intelligence and heads of the cia, fbi and national security agency will brief the president-elect on alleged russian meddling in the presidential election, certainly he has called repeatedly challenged. he said, well, maybe it s not the case, maybe even sided with julian assange tweeting even last night questioning the validity of the information he s about to receive. well, we have it all covered for you from every angle. kristen welker, what do we expect will go down here? reporter: the backdrop to this briefing is very tense, that s for sure. you have the president-elect just last night again questioning the intelligence community. he was infuriated after details leaked out about the report and actually what s in the report and intelligence officials telling us that some of the details in the report include intercepts which prove that top russian officials were celebrating president-elect trump s win. we were also learning they ve identified some of the go-betweens who delivered some of that information. the president-elect is saying why is this information leaking out? he s been questioning these people who are going to brief him for weeks now. so this is tensions that have been building. but we re also being told these are career professionals. they re not going in to pick a fight. they re going to be firm in what they know. if the president-elect pushes, they re prepared to push back. will things get heated, that s the other question. is the president-elect going to actually believe the intelligence that he gets? you have experts who are looking at this situation and saying, look, it s critical to national security that he backs up his intelligence community. what we have is this unprecedented moment where a sitting commander in chief is creating a huge rift with the intelligence community that he s about to leave. we re also learning some new details. this meeting s going to take place at 12:30 and vice president elect mike pence is also going to be in attendance. we re going to be tracking it all, steph, the fireworks and everything else. it s going to be a party over there. i want to bring in hans nichols in washington, d.c. it sound like moments from now we re going to be getting the public version of this report. what do we expect? well, the public version could come out any moment now. we do expect it today. my colleague is reporting it. you ll have the public version and the private briefing that mr. trump will be receiving at 12:30. intelligence officials saying both of very powerful saying russia actively intervened to influential the election for donald trump. the question really is at trump tower is what s the standard of proof, the burden of proof and will donald trump sport upport . joining donald trump will be michael flynn, his incoming national security adviser, head of the nsc. what was important about mr. flynn is throughout his career, he s been very skeptical of intel coming in. look to see if there s any showdown between flynn and some of the folks that they re briefing, namely john brennan, seen of a foreign government trying to interfere with a u.s. election. john mccain calling this an act of war. i think all of that is putting pressure on donald trump. how does he respond to it? that s the key question. a lot of people speculating he s going to come out and say, okay, the findings do point to russia, however, this has been overhyped and overpoliticized. remains an open question, though. let s bring in republican strategist and member of trump s national spanish advisory council, steve cortez and strategist david corn. donald trump has publicly been a skeptic of these intelligence agencies and this information. but the fact that there s a lot of pressure there, he s meeting with the intelligence officials, now the public report is coming out. to kristen s point, it s been called an act of war. nancy pelosi said the content is stunning. what is donald trump going to do? i don t know but we ll find out shortly today or in the coming days. i think that skepticism of intelligence reports is okay. publicly? yes. had george w. bush been skeptical of the cia s conclusion, we might never have got i don t know involv gotten involved in that awful embroilio in iraq as we did had he taken a skeptical view. without a doubt that s why someone becomes the president because they are the last word but being a public skeptic, goading, antagonizing, calling it intelligence. who does that help? how does that make america great? the reason he s had to go public is because unfortunately there have been so many leaks out of our intelligence commute is they chose to go public. it would be wonderful for american national security if all of this could have been done behind closed doors. so two wrongs make a right? no, no. hacking is wrong. we can t have it from americans, not from china, russians or anyone, if it jeopardizes our security or our economic security. i think we ve been too lax about hacking. whatever the source of the hacks, what was revealed by all indications of the truth and the truth about the democratic party and about hillary clinton and her top staffers, the truth once revealed convinced americans the more they knew about them, the less they liked hersh the less they trusted them. david? i pity you, steve, to have to defend donald trump on this matter. he has said so many things that are just outright false. not that he s a skeptic. that s a polite way of saying it. he said weeks ago this wasn t an issue during the election, why are we seeing this now? david, don t talk ko condescending to me this way. i know exactly what they are. gentlemen, we re going to end this right now if you can t be respectful to one another. david? he just sort of made it up that this was a post-election issue. he said julian assange knows more than the intelligence community does. he hasn t prove i don t knn tha. he said he knew something special about the hacking he would tell us this past tuesday and wednesday. he didn t do that either. he s been spinning or fabricating and saying false and misleading statements on this issue for months and it all ties into the mystifying approach he has towards russia and putin and trying to dismiss this intervention. it s what the mainstream media has been saying for weeks is that the election was hand. that s not true. the dnc was hacked. steve. steve. steve. steve. steve, i m not going to let you before we go, steve, you basically said or as i understand donald trump has done this in response to all the leaks that are out there. but if you could help me understand why is it that donald trump continues this tweet storm, today alone going after arnold schwarzenegger and the apprentice and ratings. this is