating, rick. thank you for sharing it with us. and it hasn t been me. it s the organization that i represent. tiger, the international group for historic aircraft recovery. they re the twhaunz dones that work. you re very humble. they appreciate that shoutout, rick. you represent them well. coming up, a drug sniffing pooch so good at her job she is now in serious danger. meet this german shepard with a $70,000 bounty on her head because a colombian cartel wants her gone. tech: at safelite autoglass, we really pride ourselves on making it easy for you to get your windshield fixed. teacher: let s turn in your science papers. tech vo: this teacher always puts her students first. student: i did mine on volcanoes. teacher: you did?! oh, i can t wait to read it. tech vo: so when she had auto glass damage. she chose safelite. with safelite, she could see exactly when we d be there. teacher: you must be pascal. tech: yes ma am. tech vo: saving her time. 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a file that allow them to make a plastic gun like this one using a 3-d printer. gun control advocates call these new digital firearms a threat to public safety and national security. cnn s athena jones has the details. reporter: it could be the dawn of a new era in gun manufacturing. starting as soon as wednesday, people will be able to use 3-d printers to make their own weapons and weapon parts. no background check required. this after the government settled a lawsuit last month with the non-profit group defense distributed that would allow the posting of 3-d printable gun plans online, a move that s triggering a debate about public safety and national security. the group s founder cody wilson has built a website where people will be able to download plans for a handgun he dubs the liberator as well as digital files for a complete baretta m-9 handgun and other firearms. wilson s legal battle began after he posted handgun blueprints online in 2013, leading to a demand from the state department to take them down because they could violate a law regulating the export of defense materials, services and technical data like blueprints. wilson explained his goal in a 2013 interview. i m putting guns one is an exercise in, i don t know, experimentalism, can you print a gun. but really for me it s important, it s like a symbolic political statement. reporter: he described a future in which people could access unregulated guns. in this future people would be able to make guns for themselves. that was already true but now it s been demonstrated in yet another technology. reporter: the june 29th settlement will also allow wilson s site to post online plans for an ar-15 lower receiver, a key component of the gun. gun control advocates fear these firearms made almost entirely of plastic would be untraceable and impossible to regulate. the co-president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence says these hard to detect guns would be a national security threat making it easier for terrorists and people who can t pass criminal background checks to get their hands on dangerous weapons, adding i think everybody in america ought to be terrified about that. but experts like lawrence keen, a senior vice president for the national shooting sports foundation, the firearm industry s trade association, say 3-d printed guns would have to include metal components to function and because federal law requires it. federal law since the mid 1980s under the undetectible firearms act requires a certain amount of metal so they are not undetectible and can t go through metal detectors undetected or x-ray machines. reporter: even with those metal components the guns would not work well. the truth is they don t. many times they fail after a single shot being fired, they break. they re not very durable and they really don t work. reporter: he said the sort of high-end printer that would be needed to make a gun costs as much as a quarter of a million dollars and the resulting weapons unreliability means the country is unlikely to see a rush of people trying to print their own guns. new york senator chuck schumer expressed similar concerns back in 2013. a felon, a terrorist can make a gun in the comfort of their home, not even leaving their home, and do terrible damage with it. the question is what we do about it. reporter: last week he demanded the state department and the department of justice reverse the decision or postpone finalizing it and said that if they don t he would use emergency congressional actions to block those gun websites sxwlp so we re here to sound the alarm. we re here to plead with the administration not to allow these types of websites to go forward, which they re planning to on august 1st, and we re here to say we ll pass legislation if the special website is allowed. reporter: athena jones, cnn, new york. we have is this just in to cnn. civil rights icon and georgia congressman john lewis has been given a clean bill 6 health after spending the night in a hospital. lewis apparently became ill on a flight to atlanta yesterday. his spokeswoman telling cnn the congressman thanks everyone who shared their thoughts, their prayers and concerns during his hospital stay. again now out of the hospital. good to hear that. you are in the cnn newsroom. i m ana cabrera in new york. so glad to have you with us.
topics: A petri dish of meat, please!; What s the color of insect blood?; Does microdosed LSD make you smarter?; Alcohol and the unforgiving liver; Nuisance. that fast. to things friends have in common they re all free of animal products the number of vegetarians is growing around the globe most of them are now asia almost twenty percent of the population. there motivation is a very good animal welfare. concerns about the environment. all religion and more and more people are choosing a meat free diet but some say meat tastes too good to give up biotechnology is coming to their aid food this is the beef burger and this is the animal behind that the further it is still alive how does that work cost of maastricht university cooked up the idea he has pioneered clean or cultured meat the real thing but mine is the butchery. i think says he thinks that one day we may look back in disbelief at these barbaric times when we slaughtered animals for food. in the lab in maastricht they have been working since the one nine hundred ninety s. on growing muscle tissue the main component of meat from stem cells mark past is the driving force behind the research. in twenty thirteen presented his first in vitro hamburger it was made of pure beef grown from bovine stem cell at a cost of a quarter of a million euros the few who got to taste it concluded that it was indeed like a pretty run of the mill burger. in