armies of lobbyists and lawyers? or does it work for all the people. now the house of representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. the house is about to vote on a budget deal, a deal negotiated behind closed doors, that would let traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our financial system. this is a democracy, and the american people didn t elect us to stand up for citigroup. they elected us to stand up for all the people. that s the bugle signaling charge. today the white house scrambled to contain the fod. just minutes before the scheduled vote, the white house took the dangerous move of taking direct aim at the warren wing of the party by declaring and campaign contributions, opening up the ÷÷ñaúfloodgates. first you give the keys to the bank and then you bail the banks out. we are not having that. i think the vote today shows that, shows the unity of the democratic caucus and republicans are going to have to go someplace else if this is the garbage they re going to put on the floor. it s both the quid and the quo, talking about corruption it s got money coming in to the democrats and republicans to pay for loopholes and shenanigans on wall street. senator warren took the floor again today to rally against the carve-outs for the big banks. here she is. a vote for this bill is a vote for future taxpayer bailouts of wall street. when the next bail-out comes, a lot of people will look back to this vote to see who was responsible for putting the government back on the hook to bail out wall street. why in the last minute, as you head out the door, and a spending bill must be passed, are you making it a priority to do wall street s bidding? who do you work for? wall street? or the american people? congresswoman edwards, i want to know what you see. you re the politician of the three of us. is this the future of the democratic party? z?jp go-along party that makes deals with the worst elements in our society and wall street? your thoughts? one thing the last election told us, it told us th!:[rñ amen people need to know we re prepared to get in there and fight for them, fight for their paychecks and their bank accounts. stop fighting for wall street and special interests. frankly, there s no question about it, this bill absolutely stinks. the american people know it. when i came into congress in i would never again vote to bail out big banks. while republicans in this congress take the american people down the bank road again. we will not do it. luke russert, it would take 50 or 60 votes to get this pass. who are your colleagues? what are they saying to you when they re voting for the bill? they would say this is a good bill go ahead, luke, i m sorry. they say it s a good bill because it leaves the democratic imprint on the funding through the rest of the fiscal year on everything with the exception of the department of homeland security. and they ll have the immigration fight in early march and the rest of the government is funded and they re not worried about shutdown politics. that s really their point. this is the best they can get before the super majority comes in next congress. however, what you do, you talk to other democrats who say, you know what, republicans have shown they have an awfully difficult time getting to 218 to fund the government on any priority. we re more than happy to go at it with them and go to the ring a few more times because it makes them look bad. i want to say one thing that i think is important when you talk about the future of the democratic party. when this was negotiated by harry reid, and the other preept reetors on the senator side with the house gop x)kyleadership, t reason why there wasn t a freak-out over the dodd-frank language because this thing passed in the house in october of 2013 with 70 democrats supporting it, including steny hoyer, the difference in campaign finances that was negotiated between reed, mcconnell, and boehner. what you re seeing tonight is the liberal wing standing up to something that was directly negotiated by reid and the white house, and was supported by them before. they re not taking it n)f . also, could there be another factor here? you ve lost both houses of congress now. you re the opposition on the hill. you re not worried about carrying the water on debt ceilings and all the rest and budget deals. you lost the house a while ago. you re losing the senate. is this a revolutionary spirit fueled by the fact, you don t have to run the show, you just have to drive your ideas? i think what s really clear, chris, is the fact is, the american people are expecting us to fight for them. they re depending on us to fight for them. we re prepared to do it. you know, if you look at that deal that was negotiated, i don t know that the white house frankly was clearly in the room on this. and clearly some deals were cut with mitch mcconnell because he s always wanted to raise those political campaign contribution limits. he wants to throw the individual limits out the window. but we can t let them. we can t let wall street walk away with the store, and on the other hand, give them the open keys to the government by allowing all these political contributions. and like i said, if the republicans really want a bipartisan bill over here in the house, they know they can get democratic votes, but they have to get it with a clean funding bill. thanks so much donna edwards and luke russert. coming up, guess who is defiant inzkw;o the face of the torture report? dick cheney. the man who once said we d have to work through the dark side. he s unapologetic about what the cia did. he said he d do it all over again in a minute. big surprise. that s ahead, this is hardball, the place for politics. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. chris christie, like many of the potential 2016 presidential candidates isn t talking about the torture report one bit. he refused to answer questions about it. now a new poll finds the people in his home state say they don t think he d make a good president. 53%, a majority of new jersey voters say government christie would not do well in the white house. of course it s a blue state. and even though christie is the strongest republican against hillary in the garden state, new hillary in the garden state, new jersey is still deep blue. a remote that lives on your phone. i think that what needed to be done was done. i think we were perfectly justified in doing it, and i d do it again in a minute. welcome back to hardball. former vice president dick cheney, he mingsed no words in his interview with fox news. describing his preferred approach to terror. here he is. he is in our possession. we know he s the architect. what are we supposed to do? kiss him on both cheeks and say, please, please, tell us what you know. no, of course not. we did what needed to be done to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and prevent a further attack. we were successful on both parts this report said it was not successful. this report is full of crap. director of harvard s project on public narrative and author of the 1% doctrine. and also former rnc chair michael steele. what do you think is in the makeup of a guy who dismisses all different opinions as crap? cheney will go to his grave denying everything that is very clear at this point. this is the moment they feared, that there would be an official inquest that would prove right everything people were saying. now it s happened and cheney is digging into his final position. he s in a shrinking country, cheneyland, that gets smaller and smaller. and even now you can hear him shooting at president bush as to who knew what. this is cheney s last stand. let me ask you about policy. i m a big believer, as mike dukakis said, the fish rots from the head. an old greek expression. whatever it is, i believe the boss sets the tone. i worked in politics for 15 years. when staffers did something, i knew the boss wanted it done, or they wouldn t be there. that s the operative. and i was one, an operative. you are the boss s guy. so when somebody says somebody at the cia did something, my view is, they were told to do it. what s your view? where did the water boording come from and all that stuff, how did it work its way down to the bowels or the dark place this came directly, chris, from bush and cheney, both of them. at the start, it was ordered by the president and the vice president. the cia didn t just wake up one day and say, hey, we re going to do a lot of extra legal and extraordinary things. it came from the white house. they were ordered to take off the gloves as the white house said right at the beginning. don t worry about what people say when they find out. go to the dark side. they were following orders. now, ultimately, the president and the vice president were briefed intensively about exactly what cia was doing from the beginning and throughout. bush was quite engaged in this as was cheney. they got regular reports, what is the yield of the interrogation, is it successful, is it not? both men are directly driving this. to the extent their cruelty involved, michael, essentially, torture, whatever you want to call it, there s torture, cruelty involved, you re hurting people, causing them pain and fear and all the mix of horrors you get in your mind when you re being tortured, where is it going to end, is it going to end with me ending, all that, did they do that with an attitude of we want to do this, we don t like these people, they are bad people, was it personal? ron? that s to you, ron. you bleeped out. the fact is, they engaged president bush only when things were made personal. cheney and bush viewed this as an affront to them personally, which was kind of the way bush was managed, the tapping of blood lust. this was about managing bush. by cheney, by others. but also doing what they felt need be done. don t worry about the consequences. of course cheney creates the 1% doctrine, that idea that we should do everything. everything essentially we can think of. don t worry about these issues of ends and means. now what we find is of course the worst nightmare, that not only was this morally reprehensible, cashiering america s moral authority, but it was of no value at all, which they were warned about at the beginning. you re sure of that? absolutely. we got nothing out of it? absolutely nothing of value that couldn t be got in a hundred other ways. but they didn t get it in a hundred other ways. let me have michael in here. i want to set this up politically. cheney isn t hiding. no, he s not hiding. cheney has never hidden. i think that s what frustrates a lot of people. he puts it out there and you have to deal with it. he makes it easy for you to unpack it, as he s done again. there s a lot that ron said that, i wasn t in the room, i don t know what s inside these men s hearts and heads. i do know how the process i do not think that the president and the vice president were sitting around over a cup of coffee saying, we re just going to start waterboarding, out of thin air. we know what the cia s business has always been about. this is nothing new. this is nothing transcendent in terms what the cia has done in terms of black ops. what about going into the dark areas of intelligence, we got to go back in there in the quiet, where there s no discussion absolutely. why is cheney saying to do that? why are we laying it out on the table? i want to make the point that came from the top. cheney exhibiting no moral qualms about the acts revealed in the report. let s listen. did the ends justify the means? absolutely. no doubt in your mind? no doubt in my mind, i m totally comfortable with it. doing his job there. cheney previewed the at any cost mentality. yet days after 9/11, let s listen. we also have to work the dark side, if you will, we have to spend time in the shadows, in the intelligence world. a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we re going to be successful. that s the world these folks operate in. and so it s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal basically to achieve our object. how do you read that? that s the way this works. don t blame it on the cia. it guy looks like he was ready to do it from the top. exactly. that s where the buck ultimately stops. you laid it out very well at the opening of the segment. that at the end of the day, it s going to start at the head. if there are good things that come from it, you re going to the head. that s how cheney saw this. this is all in the context of what happened post 9/11. this is that world that was created. again, we have a history. whether we re trying to go after castro in the kennedy administration they didn t do the job, did they? no, they didn t. or whether you re going after osama bin laden, it s the same type who is still the head of cuba right now? anyway, let s go back to ryan. what is it in cheney s being? what s in his head that makes him curl the lip and talk about torture and stuff like that with such delight and relish? what s that all about? cheney has always believed that tactics matter. he s arguably one of the finest tact itions at the top of government for many years. if cheney believes that his position cannot be challenged, as long as he digs in and doesn t flinch, he ll do that. that s where cheney is sitting at this point. many people are turning on him at this point. john mccain and others are saying, cheney s wrong. but cheney at this point will be the last man standing with this position if that s what it takes. that s what he s thinking about. history s record, i didn t flinch. and i think ron is absolutely right about that. that s the one thing about the man, he s consistent from the very beginning to this moment. and now one has to unpack that. i don t know about love, but in his view, all s fair in war. ron, thank you for being the expert. michael steele, thank you very much. up next, a hardball farewell to michele bachmann. we re going to the riddic lift, this is hardball, the place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. this is hardball, the for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar, ask your doctor about farxiga. it s a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. with one pill a day, farxiga helps lower your a1c. and, although it s not a weight-loss or blood-pressure drug, farxiga may help you lose weight and may even lower blood pressure when used with certain diabetes medicines. do not take if allergic to farxiga or its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include rash, swelling or difficulty breathing or swallowing. if you have any of these symptoms, stop taking farxiga and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, low blood sugar,kidney problems, and increased bad cholesterol. common side effects include urinary tract infections, changes in urination, and runny nose. do the walk of life yeah, you do the walk of life need to lower your blood sugar? ask your doctor about farxiga and visit our website to learn how you may be able to get every month free. mccarthyism to rule out anti-american lawmakers in the democratic caucus. how many people in the caucus are anti-american? you already suspect barack obama. is he alone, or are there others? what i would say is that the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out, are they pro-america, or anti-america. i think people would love to see an expose like that. backman was a vocal opponent of the president, attacking the affordable care act with a fervor. this egregious system that will be ultimately known as death care, must be defeated. it will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect. let s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. of course there were no death panels, but congresswoman bachmann rare let the facts get in the way of good fiction. he famously campaigned against vaccinations, making the unfounded claim that the hpv vaccination was unsafe for young women. i will tell you that i had a mother last night come up to me, here in tampa florida, after the debate. she told me that her daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and suffered from mental retardation thereafter. it can have very dangerous side effects. it was rated false after it was denied by the medical community at large. congresswoman bachmann liked to cite the founding fathers, but basic american history alluded her at times. when she claims that our founders were the ones who ended slavery. the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. remember how ben franklin won the civil war? anyway, at a campaign event, she mistakenly credited new hampshire as the site of the first battle of the american revolution. the love of new hampshire and what we have in common is your extreme love for liberty. you re the place where the shot around the world. the battle of lexington and concord as everyone watching knows, was in massachusetts. with that, we say farewell to the queen of the right wing clown car. up next, the director of the cia agency defends the agency in the wake of the report. the roundtable joins us in a minute. you re watching hardball, the place for politics. great job. (mandarin) cut it out. see you tomorrow. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. welcome back to hardball. two days after the release of that damning report by democratic senators and the senate intelligence committee, the director of the cia spoke to reporters today. he was asked whether the program put in place by the bush administration, did it work? which included torture, did it produce useful intelligence. here s what brennan said. there s no way, to know whether or not some information that was obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement, could have been obtained through other means. it s just an unknowable fact. so what the agency s point has been consistently and what certainly my view is, after having reviewed the documents, is that there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eits. whether that could be obtained without the use of the eits, is unknowable. michael steele, melinda henden berger and republican strategist hogan gitly. one question, is torture, any kind of torture right or wrong? should we do it? in my opinion? that s what i m asking for, should we do it? is torture really the act, or is it the motivation? we re trying to save the country from disaster and one guy that we know knows the answer to what s coming next, do we torture him? to get you the information you want do you think we should do it? i think you should do it. i m with my catholic church on this. they say it s an intrinsically evil act. so i say no, the ends never justify the means. it s always wrong. and i don t care if it gets you absolutely everything you want, the keys to the kingdom, which it does not. [ all speak at once ] our president says the same thing, this is not who we are as a country and i agree with that. so you wouldn t do it? 24 hours, explosion coming, you re not going to do it. your thoughts? are you with her? i ve got my intrinsically catholic view as well, but i side with hogan. i think the policy and personal implications beyond that one individual are too great. i think if you re in executive leadership in particular, you have to weigh it in totality. and yes, sometimes that requires you to do it. this is the justification in the church for things like just war. so you cannot say that, oh, if i torture that that s morally wrong, but if, you know, i bomb an entire village of innocent individuals that somehow that justifies the means that you re trying to achieve with the war. so what that requires is the moral leadership lays out the parameters and the political leadership has to wade itself through that, keeping its eye on those things that cross the lines, and you saw with the cia director, he was not he was not getting into the policy. that s not his job. his job is to do the implementation of that policy and those leaders that we entrust with the he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. have anything to do with what is done when the time comes? because when the time comines, president, a dick cheney, a barack obama, a george bush, whoever they are, has to make a decision how to save the country. they have to make a decision on the spot. we got this guy in custody. we know he knows. what do we do? mr. president, he s our only source of information right now. and you have to decide then whether to throw the rule book out. but how can it be a message to the world that we re no better than the terrorists we are fighting? and we are not isis. we don t do that. that s not who we are. [ all speak at once ] i don t think it s practical. are you against capital punishment? i am. see, these are values. i can appreciate that. i think capital punishment didn t work to deter crime in the same way torture doesn t work to i think there s a false argument here. i think it s too neat. it s convenient to believe it s actually not neat. it s so satisfying on an emotional level to say, let s do what it takes. but where s the proof that we got anything out of it? but see, you re trying to prove something that is not going to be fully disclosed in the course of any period of time. you re not able to say, we were able to do x, y, and z because we tortured this individual. it s just a false argument. he said it worked. but he leaves the caveat, we could have got it from somewhere else. but that was the view today. republicans wanted to hear brennan say, we got the information that got bin laden. they did, right? the democrats wanted to hear, we weren t sure if that really came from here, we just got the information. they heard that too. he said both things. so both sides are able to glom on to the points they want to use and use that politically, however they choose. it s not knowable to know if we could have gotten the same information, means it wasn t even a last resort. i mean, that to me, suggests that they didn t even try very hard otherwise to get that information. bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, guy hits a home run. you could say, somebody else could have done that. it s true. the pitcher could have hit a home run. the shortstop, the least likely. but you don t know. anyway, yesterday colorado senator mark udall gave a fiery speech on the floor of the senate, calling for president obama to purge from his administration people who were part of the cia s interrogation program, people like the director himself, john brennan. this is tough stuff for a guy on his way out. but here he is. torture just didn t happen afterall, contrary to the president s recent statement, we didn t torture some folks. real actual people engaged in torture. some of these people are still employed by the cia and the u.s. government. they are right now people serving in high level positions at the agency who approved directed or committed acts related to the cia s detention and interrogation program. it s bad enough not to prosecute these officials. but to reward or promote them, and risk the integrity of the u.s. government, to protect them, is incomprehensible. the best thing about our country, we talk about this in the open. i always talk about, when we were growing up, we had the space program. we said there s a guy on the board. before the ship took off, the russians, you never knew if the ship came down, blew up in the air, poor monkey, or not even that. we were honest and we think of ourselves as the good guys. we think of ourselves, but it s ten years later we re talking about this. we re talking about it and a lot of other countries never do. so what could will come of this hand-wrippinging, which i think is morally important? will it shorten the leash on future cias or not? i do know, when you re talking about this program, that the senate democrats, senate republicans knew about this. this wasn t new to them. they understood this. for them now to be outraged is a little disingenuous. now that we know about it, the program s over. it s been ended. what are the 2016 candidates going to say about it? because now it s in the forefront again? what torture will do is stop people from coming on the show and looking at the camera instead of looking at me. did you learn that at the virginia leadership school? i was in news before. okay, go ahead. well, the republicans are mostly, as i understand it, expressing outrage that it s out in the open now, even though the terrorists have been recruiting on this stuff for years. so i don t think cheney s making the case for it. how will this find its way into party platforms? will the democrats say we re against it? will republicans say, we re for torture? they re not going to say they re pro-torture. do you think cheney will actually say no, no. he is something. isn t he something? i think if anybody thumps their nose at this guy, i ve been through this, you take on cheney, and he wants to dismember you. anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. when we come back, the war on insurgen insurgency. this is hot for the democrats elizabeth warren leading the charge for the future of the democrat party. she wants them to be a populist party that keeps a tough rein on wall street. this is hardball, the place for politics. 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access hollywood video. jessica leeds told the times she was assigned the seat next to donald trump in first class on an airplane 35 years ago when donald trump was still flying on commercial airplanes. she said he politely introduced himself. but then after the meal was served and the trays were taken away, donald trump started putting his hands all over her and grabbing her. here is some of her video interview with the new york times. if he had stuck with the upper part of the body, i might not have gotten i might not have gotten that upset. but it s when he started putting his hand up my skirt, and that was it. that was it. i i was out of there. the other woman in tonight s new york times report is rachel crooks, who is 22 years old in 2005 when she was working as a receptionist in a company located in trump tower. here is how the times describes what happened the first time she saw donald trump in the building and introduced herself. they shook hands, but mr. trump would not let go, she said. instead he began kissing her cheeks. then he kissed me directly on the mouth. both women said that watching the presidential debate on sunday was infuriating, especially this moment. just for the record, though, you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? i great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. so for the record you re saying you never did that? frankly, you hear these things said. and i was embarrassed by it. but i have tremendous respect for women. have you ever done those things? and women have respect for me. and i will tell you, no, i have not. in a telephone interview with the new york times, donald trump said none of this ever took place. shouting at the times reporter who was questioning him. mar el lago in florida where she was working as a photographer s assistant. ray charles was performing. tasha dixon, a contestant in the 2001 miss teen, let me say that again, miss teen usa pageant said this today about donald trump. he just came strolling right in. there was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or something. some girls were topless. other girls were naked. to have the owner come waltzing in when we re naked or half naked in a very physically vulnerable position, and then to have the pressure of the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him. and tonight robert costa is reporting from washington post that donald trump intends to make good on his threat to the new york times. he says that donald trump s lawyers are drafting a lawsuit against the new york times that could be announced at any moment. and nancy giles, a lawsuit that still sort of seems like a he said-she said in a way. but these women did tell people contemporaneously what happened. we also have a pattern of behavior from trump that is pretty clear. the thing about these october surprise series that they re not surprising at all. right. donald trump issued a statement tonight in which he said the campaign anyway said to reach back decades this, by the way, please listen to every word of this. this is so ironic in light of what the trump campaign has been up to. to reach back decades in an attempt to smear mr. trump trivialized sexual assault. and it sets a new low for where the media is willing to go in its efforts to determine this election. maria teresa, that s the guy who reached back decades sunday night to invite women from decades ago in bill clinton s life to the debate. tonight the trump campaign says you must never, ever reach back decades. well, and he did it purposely to intimidate and humiliate his opponent in the most grossest of ways. because she could not control what happened 30 years ago that had nothing to do with her but her husband. that s what is absolutely obscene. but what donald trump has, his hardest part is actually taking ownership of when he does something wrong. the fact that we have types of him, decades long tapes of him going on howard stern, degrading women constantly, even making fun of how he actually can interact with his own daughter can make us feel uncomfortable. this is a pattern. this is who he is. if americans want to vote for him, let s be clear. this is the person who he there. is no plan b and there is no other donald trump. this is the person that we are seeing every single day. and most recently, lawrence, i think you saw he was at a pennsylvania rally, and he said look, you know that i m a snake. you voted me in. you nominated me. so he knows who he is. and now he realizes that it s women who are going to get him to the white house. i said this before. it s going to be ironic that now we have muslim american military family that is going bring him down. we have a latina beauty queen that is going to bring him down and women are going to bring him down. i want to read another piece of the statement because it is just breathtaking. he says it is absurd to think that one of the most recognizable business leaders on the planet with a strong record of empowering women in his companies would do the things alleged in this story. and nancy giles, this is the campaign that firmly believes catherine willie s story about bill clinton in the white house when he was rather recognizable as president of the united states. oh, yeah. if you re going with the unrecognizable guy won t do this theory, how do you explain what they re saying about bill clinton every day? you don t. because it doesn t make sense and it doesn t follow any kind of logic. i guess roger ailes could say the same thing about his network where he employees a lot of women and he is also you know, it brings up a couple of things for me. and i want to echo something maria teresa said. and that s how gross it is he tries to conflate his action was bill clinton s. i am in no way condoning anything bill clinton did. but hillary is the candidate. and there is something kind of sexist about him kind of bypassing her and going to bill as if there is anything going there that can balance his reckless actions. anybody that watches law & order knows that if you re a defense attorney, you re going to defend even people that have done horrible things. so what is he trying to say about hillary? he s got nothing to say about her, and any kind of actions she might have done that are equating to what he did. everyone should be reading this new york times piece tonight or tomorrow. but i want to read one passage of it. because it takes you into the life of someone who has this kind of thing happen to them. this is rachel crooks. and it s her boyfriend at the time who is describing what he came home to that night. he said i asked how was your day, mr. hackenberg recalled. she paused for a second and then started hysterically crying. after ms. crooks described her experience with mr. trump, she and mr. hackenberg discussed what to do. i think that what was more upsetting than him kissing her is she felt she couldn t do anything to him because of his position, he said. she was 22. she was a secretary. it was her first job out of college. i remember her saying i can t do anything to this guy because he s donald trump. and anna marie, that is one of the looks inside one of these horrible stories. i mean, i don t know where to begin. you brought me back, quite honestly. i mean, i have to say, i am very concerned for a lot of women out there. because i was brought back by that statement by something that happened to me when i was a young woman. i would be so shocked if the other two women you re speaking to haven t had something similar happen to them. something like that happened to me when i was young and i couldn t do anything about it. that is what happens to women. that is why this is so preposterous that if donald trump wants to go to war on this, this is such a different animal than what happened with bill clinton. for one thing, as we are saying, bill clinton is not running for office. for the other thing, donald trump is a predator. he is a predator who thinks that his so-called celebrity can allow him to do anything. there are women that want to show that s not possible there are women that want to say, no it doesn t allow you to do anything, and i m going to show you by voting against you. what i just want to follow up one thing with anna marie, and then i ll come to you. i want to hear you all on this particular point that i m about to ask. i want to go, anna marie, to this perception that mr. hackenberg, that her boyfriend had at the time. it was his perception in the passage i just read that he felt that she was more upset, more upset by the feeling of powerlessness after the fact than the actual moment in his company. i think that describes perfectly what happens for woman when this happens. in the moment, you actually have some physical agency unless it s somebody a lot bigger than you, which does happen. but you can kind of turn away run away. it s afterwards when you realize you can t do anything about it and if it happens again you also can t do anything about it. this is toxic. this is completely toxic for trump s campaign. he will not recover from this. maria teresa, please go ahead. this is the silver lining. people across the country are having these conversations with their husbands, with their spourks with their sons. these are the limitation. this is when you have to have consent. this is the only thing i think will actually bring to the top how pervasive this is in our culture, and the fact that no one is going to be getting away with it is i think fantastic. i have to applaud the athletes. the athletes have come out and said this is not wanter in the locker room. this is not acceptable. you actually see men coming forward and saying we have to stop this and making sure that women feel safe in their own agency. i have appreciated that so much, hearing the athletes saying what we talk about in the locker rooms are stocks and bonds. right. what the traffic was like on the way to work. and i also have to say how much i really hate that part of what is being said by his campaign is these aren t matters that interest women. this isn t what is important. women want jobs. yeah, they want jobs, but they want to feel safe in the workplace. they want equal pay, and they don t want to feel like someone in authority can bully them or sexual assault or harass them. so this is one of the most important things i think, one of the most important issues facing this country and facing the world, frankly. so i m glad that it s getting out there and getting some steam. we have a lot of video to get to tonight, and a lot of ground to cover. so we re going to have to go to a break in a moment. i just want to nancy has made the point that on howard stern, donald trump, and we don t have the time to play this right now. we re going to play it later in the show. donald trump bragged about the fact that he owns the beauty pageants and the teenage girl beauty pageants allows him to walk into the dressing room whenever he wants, to and he picks the time to walk in there that is most exploitive. and ana marie, we have that on video. that s another donald trump confession on video that he is joking about with howard stern, that he never thought was going to come back to him in his life. but there is the confession already on video for what he is accused of tonight. yeah, there it is. this is a pattern for him not just in the way he talks about women, but the way he talks about almost everyone. i know you have been very observant about this. probably the other women on this panel have been observant. he exploits whoever he can when he can. he thinks less of people who are not as powerful as him. that means women, minorities, people who are disabled. he manipulates and controls whoever he can. and he thinks he can get away with it. i think the stern stuff is just another sign of him thinking he get away with it. he was so open with stern because he thought it didn t matter. he thought his power and his celebrity and his money would allow him to say whatever he wanted. go ahead, maria. he also and it s not just women and minorities and people of color. it s also small businessmen. right. anybody he feels that he can trample with and basically get away with it. there was a piece where a man who sold him $100,000 worth of pianos and came back and said sorry, i m just going to give you 70,000. the idea that he is above the law. he understands tax code enough to write these things off is really it s not only unappealing. wait a second, you have learned how to play the system so well that you feel you don t have to be accountable to anybody. i think that this 18-month cathartic exercise we ve been doing with donald trump is actually very good. because we actually now can have conversations on when people talk about white male privilege, he is the epitome of that. nobody else would be able to get away with what he is doing. hillary clinton is taking the stage in las vegas. we will go to her as she gets into that speech. but i just want the make the point, nancy, that donald trump has always thought this is funny. that s what you see on the tape with billy bush. it s funny. he thought it was funny with howard stern. and it s not funny. to echo what ana marie just said, not only it is not funny, but it s rude. it s disgusting. and he has gotten away with it. that s the thing. he continues to get away with it. so i think it encourages him to exhibit the same behavior as he gets way with it again and again and again. and it is not locker room talk. as if even if it was just talk, it wasn t a painful, horrible thing to lobby at someone. but locker rooms across the country have said nah-ah, we don t talk about that. i was in a lot of sports. i have never heard anybody, and i know a bunch of crude guys. and i have never heard anybody brag about sexual assault, ever, nothing like what that guy was talking about on that bus. and the rush limbaugh today discovered that the problem and he really did discover this today. he said the problem is consent. ana marie, he said the only thing liberals care about in terms of sexual behavior is consent, that liberals are okay with everything else, as long as it s consenting adults. and rush limbaugh didn t realize that yes, that is correct that is precisely the position. as rush is thinking there are all these other things that should be condemned like homosexuality and all these other things, the only things they seem to care about is sent. and he was offended. i. i think and there is a silver lining here. i