the president-elect. doesn t he have anything better to do? of course. listen, no one can doubt his work ethic and how hard he s been working at this transition. yes, you can. the president-elect is a very unique politician, right. he s our first please answer my question. he didn t come from the military please answer my question. i am. part of what makes him unique is the way he speaks so candidly and such authenticity to the american people. about trivial matters. and he has an extensive past as a television celebrity. it s important to him and important to his brand. it s part of what made him he s not a grownup. it s part of what made him run for president in the first place. the media thinks he doesn t talk like a politician so going after the ratings of the apprentice. the guy in charge of our nuclear codes, who is being briefed on whether the russians intervened, he has nothing better to do than to sort of go on this sort of i m better than you tweet storm against arnold schwarzenegger. he s not speaking to you. he s speaking to the american people. he needs to grow up. he s not speaking to washington, d.c. or new york, he s speaking to the american worker who has been forgot i don t know forgotten. and if you live in new york, you count, too. we ll have michelle obama s final speech as first lady. her last public address before the transition to trump. but first, four african-americans charged with streaming the attack of a white teen-ager. they re going to appear in court today to face hate crime charges. doll? well, the only place you need go. london s got the best of everything. cornwall s got the best of everything. sport sport nightlife nightlife (both) fashion adventure i m tellin ya, britain is the only place you really need go. expedia. everything you need to travel britain better. start your day with the number one choice of dentists. philips sonicare removes significantly more plaque versus oral-b 7000. experience this amazing feel of clean. innovation and you. philips sonicare. save now when you buy philips sonicare. it was streamed live on facebook. here s what president obama had to say about it. whether it s tensions between communities or tension of the despicable sort that has now arisen on facebook, i take these things very seriously. blake mccoy is outside the courthouse in chicago right now. what are we expecting? reporter: stephanie, this is a bond hearing, meaning bond will be set and attorneys assigned. it s very much a procedural hearing. it s the first time we ll be seeing these four individualsin faces outside of that video, accused of committing this cruel and senseless attack. now, court doesn t go into take it easy. reporter: they showed their faces on video and today will show their faces in court. two black women and two black men charged with kidnapping a white teen-ager with mental health issues in what authorities are calling a hate crime. the video shows the 18-year-old victim tied up, slashed with a knife and forced to drink toilet water. the ordeal, according to police, went on for hours and it was posted to facebook live for all to see. [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. the actions in that video are reprehensible. that, along with racism, have absolutely no place in the city of chicago. anybody seeing it is both it s sickening and sickened by it. but this morning the victim s grandmother tells nbc news she hasn t seen it and won t. i don t think i could handle that. i don t want to watch him suffer. i know he did. reporter: investigators confirm the victim went to school with one of his alleged assailants, jordan hill. he met up with hill at a mcdonald s on new year s eve. what began as a sleepover lasted for several days. police found him disoriented tuesday afternoon. they then located the house they believe he was being tortured in about a block away. it has caused condemnation by black leaders. our community is embarrassed by the actions of these young men. their actions are very barbaric and we are outraged. reporter: as for the victim his siblings say he s doing as well as can be expected. some of the charges these four are facing here today are hate crime charges. they re also facing unlawful restraint, battery with a deadly weapon and kidnapping charges. if they re convicted on kidnapping, they could serve up to 30 years in prison. joining me is a criminal and civil tone. eric, that video is awful, awful. we re completely shocked by it. we haven t seen anything like this. how common is this type of thing? it s common. and i hate saying that and giving the world the information because so many of these children are doing crimes, committing crimes for attention. they do it on facebook live, they record it, they take pictures of themselves, whether it s a jewel thief or a burglar or a robber, they re trying to get attention and likes and that is the fuel behind something like this. the fact that it was recorded, that there s a 28-minute video, does that make it a slam dunk case? it does in certain aspects. the only potential issue is the hate crime statute. you have to prove that it was because of race or his disability at that it was a hate crime. on the surface it definitely appears that way, which i do expect the prosecution to start making offers and deals, this is almost a race to the prosecutor s office for them to get their client a deal before the others. is there where they ll turn on one another and point the finger at the ring leader? absolutely. the canaries are going to start singing very shortly. you may be my best friend but if we re going to prison, i need to get the best deal for me. could this video get thrown out? i doubt it. of course the defense lawyers are going to challenge the video except they are the ones that put the video out there. they are. i believe this would be admissible in court. i don t see a reason why it would not be admissible. but the defense attorneys will try to keep it out, benefit their client and get them the best deal. this is a slam dunk case because these young children were on camera doing this crime. can i say one thing? they don t get to be called children. they re adults. they re 18. they re 18. old enough to know better. and i agree with that. this is the type of thing that society one of them is 24 years old. i think the others are 17. if you re 17 or 18 years old, i hope to heaven that you know better than that kind of behavior. absolutely. that s where we have to get to the home values and the things we teach these children. this is not acceptable by anyone regardless of where you re from or what you do. this is sick. this is sick, this is what it is. we re going to take a break. just in, a brand new interview with donald trump answering questions about the u.s. intelligence assessment of russia s hacking. he is calling it a political witch hunt. what else did he have to say? plus my colleague andrea mitchell just sat down with outgoing secretary of state john kerry. she ll join me live with highlights of their one-on-one. on the outside you have to feel healthy at your core. trubiotics a probiotic from one a day. naturally helps support both your digestive and immune health. feel a difference in two weeks or your money back. take the trubiotics 2 week challenge. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. if this intelligent report is indeed unimpeachable. it s him showing you what he s going to say. he s telling the times he thinks this is a political witch hunt. this is donald trump, the next president of the united states basically saying he s an assignment editor here upset about the amount of coverage that news organizations are giving to this, basically saying it s sour grapes. in that interview with my friend over there at the new york times, michael sheer, great job getting donald trump on the phone saying the chinese hacked the white house, there wasn t that much attention there. it says two times in the interview this is a political witch hunt. we are going to get this report, the public version of it within the hour we thing. we ve already heard from nancy pelosi. and pelosi seemed a little upset the report didn t go farther. going forward i think we ll have two conversations, one, what trump wants it to be and that is is there too much information on this and how unassailable is the information prevented in the public side of this report. as we always reveal, our roaring tactics, we need to find michael sheer, get his cell phone and he likes to play poker, maybe we can get his cell phone. sheer s a great guy. i love that, hans nichols always working i want to stay on donald trump but something else that he is up to, all of this very, very serious business, he s in a different kind of twitter battlea twitter war with former california governor arnold schwarzenegger. i can t even believe we re talking about this, the terminator versus the donald with the president-elect about to be briefed on the potential russian hacking. what is he doing? these tweets went down as the gang of eight were briefed on this on the hill. so here you go. this was about four hours ago. president-elect donald trump also by the way executive producer of the show currently. while the ratings are in and arnold schwarzenegger got swamped, look drain the swamped or destroying the ratings machine by himself. now compare him to my season one, we ll do that in a second. but who cares? great question. so arnold comes right back at him and writes there s nothing more important than the people s work. keep in mind movie superstar arnold schwarzenegger/former governor of california. please study this quote from lincoln s inaugural, it inspired me every day as governor and i hope it inspires you. he posted a video. i m not sure i want to hear me read lincoln speeches in my accent. here we go we are not enemies but friends. we must not be enemies. we are not enemies, we are neighbors and most importantly we are all americans. this is the famous inaugural address where lincoln said the better angels of our nature, stephanie. what do the ratings look like? he s not wrong but he s not right, which is kind of tich ca typical of the twitter thing. if you compare it to the first episode of 2004, yes but that was novel. if you compared it to the last time donald trump debuted a season, it s 6.5 versus almost 5, so not a big difference. but again, he s the boss. he s the executive producer of the show, which makes you wonder why the whole thing is going on anyway. or maybe they re all playing us. guess what we re all doing today? talking about the apprentice. that s what donald trump wants to us do, talk about the apprentice. we re going to talk to you more about this planet and another one. a live look outside the international space station right this moment, i love these videos! two astronauts are upgrading the space station s electrical power system by swapping out batteries that have been in place for a decade or longer. the walk began at 7:00 this morning and is expected to last until 2 p.m. and back on earth, more than 90 million americans are bracing for a winter storm over the next two days. part of 29 states from the south into new england will be hit with snow, sleet or ice. north carolina could see up to a foot of snow. and just moments from now, michelle obama will give her last speech as first lady. her good-bye speech coming up. we re going to bring that to you live. please stay with us. . cheesy chipotle pork quesadillas? mmmm. ravioli lasagna bake? yeah, i don t know. grilled white chicken. grab something rich, sharp and creamy. triple cheddar stuffed sliders. sold! we aim to cheese! kraft natural cheese: we make cheese for how you love cheese. i ve got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn t pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you re eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesn t pay. and could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. to me, relationships matter. i ve been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i ll be able to stick with him. [ male announcer ] with these types of plans, you ll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and virtually no referrals needed. so don t wait. call now and request this free decision guide to help you better understand medicare. and which aarp medicare supplement plan might be best for you. there s a wide range to choose from. we love to travel - and there s so much more to see. so we found a plan that can travel with us. anywhere in the country. [ male announcer ] join the millions of people who have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp, an organization serving the needs of people 50 and over for generations. remember, all medicare supplement insurance plans help cover what medicare doesn t pay. and could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call now to request your free decision guide. and learn more about the kinds of plans that will be here for you now - and down the road. i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. i wanted to know where i did my ancestrydna. the most shocking result was that i m 26% native american. i had no idea. it s opened up a whole new world for me. historically we would have considered anything below 5% pretty good. the problem is that we ve got a low unemployment rate relatively but haven t seen wages push up all that much. in president obama s eight years in office, the tally