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The Rachel Maddow Show

we got the transcript. okay. quote, the deputy clerk, good morning, your honor. this is criminal case number 23-257, united states of america versus donald j. trump. counsel, please approach the lectern and state your appearance for the record. ms. gaston the prosecutor. good morning, your honor. molly gaston for the united states along with thomas windom. the judge, good morning. mr. laurel the defense lawyer. good morning, your honor. john laurel on behalf of president trump. with me is my partner greg singer and tomorrow blanche who has noticed an appearance as well as cocounsel for president trump. the judge, all right. good morning, everyone. we are here for a hearing regarding the parties' proposed trial dates. so this was the hearing today in federal court in d.c. to set a date for the trial of donald trump in one of the four

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public. please report those to law enforcement because of a heightened threat environment for politicians in georgia because, of course, there as lot going on in what dpournts the straight up normal news right now. in georgia, in the georgia case in which former president trump and 18 codefendants are charged with engaging in a criminal racketeering enterprise aimed at derailing the transfer of power and keeping trump in office despite him losing the election, today interestingly, we had kind of a mini trial of some of the claims that are at issue in that indictment. it wasn't exactly a dry run, because what happened today is potentially a really consequential thing in itself, but today in georgia, somewhat to everyone's surprise, we had trump's white house chief of staff mark meadows and georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger and other witnesses all testifying in an

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federal offense if the case were removed from state court. let's focus on number two was he acting within the scope of his federal authority? i think that is a hard thing for him to show. chiefs of staff do lots of things and the chief of staff to a president of course does lots of things. but this was a political effort to thwart a fair and free election. and if mr. meadows is going to get tripped up over anything, it's this notion that he was acting within the scope of his federal authority. so he has a plausible claim. it's not a frivolous claim. but i think the judge is going to be skeptical that he meets that second prong to show that he was acting in the scope of his federal authority. >> chuck, why is it that every smart lawyer in the country looking at the news today said that it was shocking that mark meadows decided to take the stand and testify let alone for

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meadows is seeking. we'll get that ruling eventually. if mr. meadows succeeds and the case does get moved to federal court does that mean the whole case is going to get moved to federal court, that all of the other defendants will benefit in the same way he is trying to here? >> great question. i don't think you have enough time in the show for me to explain all of the possibilities, rachel. but there's two answers. yes and no. there's one school of thought that said the other 18 defendants go with mr. meadows. if one goes they all go to put it simply. there is another school of thought and i think this is probably more likely that you would determine what happens to each defendant on his or her own merits. remember, some of them are not even federal officials. some of them wouldn't have any plausible federal defense in federal court. it makes more sense to me that you would determine each one on his or her own merits.

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trump is currently facing. along with trump white house chief of staff mark meadows is one of 19 people indicted on state level rico charges in georgia but meadows spent his day today not in the fulton county courthouse but in the federal court in atlanta because he is asking the federal court to pluck this trial out of state court in georgia and please hold it in federal court instead. why does he want that? well, all the 19 georgia codefendants including trump would probably prefer having their case go before a federal jury drawn from the whole northern district of georgia. they'd prefer that to going before a state jury that would be drawn just from blue fulton county. but how likely is it that meadows will get his wish here? how did he do in his five hours on the stand today? if he does succeed, if he does get his case moved out of state court and into federal court, would that mean that the whole georgia case, the whole rico case would all go to federal

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the defendant posts on social media about this case. he has publicly disparjd witnesses. he has attacked the integrity of the courts and the citizens of the district of columbia who make up our jury pool, and this potentially prejudices the jury pool. so under the speedy trial act your honor we need to find a time for trial. when? well as soon as the defense can reasonably be ready. so that is the judge saying, listen. the public has an interest in a speedy trial here. the prosecutor saying oh, yes they do. when the judge though attempts to have a discussion about what would be a reasonable amount of time for trump's defense lawyers to go through all the evidence, that was a very heated portion of today's hearing. the judge found herself repeatedly instructing trump's lawyer basically to calm down. quote, mr. laurel, defense counsel, this is a request for a show trial not a speedy trial and i'm sorry, your honor, to suggest for a federal prosecutor to suggest that we could go to

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the beginning of 2021. to propose trying this case over five years later risks the real danger that witnesses may become unavailable or their memories may fade. and while mr. trump has a right to time to prepare, the public has a right to a prompt and efficient resolution of this matter. this timeline does not move the case forward with the haste of the mob. the trial will start three years one month and 27 days after the events of january 6th, 2021. so march 4th. jury selection begins. here is one other thing judge chutkan said today i think is worth noting and actually worth getting some advice about. the judge said today, quote, i realize that mr. trump's criminal case in new york is scheduled for trial on march 25th. i did speak briefly with the new york judge to let him know i was considering a date that might overlap with his trial. she is explaining why she is picking this date noting it is up against the new york date but

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all day hearing that did kind of seem like a mini version of the georgia trial in that they hit a lot of the merits of that case. this today was all part of an effort to take that georgia case out of georgia state court and have it heard in federal court instead. we'll talk more about what that means coming up this hour and what we learned from that sort of mini trial in court today. we also got word today from the federal judge who is hearing trump's january 6th federal case in washington, d.c. we heard from her today that she wants jury selection to start in that trial the first week of march. that date is very interesting. it is also very soon. we also, though, in today's proceedings got a window into how that federal judge is going to conduct that case, how she is going to run that courtroom. she had, for example, a surprising and very specific warning for trump's defense team that we're going to get some expert help on tonight over the course of this hour. there is a lot going on. but because i do think we are prone to forget i think it is also important to not lose sight

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criminal trials he is currently facing. this is the case about him trying to falsify the election results. it's a federal case about that. what this means in practical terms is that this hearing today was basically the opportunity for trump's lawyers to defend their argument that they've already made to the court in print that trump's trial, federal trial trying to overturn the election results shouldn't start for another two and a half years. it shouldn't start until 2026. today was the hearing where they were going to defend that argument. today judge chutkan federal judge in d.c. made clear they are not going to get their 2026 wish but how she got there was kind of amazing. the judge, quote, now i want to note here that setting a trial date does not depend and should not depend on a defendant's personal and professional obligations. mr. trump like any defendant will have to make the trial date work regardless of his schedule. if this case for example involved a professional athlete it would be inappropriate for me

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five hours in this hearing? >> yeah, simply because he didn't have to, rachel. i mean, his side could have tried to meet their burden of proof and it was their burden of proof today by putting in affidavits or calling other witnesses. but remember, he is a defendant in a criminal case and so anything he says can be used against him in that case. that is pretty treacherous. it's one thing for him to answer questions from his own attorneys. that could be scripted. that could be prepped. that could be tested. it's another thing for him to answer questions on cross examination, which is precisely what happened. so if prosecutors got something valuable from his testimony today, they could use it against him in a criminal trial. that's what is surprising. that he took the stand at all when he actually didn't have to. >> the hearing today did not end with the judge ruling. the judge has to decide whether the case will be removed to federal court, which is what mr.

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