remember i actually heard rush limbaugh say that live. i happened to be somewhere where he was on. he did say this in this astonished voice. another person could read that same statement much as you did and it s a statement. whereas he was shocked by it. it s really stunning. nancy giles, maria teresa kumar and ana marie cox, thank you all for joining us. i appreciate it. thank you, lawrence. we re going to continue monitor hillary clinton at that speech in las vegas, and continue with more of our guests joining us. i think he is a very dangerous man for the next three or four weeks. those interest words of the reporter who has been covering donald trump longer than anyone else. wayne barrett was the first reporter to take on the myth of donald trump in the village voice way back in the 1970s. donald trump tried to stop wayne barrett every way he could think of, including trying to bribe him and threaten him. but wayne barrett stayed on the trump beat and paved the way for so much of the investigative journalism that has been done on donald trump since then. we re joined now exclusively by wayne barrett, the author of trump: the greatest show on earth, the deals, the down fall, the reinvention. also joining us david corn and msnbc political analyst. wayne, i ve been wanting to talk to you about this for a long time. and just the simple question. as donald trump said or done anything in the last year of this campaign that has surprised you? grabbing the pussy surprised me. even those words come out of his mouth. and i was a little stunned by that, lawrence. it s great to be here with you. certainly the stories of today do not surprise me. this ability to roam the earth looking for someone to grab is not surprising at all, but saying i grabbed them by the pussy, that surprised me. and wayne, you knew him and were covering him before his big rise to fame, and certainly before he had his own tv show. do you sense that giving donald trump his own tv show, that was a kind of heroin for him, that it took all of his worst traits and amplified them? yes. i think his worst trait obviously he objectifies women. but what he really has done is objectify himself. that s why he talks about himself like trump. trump did this, trump did that. the process of objectifying yourself is totally connected to the camera. because that s his that s his lifeline. and i really think that one of the reasons he tweets at 3:00 a.m. is because there is no camera around to talk to. so the camera has become the camera has become his lifeline. and he has turned himself into an object, which is basically the great story of his life. d it s it s as if he is so disconnected from human emotion other than anger, he is so disconnected from human any form, including the children. i mean art of the deal he mentions them once in his first memoir. tony schwartz who wrote it said they were never around and he never talked about them and never interacted with them. of course they didn t live with them. ivanka was 8 when they moved out. and yet he gets great credit for raising these kids. but they haven t been close to until they could make money in his company. and so i think that the disconnect between him and the life most of us live is really profound and deep. and i want to bring david corn in for a second. david, i just wanted to read a report from bloomberg today that says bannon, steve bannon told trump staffers according to advisers who are present, this has nothing to do with consensual sexual affairs and infidelity. this is bill clinton. we re going turn bill clinton into bill cosby, meaning that s why they re not using any of the women who were allegedly involved in consensual affairs with bill clinton. they are simply using the ones who say that bill clinton behaved with them the way donald trump admits to behaving on that access hollywood video. you know, i was talking to some trump people over the weekend before the new allegations emerged. and we were just talking about the video. and they said trump has only one play, to go nuclear. and the interesting thing to me is the only nuclear play that they saw was attacking bill clinton for behavior from 20, 30, 40 years ago that had been reported, litigated, that, you know, only marginally is connected to anything you can say about hillary clinton when you had to know, this is not a surprise that donald trump was as vulnerable or somewhat is vulnerable on this front. even before these women came out. there have been already cases that had been published in the guardian, the new york times and elsewhere where these allegations against donald trump. and i think wayne makes a great point about trump objectifying himself. trump is a commodity. he is a brand. he is not a human being in a lot of ways it seems. and that s how he has been selling himself. and he seems oblivious to anything that goes on in the world outside of his own concern with his own brand, his own commoditification. and therefore i could easily see him running to wage the very type of attack that he would be vulnerable. to one last point. i wrote a story a couple of months ago that he that people around him in the start of his campaign wanted to have a vetting of him. have opposition research conducted on trump, which is kind of common for most national campaigns. he said no. now we know why. wayne, i have to say, you know sorry. we re going go live to hillary clinton now, her speech. well, he has doubled down. he doubled down on his excuse that it s just locker room talk, and i got to tell you, after he said that in the last debate, the most amazing thing happened. athletes and coaches started speaking out. from the nba, from major league baseball, from the nfl. they re coming forward and saying hey, not in our locker rooms. that s not what happens. but he is not just insulted women. he is an equal opportunity insulter. he has insulted everybody. he insulted a distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana, and he said well, he couldn t be trusted to be a judge because his parents came from mexico. he has targeted immigrants, african americans, latinos, people with disabilities. he has targeted p.o.w.s and muslims. he has also targeted our military. he has called our military a disaster. now how can you be the commander in chief if you don t respect the men and women who serve in the united states military? i think he has shown us who he is. now the question for all of us is who we are, right? what are we going to do to show i want to go back to wayne barrett as hillary clinton continues her speech there in las vegas. wayne, a point i wanted to make is i had consistently predicted that donald trump would not run for president. and i was right every time, except the last time. and the reason i was saying that is that i had been reading your reporting of back i guess when i just got out of high school. and all the reporting about donald trump in the meantime. and i saw what was there. and just your reporting alone is an opposition file unlike we ve ever seen on a presidential candidate. and i just i know donald trump knows that it s out there. i just couldn t imagine him leaping into this. were you surprised that he decided to run for president finally? yes, i was. but keep in mind even when this video emerged, part of the trump defense has been well, he wasn t running for president. yeah, yeah. and so he said and did reckless things. in fact, he ran for president for four months in 2000. roger stone ran that campaign. he tried to get the reform party line. he pulled out. and as i wrote in the book in 1988, he was flirting with it. he referred to marla as his southern strategy. he didn t think ivana would be presentable in a national campaign. and he thought that marla maples could help him carry the south. patiently he doesn t need marla to carry the south now. race will do it for him. but he has been talking about this, thinking about this. roger stone, who has been with him for 30 some years the night he was nominated, posted that this was a celebration of over 30 years of work together. and so they ve been thinking about this. and yet he would still behave while he was considering being a 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ly. do it right. we re continuing to monitor hillary clinton s speech in las vegas. these are her first public remarks since the new allegations have come up tonight against donald trump. the behavior that donald trump admitted to on the access hollywood video that appeared on friday is tonight being corroborated by several home with have come forward today to say that he did indeed touch them and kiss them without their consent. let s take a look at what donald trump admitted to in that access hollywood video. use tic tacs in case i start kissing her. i m automatically attracted to beautiful. i just start kissing them. it s like a magnet. you just kiss. and when you re a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. whatever you want. grab them by the [ bleep ]. do anything. joining us now, michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and an msnbc analyst. also with us tim miller, a member of the never trump movement and a former communications director for jeb bush s 2016 campaign. gentlemen, i d like to listen to what is now a more relevant tape than it was even yesterday. and that is we re going to hear donald trump with howard stern admitting that he does indeed when he owned those beauty pageants and the teenaged beauty pageants, he would indeed walk in deliberately on the girls when he knew they were undressed. let s listen to this. well, i ll tell you the funniest is that i ll go backstage before a show and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everywhere else. and you know, no men are anywhere. i m allowed to go because i m the own over the pageant. i m inspecting it. is everyone okay? they re standing there with no clothes. is everybody okay? and you see these incredible looking women. and so i sort of get away with things like that. michael steele, it s only october 12th. yeah. which means we don t yet know what the october 13th surprises are or the 14th or the 15th. yeah. no, there is clearly a lot more to come. there as you noted earlier, lawrence, a long history here that has been reported on. and now in light of these new accusations as well as what we got from last friday, i think this funnel opens up. and it s a huge, huge problem for the party. it is a huge problem for the campaign. there is no walking around this gingerly. there is no putting a good face on it. this has been dealt with, confronted directly. and i don t know how this party or the campaign does that. i just want to play something john boehner said earlier this evening where he basically was on fox news saying he didn t see how this could get worse. let s listen to this. what more could be said? in this election cycle than has already been said? so you seem to think that we kind of already know what donald trump is all about, and that nothing further could come out that would make any difference? it can t be any worse, could it? well, that s a good question. what do you think? i don t think so. and tim miller, that was minutes before the new york times posted this story tonight of these two women coming forward saying yes, he did to us what he says he did on that access hollywood video. i love speaker boehner, but this line of thinking was way, way too common within the party. and donald trump told us all we needed to know last year. the very first question of the very first debate was megyn kelly to donald trump going through all of the nasty, demeaning, harsh, cruel comments he had said about women over the course of his life. and obviously worse and lower comments have come to light since then. but we knew that. and a lot of washington leaders, including speaker boehner unfortunately said oh, ted cruz is the devil. he can t be that much worse than ted cruz. now we re stuck with this guy. and it s a major, major problem for our party. and it s going to be something we have to rebuild from for years to come. gentlemen, if you can bear with me, we want to try to fix our break structure here. so we re going 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has a report on a december 2005 incident involving a people magazine writer natasha stoinoff. she is driving what it was like for her when she was working on a story in 2005 that brought her to mar el lago and donald trump. there came a moment where she found herself alone in a room with donald trump. people magazine carries this account from natasha stoinoff breaking what happened. she said we walked into that room alone and trump shut the front door behind us. i turned around and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. i was stunned and i was grateful when trump s long-time butler burst into the room a minute later as i tried to unpin myself. the butler informed us that melania would be down momentarily. and it was time to resume the interview. we re back now with maria teresa kumar who has rejoinedteresa, w the october 12th surprises continue almost by the minute. here is people magazine, obviously this has been a legally vetted, carefully legally vetted report. they would not publish it without that. reporting that this reporter alone with donald trump at mar el lago with melania his wife upstairs, and donald trump shut the door behind us. i turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. that is precisely what he said to billy bush was his modus operandi. it s what he tried to do with the woman on the airplane and the receptionist. this is clearly a pattern. but your just reading that statement, lawrence was gut-wrenching. i can t imagine any viewer right now not even in tears or feeling uncomfortable. he is taking us to a very dark place. and the fact that these women are sharing their bravery with us of sexual assault, i have to applaud them. because it s something that cannot be easy. and it s finally giving voice to so many people out there that feel that they have been alone for so long. and i feel that this is we re on october 12. but not only is this a pattern, but i can expect more. and hopefully things that are not more ruthless on his ability to prey on women. and i just want to read another passage in this. it s a long report. i just want to stress, this is people magazine. that means this has been vetted by very high powered corporate lawyers who know exactly where the libel laws protect them and where they don t. they are lawyers completely unwilling to take the slightest risk with this kind of report. she says that an hour later, i was back at my hotel. my shock began to wear off and was replaced by anger. i kept thinking why didn t i slug him? ana marie was saying the same things. when women get into places where they re vulnerable, you end up feeling that you did something wrong. and that is precisely what a predator wants you to do. that s about what someone that basically practices sexual assault wants you to do. but again, i cannot put my arms around any republican that can possibly stand by his side. this is not leadership if they continue feeding this monster and saying he is okay and fit to be president. the fact that he preys on the most vulnerable, that he encounters, you can only imagine what he would do not only to the rest of the country, but now the world. there was j.r.rowling said a tweety she did want his hand on the nuclear weapons and someone said but you re not an american. but i m the world. a country which is incredibly diverse, which thrives on entrepreneurship and thought and differences. a loug someone who has clearly shown his stripes to us from the very beginning to come in and try to basically distort and destroy our balance of power. he has been a ruthless going more recently as you mentioned earlier, threatening the new york times for suing him on a story that is clearly increasingly validated, being a predator towards women. the fact that he went after a federal judge saying that once he is in office, he would basically strip him from his judgeship, and going after hillary clinton saying if he wins that she is basically going to be put in prison for a political opponent. this is not america. this is much more closely tactics that you see in russia. and something of a dictator such as putin that many folks in russia would agree than something that is done by a person running a country that has checks and balances, that has a judicial branch, that has a congressional branch, and that has the oval office. and anna ma marie, there is here about this reporter s reaction to this natasha stoinov is her name. and i just wanted to read some of it. it s too difficult to read some of it. she said why didn t i slug him. why couldn t i say anything? the next morning anger became fear. i had been up all night worrying about this. and ana marie cox, the pain that s being expressed in the aftermath of these incidents is so deep. and it s hard to read. oh, we don t have ana marie cox. nancy giles here with news the studio. this is the part where you ve seen me trying to read this. it isn t easy. it s awful, it s awful. as woman who has grown up in new york and has lived through kind of rude things that guys can sometimes say in the street, construction workers, being on a packed subway and feeling somebody pressing up against you, they re bad enough. what these women are describing is just god awful. and, you know, i can only repeat and agree with what the other two women on the panel have said. it almost doesn t seem like america. you wonder how somebody that started his campaign with such horrible things said about mexicans and the accusations, the claims that all black people are dodging bullets and living in hell and taking a judge, with his own ego and his own remarks kind of coming back to choke him, it s almost shakespearean because his ego in the end and his need to be on tv and on the radio and throughout and publicized, and a big important person, those are the exact words that are going to come back. and actions i think will haunt him. we re to be take a break. we re waiting for donald trump s threat to sue people magazine over this report. he has already threatened to sue the new york times. the times article, the people article, those articles are vetted by the very best lawyers that exist in this country. the likelihood of there being an opening for a libel suit against either one of these articles is very unlikely. we ll be right back. [click] and move only when you hear thelick th says they re buckled in for the drive. never give u till they buckle up. statement from an unnamed spokesperson of the trump campaign saying, quote, this never happened. there is no merit or veracity to this fictional story. why wasn t this reported at the time? mr. trump was the biggest star on television, and surely this would have been a far bigger scoop for people magazine. she alleges this took place in a public space with people around. this is nothing but politically motivated pile-on fiction. of course there is a lie in the trump statement. she does not say it took place in a public place. she specifically describes the door being closed. and no spokesperson at the trump campaign has any authoritative capacity to say, nancy giles, this never happened. how do you know? you weren t there. you know what i think has really brought it out is there he was at the debate, asked specifically about this. and at the debate, with millions of people watching on television, he said he never did it. and i think for anyone who was in a situation where he did grab or grope or anything like that, it must have been like a slap in the face. like the whole thing being experienced again. and i think that s why you re going to have more and more people coming out saying this happened to me. tim miller still with us, republican campaign professional. tim, is there anything they won