per year has averaged to 1,419,000 jobs created every year of the eight years. here s how that stands. this is the 1.4 million in relation to the last six presidencies. jimmy carter created an environment in which the most jobs were produced, 2.5 million, reagan 2 million, george bush the first, 659,000, clinton 2.8 million. stephanie, as you know very well and our viewers know, presidents don t create jobs and sometimes they don t even create the environment. it could be something that happened before them but this is what the tally looks like. we shouldn t forget, it s not just the unemployment number. it s the underemployment number. all of those people who aren t even looking anymore. that s why normally this would be good, the 4.7%. because we have so many people who either have two jobs or are not satisfied in the job they ve got or not working enough hours, this is not giving you the answer you actually want. not giving us the picture we want. thank you, ali. next to the white house. michelle obama about to give her last speech as first lady. a look at her legacy next. it worked better than plavix. don t stop taking brilinta without talking to your doctor since stopping it too soon increases your risk of clots in your stent, heart attack, stroke, and even death. brilinta may cause bruising or bleeding more easily, or serious, sometimes fatal bleeding. don t take brilinta if you have bleeding, like stomach ulcers, a history of bleeding in the brain, or severe liver problems. tell your doctor about bleeding, new or unexpected shortness of breath, any planned surgery, and all medicines you take. talk to your doctor about brilinta. i m doing all i can. that includes brilinta. if you can t afford your medication, astra zeneca may be able to help. east room of the white house where michelle obama is about to deliver what will be her final speech as first lady. it follows a series of powerful and highly praised speeches over the last six to seven months. the first lady s remarks today will be at an event honoring the 2017 school counselor of the year. it s a tradition she started two years ago as part of her reach higher initiative. as we wait for the first lady, i m joined by nbc news chief washington correspondent chris jansing and amanda turkle. people on the stage right now are the finalist for the school counselor of the year. clearly this is a big day, a big moment for them. chris, you want to start with you. this is also a big moment for michelle obama. what do we expect to hear from her? expect passion. we saw it on the speeches she did on behalf of hillary clinton, particularly one where she answered some of the things that had been said by president-elect donald trump. she minced no words. remember, politics is not her first love, far from it. she is somebody who in fact has always loved working in a different kind of process, in community leadership and education is a big deal for her. so we shouldn t be surprised that the last event that she does in a public forum le this is honoring school counselors, is going to honor the counselor of the year. and we re also listening very closely for some clues about her post-white house plans. she s talked very little about them, but i do know from talking to people close to her, she will focus heavily on women and girls. it s been a passion for her, even from the time that she was very young, and for her it s very personal as someone who grew up on the south side of chicago in a one-bedroom house, within a stone s throw of one of the best universities in the country but she felt as a young girl of color the opportunities were not there for her. she was wait listed at harvard law school. of course she got in and graduated. everything that she could possibly want to do is out there for her, one of the things she will clearly focus on is education, stephanie. so we re waiting to hear some of those details today. amanda, do we think that passion could be paired at all with pessimism? in her last interview where she sat down with oprah winfrey, she talked about a feeling of hopelessness as she talked about the new administration. that may be true but especially recently her speeches have been incredibly optimistic. you look at the speech at democratic national convention, her main line has been when they go low, we go high. that has encapsulated especially how she has approached especially the end of her tenure. she gave another remarkable speech during the campaign when she talked about what a strong man actually looks like and that they don t need to put down women, obviously responding to some of the remarks that donald trump made and she has really tried to be out there, be a role model for children because education is such an important issue to her. you know, i think we will see more of that tone perhaps. ron, what does this mean to michelle obama? we know she s spent a lot of time in the last few months on the campaign trail for hillary clinton, something she didn t want to do. politics isn t something she likes. but at the time she thought it was so important, specifically the messaging, what she needed to do for women and girls and hillary clinton was not elected to be the next president. so what does this speech today mean to michele? the program retire is about inspiring young people, especially young girls to do that, retirach higher, aspire beyond high schools, two year colleges, trade schools. it s her position that to succeed in society these days, you need more than a high school diploma. i think she has a lot to say, the first lady does. she has a lot to get off her chest. i think she ll be a fascinating person to talk to once the obamas leave the white house because she has played this role of first lady, which i think has restrained her in some ways. i think it will be a lot of optimism, a lot of positivity. i think some of the most enduring aspt of the obama legacy is the role model that they have been to so many young people of color in this country, who see them in the white house, who see them as the first family, who see them as a family with two very accomplished young children, who are now older of course. but i think that s what this event is. she likes to be in this kind of an environment where there are young people around, where she can be inspiring, where people will look up to her and where she can tell them essentially you can be me, you can do this. you just have to get past all these obstacles that are in your way. and the obamas are some of the first to say that there are in fact obstacles, that it is different for young people of color to get ahead in this society and they re very proud as well of some of the policies and education space, like the high school graduation