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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:53:00

-- in the atlantic arguing that vladimir putin is falling into the dictator trapped. thank you both for being here. vladimir, let me start with you, you know firsthand and just how dangerous putin can be. where do you see this conflict going next? do you believe putin is going to escalate, not just in ukraine, but he was saying in his address, today escalated home against russian dissidents and activists? >> well, we have 22 years of track record of vladimir putin's dictatorship to evaluate the situation. mr. putin came to power a generation ago, the first thing he did was he began targeting independent media, political opponents, opposition parties, election, so on. in russia, in all this time while he was doing this, he was dismantling and destroying democracy, checks and balances on our country. western leaders continues all from red carpet treatment, shake his hand, declare resets and so on, as we were discussing in the previous segment of your program.

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:51:15

All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:51:15
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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:45:00

to access, so we will forge. ahead but you may have noticed one person not on putin's list, donald j trump. even as the republicans try to provide's history to pretend that trump was strong on russia. that was clearly not the case, check it out, we have receipts. >> nobody was ever tougher on russia than me, i'm the one that stopped the pipeline. i had it stops. i'm the one that put all the sanctions on it. >> my people came to me, dan coats came to, me and some others, and they said they think it's russia. i have president putin, he just said it's not russia, i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> as everyone understands this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged, and if i was the president. >> i was in moscow, a couple of months ago, i own the miss universe page and. they treated me so great. putin even sent me a present.

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:58:00

does that mean there's no end to this war? as ellen said today, the war has to end the negotiation table, doesn't? >> it was an absolute travesty with the congresswoman was saying, how many more current political pony and sivs he need to murder, how many more countries need to invade, before the west stops this business of appeasing a drainage murderer entertainer. the only way to end all the wars of aggression, all the impressions and all the other crimes of the putin regime has committed, is to have vladimir putin out of power. there's no other solution. nobody is advocating regime change from outside. only russians in russia can change political reality on the ground. one of the main priorities of the free world, for western democracies right now, should be to help give the russian people the truth, the objective information, the real news in the russian language, to counter that totally false, distorted, imaginary, orwellian reality that has been created by putin's propaganda machine.

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:36:00

or bio -- but a sort of that he can do anything, essentially, he wants, including target civilians. how can that be, better mehdi? >> of course, no one -- i understand the emotional argument, no wants to see the scenes that we're putting up on the screen right now. but from a practical point of, you cannot have a both ways. we are told as much by -- we are told that putin is a war criminal, we are told he is. matt we are told he is isolated and yet you are telling me very confidently that if we shoot down russian aircraft over ukraine, he will not use, even tactical nuclear weapons? how can you be so sure? [interpreter] >> look, i think vladimir putin at some level understands that it would be the entire world against him. and it would engage in conflict. he does not want to lose power in russia. he wants a negotiated solution as well. but right now there's nothing pushing us to a negotiated solution. the u.s. could get involved and say, look, we are going to force discipline in the space. we are not going to lead to the massacre of civilians.

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:38:00

brings dramatic benefit to the military that is already -- but without the necessary weapons they. need we should have given them weapons congo, a lot more. and yet, now, with this now, it's a lot too late,. >> i think that's very different from attacking. russia joe biden called vladimir putin a war criminal today. back when 2001 when george bush met with president putin, he said -- this >> i looked the man in the, i find the man to be very straightforward and trustworthy. we had a very good dialogue. and i was able to get a sense of his soul. a man committed to his country and the best interests of his country. and i appreciate it very much the frank dialogue. >> you worked for president bush, who is one of many americans who got played by vladimir putin, was he not? he said he was a reformer, trustworthy, looked into his soul. >> i think president bush could admit he was wrong about that, just like president obama would

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:39:00

admit that he was wrong, like, hey, give me a little room, and president trump may not admit that he was wrong but he was also wrong. president biden thinking against all odds that economic sanctions would work on you -- i think he should admit that he is wrong as. well we should all acknowledge, we got vladimir putin wrong. and now at the time he respects and understands strength, we've not shown that. president biden needs to show strength. -- masks are civilians. >> given we all got vladimir putin around, maybe we should not confidently declare that he will not use. nukes jamil jaffer, thank you for coming on, appreciate. it >> thank you. >> next, while russian sanctions are targeting people like hillary clinton and joe biden and jen psaki are largely symbolic, it's worth noting they did not sanction. the last president of the united states, donald j trump. i wonder why? that is next. that is next safelite makes it easy. >> tech vo: you can schedule in just a few clicks.

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:55:00

streak of aggression is to have vladimir putin finally out of power, only russians in russia can do that, needless to say. >> of course. brian, let me bring you in here, vladimir referred to a deranged dictator in russia, but is a dictator shock you believe he's fallen into? >> there is this long-standing myth of what is called-savvy or genius that's associated with strong men, and it's a myth. they fall into dictatorships because what they do is they try to create a fake reality, in order to conserve people today should be in charge, spread propaganda, etc. then they succumb to miscalculation because they believe that reality is actually true. vladimir putin has long been surrounded by yes men, who operate like bubble heads, who basically say yes to everything. those who say no to him and a purge. over 22 years you have cronies who will tell you your genius, you are savvy, and you're doing everything right. one of the other things that

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:52:00

he deflected, and accuse the west of, i kid you not, cancel russia and its culture. it's the same defense you see right wingers on twitter use, when they face consequences for their own behavior. cancel culture. unlike those other twitter trolls, vladimir putin has nuclear weapons. joining me now, vladimir carr meza, a russian opposition activist and former opposition -- he was poisoned twice, once in 2015, and once in 2017. those attacks were later tied to the russian federal security service, also with me tonight brian class, i don't associate professor of political science

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All In With Chris Hayes-20220317-00:59:00

i also want to say that i couldn't agree more with the went dr. cow skulls said, there's a reason they have term limits for leaders. use all sets of reality, you start to live in your own bubble. . we've seen the effects of this. for years and years, vladimir putin was a danger to us, to the people of russia. he is now a danger to the whole world, and he needs to be stopped. >> vladimir kara-murza and brian klaas, we'll have to leave it, there thank you for your analysis, that is all in on this wednesday evening, you can find me again on msnbc on my show the sunday night, with senator ben cardin of the foreign affairs committee will join me to talk ukraine from a pm eastern sunday right here on msnbc, the rachel maddow show starts right now with ali velshi. good evening ali. >> mehdi, thank, you have a good evening to you as well. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour, i'm in budapest hungry, the capital of

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