t do for money over there at trump tower? is there anyone on that payroll of the trump campaign that when they read a story like this refuses to say this never happened? is there anyone there who knows none of them have the moral authority to make that statement? no. look, with the exception of one or two people, all these folks were hired after the convention this summer. kellyanne conway is the third campaign manager. she saw all of the op about donald trump over the last year. she saw all the nasty comments he made about women. she saw all the nasty comments he made about the disableded and hispanics and veterans. all of these people are completely, you know, in league with him and enabling him. so now they re going to have to spend the next 27 days either in hiding or continuing to put out statements like the one that you just read that lies and defends him. i don t understand what they get out of it at this point. michael steele, i guess there is just a template over there for this never happened press release to put out for whatever the next accusation is that comes out. well, yeah. they re kind of used to it by now. kind of roll it off the desk and put it out there. you know, that statement i suspect probably came probably from trump himself to say it, even though it was anonymously given. that s how they can say that. but the fact of the matter is this is just the beginning of the floodgates. you put it i think very aptly, lawrence. you know, what is tomorrow, the 13th going to offer us? what is going to be the surprise on the 14th? this is not a good space for anybody in the country. it s particularly the party in this campaign. someone is going to have to put an end to it. and the only person who can do that is donald trump. and david corn, any other women out there who had been thinking about maybe telling their stories when they see other women coming out, that can only be possibly an encouragement or possibly give them the sensation that, well, at least they re not alone if they do tell this story? every reporter who has worked on the trump beat the last year has gotten tips and leads about women and this sort of treatment. it s not a secret. and as we ve seen in the bill cosby case, the once people start coming forward, there tends to be more, not less of that. but i got to say for all those republicans out there, anybody who may be surprised, this guy for years has shown his misogynistic, racist, bullying, bigoted side. so a person like that engaging in this sort of behavior really comes as nothing other than in keeping with everything we know about him for years. and so all those conservatives who are still on the trump train and the people in congress, you guys knew. you gals knew. and there is absolutely no excuse. i salute people like tim miller. i disagree with him on almost everything else for knowing that character counts and you can see what type of guy trump was from a mile away. maria teresa, let me get a quick last word from you on this. i think it s exactly what david corn is saying. how can we as americans actually stand by and allow this person basically a free pass? every single woman that is coming out, if you notice, it s the exact same pattern. and my hope is that those women keep coming out and that they re brave and they keep having these conversations. but also we recently did a posted something on voto latino
and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. so the wheels are coming off a little bit. if the wheels are not yet off you are starting to hear the start of lug nuts stripping their threads and pinging across lanes of traffic while the wheels start to wobble. there s a bit of a freakout in washington and we re seeing it on two big stories developing tonight. why is it always friday night? one of these two stories tonight, developing tonight that shows this freakout, one of them is about the administration itself, the other one breaking tonight appears to be about the prospect of investigation into the administration. press, we the citizens of the united states know about the content of communications with the russian government? michael flynn was reportedly exposed as having lied about the content of his calls to the russian government because u.s. law enforcement or u.s. intelligence agencies were listening in on at least one call that was recorded and then transcribed. we have seen quotes and various newspapers from multiple officials who say they have seen the transcripts, the transcripts from michael flynn talking to a russian government official. even though the transcripts have never been leaked or published, we have been told what s in them. we have been told, it s been reported, that the transcripts show that mike flynn discussed u.s. sanctions on russia. everybody though he lied and said he didn t. we still don t know and this is going to end up being important we still don t know why michael flynn s calls with a russian official were reported and transcribed by u.s. officials. if it was routine surveillance of foreign government officials in the united states, they always listen in on the russians. okay, that makes sense why a russian government official would have been recorded and had his communication transcribed but that kind of routine surveillance should not have included anything involving an american person. it was an official under routine surveillance, any american getting on the line, that should not be included in that surveillance because americans cannot be surveilled just because they happen to speak with foreign officials. if it was done under a fisa warrant, we would expect any person captured in the communication would be what they call minimized, would be excised out of the communication, wouldn t be recorded or transcribed, we would haven t access to what that u.s. person said. a communication involving a u.s. person is a different thing legally speaking than a communication involving just foreigners. why do we have access to what flynn and a russian official were talking about? if there was a warrant out on michael flynn himself and that s why the call was being recorded, well, that would explain why we ve got a recording and a transcript of what mike flynn said when he was talking to a russian official, but there s been nothing to indicate that mike flynn was the subject of a criminal warrant or the subject of a national security warrant, a fisa warrant which in that case you d only be able to get because you suspected him of something very serious like espionage. we haven t seen anything that would indicate that there were warrants taken out to surveil mike flynn specifically. so that s one of the big things that s still to be determined here. one of the things we need to understand if we are going to know what has happened to our government and what s going on with this new presidency and particularly the russian connection. we still don t know the circumstances of how u.s. law enforcement or intelligence agencies came to be monitoring and recording and transcribing calls between russian officials and mike flynn during the transition. if you are waiting for shoes to drop in this particular news environment, that one s like a big freaking logging boot that will fall off a ten-story window sill at some point. wear a hard hat. we are still waiting for an explanation of that and we don t have one. the other part of michael flynn s firing that never made sense, though was its timing. mike flynn reportedly had multiple conversations with russian government officials during the presidential campaign which, of course, is when russia was interfering in our presidential election to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump, his multiple communications with russian officials, those also remain unexplained. what was he talking to the russian government about while the russian government was attacking our election? i would love to know. that said, further non-explained data here, michael flynn apparently continued his communications with russian officials beyond the campaign past election day and into the transition. his conversations with the russian ambassador that led to his firing happened during the transition. they happened in late december around christmas and new year s. two weeks after that on january 15 the vice president, mike pence went on tv and assured the american public that michael flynn definitely didn t talk to the russians about sanctions during the transition. let me ask you about it. it was reported by david ignatius that the incoming national security adviser michael flynn was in touch with the russian ambassador on the day the united states government announced sanctions for russian interference with the election. did that contact help with that russian kind of moderate response to it? that there was no counter reaction from russia? did the flynn conversation help pave the way for that sort of more temperate russian response? i talked to general flynn about that conversation. they didn t discuss anything having to do with the united states decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against russia. what i can say is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time the united states took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions. but that still leaves open the possibility that there might have been other conversations about the sanctions. i don t believe there were more conversations ant okay, let s move on. i can confirm that those elements were not part of that discussion. what mike pence said there was not true. we now know that michael flynn did discuss sanctions with the russian government even though mike pence said he didn t. so there are two possible ways to explain that. one is that, you know, vice president mike pence was knowingly lying. he was straight up lying. he knew what flynn had actually done but he lied about it on tv. that s one possibility. that s a very dark possibility. the other possibility is that mike pence thought he was telling the truth. he thought he was telling the truth but because michael flynn fed him a b.s. story, mike pence innocently relayed that b.s. story to the american people as if it was true even though he wasn t in on the real facts of the matter. that latter story is what the white house decided to go with vice president mike pence would never knowingly lie to the american people, he passed on what mike flynn told him. that s the story from the white house. mike pence made those comments on tv january 15. 11 days later, january 26, the then acting attorney general of the united states sally yates, we now know, she went to the white house with apparently the information gleaned from those transcripts, those recordings of michael flynn s calls talking to the russians. she brought that information to the white house and said basically hey, what you ve been saying about how mike flynn was communicating with the russians and what he was and wasn t talking to the russians about, what you ve been saying is not true. mike flynn did talk to the russian government about the sanctions. and we know because we heard it and then we wrote it down. what does not make sense here, what has never made sense here is what happened after that visit from the department of justice. avenue that visit from the acting attorney general because what happened next after she told them mike flynn was, in fact, talking about sanctions when he talked to the russians. what happened next after she told him that was nothing. from january 26 all the way through the end of january all the way through the end of the first week through february, to february 13 the white house did nothing in response. their line for why they had to fire michael flynn on february 13 is that they were so outraged that michael flynn lied to mike pence. look at mike pence. how dare you lie to him? how could you lie to somebody like that? they were so outraged they had to fire michael flynn but they found out about michael flynn supposedly lying to mike pence almost three weeks before. and it apparently took three weeks to start bothering them so much. it didn t bother them until it hit the news and then everybody found out that mike pence had talked about sanctions with the russian ambassador and had been lying about it, that s when they finally fired mike flynn. it s never made sense in the white house account of what happened to michael flynn and how he was fired and why he was fired. it has never made sense that the reason he had to go was that he lied to mike pence and nobody lies to mike pence and gets away with it. the white house sat on the news of that lie for three weeks, did nothing about it before they finally got dragged into firing him because of public exposure. the only thing that makes sense is that his lies got finally publicly exposed. so why did it happen that way? what what they re saying makes no sense. why did it happen for real? why did they stick with mike flynn for so long even when the department of justice came to them and said he s lying and unless mike pence is in on the lie, he s apparently lying to mike pence, he s lying to the vice president and in terms of what he s lying about, remember, the department of justice told the white house they thought michael flynn as national security adviser might be vulnerable to russian blackmail. still they held on to him for another three weeks. they held on through a lot of embarrassing stuff. there was a profoundly negative bipartisan reaction to him being appointed a top national security adviser to the campaign and them even more so to him being appointed actual national security adviser to the president. for somebody with such a distinguished military career, everything else about what mike flynn i don t mean it in the a mean way it was embarrassing. his online statements, the tweets he deleted, the ones he didn t, his son who he employed at his consulting business who was embarrassing enough and extreme enough that he has the rare distinction of being one of the only people ever fired from the trump apparatus for being too embarrassing even for these folks. michael flynn never had an explanation for why he took tens of thousands of dollars from the russian government through russian state-owned television. he never had an explanation for what he was doing not only taking their money but sitting next to vladimir putin at that gala dinner for russia today and standing up and applauding putin at the end of putin s speech, giving him a standing ovation. leading the standing ovation for putin. then there was michael flynn being on the payroll for a foreign government while he was on the campaign during the transition. and that point, him being on another government s payroll, lobbying for another government while he was in the white house, right? while he was just transition official, while he was running that point is what has really sent the lug nuts skittering off the wheels in washington tonight. on election day, while michael flynn was serving as the top national security advisor to the republican candidate for president, michael flynn published this over-the-top op-ed in the hill newspaper. the op-ed praised the authoritarian leader of turkey. it also called for the heads of his dissidents and opponents. it was weird at the time. the timing itself was weird because it was on election day but the content was weird and within days, the daily caller and politico confirmed this weird op-ed makes sense, he wasn t just writing that out of the goodness of his heart, actually michael flynn s consulting group is being paid to represent the interest of the government of turkey retired general michael flynn in the running for a top national security post in the new administration runs a consulting firm that is lobbying for turkish interests. this wasn t like a rumor or like a secret. the daily caller reported it, politico reported it, cnn reported it, the a.p. reported it, bloomberg reported it. on the 11th of november some dumb cable show did a big long story at the top of the hour at 9:00 eastern on msnbc. it was widely publicly known and discussed that michael flynn and his consulting company were taking money to represent the turkish government. they were lobbying for the turkish government s interests. while he was the top of the national security apparatus in the trump transition, while he was advising trump on national security matters, he was taking that money, he d been on the turkish payroll during the presidential campaign. well, now this week finally mike flynn has finally retroactively registered with the justice department as a foreign agent. he has admitted that he took hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby for the government of turkey last year between august and november. but again this filing is retroactive. he s not filing now to say he s about to start taking noun lobby for the turkish government. he s filing now to report that he was lobbying for the turkish government last year while he was also working for trump. now, the white house said today that president trump had no idea, no idea that michael flynn was an agent of a foreign government while he was advising the trump campaign and leading the national security part of the trump ran the sigts and honestly while he was sitting in on the presidential daily brief and all of the other things he did as part of the trump effort. maybe amazingly that s true that president trump had no idea michael flynn was a foreign agent while he was doing that because maybe the president consumes no news and information that is publicly available to the rest of us, maybe he didn t notice anything on cable news, maybe he didn t notice anything on the daily caller or the a.p. or cnn or bloomberg or any of it, just didn t notice. but you know, just a week after we did that big segment that we did on michael flynn working for a foreign government, one week after that democratic congressman elijah cummings wrote to the trump transition team to formally alert them to these credible news reports that the top national security adviser was lobbying for turkish interests. notification from congress and now today the associated press has confirmed that the transition team beyond the letter from elijah cummings, beyond the news coverage and public discussion, the transition team was formally notified by michael flynn s lawyers during the transition that he was on the payroll of a foreign government. lawyers for flynn told trump transition team that flynn might need to register as an agent for a government foreign power. so even if you believe that president trump never heard any of this, how did you find out about this crazy story? oh, it was in the a.p.? even the president had no access to that publicly available information we know for certain the white house is tonight confirming that even if they re still saying the president didn t know they re confirming the transition knew. the transition team was informed at the highest levels that michael flynn maybe needed to register as a foreign agent. even if you don t even if the president somehow was completely immune to this information, the white house confirms the transition knew. that the head of the transition was informed. who is the head of the transition? an incredibly honest looking gentleman named mike pence. michael flynn has filed with the department of justice as a foreign agent for making more than $500,000 as a lobbyist for turkey. your reaction to that considering that doesn t that mean mr. vice president that even if he didn t lie to you about what the russian ambassador said or didn t say, that you would have had to fire him anyway? well, let me say hearing that story today was the first i heard of it and i fully support the decision that president trump made to ask for general flynn s resignation. you re disappointed by the story? the first i heard of it and i think it s an affirmation of the