rate of being the highest in the nation. the president set a goal of trying to increase the number of americans in college to a higher level than it s been in the past. again, i think this is an vant for the first lady really to just be the inspiring person that she s been, to set the example, to fill the room with optimism, with hope, with a positive vibe as we go through yet another of these last and final moments here at the white house for the past week or so. it seems like every day there s been a last farewell, final moment. it s a very emotional time here for a lot of people, for the staff, for the obamas i m sure. i think you ll see some of that come throughs well. the christmas event a month ago, she was very, very emotional when talking to military families. military families are another cause, another group she s really tried to support wholeheartedly in her time at the white house. if i can tell you a personal story, at the christmas parties, you have your picture taken with the president and first lady and last year i brought one of my brothers with me as my date. you re moving through fairly quickly, you don t have a time for real conversation. as we were walking away, she was thanking my brother. and i said for 30 years he was a school teacher. she stopped everything and spoke with him. that tells you a little bit how education is a priority for her. and she talked about the privacy of her daughters as much as she could. and we don t see a tremendous amount of her children. they are children of privilege and i need to stop you. michelle obama, the first lady, giving her last public speech. [ cheers and applause ] what s going on? thank you all so much. you guys, that s a command. rest yourselves. we re almost at the end. hello, everyone, and may i say for the last time officially welcome to the white house. [ applause ] yes. well, we are beyond thrilled to have you all here to celebrate the 20 national school counlor of the year, as well as all of our sta counselors of the year. these are the fine women and a few good men one good man who are on the stage and they represent schools from across this country and i want to start by thanking terry for that wonderful introduction and her right-on-the-spot remarks. i m going to say more about terry in a few minutes. first i want to introduce our outstanding secretary of education, john king. [ applause ] as well as our former education secretary arnie duncan. [ applause ] i want to take this time to thank you both publicly for your dedication and leadership and friendship. we couldn t do this without the support of the department of education under both of your leadership. so i m grateful to you personally and very proud of all that you ve done for this country. i also want to acknowledge a few other special guests we have in the audience. we ve got a pretty awesome crew. as one of my staff said, you roll pretty few good friends. we have with us today ted allen, lala anthony, cony britton, andy cohen, yeah, andy cohen is here. karla hall, coach jim harbaugh and his beautiful wife who is a lot better looking than him. lana pariya, my buddy jay farrow, kelly roland, usher. keep it down. keep it together, ladies, waleh is here and of course allison williams and her mom are here and all these folks are here because they re using their star power to inspire our young people and i m grateful for you for stepping up in so many ways on so many occasions. i feel like i ve pestered you over these years asking time and time again where are you going to be? i ll be in new york. can you come here, can you do this, take that, ask for that, can you come? can we rap? can we sing? so thank you all so much. it really means the world to this initiative to have such powerful respected and admired individuals speaking on behalf of this issue. so congratulations on the work that you ve done and we re going to keep working. and today, i especially want to recognize all the extraordinary leadership team that was behind reach hire from day one and this isn t on the script so they don t know this. iant to take time to personally acknowledge a couple people, executive director eric waldo. [ cheers and applause ] where is eric? he was in the you got to step out. [ cheers and applause ] step out there. there we go for eric. eric acting like he s a ham but he likes the spotlight. he s acting a little shy. i want to recognize our deputy director, stephanie sprouse. stephanie. [ cheers and applause ] stephanie. back there. and he s really not going to like this because he tries to pretend like he doesn t exist at all but our senior adviser greg darneter. [ cheers and applause ] there you go. greg has been a leader in education his entire life. i ve known him since i was a little organizer person, and it s just been just a joy to work with you all. these individuals, they are brilliant. they are creative. they have worked miracles with hardly any staff or budget to speak of, which is how we roll in the first lady s office. and i am so proud and so grateful to you all for everything that you ve done so let s give them a round of applause. and finally i want to recognize all of you who are here in this audience. we have our educators, our lead leaders, our young people who have been with us since we launched reach hire back in 2014. when we first came up with this idea, we had one clear goal in mind. we wanted to make higher education cool. we wanted to change the conversation around what it means and what it takes to be a success in this country. because let s be honest, if we re always shining the spotlight on professional athletes or recording artists or hollywood celebrities, if those are the only achievements we celebrate, then why would we ever think kids would see clem as a p college as a priority so we decided to flip the script and shine a big bright spotlight on all things educational. for example, we made college signing day a national event. we wanted to mimic all that drama and excitement traditionally reserved for those few amazing football and basketball players choosing their college and university teams. we wanted to focus that same level of energy and attention on kids going to college because of their academic achievements, because as a nation, that s where the spotlight should also be, on kids who work hard in school and do the right thing when no one s watching. many beating daunting odds. next, we launched better make room. it a social media campaign to give young people the support and inspiration they need to actually complete higher education, and to really drive that message home, you may recall that i debuted my music career rapping with jay about getting some knowledge by going to college. [ cheers and applause ] we are also very proud of all that this administration has done to make higher education more affordable. we doubled investments in pell grants and college tax credits. we expanded income-based loan repayment options for tens of millions of students. we made it easier to apply for financial aid. we created a college scorecard to help students make good decisions about higher education and we provided new funding and support for school counselors. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. you re welcome. all together we made in this administration the largest investment in higher education since the gi bill. [ cheers and applause ] and today the high school graduation rate is at a record high, and more young people than ever before are going to college, and we know that school counselors like all of the folks standing with me on this stage have played a critical role in lping get there. in fact a recent study showed students who met with a school counselor to talk about financial aid or college were three times more likely to attend college, and they were nearly seven times more likely to apply for financial aid. so our school counselors are truly among the heroes of the reach higher story, and that s why we created this event two years ago, because we thought that they should finally get some recognition. we wanted everyone to know about the difference that these phenomenal men and women have been making in the lives of our young people every day, and our 2017 school counselor of the year, terry trcyzinskcy a perfect example. terry works at the calhoun area career center, career and technical education school in michigan, and here s what terry s principal said about her in his letter of recommendation. he said once she identifies a systemic need, she works tirelessly to address it. so when students at terry s school reported feeling unprepared to apply for higher education, terry sprang into action to create a school-wide top-to-bottom college readiness effort. under terry s leadership students attended workshops on resume completion, fasfa completion, and ierview preparation, i can barely say it. they did career and personal personality assessments, they helped plan a special college week and organized a military day, hosting recruiters from all branches of our armed forces, and because of these efforts today, 75% of calhoun s seniors now complete key college application steps and terry s school has one state and national recognition, and all of this is just one small part of what terry does for her students each day. i can go on and on about all the time she spends one on one with students helping them figure out their life path. terry told us, as you heard, she told us about one of those students. we reached out to kyra, and here s what kyra had to say in her own words. kyra wrote that mrs. trcyzinski has helped me grow to love myself. she helped me with my doubts and insecurities. she said, my life has changed for the better in all aspects. kyra said she held my hand through my hardest times. she said mrs. trcyzinski is my life saver. that s what kyra said. and this is what each of you do. every single day. you see the promise in each of your students. you believe in them even when
merritricious when writing to the factor. please remember the spin stops here, we are definitely looking out for you. tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, attorney general jeff sessions just said on o reilly s show that it s time to clamp down on sanctuary cities. with that in mind we speak to a lawmaker who says there s nothing wrong with elected officials undermining immigration law. but first charles murray no more. antiwar. anti-murray. tucker: to stop another charles murray event, he spoke at villanova but he had to be escorted out for his own safety after several people at people disrupted the event and called him a supremacist. murray returned after several people were ejected by the. at a nearby drexel university, two days ago he urged the discussed condition of murray s speech. he joins us tonight from mexico city. thank you for coming on. i wonder if you see something inconsistent with someone who teaches at a university dedicated to the idea of the open exchange of ideas, calling for ideas he disagree with to shut be shut down. universities are actually spaces for rational ideas, based in fact and evidence. charles murray has never based his arguments and evidence or fact. he has never passed any kind of progress academic examination of those ideas. he does not publish with academic presses. he s had his research paid for by right wing think tanks. they paid for him to write books like the bell curve. they paid for those books to be published and then they actually paid for journalist to read and take seminars on those books to spread the gospel, as it will work. this is the worst pseudo-intellectual pay for play. tucker: because he has not been published in academic journals and has not passed to the gauntlet of other professors by that standard, plato, aristotle, socrates, none of them i recall publishing in academic journals. is there writing also out of bounds on drexel s campus? i think the question is really also about the content of these writings. it defined as a white nationalist by the southern poverty law center, somebody who burned crosses in his youth and went on to support tucker: let me stop you there. he burned crosses in his youth? i know charles murray and quite a bit about him. i m not familiar with that. can you substantiate that claim? it does not take much research to realize that she claimed it was not racist. he went on to basically make a eugenic argument tucker: he burned crosses? i don t want to get hung up but since we are having a debate about what is accurate and what is not, what are you talking about? charles murray was a member of the clan? you can t throw these things out here. substantiate that, please. tucker, i am pretty sure you know what google is. you know how to do research and if you did that you would realize it something he admitted to although he claims it had no racial undertones. unfortunately as i said, he went on to write that blacks and latinos are racially inferior and genetically debased. this might be interesting for your audience, he argued that poor whites are becoming genetically inferior as well. the most flimsy pseudoscience debunked in every way possible and yet people continue to take it seriously. tucker: you are saying that someone who is make racial inflammatory claims that have not been vetted by academics shouldn t be allowed to speak on the college campus and yet people have said that of you, you called on twitter white genocide. obviously