the early days still took stem cells from slaughter cattle out of one tiny chunk of meat ten thousand kilograms could in theory be grown. stem cells cultured meat has advantages over natural beef heads of cattle do not have to roll and cultured meat is free of unwanted material like sinews gristle and facia and it comes without hair or bones. the meat is also free of bacteria and of the antibiotics and other chemicals often found in wheat from non-organic lee grown cattle nowadays post only takes tiny samples of muscle from living animals to extract the stem cells but there is another problem. the medium in which stem cells are grown contains fetal bovine serum taken from the blood of cow fetuses both they and their mother colleagues have to be slaughtered. passed is working on an alternative culture medium that does not involve killing any animals. substances found an audi look promising. production costs have come down a lot one of pos synthetic burgers would now cost about ten euros if it were on sale but only if the lab grown meat were mass produced in quantities comparable to regular ground beef today so scaling up is key for the researchers but that s still a long way off and there are several companies now working on cultured meat in the united states there is memphis meats a start up in san francisco. eric should say is on the team of scientists developing technology to grow clean meat and large bio reactors. he says it may sound weird but it is in fact an entirely natural process we just don t need a cow for it. it s just one bad full could yield forty thousand portions at memphis meets a baby meat ball still costs sixth out. thousand dollars so they have some way to a kind of red hemoglobin in their bodies in order to transport oxygen. and some insects have a type of blood that s yellowish the ladybug for example it emits smelly human lymph when it s attacked as i m not just warning. hundreds said that the blood of this bug the coaching male is used to color lipstick but that s not quite true and the pigment kamin is indeed made from dried but not from their blood instead come any acid which the insect emits to fend off predators is what creates the ruby red color. if outlet is red white object class and if they feel it to. pick as i do you have a science question can you touch. send us your question via video text of your smile we d love to hear from you. just ask if. you ll going through life with a bit more. makes a bit easier to go through this morning i woke up i meditated i went to the sauna this is something i do quite consistently and then of course i took a micro i was like you know my critics sing psychedelic drugs is becoming increasingly popular and austin has set himself up as a mike criticizing coach for him it s about integrating psychedelics into mainstream culture he says there s a tremendous upside to responsible psychedelic use he talked about this is a conference in switzerland where there were a number of fellow supporters. i ve tried it it s wonderful mr is right to tell you like the idea but more for fun than to become say a more efficient. if you guys. i work with my mind so i would very much like to try it. near enhancement is now increasingly for the purported neuro enhancing effects aside from l.s.d. therapy to block and my doctor now a methyl found a tight often called by the brand name ritalin. quite now is a psychopharmacologist he says the intervening twin haunts one function comes at a price because the brain is a vastly complex network of networks that story system military and responds to interventions by countering them when you so understand i take such a substance the desired results are often offset by ones i don t want my motivation in alertness might be enhanced but other cognitive capacities will be diminished. one way side. the tropic drugs is by intervening in the flow of neurotransmitters sometimes increasing their numbers so activating that receptus. neurotransmitters carry messages from one nerve cell to the next in the brain and throughout the body . a number of so-called neuro enhances been researched at all. my personal opinion is that one should not take l.s.d. regularly even in micra doses. by coal. the message is messing with the brain is a risky business if you want a little stimulation without too many side effects a nice cup of coffee might be just right. coffee might give you a buzz but fresh fruit and vege are probably the key to physical well being out of substances manhunts our mental state as we saw we asked on facebook if you take pills to boost your mental capability. come in or rodriguez says it s a very tempting question but she asks what the cost of boosting brainpower might be . mighty don t come to zip is not convinced she distrusts brain pills and says they re just placebos intended to generate money for the pharmaceutical industry. so our one seems to be ok with taking neuro enhancing drugs but only when he has an exam found on clinical points out of these substances will not miraculously improve intelligence she recommends natural products. and omaha he says pretty even if such drugs are legal you should first consult a doctor before taking up. thanks to all of you for writing and keep those answers coming. and now we move on to another drug one that is commonly not taken in my critters. in many parts of the world alcohol is considered a legal high with a long tradition of wine for example has been cultivated for fuzzy s of years. for doc other drugs alcohol has side effects had alcohol abuse takes quite a toll on the body. can t. move. afterward some people treat themselves to a beer it s relaxing but how exactly does it affect our bodies. after being swallowed alcohol rapidly enters the bloodstream most of it by the small intestine. it s then transported throughout the body and inhibits the absorption of nutrients. within minutes the alcohol reaches the liver which begins to metabolize it unfortunately the byproduct of this process is more toxic than alcohol itself. in the brain alcohol disturbs the balance between inhibition and excitation it also jacks up the release of feel good hormones like dopamine serotonin and endorphins so it first drink is typically become more talkative and outgoing the problem begins when the drinking doesn t stop. the liver can only process one unit of alcohol an hour alcohol it s toxic by products damage cells throughout the body. it results in inflammation of the a suffocates and stomach and too much drinking can damage d.n.a. in cells making drinkers more susceptible to various kinds of cancers. while the alcohol is being toxified in the liver fatty globules accumulate there replacing healthy tissue chronic excessive drinking leads to what s called a fatty liver