president s decision to ask general flynn to resign. first of all, bret baier at fox asks the question perfectly. he lays it out, lays it out accurately, let me get your reaction. basically saying is this not a significant scandal involving general flynn? how does mike pence respond to that? play that bit again. well, let me say hearing that story today was the first i heard of it. that was not actually the question you were asked. but nobody asked when you heard of it but twice mike pence volunteers that this is all news to him. you re disappointed by the story? it s the first i heard of it. it is impossible this is the first time mike pence has heard of it. mike pence was the head of the transition. all of those stories about michael flynn on the payroll of turkey, he was the head of the transition when michael flynn was being vetted for the national security adviser job, he was the head of the transition when congress formally notified the head of the transition that michael flynn appears to be on a foreign government s payroll. he was the head of the transition when michael flynn s personal lawyers came and told the head of the transition that michael flynn maybe needed to register as a foreign agent and now mike pence s explanation to this whole story inexplicably is he s never heard any of this. let me say hearing that story today was the first i heard of it. that cannot be true. there is something wrong in this story. there s something wrong here. it s one thing to pick somebody manifestly unfit for the job of national security adviser to be national security adviser, that s one thing. it s another thing if you bring somebody on board to a top national security position while they re also on the payroll of a foreign government and you either don t notice or don t care and you have them sit in on the president s daily brief and you have them receive and deliver intelligence briefings while another government is paying them to represent that foreign government. that s a second-level scandal here. but it s a third level of scandal when you start making utterly implausible denials that you had any knowledge of this thing that not only happened in plain view but you very clearly did know about it at the time that it was happening and you were notified of it directly. what s going on with the michael flynn story and his links to foreign governments? honestly it didn t make sense why they hired him in the first place. their explanation for why he was fired makes no sense whatsoever. especially if you believe that mike pence was the innocent wronged party in that drama, then it really doesn t make sense. now that we have mike flynn lawyering up or at least starting to cover his legal tracks and retroactively filing as a foreign agent from the time he was managing intelligence briefings for the new president, now their explanation for that part of the story also makes absolutely no sense and does not comport with the facts. why can t they simply explain what happened here? mike flynn s gone, you can blame the whole thing on him, but you have to make sense if it happened the way you said it did. why are the denials and explanations around him and his contacts with foreign governments, why are they getting more arcane, more incoherent and more elaborate? nobody asked mike pence when he first found out mike flynn was a foreign agent. why is he repeatedly volunteering an implausible answer to that unasked question? on this one, the white house makes no sense. they appear to be trying to protect themselves or position themselves, maybe in the event of further questions here, further revelations here, maybe an investigation here? we can see the freakout happening. we do not yet know why they are freaking out like this about this. but if they re freaking out about the prospect of a real investigation into this kind of stuff then that explains what else happened tonight. and that s next. when you hit 300,000 miles. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day your baby came home. or maybe the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you re trusting us with. subaru. kelley blue book s most trusted brand. and best overall brand. love. it s what makes a subaru, a subaru. 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why have they decided preet bharara has to go? is there something to be afraid of? in addition to his reputation for aggression in prosecuting public corruption, it may be that his jurisdiction here matters. being the u.s. attorney for manhattan doesn t mean that you cover, for example, all of wall street. it also means in his case his jurisdiction includes the headquarters of trump tower where you see him there the day he made his deal to stay on. two days ago a letter was sent to preet bharara from a few different ethics watchdog groups asking him based on his jurisdiction in manhattan to investigate whether the trump organization is receiving illegal financial benefits from foreign governments that are redownding to the president himself. we call on you as the united states attorney for the jurisdiction where the trump organization is located to exercise your responsibility to investigate and take appropriate action to ensure the trump organization and related trump business enterprises do not receive payments and financial benefits from foreign governments that benefit president trump. so that letter was sent from ethics watchdogs groups to preet bharara two days ago. you have jurisdiction here. if the president is getting payments ftom foreign governments through his businesses because he s not divested, you have jurisdiction to investigate that. that letter went to preet bharara two days ago. now apparently preet bharara has been fired two days later. what are you so afraid of? we ve got a good guest on this subject coming up who may be able to shed light on what s going on here, why this has happened, but i should tell you that there is one previous example just in case this becomes relevant. there is one previous example of a federal prosecutor in new york resisting and saying no when a president tried to remove him. his name was robert morgenthau. in 1969 he had the same gig preet bharara has now. president nixon called for robert morgenthau s head and he dug in his heels and said he would not leave. he would resist being fired. it was dramatic but the way it ended is he had to leave because the president can decide who s in these jobs. the president has this power. why a president chooses to use to exercise it at a time like this making a u-turn from his previous decision without any advanced notice and any explanation, that s a really interesting question regardless of whether or not he s got the power to do it. that s next. per roll more doing chores for dad per roll more earning something you love per roll bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more life per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper well this here s a load-bearing wall. we ll go ahead and rip that out. 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( ) it s off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america s emissions. energy lives here. president initiated a call to me saying he wanted mr. bharara to remain. by asking for the resignation before their replacements have been confirmed or nominated the president is interrupting ongoing cases and investigations and hindering the administration of justice. any president can clean house like this. a president can switch the u.s. attorneys out. but why tonight? why so abruptly? and why ask preet bharara to stay and then change your mind. joining us now is charlie savage, he s been reporting on the latest move by the trump administration, he s the author of power wars, inside obama s post 9/11. mr. savage, thank you very much for being here tonight, thank you. so he can appoint as many u.s. attorneys as he likes, is this a standard operating procedure for his administration? is there anything unusual about the fact that there was no announcement or the fact that there was no announcement to replace these attorneys? the first point is absolutely a president can remove u.s. attorneys at will, they serve at the pleasure of the president and it is not unusual for a new president, especially when there s been a change of party, to replace the 93 top federal prosecutors in federal districts around the country. typically it happens on a more rolling basis with transition time and we ll replace this guy and then that guy and then this woman or as you mentioned earlier there was one precedent for a mass firing which came from president bill clinton in march of 1993 even that was a little different than this then however because the people weren t all told the pack up their offices and get out by the close of business that day. i talked to one of president george h.w. bush s u.s. attorneys who was there in january of 1993 when president bill clinton took over in mckay in seattle and michael mckay and he told me well i was going to leave but when this thing came down they let me stay three weeks beyond that, there was another guy he remembered who had had a big investigation open, they let him stay. so this very abrupt get out is part of what s unusual about this unexpected mass firing which we did not expect to happen in one big gulp but we did expect to happen in slow motion over quite a lot of time. in terms of your reporting and your understanding of the dynamics at work here, was there a beef? was there a political analysis that made this seem like an imperative? was there a grudge against the u.s. attorneys as a group? i don t know about the u.s. attorneys but for the last few weeks as these various leaks have been coming out about trump campaign officials and michael flynn and contacts with russia and chaos inside the trump administration there s been a growing counternarrative in conservative circle which is is that all these leaks are sabotage by leftover obama era officials who are embedded in the government and are need to be purged. we ve had a growing clamor of conservative talk radio people and members of congress escalating with sean hannity on fox news saying it s time for trump to purge his word all of these saboteurs, his word, which means ever holdover obama-era official, he has to get them out. and hannity in particular talked about how clinton got rid of all 93 u.s. attorneys at the beginning of his administration and it was no big deal. on the issue of preet bharara specifically, there s two things at work here. one he has jurisdiction geographically over what would include the trump organization, two, there was a public announcement he would stay on i think that s a particular point of concern for people looking at this story tonight. we don t know. stuff may come out but in from this vantage point at this moment in time i think the most likely explanation is that at the time that trump made that deal with preet bharara in november of last year, he was in a sort of moment of bromance with chuck schumer the incoming democratic minority leader, he was like we can work with this guy, we can find common ground when somebody people on the left were saying scorched earth schumer was saying no, let s find things we can do together and this was a gesture towards senator schumer because preet bharara is a long time prior to being u.s. attorney was counsel to chuck schumer, chuck schumer was his patron, chuck schumer got him the position of being u.s. attorney by telling barack obama he should nominate him. so that was a gesture. since then relations between president trump and chuck schumer have become increasingly toxic, trump has insulted schumer and schumer in turn called for an independent investigation into the russia thing, he said jeff sessions should resign. they are not friends anymore and that may be why this deal that sort of was thrown together capriciously in november when things looked very different no longer was that attractive to trump or to sessions. if we ever find outs about the presence or absence of any trump-related investigations out of the u.s. attorney s office you ll probably be the guy who writes the amazing book about it. charlie savage, pulitzer prize winning correspondent for the new york times. thanks. thank you very much. i love friday nights, buckets of news every friday night. we re just getting started. stay with us. to do the best for your pet, you should know more about the food you choose. with beyond, you have a natural pet food that goes beyond telling ingredients to showing where they come from. beyond assuming the source is safe. to knowing it is. beyond asking for trust. to earning it. because, honestly, our pets deserve it. beyond. natural pet food. my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian. he was 34% eastern european. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn t know about. he looks a little bit like me, yes. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com we know how it feels to be treated like a trophy. waxed, buffed, and shined. driven to award shows, parties and across so many silver screens. we have seen the glory come, go, and come again. but a cadillac is no trophy. no museum piece. this is our future and it will inspire every car that follows. intermission is over. this is how we drive the world forward. so with our ally cashback credit card, you get rewarded for buying stuff. like what? 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folks who experience this administration as an unmanned fire hose. there are people who are afraid right now about the environment, about health care, ant immigration, education. people shouldn t be afraid, i don t think, in this country, we should be proud. don t be afraid. be it appears a lot of senator gardner s constituents are deciding to be proud. in part on his office doorstep. they have mounted a long-standing and forceful effort to push senator cory gardner to say no to trump plans and republican plans on everything from repealing the affordable care act to the muslim ban to the wall on the mexican border, coloradoens have been demanding time with their senator, they have been pressuring him to hold town halls, they have been be doing whatever they can to reach him to get his attention through prank missing poster signs. try to initiate contact. see the small print there? if you have seen or heard from this man, please inform his constituents. they ve tried flattery, senator gardener, will you make a date with colorado? 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believe me, is the united states of america. tucker: the president also denied allegations he pressured to fired fbi james coming to advance in an investigation of former national security advisor michael flynn. did you urge james comey in any way, shape, or form, to back to me investigation against michael flynn? no. no. next question. tucker: donald trump is a volatile president. he s impulsive, he changes course on a dime, sometimes without claiming why. he s elusive about what he really believes that he talks and tweets about himself too much, too much for his own good or for the country s good. by the way, he s not always a great manager. the white house is actually pretty chaotic right now, but not just media spin. it s real. if you voted for tom, you already know this. you probably knew it back in november when you voted for him. but what you also knew, and what has worth remembering right now, is that there are worse things than what we currently have. so, the left badly wants to remove donald trump from office, not with votes in the next presidential election as you typically see in working democracies, but they want to remove him right now, today, using legal action or impeachment, mass protests, whatever. it doesn t really matter how it happens. by any means necessary, they often say. the left wants to do this for a number of reasons. but mostly because they used to be in power but they aren t anymore and they would much like to be so again. okay, so, let s imagine they get their way. trump goes a mayor and tried once again. what happens then? this is worth thinking about because the democratic party of right now bears almost no resemblance to the democratic party of ten years ago, much less the democratic party you grew up with. it has changed in ways that ought to worry you. the modern left is no longer an ideological movement. instead, it s an organized movement around identity politics. that s the idea that every american is a member of a subgroup, usually a racial category, and the point of achieving power is to win spoils for that group. another word for this is tribalism and it s the most divisive possible way to run a country. because it s not about ideas and based instead on immutable characteristics, identity politics is inherently unreasonable. there is no winning arguments or even having arguments. if there is only victory or defeat for the group you belong to you. your gain is my loss by definition. in the end, every group finds itself at war with every other group. it is the perfect inversion, the perfect pro version, of the american ideal. out of 1, benny. and it never ends well. we know this because it is the story of much of the rest of the world. and the left has brought here to america. once you understand this, you begin to see the futility is dealing with modern progressives as just another political faction, people you can reason with or perhaps convince. they don t want to argue. they want to win. the old rules that you are member, those mean nothing to them. the left doesn t believe american traditions are noble or worth preserving. on the contrary, anything old must be destroyed. that would include the basic institutions of our society going back to colonial times. the nuclear family, freedom of speech, traditional religious faith, the rule of law, all of these are under direct and open assaults by the left. this is not an exaggeration. they are not pretending anymore. they are saying it. indeed, the left has grown so impatient, much more than ever, that it is now unable to acknowledge the basic legitimacy of any government act they disagree with. every executive order here is an opportunity to demand massive resistance to the law itself. every expression of conservative opinion is a chance to get somebody else fired. every fake hate crime is the opportunity to demand new concessions that are granted even when the fraud is exposed. now, beneath all of us, which is the monster under the bed, as a threat of violence. at this stage, only the fringes are calling for that, but the rest of us know it s there. we can feel it. sometimes, especially recently, we can see it. and that is the end, or the beginning of it. violence is what separates politics for more. it s a point or hurt feelings become dead bodies. the point at which countries become ungovernable part of the people that can begin leaving for somewhere else. you don t want to get there. the most important thing our leaders can do is prevent that from happening yet increasingly, they are refusing to pay the kind of arguments we used to have in washington centered around tax rates are trade agreements. suddenly, that seems antique. here s what we are talking about now. watch what happened with mees two progressives were asked on this show whether they would condemn a political violence. because of his race, he was pulled from his truck and smash room had with a cinderblock until he sustained a brain damage. it was a hate crime if there ever was one. it all happen on videotape, helicopter caught it, and it happened and maxine waters city. but she did not denounce the attack preyed on the contrary, she all but endorsed the attack. that puts her outside the pale, endorsing violence, that is a line, she crossed it. i don t know if we would have our current president if that was a line. she has a right to say what she