a racially inflammatory thing to say. people shut you down and you call those people in a mob. how is he more racially inflammatory than you, calling for white genocide? i am losing my faith in you or ability to use google. it s a racial fantasy of the kind that charles murray and his book likes to put forward. i am not saying no one i m not saying it should not be allowed on campus, i m saying that not burned any kind of platform and the free-speech rights by that racist speech comes into play at i m doing my best to i am trying to take you seriously. no one takes it seriously. you are accusing the sky of racial demagoguery and you called for white genocide. you also applauded the haitian revolution for killing whites. those are your views. i m not saying you should not be allowed to express them. i am merely pointing out the irony. in saying that charles murray should not be a allowed to speak because he i believe in a very fundamental way that all people are equal. it s very interesting the difference is oes not and he s dedicated his life to prove that they are not are inferior. tucker: i doubt you have read a charles murray book. answer my question. you called for white genocide. i am not making it up. it actually got a lot of attention. are you going to defend not as a principled academic stand? what does that mean exactly? maybe i gave you too much credit, maybe i thought you were too smart and thought you would actually do your research and figure out what is clearly satire. an imaginary concept. of white genocide, which is upheld by the likes of steve bannon and all these all the right figureheads actually think white people in the country are under existential threat. tucker: i don t even understand the answer but i will pass on things that just a couple days ago, you said some guy gave up his first class seat for uniformed soldier. people are thinking him. i am trying not to vomit or yell about also. was that satire too? will you blame stephen bannon for that as well? i think it s really irresponsible to blindly support for example wars that fend off young people into combat, kill many others as we have just seen too many people incinerated by u.s. bombs and to not do that in a way that expands the iraq war tucker: you are blaming the soldier, not the policy. absolutely not. tucker: you say giving up a seat for a soldier in uniform made you want to vomit. you are not saying giving up a seat or the guy who made the war policy but for the soldier, the guy risking his life. why did that make you feel like throwing up? i think u.s. troops need real support. not symbolic gestures. what they need is not a first-class seat, they need support. women in the military don t need to be subjected to an epidemic of sexual assault, take away from their families that do nothing and no good for everyone. tucker: that s fine but why is it bad for them to give them a first-class seat? that makes you mad. why? i m all for generous gestures devoted towards those who most deserved them in and our societ society. particularly for economic reasons make difficult decisions like joining the military, doing other dangerous work that has to take place in our society whether being an economic migrant and i think these people all deserve better. they deserve to not have to join the military if they would rather just tucker: but he did. he doesn t have a government-subsidized job. why did it make you mad? this is how we support the troops. not by sending them off to wars. tucker: you began this conversation with reference to your own scholarship and the academic journals you and your fellow professors published in ant because i do want to take you seriously, i spent some time reading some of them today. i want you to explain to me what this means. i was an editor for a long time. now. it was an interesting day, charles murray came to talk about a government he says has grown too big to give kind of a grim picture on the future of america. it was tough for him to do that today. a book from his past, the bell curve, the reason protesters showed up today calling him a racist, interrupting a lecture he was giving to a small group here. where one protester was spitting in the face of a student that came to watch the lecture. and also another one who argued while arguing for his own right to free speech told mr. murray that he would not be able to speak. here s another one. we will show you now. antiwar, charles murray no more. murray, libertarian political scientist created quite a stir back in the 90s when he published the bell curve, it tied the iq of americans to how successful they will be and also published iq averages of americans according to ethnicity and just to go through those that were published, in first place certain sects of jews, east asian americans, white americans such as charles murray himself and in fourth place, african-americans. of course, this drew a lot of controversy at the time and has for years now. will the book of scientific and murray said that the findings of it are largely supported by the american psychological association. he has been branded as a racist by number of people on the left. and he has been protested quite a bit in a very polarized time right now, he has been protested just in the last few weeks of in middlebury college where the protest turned violent and a professor that was with mr. murray ended up in the hospital with a concussion. someone who attended today s lecture, the hatred for mr. murray, we asked what they thought of the lecture and what they thought about such violence and hatred towards this man. i understand why people are protesting and i understand the heights of sensitivities but at the same time, i understand him trying to further the knowledge of his signs. 