in this condition liver function progressively declines at this stage every drink poses a health risk. alcohol abuse damages and even kills off nerve cells in the brain in some cases leading to memory loss and cognitive impairment meanwhile the liver damage gets worse and worse scars form as cells are being destroyed by continued drinking the final stage liver cirrhosis drinkers don t feel the slowly progressing disease even if they do sleep off the short term effects. and the impact of chronic alcohol abuse can involve social as well as physical problems. cutting back on alcohol or giving it a mall together it s a good idea then if you re lucky your body will start recovering quickly if the damage isn t too advanced fatty liver can regenerate within weeks and inflammation can subside if you stick to a healthy lifestyle but that s no reason to celebrate there will always be a residual impact it may take years for your cancer risk to be reversed if at all. just a day with another kind of substance abuse. looking at these images you might think wait. well yes that. we re going to look at quite a different kind of wheat. the kind you don t want a new field and this was super weeds which of development assistance to have a site one culprit is slender foxtail or black cross it s proven a nightmare. this is weed control the easy way blanket spraying fields with herbicides for twenty years that s been an integral part of the job for a farmer function to it but using all those chemicals has come at a price the emergence of another unwelcome invader a super weed that powering over his prized wheat. this is black grass the main problem is that it s spreading like and that can rapidly mean a loss of income of over fifty percent. of course there are short term solutions in the form of herbicides from the agro chemical giants but even they can no longer eliminate black grass for good it s now spreading like a plague. you can see they grow. every month and if you have three or four hundred of dispersed where meters there s no room for the displaced grown ups. as will probably be the case here soon. together with you they re born a month from the regional farming authority frank stewart has been documenting the onward march of this noxious weed the world s most widely used herbicide for example is proving increasingly ineffective. for zada sound for todd having a life or say it would normally kill everything including black grass. we now have fields in northwestern germany where it s failing in the fight against black rocks . it s shocking to see how the weeds develop such. wrong resistance as a sense is a all. that s resistance that makes the lead practically invincible with superpowers bestowed by human intervention. random genetic mutations can lead to a weed becoming resistant to a particular herbicide. once resistant black grass has infested the field sprayed with that chemical the non resistant plants competing for the space with air and die. the surviving variety then thrives unimpeded leaving seats which in turn produce more resistant black grass weeds that evolved this way and are no longer vulnerable to new herbicides are called super winds. the rapid proliferation of multi resistant weeds has become a global problem. from the chemical industry say they might have a new product in ten or fifteen years time it used to be every five or ten years so once black grass or develop resistance to these active ingredients that be something new to replace them that it works except farmers fail to adapt that planting system and it s on balls to stay involved in it. until now chemical agents have enabled conventional farmers to grow the most profitable crops now many of them are looking enviously at colleagues they used to mock organic farmers. weeds grow in their fields too except here they re not exterminated with chemicals. organic farmer finer bone harvest uses methods that have proven first full since the dawn of agriculture this is seeds was our ubiquitous hairy event which is a real nuisance during harvest was on the go because but we ve learnt to keep it under control through howling. good time you know we have a lovely clean crop but it s a minor because it s all thanks to mechanical weed control. we called little you had worn. organic farmers are not averse to high tech methods either some now have state of the art mechanical hose that relieve fields of unwanted visitors they re fitted with cameras g.p.s. and an auto steer function. but some conventional farms have remained resistant to mechanical tillage seeing it as a step backwards from herbicides. i m fucking that it was so easy to rig up the sprinkler still of the tank and just drive the job was over in no time or interest would i people always claim that mechanical options were too expensive and time consuming we could hide it s fond of them at the greater efficiency argument didn t actually wash which i m finished. so there s more to organic farming than just modern technology finer bornhorst gets to grips with weeds and other pests without chemical assistance and by following the laws of nature rather than the market he could potentially sell far more of these red potatoes every year but he prefers to rotate and only plant them every four years on the same field. then as it so often the one on the quality rapidly declines when you grow them too frequently in succession the potatoes become extremely present to disease and past slow and organic farmers can t take much action against them. so variety and long intervals between planting are the best means of producing nice healthy potatoes the best the mr orme was on no and sure to cut off and. herbicides not hose high output crops instead of more robust varieties for years franks tooted here to that logic of the agricultural industry but no longer. fear musson aunts often for up she don t have to stop spraying everything with herbicides which are the heavy handed option. but instead we should be returning to crop. rotation and intensive tillage like in the old days like our grandfathers did. he won t stop using herbicides overnight but he is looking at alternatives such as broad beans instead of wheat perhaps not as lucrative but a more resilient crop in the long term. next time we take to the what the hell can our robot falcon. be cheap in the sky over at ports free of charge that my client with planes. join us for that and more next time on tomorrow today. to run beethoven. his works in the goddess fortuna. the munster intrigue of. the children gone the twenty teams. who did the fighting for the case to be taken seriously in the words of one here s what s coming up. this talk on g.w. oh they do use the female superheroes on a 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