thinks. tucker: is that a legitimate tactic, to smash windows? is not effective. is it legitimate? so, it s okay? there is time when losing violence i am asking you a philosophical question. i can t answer every question when violence is appropriate or not. tucker: i can t answer whether violet is appropriate or not. okay. until they can answer yes, on hesitatingly, we are in danger. dana loesch is a radio host d a spokesman for the national rifle association and she joins us tonight. use those clips, you have been awake in america for the past nine months. do you think that the left is very different from what it was two years ago and do you think they are ready to leave the country if they succeed in eliminating the president from office? tucker, thanks for having me. it sure does feel different. it feels way differently than it used to. i get the sense this is what really troubles me. you mentioned tribalism. there are people on the left who are so try ballistic, tucker, that they are not willing to admit what is truth. they want to be right. they prioritize being right, prioritize winning an argument, over what is true and over what is correct. and we have seen mistrust in the clip that you play. we have seen this over and over. it seems as though that they take personal offense whenever you point out, this is what you are pushing, promoting, simply doesn t add up. that is a problem. we should never get to the point where we are more for a tribe then we are for truth. sadly, these individuals, they seem to be so triggered about it, to use their terms, that it does push them to the point of violence. violence is not civil discourse. violence is not reasonable discourse. it is of the last refuge of the coward. it is the last refuge of the person who cannot make their argument intellectually. and that is what we are seeing from a lot of those people, particularly on the fringe on the left. tucker: i agree. here is what i think has changed. there have always been wackos on the fringes of american politics, ready to take up arms and hurt up other people and been neighborhood rather because they are for. i get it. but what i am shocked by is that the leaders on the left haven t said anything about it. when you press them, is it acceptable to shout down a speaker, do smash store windows, to take to the streets, block traffic, those are acts of violence. they will not condemn them. that is different. no. they won t. and that is shameful. for all of the individuals and some of the people on the left, i see them on social media, tucker, i know you do come too. you talk about them on your show. i ve seen you debate them. there are individuals who say i guess we will take up arms because we didn t get our way in the election. they think that is going to be easier than going out into the street and changing hearts and minds? what a lazy response. they can t go out to vote to somewhat make them think they will be able to win some kind of conflict. it s insane. elected officials need to be able, they should, they are required, it is their responsibility to be able to control the passions of their side and say, you know what, there are better ways to go about this. instead of attacking people when they are on college campuses or attacking people in the street because you don t like the inauguration or for damaging property. they need to be more responsible for the passions, tucker, that they are inflaming. tucker: these are not partisan points. by the way, i would like to see leaders on both sides and the congress make an articulate defense of basic american values. first among them, freedom of speech. you have a right to say would you think is true. a period. there is no hedges on that. hate speak is not a legal category. that is all a y. so much a stand up for that and the right of people to do that without fear of violence. i don t hear anybody saying that. why is that? that s a great question. i hear people who are on the right side of the aisle sang it quite frequently. i know people like you say it, people like me say it. but on the left, though, tucker, maxine waters, or the people you spoke to in the clip that you played at the beginning of the segment, what is so wrong with saying that violence is unacceptable? if we see violence on our side because they always had, remember the tea party, they always have the tea party was so violent, if we were to see anything like that, what didn t happen, we would have called it out because that is not what we are about. the left needs to figure out what they are about. tucker, we are rolling towards 2018, we are rolling towards 2020. folders already told these people, the fringe, we don t buy your identity politics. we like jobs, trade, manufacturing cap. can you people please get back to the point? that is what they re based told them. they are not doing it, tucker. tucker: they don t believe it. i think that s it. if you have maxine waters, who is endorsing racial violence, which she explicitly did, after the l.a. riots, and she becomes a folk hero, that is a huge red flag i think. dana loesch, thanks a lot for joining us. it was great. i agree. tucker: special counsel robert mueller has performed less than a day of work for the congresswoman maxine waters is confident what he ll find. here s what you just said. we are going to learn a lot about the connections between this president, his allies, and the kremlin. it is going to be very revealing and i know a lot of people don t like to hear the word impeachment but i believe that it s going to lead right to impeachment. tucker: is it responsible or wise to throw out the word impeachment so confidently and casually before the facts are in? exactly candace is a former dnc former advisor. he led the trump war room and he joins us now. thanks for coming on. thank you for having me. tucker: i am playing by rules that are clearly out of date. but i thought the democrats are calling for an independent investigation because they wanted to know what the facts were. here, we have an independent investigation, run by someone whose integrity i don t think anyone is calling into question, and yet, they skipped right past the investigation are calling for impeachment. i am not calling for impeachment. other democrats i know are not calling for impeachment. there are certain individuals are calling for impeachment. i encourage you to have them on the show to talk about that. that is not where i am. where i am, we need to ensure that this investigation is allowed to go forward, this investigation is well resourced, this investigation is not interfered with and the way that these investigations have been interfered with in the past by this white house. b-1 is so, how are we going to do that? i think we have to remain vigilant. there s a lot of ways this administration can screw with us investigation, and that means cutting off resources, that it includes interference. let s remember tucker: i don t think it is. by statute, if i m mistaken, please, call into the show and set me straight if you are a lawyer fluent in this. but i think as a matter of fact, independent counsel has a budget that is not subject to the whims of the white house. it an independent counsel is different of a special prosecutors in the past. this is within the hierarchy come over the chain of command. tucker: i m aware. it s not exactly i read of the announcement yesterday. come department of justice filed a spiritual counselor not? tucker: yes. i think that is reassuring. you never want anyone with the power that an independent prosecutor has, who is totally beyond the control of anyone, that would be a dictatorship. you would never want that. the last time we had a an independent counsel or something similar that could be fired by the white house, they were, his name was archibald cox, during the watergate scandal. tucker: here s the thing. you are saying you are not for impeachment but i just can t let you skate that easily on that, considering there is a brand-new new york times piece about 20 minutes ago, pointing out that the democratic grassroots are not only for impeachment, but a number member of congress, number people running for office in off year elections, there is a national march for impeachment. maxine waters says i know that there are those that are talking about that we will get ready for the next election, mimicking her more cautious colleagues, no, we can t wait that long. we don t need to eat that long. we need to impeach. she said we don t believe in elections. i strongly encourage you to have maxine waters on. i told you what a make of it. we are not at impeachment. we are out investigation. we need to make sure it is not hindered by this white house, that we can get to the facts because the fact that we know right now are pretty damaging. tucker: here is the leader of democracy for america. we cannot have congress sit back and let this play out with trump and his stooges. congress needs to impeach trump. this is the new york times . this is a movement on the left to short-circuit the democratic process. they are saying we can t wait for the stupid election. you can cherry picks are democratic leaders but what most of us are calling for tucker: the head of democracy for america? i m a democrat and i am telling you what we are calling for is a robust investigation to get to the bottom of this. we need to protect our democracy from the intervention tucker: i am gratified to hear that you are committed to our systems. absolutely. tucker: our centuries old system. centuries old. tucker: you are think i might you want to say, your colleagues and allies won t say, word one about this investigation until it wraps up, years from now, we find of the facts. that is what you re saying? about the investigation? tucker: the one run by robert mueller? i think people can comment on it. i don t know how it is tucker: you are applying political pressure to someone. if you are yapping on television bob mueller is susceptible to political pressure in the news. tucker: what would be the poignant that you would say that he would be susceptible to pressure in the news by us democrats calling for us? that is just outrageous! tucker: no mortal man is above pressure. period. got it. tucker: there is no reason to comment on this. is there? unless you are trying to apply pressure to robert mueller or the many attorneys working for him. that is the real thing. so, why would you comment on it? until we get the facts? the issue is not commenting on investigations. the issue is calling the fbi director before you are in the oval office and telling you to knock off the investigation. that is a problem. that is interfering in the election. tucker: that is also over and we moved onto a step that you have been calling for four months. on the white house has ceded to pressure from the left, perhaps very foolishly. if you are thrilled about that, that s a bad sign. they did it. i m not the only one thrilled about it. republicans tucker: i m sure. i m just saying, you called for this and now, you are going to see your friends in the democratic party saying that it s not enough, we need to remove him from power. we can t wait for voters to decide. you can t say that s wrong? i have said repeatedly on the show that i think that impeachment is not the right move. we need to be insuring to this investigation goes through in a robust way. tucker: good. then, you know what? your within the bounds as far as i m concerned. i hope you stick to that position. i will. tucker: believe in the rule of law and democracy. zac, thanks for coming on. donald trump destroyed jeb bush by calling him low energy but now the white house is being accused of lethargy weighed on my multiple scandals. up next, charles krauthammer will be were here with my voice a trump administration get back on track fast. also, the economist magazine predicted the donald trump residency what amount to an economic and catastrophe. we ll ask forecasters what this guy is still firmly in place above our heads six months after his victory. and my impractical wardrobe changes, those all set? not even close. oh, this is probably going to shine in your eyes at the worst possible time. perfect. we re looking at a real train wreck here, am i right? wouldn t it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back with 1% when you buy, and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double. to err is human. to anticipate is lexus. experience the lexus rx with advanced safety standard. experience amazing. tucker: whether you support the president or not, it seems clear that has white house has been slow down, not immobilized, by recent advance. immigration reform on obamacare repeal have been brushed off the agenda for now, replaced by constant flareups over james comey, russia, or some of the presidents tweeting. trump is still the president and his party still controls congress for another 18 months at minimum. how can the white house get its mojo back and reclaim its freedom of action? this is a question that charles krauthammer has pondered. he is a writer, a columnist, and a psychiatrist and your favorite thinker, and he joins us now. charles, what can the white house to? if you are to give them five pieces of advice, what would it be? i think you take your playbook from bill clinton. he was tied up in the lewinsky scandal, in his case, he knows he is lying from the beginning. he keeps on lying. but he was able to keep a straight face, try to keep his nose to the business he wanted to carry out, the famous statement, i did not have sexual relations ends with i m going to go back to work. he pretended as if this thing was a distraction. he went back to work. what trump needs to do is spend less effort and time and emotional energy on this, starting with, you make an unimpeachable fbi director appointment. right now, he needs to calm the craziness. i think he actually was helped by the appointment of the special counsel. even though, in the long run, it means the white house loses control of it. in the short run, people say, there is an investigation, let s talk about health care, let s talk about tax reform. that will take care of it. it s a way to deflect. if you make a good appointment for the fbi, by good, i mean politically astute, which means somebody unimpeachable on special report, i said you need a eliot ness. that gives you a lot of points and allows you to move onto other stuff. that would be my number one. tucker: was number two? stop tweeting. that is never going to happen because i think he is hardwired, like neurologically, attached to his tweeting machine. but it would help because when you tweet, you see what you really believe and that is not always it s not usually the smartest thing in politics. tucker: [laughs] i tell the truth because it is easier to memorize. but i am not the president, a politician. tucker: [laughs] true. a gap in washington is when the politician accidentally tells the truth. they are so much emotional truth pouring out of the presidents tweeting machine that he gets in trouble. tucker: too much reality. number three, go on the foreign trip. thereby, number four code, change the narrative. he has a real opportunity. there is going to be a big deal what happens in saudi arabia. there are going to be 50 sunni arab countries there. there is going to announcement to the world of the total reversal of the obama era iran appeasement policy. we chose a radical shiite regime. we chose their favor over the sunni arabs who want to do support us and over israel, which will be stopped number two. that will be a big deal. it will allow him to announce and really exemplify a huge change in foreign policy. the last thing is, daily sessions with dr. krauthammer. tucker: [laughs] i m still licensed, board-certified, and he s the only one who could afford my rates. tucker: can you give us a sense of the range of your rates? they start let s say they start in the stratosphere. in his case, i would double that. tucker: our viewers have been getting your services for the price only of a monthly cable subscription. i know. i am truly underpaid. tucker: [laughs] last question. you think the president can follow at least the first four of these? he is making his trip. he doesn t easily compartmentalize. he doesn t have that kind of almost psychopathic ability to make distinctions, as clinton did. i think he gets sort of into anything, and it takes them ove over. i don t think he can but that is why he needs to see me. probably for an hour a day for several years. tucker: [laughs] do you have visiting hours? by appointment only. tucker: [laughs] dr. charles krauthammer. fantastic. thank you. sure. tucker: the economist magazine predicted economic clout of any of donald trump won. he did. the lights are still on. what happened? we ll talk to one of the economist expert forecasters next. computer. with this grade of protection. it s a fortress. and with this standard of luxury. it s an oasis. the 2017 e-class. it s everything you need it to be. and more. lease the e300 for $569 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. use an over pronounced washingn technique for dramatic effect. they also know you need to get your annual check-up. now prepare for your check-up with one touch using the mycigna app, where you can find a doctor in your plan s network to save money, manage your health and more. need to be thorough. erheumatoid arthritis.peoplh because there are options. like an unjection™ . xeljanz xr. a once daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. don t start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. needles. fine for some. but for you, one pill a day may provide symptom relief. ask your doctor about xeljanz xr. an unjection™ . .better than a manual, and my hygienist says it does. but. .they re not all the same. turns out, they re really. .different. who knew? 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nothing will give me greater pleasure than making your day. but we haven t gotten it wrong yet. tucker: [laughs] really? we are four months in a four year presidency. we will see where we end up. you are not completely wrong. we were a little bit off in some places because it hasn t gone as badly as we feared. in many ways, we avoided the worst, and we are still helping a little bit for the past. when i talk about the worst, global trade wars, trump had branded trying to the biggest currency manipulator in history. change his mind for whatever reason. and he thinks that china isn t a currency manipulator. at the same time, you still hope that he will get the tax reform through, which can provide stimulus for business. tucker: i guess what bothered me about it i think probably your macro view on this is probably right, not on trump but on trade, prosperity, et cetera. your analysis seemed to ignore the nature of the distribution of the wealth. one of the reasons trump was elected is because a small group of people got really rich during the obama years to come up with a middle-class language. you are seeing the same phenomenon across western europe. as of something that politicians need to address otherwise you will get political chaos? is something you need to factor in? that s absolutely right. inequality is a massive problem. the loss of faith in american institutions has come along side a big increase in inequality. back in 1982 in the u.s., it s the same in the u.s. the average ceo executive pay was 30 times more than your average worker. it s now about 135 times your average worker. that is a major, major problem. trump s policies are only going to make inequality a lot worse. it s pretty peculiar to see him giving tax giveaways for people who are handling over five and a half million dollars in their estates. tucker: wait a second. now, you will have rewriting history. i would agree with you that policy is inconsistent with what he ran on. but when you guys made your prediction, he wasn t saying anything like that. he wasn t saying that i will staff my white house with goldman sachs guys. he was making a pretty straight populist economic argument. and that was repugnant to you and to policymakers and elites across the globe. my question is, have you looked inside? maybe we should have paid more attention to the suffering of the metaclass then and this wouldn t have happened? obviously, we just want what is best for everyone. if you have populist policies, the reason they are called populist typically is because they sound really great but in reality they don t work at all. the reason why we are committed to free trade is because it makes good it s cheaper for everyone. the people who generally buy imported goods are those on the lower income. if you therefore put up trade barriers, push up the cost for these imported goods and those who suffer the most are those who can least afford it. we actually have that in mind when we are opposing tucker: i have heard this argument for decades, and the argument that the middle class needs more brightly colored garbage from china he is as big a threat to the world as isis. you said that in your prediction. that s not entirely true. tucker: that it is why i am bringing it up. back to the global economy. we thought he was the biggest threat to the global economy from a terrorist attack. an extraordinarily gloomy reality that terrorist attacks are a fact of life. even if you look at the brussels attacks from the stock market went up. it is a peculiar country trend. but when you look at who was going to be the most powerful man in the world, such a unique candidate, and he still is a unique president. then, you have to take that into account in terms of the global macro economic forecast. tucker: there is an internal contradiction. you guys are for markets, obviously. you believe it marketed to principals, markets are wise over the long run. but markets responded positively to the election of the guy you said would destroy the global economy. so, who is right? you are the markets? why would they do that? we are such beautiful fools. the dollar strengthened. but there was a certain amount remember, rational exuberance? we ll see how long it lasts. yesterday was a good example of a huge stock market fall for something that we had forecast. the trump presidency getting quite a lot of political chaos. that is something we are seeing snowballing over time. the stock market has absolutely outperformed. what we are a little curious as to how sustainable this is. a lot of it depends on getting through the agenda. he has not made any meaningful outreach to the democrats, even though he is aware he needs to do it. tucker: i m losing track of whether markets are rational or not. are they rational or not? they are rational they change every single day. tucker: [laughs] they move in line with the news, just as we all do. tucker: thanks a lot for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. my pleasure. tucker: president trump have already received more intelligence coverage then you can consume in your entire life. we are not daring you to try that. up next, we ll talk to a professor who says the whole story is a lie, a big lie. he ll explain why. the school musical only tena, lets you be you. i m dr. kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. energy lives here. who s the new guy? they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? why do they call him the whisperer? he talks to planes. he talks to planes. watch this. hey watson, what s avionics telling you? maintenance records and performance data suggest replacing capacitor c4. not bad. what s with the coffee maker? sorry. we are not on speaking terms. tucker: it took only a few decades of bad reporting with the new york times has finally admitted that the gender pay gap has nothing to do with sexism. you may have missed it but in a recent article, the reporter pointed out that what has actually been obvious for a long time, the gender pay gap is largely because of motherhood. of course, anyone who thought about it for a second already knew it. even in 2017, women are the ones who give birth to babies and they often take the lead in raising them for you doing that, though, takes focus away from a conventional career. so, many women quit or take flexible but lower paying jobs. there s nothing wrong with any of that. some people still believe that raising decent kids is more important than working at a law firm and is the right to think that. of course, it would have been nice for the times to show this kind of honesty during the eight years of president obama s terms when the bands to eliminate the sexism based pay gap were never ending. paper still seems to see women s lack of enthusiasm for global capitalism as a moral crisis, something that we need to fix immediately. the same article they had met the gap is simply caused by different choices, freely made. the article says the long-term price theft government giving up economic productivity to have families and plots ways to reverse it, because nothing more and more hard and then adding to the sum total of globalism, even your kids. that is the times position, anyway. it s time for the reality check. as has been noted, people will fall more easily for a big lie than a small one. victor davis hanson is a historian and a fellow at the hoover institution. he says that the entire russia story we have been talking about for months is just such a big lie created by the democratic party with the help of the media. victor davis hanson joins us tonight. professor, you are saying that this whole thing is just nonsense. is that what you are saying? i think you have to go to the origins and the causes and the methodology and the objectives. this whole thing started during the nomination process when the never trump people commissioned a dossier by retired british agent, the so-called christopher steele dossier that was pretty much ridiculous. then, it was passed on after trump got the nomination to the clinton campaign. then, it was forgotten about. suddenly, when she did with nobody thought she would do and lost, and robbie moog s analytics and data didn t prove to be successful, and she didn t go to the blue wall states efficiently, then, the new narrative came. the russians must have done it by the wikileaks probe process and then the dossier that somehow got into the hands of the fbi director, whether he paid for it or not. i think senator grassley is investigating that. now, we have this idea that trump colluded and this dossier was leaked to media sources that it was pretty obscene, pretty outrageous. have things in it that could not have been true. where are we now? we have a director of national intelligence, james clapper, said it didn t exist. we have senators feinstein and grassley say that fbi director comey said there was not an ongoing investigation. it was very unlikely because donald trump, he didn t dismantle eastern european missile defense. he didn t go to geneva and press a plastic red button. he didn t make fun of romney for saying russia was an existential enemy. he didn t have a hot mic exchange with a russian president saying that he would be more flexible with the russians after the election. that entire reset, appeasement of russia, came from the clinton-obama team, not from donald trump. now, it was very unlikely anyway because he ran all is a jacksonian who was going to beef up u.s. defenseman s and get tough with the rivals abroad. it wouldn t be necessarily logical that putin would want him to be president. yet, here we are. i think the real message that we are missing is that there was evidence that some people in the obama administration had a surveilled people either trump himself, or around trump. that information had either been reversed targeted, deliberately, to find information from or incidental. it didn t matter because the names were unmasked and then, they were leaked to pet her partners. for the last six months, between the dossier and the surveilling, we have the leaks. special investigator mueller looks at the totality of the so-called russian collusion-surveillance story, will come to conclusions that we don t expect. tucker: how ironic would it be, though, if in the course of the investigation, these investigations go in directions that you can t predict? no one can. people got in trouble, because that happens with these things. and at the same time, we discover that at its core, the story was just a lie. there was nothing there. there was no collusion between putin and trump. but it still ended up really hurting or bringing down this administration. is that possible? yeah, i think it is. we have had a whole cadre of washington and new york reporters who have done nothing other than for six months, using all of their tools at their disposable, their genie is, experience, to prove that donald trump colluded with the russians. they can t find anything. they haven t spent commits or attempt to look at who was unmasking individuals. and that come out from the house intelligence committee. but what we are seeing, i don t want to be too dramatic, but historically, a slow-motion coup. you have the nexus of celebrities, academics, the democratic and progressive parties, then, you have the media, and they feel that they can delegitimize a president with 1,000 next, none of them significant in themselves. but they coalesced to build a narrative that trump is an experience, that he is uncouth, he is crude, he is reckless. each day, the point is to drive his popularity down one half point, one point, until he can t function in congress because purple state congressional representatives don t want to take the risk to take initiatives. meanwhile, at the aca, the tax reform, his appointments, everybody agrees they have been excellent. there is trump, the message and agenda, versus trump the demonized president. tucker: you got to wonder if the people who run the news organizations ever think to themselves, it s kind of where that my priorities alignment precisely with those of the democratic party? [laughs] may be that s corrupt? [laughs] i think the democratic wrapped is taking its cue from the media. when the media has a narrative, the use of profanity, the democratic party follows on course. they have been following the trump story because the media has been generated and at. tucker: professor, i love talking to people with great memories. and you have one in perspective. thanks for joining us. thank you for having me, tucker. tucker: up next, sean hannity makes his return to the friend zone to talk about the former president of this company, roger ailes, who passed today. stay tuned. so tell us your big idea for getting the whole country booking on choice hotels.com. four words, badda book. badda boom. let it sink in. shouldn t we say we have the lowest price? nope, badda book. badda boom. have you ever stayed with choice hotels? like at a comfort inn? yep. free waffles, can t go wrong. i like it. promote that guy. get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. when you book direct at choicehotels.com. book now. tucker: we invited one of our friends from fox onto the show. joining us tonight, sean hannity, who knew how mike needs no introduction, except to say that he knew our former bos. how would you some of the guy as big as roger? there is only been three people in my life that i have met that have this deeper dimenn in terms of the thought process. you know, i would often sit with him, and a time i would have a meeting, i don t care if it was on the phone or in his office, i would always take a pattern a paper because they knew i was going to get four or five great ideas that would make me seem much smarter than i am. he saw things differently. he would be able to cut to the chase, get rid of all the clutter, and, lo, tucker, i wouldn t be on with you tonight. i was a young, local radio host in atlanta with very little tv experience. took a big risk, gave me a shot, here i am, and he believed in me. and he did that for so many other people. as a set in my statement today, i think he would see things and people that they didn t know existed in themselves and i can tell you, for my own personal experience, that was the case. i never thought i could do this. one other thing that he dated, tucker, which i think is pretty amazing, i was so bad. all you need to do is google hannity s first show. it is humiliating. you want to bring me down to earth and need a i cringe when i see it. he stuck with me. he changed my life so much for the better and so many others. tucker: he did that with people. he did stick with them. what did he tell you when he first hired you? i couldn t remember one thing. that s a great question. i remember one meeting, he warned everyone, they will probably have technical collectors, something s going to happen. but just a call. i remember he told everybody, smile, have a good time, it doesn t have to be perfect on day one. this is long ball. we want to change the media landscape in the country. he emphasized fair and balanced. he wanted both sides. then, he pointed to me and alan and said, except for you to, you can do whatever the hell you guys want. tucker: and you did! [laughs] he just let us do our thing. one other great thing, we always work on a ratings pressure world, he never once called me and said, great ratings. he never once called me and said, what is wrong with your ratings, either. he knew there was an ebb and flow to the new cycle, ups and downs. that has kept me very centered. basically, you build it and you are calm, every night you do a great show. that is why people are watching it. every night, you do a great show, you work hard for your audience, you are in their viewership every night. tucker: that is really wise. he saw the big picture. he was a tough guy, too. not easily pushed around. listen, i am a better fighter today because i learned from hi him. when i first started, maybe i remember there would be certain people who were working at the fox news channel, they get their first negative article, i.e. seiko google my name, it will come of hannity is evil, hannity is satan. and then when you read it, you will feel so much better. so many people have done that and follow that advice. it used to bother me come i can t even remember when. i don t care, tucker. i don t care what people tweet, right, say. and i enjoy the competitive back in the forth in life. tucker: for our viewers were wondering if you are being sincere, i work with you, and i can say he is not joking. [laughs] when i am tweeting come of my twitter wars am smiling. everyone thinks, twitter fight, and i am like, let s get in there. i believe in fighting for what we believe in. now, we have to fight as irredeemable deplorables. that is a fight that i will engage in until my last breath because they are trying to undermine that election. tucker: sean hannity, ladies and gentlemen. i don t ever want to be in the enemy s own. tucker: [laughs] you never will be. we ll be right back. go ahead, spoil yourself. the es and es hybrid. experience amazing. that was my movantik moment. my doctor told me that movantik is specifically designed for oic and can help you go more often. don t take movantik if you have a bowel blockage or a history of them. movantik may cause serious side effects, including symptoms of opioid withdrawal, severe stomach pain and/or diarrhea, and tears in the stomach or intestine. tell your doctor about any side effects and about medicines you take. movantik may interact with them causing side effects. why hold it in? have your movantik moment. talk to your doctor about opioid-induced constipation. if you can t afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. whether you re after supreme performance. advanced intelligence. or breathtaking style. there s a c-class just for you. decisions, decisions, decisions. lease the c300 sedan for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. tucker: we ve heard a lot about roger ailes on this channel today, he was a huge figure here into american life. if you like to hear more, i recommend looking up the remarkable attributes we ve heard from brit hume and shepard smith. he captured so precisely, a lot of us got emotional watching them. i would add only one thing to what they said, he always rooted for the underdog. it s not common in our business with the success is the god most people worship. while others kissed up and kicked down, roger ailes always did the opposite. he was kinder to the cleaning crew than he was two presidential candidates, i saw that. he picked fights with someone his own size, if not bigger and he was always fearless. half my friends here washed out of somewhere else. roger saw something in them, took pity, and hire them. i know because it happened to me
say, other than obamacare is the law of the land and will remain the law of the land. tom: it s the law of the land, or lol for short. on sunday, president trump blamed the freedom caucus and two conservative groups for the sale of the health care bill. steve bannon is reportedly encouraging trump to reply coma list of republicans that refuse to support the health care bill. while repeal and replace had a major setback last week, at least from republican isn t ready to give up. we shall never surrender! [laughter] tom: that was the famous church hill impression of a few i liked blended into the carpet. tom: lets go onto to the next story. he said it on the campaign trail, european nations need to start paying their nato bills and stop letting the u.s. pick up the tab. president trump took the opportunity from his meeting with angela merkel to hand her a fake bill for $375 million. this according to the times of london, the white house denies the story, as did the german government. why am i talking about it? because i hope it happened. it should have happened. it seems like a trump move, doesn t it? it s consistent with what he s been saying in public. just last week, he tweeted this led the washington post to say trump may really not know how nato works. he knows how it works, nato countries have pledged to spend 2% of their gdp on defense, and germany has consistently fallen short of that. pay up, europe! nice to close it with a button list, that was the whole monologue. liz, you know the countries, don t you, that pay their bills? would you believe it s greece? poland, there are four countries that are at the 2% of gdp spending on defense. maybe latvia. tom: i have them down here. poland, greece, the u.k., and estonia. and the u.s. could he hand them the bill of reconstructing germany after world war ii? germany is a really solid ally of the united states, you don t want to alienate them. it s like living in a co-op, you ll have to pay certain fees and when you find out you ve been paying and your neighbor who is getting the same services hasn t been paying, it s not a good feeling. tom: always happens, do you go to the board meetings? i hide. i am washing my hair that night. with the exception of the u.k., the other countries, their gdp is kind of small period of 2% is a small number. let s have exxon pay for those shipping lanes we keep open with their navy. tom: they pay a lot of money. they don t. they don t pay for our navy keeping pirates off their ships, i don t think they do. we ve got a guy in the state department that know some people at exxon, let s send them a bil bill. like the tom hanks movie, right? tom: our guys wanted to save him. did we ever send the bill to him? tom: you made good point, captain phillips should pay us back. i don t think these european countries are paying their bills and i think trump does understand that. what do you think, joe? [laughter] i know you know a lot about this. [laughter] i thought you were going to ask about bills and people and tom: that s the analogy. i get more upset, you and i talked about this before, you go out to eat and everybody you said you hate when people don t pay for the tax. tom: there s always one guy. you always say there s one guy who doesn t do that, i find that i hate more the guy that gets way more and wants everybody to owe the same. tom: he wants to split the bill, but he everybody owes $11, i had a honey bun. adults split the bill when you go out, it s the way it works. i don t drink, everyone else drinks, i split the bill. i say tom: that s a good point. of the united states goes out, we eat and drink the most but we also pay the biggest bill. i m happy that guys are handing women some bills. it s about time. i come home, my wife hands me a bill, whether it s karate for the kids or school supplies or, i get handed a bill and a wet nap. tom: they re denying it, but do you think he gave her a fake bill? i can see him doing that and shaking her hand with a buzzer shocker, leaving a will be cushion on the chair. i hope he didn t. tom: i want everyone to know. that s embarrassing. it s the president of the united states, and her a bill tom: you know it s embarrassing, 1.2 1.2% of the p for the defense. 1.2 of their gdp is like all those other countries combined. tom: moving on, before the attack in london, the terrorist used whatsapp to send message. who was he communicating with? they have no way of knowing, whatsapp uses encryption. here s how that company explains it, when you send a message, the only person who can read it is the person or group chat that you sent the message to. no one else can see it. it is completely unacceptable. there should be no place for terrorists to hide, we need to make sure that organizations like whatsapp, plenty of others like that, don t provide a secret place for terrorists to communicate with each other. it used to be that people would steam open envelopes or listen in on phones, but on the situation we need to make sure that our intelligence services have the ability to get into situations like encrypted whatsapp. tom: liz, i like the old days where you had to steam open envelopes, right? just called the israelis, they ll fix it. here s what they should give up, not their entire platform, here s how you access inside all of these messages, they should find the message, and they should hand a text of exactly what was said, this guy used it 3 minutes or so before he attacked. and murdered for innocence, including a police officer. if whatsapp isn t going to give it, we can argue forever. they are owned by facebook, facebook is complicit too. they are an accessory, find who this person was speaking with, they re not helping, ask the israelis, they ll find out. tom: why doesn t whatsapp say were going to give it to you, but just pretend. they want to put up a good front. i think what she said it was exactly right, as long as there s a reason to ask for it, they should be giving it over. it s a brave new world. they absolutely can, there s no way that they don t control the data that they have or have a way to access it somehow on the back end and they should be able to do that. didn t you see war games that those two nerds were telling matthew broderick that there is a backdoor? i was just thinking about why does it actually matter to have something like that where you can encrypt? tom: they encrypted it but it was lame. it was encrypted in a very mickey mouse way. let me tell you this. whatever you design an app that makes it capable for you to cheat on your better half secretly, terrorists will arriv arrive. those are the markets that people look to pitch apps to these days. terrorism, porn, and whoever is gluten-free. those of the markets you have to go out for. tom: if you re talking to people who want to cheat, that s why they want whatsapp. that s why it s encrypted, too. tom: those people will move to another thing. there s always going to be a new app. odds are that this guy was talking to another dude who is pretending to be a 23-year-old girl in kentucky. tom: do you not agree that you are being monitored, do you use this, what do you use? i tried to use whatsapp and i was unsuccessful, it s kind of confusing. i ve gone abroad a few times, that s when you use it. when my wife goes away for her job or i go away, i m always deleting it and then putting it on my phone again. tom: you are using it to talk to your wife? yes. i don t understand it. tom: it s not made for you. i m sure not the only person we go to another country, am i getting charged right now are not? do we get wi-fi, i don t understand, i m afraid to turn my phone on. the last thing that app was designed for was for a husband to talk to his wife, just so you know. tom: the technology, they make them for teenagers. they seem to know how to use them better. i ve always like five generations behind, all i use our twitter and facebook. tom: facebook is for the dads, isn t it? put your cargo shorts on there. i don t where cargo shorts. golf shorts, i m suburban. tom: coming up, i was waiting for you guys to discover something. coming up, celebrities get their leggings in a bunch after united airlines refuses to let two teenagers fly. and my first book, mean dads for a better america is available for preorder at speed 29. back 13 states taking legal action in support of president trump s travel ban, they are urging the fourth u.s. circuit court of appeals to overturn a lower court judges ruling that blocked the revised executive order. the states claim that the president acted lawfully and in the interest of national security. to the white house calling on russia to release hundreds of antigovernment protesters arrested over the weekend. press secretary sean spicer says people everywhere deserve the ability to exercise their rights without fear of fear of attributing. the father of maryland school rape suspect has been arrested for being in the united states illegally. the teen accused is also an undocumented immigrant. large hail and strong winds already pelting texas and oklahoma. forecasters say the area could see even more damaging winds and possibly tornadoes. now back to red eye. tom: nothing is more protectable than the outrage news cycle. on sunday, and activist tweeted that united airlines refused to allow two teenage girls on a flight because they were wearing leggings. naturally, celebrities responded by opening up on twitter. sarah silverman tweeted hey, united, i fly a lot. about to go on tour in april and changing all my flights to other airlines. leggings are business attire for 10-year-olds, their businesses being children. mike huckabee tweeted he s a master of twitter. but here s the thing. the girls were wearing back using free passes from the family benefits program. to our regular customers, your leggings are welcome. it s not surprising that s liberties were outraged about the story, they love to wear leggings when they fly, as you can see. here are some of them looking stylish and comfortable. and wow, huck has some muscular legs. liz, look. what do you think of this? i want to talk about the outrage, this story went around the world before united had a chance to mention that they have a dress code. wire and celebrities more outraged about murders and deaths and attacks and things like that? i will say this, if united said that eating a free ticket because you are a relative of one of the employees, you have to adhere to our dress code, should the 10-year-olds have been wearing neckerchiefs? then with the leggings be okay? i wear yoga pants, a soiled t-shirt that says new jersey, will take everyone. i made it on every flight. tom: people don t dress up on flights, you don t even dress up when you come on my show. i give what i get, none of you respect me, why should i respect you? look at the rest of the people on this plane, i walk by seat 4d and i have eight guys nuts staring at me from his short shorts. no daughter of mine is going to be dressed like a harlot on a plane. either it s across-the-board for everybody for everybody, no leggings, no nuts poking out and we can all fly people use to get dressed up four flights. tom: i like to look while on a flight. i think when a woman is dressed up to go on a flight, that means she s a psycho. that s a red flag for me. i think when you go on a flight, especially along flight, you re flying to europe are going to australia and you re wearing high heels, you look like you re going to a business meeting, that s a little weird. what if she s going to a business meeting? she s got to get off the plane and go to a meeting? who would get off a nine hour flight and go right they are? i have, it happens all the time. i wear sweatpants to fly everywhere. i flew twice last week, i wear sweatpants. the thing about it is, tell me, united has a dress code. when anyone travels, they re getting a free ticket, they should have to abide by the rules. i have a 10-year-old, she would wear leggings to fly on a plane, it s on thing 10-year-olds wear. it s the 10-year-old dress code right now, leggings all the time. wire leggings not dressed up, it depends on what you wear with them. my daughter is five, shall wear leggings with address. it s like united is on meerkats and everyone else is on periscope. tom: they re going to change their thing because they got so much guff about it. the outrage is ridiculous, all they have to do is say everybody calm down, kids can wear leggings now, stop tweeting at us. or do what you always do, if you want to take comfort away from us, charge us for it. tom: coming up, it s halftime with tv s andy levy. and be sure to check out the red eye podcast, subscribe on itunes and on foxnewsradio.com. tom: welcome back, it s time to find out what we got wrong and what we missed from tvs at andy levy over at the red eye news deck. andy: let s talk about health care finger-pointing. tom, you said you feel like trump isn t that into health care. i totally agree, the thing is, repealing and replacing obamacare was a pretty huge campaign promise for him, he sort of needs to be into it. tom: you can t make can be into things. he s into the things he s into. andy: he did move on from it pretty quickly. liz, you said the freedom caucus always ran on pure repeal. they were never going to vote for this bill. say what you want about democrats, they somehow managed to pass a bill. your 1000% correct. it took a long time, a lot of effort, today on my show on fox business at 3:00 p.m. eastern, we had two republican congressmen, both said you don t get stuff like this done in 64 days. it s not dead, we should come back and try again, it is a process. andy: that sounded too reasonable. imagine that. tom: the doctors caucus, do they have a nickname? the one i thought was not cute. andy: joe, you set an enemies list is very italian. also very jewish. especially older jewish. i wasn t allowed to talk to jewish people. after [laughter] andy: shuli, you said you re not an expert on this health care story, but you prove that you were by comparing trump to the person who blames his farts on other people. whoever smelt it dealt it, whoever denied it supplied it. now we are highbrow. leave it to me. andy: tom, let s talk about your merkelogue. liz, you are absolutely light right about the members of nato hitting the percentage of their gdp. iceland is a member and they pay nothing because they do not have military. sweden just reinstated the draft because they hate the russians. andy: the thing is that the u.s. asked iceland to join because of its strategic location. money is not always the greatest indication of what nation is giving. it s also fun in risk to have iceland. tom: it s perfect because they give nothing and we get nothing. zero, we should kick them out. andy: they re not bothering anyone. i have no idea what exxonmobil has i was trying to make a point. andy: they can t all be gems. what you want for me? tom: tom, you said we eat and drink the most but we also pay the biggest bill. is that fair? tom: they are not all gems, andy. it was a good analogy. what i m saying is we eat and drink the most but we still pay for other people s bills, too. andy: okay. shuli, i was going to ask you what the wet nap was for, but you were there, you filmed it. andy: the british secretary who doesn t understand how end to end encryption works, you said whatsapp should give up the message and they can find it. they 100% cannot. they can t read them, but whatsapp messages are not stored on a server anywhere. these messages are gone. i do not believe that. andy: you cannot believe whatever you want, but that is how it works. chris hahn, you also said they can access the message. the entire point of end to end encryption is that absolutely nobody can read it but the recipient. if the company could read the messages, they wouldn t be secured by end to end encryption. do i look like an engineer to you. andy: you made a statement and it s factually wrong. i don t know that it s wrong. [laughter] andy: honestly it s transmitted over the world wide web to get someplace, everything that s in the world wide web is somewhere else. they can see your keystrokes. they can figure it out, i m sure of this. andy: you all have equal the israelis could not break the encryption. tom: andy, none of us know anything. we know one thing, that we are right. andy: liz, you mentioned that whatsapp is owned by facebook, which is true. it s based in the u.s., but the british government can t tell us to do anything. two members of the house of commons foreign administration committee have asked to help pressure whatsapp. if they could, they andy: they can. you got to help in situations like that. when they send out warrants for money laundering, the banks give up the transaction. how is this different? andy: the banks have the information. apple wouldn t open the phone andy: that s a separate issue. the important thing to remember is encryption doesn t kill people, people do. tom: all right. andy: i am done with all of you. tom: thank you, andy. coming up, uber s a self-driving cars are back on the road. does anyone trust them? we debate. 12 estate attorneys general and one governor are urging a federal appeals court to let the law take effect. they say the law does not discredited against muslims, and that the president acted lawfully. they want the appeals court to overturn a lower court ruling blocking the executive order. the chairman of the house intelligence committee is facing growing calls from democrats to step down. democrats say representative nunes should not lead to the probe into russia s meddling in the 20 2016 election. nunes says the documents he viewed had nothing to do with russia, president trump reacts to the investigation monday night, tweeting that the russia story is a hoax. a committee vote on the presidents a supreme court nominee is on hold for a week. that s after democrats requested a delay. a committee vote is scheduled for next monday, april 3rd. the full senate is then expected to take up the matter. senate minority leader is promising a filibuster. the oakland raiders are heading to las vegas. the nfl approved the move by a landslide on monday, only the miami dolphins voted against the relocation. the team will not pack up quite yet, since they are expected to play in oakland for at least two more years. that s a look at news, i m kelly wright, now back to red eye. for all of your headlines, be sure to log on to foxnews.com. you are watching the most powerful name in news, fox news. tom: uber is not going to let a little accident stop its driverless car program. on friday, and uber self-driving car ended up on its side after hitting hit by an old-fashioned human driving car. the person in the other vehicle made an illegal left turn. uber announced that the program will resume. while the driverless car program has showed some promise, there are still issues. internal documents leaked to the media show rides in the driverless cars go about 2 miles with unpleasant breaking and jerking. turn on the ignition. let s go. oh, my god, . that s me without adderall. tom: they re working on it. joe, would you trust a driverless car? they drive better than the people car the hum of that s a problem. they are driving correctly, people are driving bad. my joke when they first came out, it didn t work on stage, so why do it here? tom: why not? they ve had these forever, it s your wife. my mom would always yell at my dad, turn, turn, turn. i think it s going to be the greatest invention of our lifetime. maybe the internet is first. but driverless car, that s something i say to my son all the time, he s nine. you re going to live to b to go somewhere without driving. he how great is that? get completely wasted, laid down in the backseat. how great is going to be? tom: son, you re going to get so wasted. dad, it s at 2:30 in the morning, while you waking me up again ? think of what it will do for the alcohol industry, no one will have to worry about drinking and driving anymore. it will make america great agai again. maybe you won t be allowed to be drunk in the car, they ll still say you have to be sober? tom: they re going to keep that up, they ll have you rent those party buses, the guy is driving, everybody in the back is getting hammered. the downside to driverless cars as were going to lose hundreds of hours of quality uber video fights between customers and uber drivers? that s the only thing i live for. as a comic, human interaction is everything to me. that s where the stories come from, where the materials come from. to be on stage and go my driver went the wrong way, took me 25 minutes, i was late, i cursed at him he said nothing, no one was there. the doors locked in the engine died until robot authorities came. i ve ordered mcdonald s for my kiosk and it s weird. i m use to acne and a voice cracking. i need puberty guys a dripping s not. that s what i come to fast food for. my one really good talent was parallel parking. because i m from california and we all drive and were all obsessed with driving tom: you re good at it, you are a woman who can parallel park, you want to show off that skill. that s my big trick. if that goes away, what do i have? tom: the real question is will they store the data of where people have driven and will we be able to access it? they do it now. tom: coming up, a reality show gets canceled but the contestants continue filming. learn about the poor saps after the break. when the men and women emerge, they were shocked to learn that brexit had passed and donald trump was president. they also missed the breakup of one direction, and of the oscars going off without a hitch. they signed a contract, those y said leave them in the woods. this is scarily reminiscent to the world war ii japanese soldier who didn t realize the war was over and didn t surrender until 1974. he stayed hunkered down. what a sitcom that would be. it s a reality show, they re out in the wilderness, might as well let it play out. it was off the air but they have the footage. did they not realize it was canceled when the cameras were put away? how bad was this show that for episodes in a gets canceled? cop rock was on for a full season. 11 episodes of cops singing. on skates. do they still get the prize at the end of the show? tom: i don t know, there was nothing to win because the show wasn t on the air. this is the modern world, they have stuff on digital. the crew was part of this, they stuck the camera people in ther there. they knew. tom: i don t think they knew either. they had phones. tom: the crew was in the wilderness, didn t you see the trailer? what did they sign up for? i think we are getting confused here. all of these reality shows film late and air them later. i think there s a confusion. they kept filming because they probably had an heir to them ye yet. tom: they got canceled in august and continued filming. it s going to be on youtube. the show is over, i know you want to keep talking this show is over, too.