95% left a liberal free speech is the enemy of normalcy s at this point. it has to be tamped down. a few of the protesters had to be escorted out. he was able to finish the speech. he clarified the findings of his book, he certainly did make an impression on the student who was african-american. and softened the mood. tucker: thank you, rob. i m sure he was not there to talk about the bell curve but no one paid attention to that. russia s role in the 2016 election, we invited a senator on tonight but instead we actually invited someone who speaks russian. a lawmaker in massachusetts rallying to the defense of a colleague who try to help illegal immigrants hide from federal authorities. why does okay for some loss to be ignored and which ones? a helpful guide for you at home, stay tuned liberty mutual stood with us when a fire destroyed the living room. we were able to replace everything in it. liberty did what? liberty mutual paid to replace all of our property that was damaged. and we didn t have to touch our savings. yeah, our insurance won t do that. well, there goes my boat. you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance the newly advanced gle can see in your blind spot. ok let s call his agent. i m coming over right now. [ dinosaur roar ] onboard cameras and radar detect danger all around you. driver assist systems pull you back into your lane if drifting. bye chief. bye bobby. and will even help you brake, if necessary. it makes driving less of a production. lease the gle350 for $579 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. during the hearing marco rubio said he was targeted by russian hackers as recently as just yesterday. in july 2016 shortly after i announced i would seek election for united states senate, who had access to the internal information about my presidential campaign were targeted by ip addresses. it was unsuccessful. at 10:45 a.m. yesterday, a second attempt was made again against former members of my presidential campaign team who had access to our internal information. again, targeted from an ip address from an unknown location in russia. that effort was also unsuccessful. tucker: carter page was often identified as a trump advisor emma denied collaborating with the russians in any way during an interview with our own catherine herridge. here s part of it. it s literally completely false. in every way shape and form. dino christopher steele? i have never met him. it tucker: that is not the only russian news today. former national security advisor michael flynn appears to gone completely off the defend and has asked for immunity to testify. what to make of all this? a professor emeritus at princeton and nyu, unlike most people talking about this, he actually speaks fluent russian. he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. so let me just say that there are a lot of strands to the story, a lot of things i did not understand. it seems pretty clear that general flynn behaved in ways that we are very hard to defend. at the core of the story was the allegation that the russian government hacked our election. the phrase people are using. it broke into email accounts at the dnc and in the campaign office, used those to help trump win. everyone assumes this is true. we are all operating on the assumption that it is true. is it true? no, repeatedly it was said by senator warren, that of russia had hijacked our democracy. what he means is the russians, prudence direction had gone into democratic national committee s emails which were embarrassing to him mrs. clinton. given them to wikileaks, to damage mrs. clinton and put trump in the white house. this is a very narrative. they are saying this was an act of war. whether or not it is true is existential. are we at war? i got interested in because it s my expertise but what of the things i ve studied for four years was russian leadership. i got interested in putin. i ve been writing a long piece on putin now. did putin could or didn t do such a thing? i can find not one piece of factual evidence. the only evidence ever presented with a study hired by the clintons, the dnc, to do an examination of their computers. they concluded the russians did it, their report has fallen apart. the question is, why the fbi decided to use that private cyber kind of private detective, let s say the new york police department had decided to hire a private detective, why the fbi did not do their own investigation? that s all we have. tucker: and yet night after night, i get people, on both sides assaying 17 u.s. intelligence agencies that would it include coast guard intelligence. have they not concluded that? they say that but it is bogus. when james clapper, the director of national intelligence signed that report in january, technically he represents all 17. i will bet you a dime to a nickel you cannot get a guest on unprepared who could name ten of them. this figure, 17, is bogus. but the point here is critical. the one agency that could conceivably have done a forensic examination on the democratic computers is a national security agency. we learned that from snowden, they are in your computer, mind mind, iphones. everyone else signed that report said they were highly competent. the nsa said it was only moderately competent. you don t go to war with russia, you don t stage this theater that is going on in washington, that which could destroy a presidency but there is one other thing and let me leave you with this when they admit they have no evidence, they fall back on something else, which i think it s very important. they say putin directed russian propaganda at us and helped elect trump. i don t know about you, tucker, but i find that insulting because the premise they are putting out in washington is that the american people are zombies. or lambs, and fixing my metaphors. a judas goat. the premise of democracy that we are democratic citizens. we have a b.s. detector in us and we know how to use it. they are telling us out of washington what rubio is telling us. every politician who loses election here in america and europe is going to say they were hacked by putin. that is what mrs. clinton is saying. tucker: they ve never demonstrated by the way why putin would want trump to win. because trump is for fracking? professor, thank you for that. i don t know the truth but i think it is worth asking these questions. i appreciate you doing that. thank you for joining us. up next, a massachusetts lawmaker is probably defending her decision to try to sabotage i.c.e. by warning illegal aliens of impending emigration rates. she would not return our calls so we will talk to another massachusetts lawmaker who says she did exactly the right thing. that s next. new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america s emissions. energy lives here. all while reducing america s emissions. not to be focusingo finaon my moderatepe. to severe chronic plaque psoriasis. so i made a decision to talk to my dermatologist about humira. humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults taking humira were clear or almost clear, and many saw 75% and even 90% clearance in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. ask about humira, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists. clearer skin is possible. it clearly makes their own cities less safe. tucker: that was attorney general jeff sessions on the o reilly factor talking about the administration s crackdown on sanctuary cities. meanwhile in the common commonf massachusetts, michelle dubois has no regrets on trying to sabotage. she posted rumors that i.c.e. was going to conduct raids in brockton, massachusetts. jimmy alger s is a massachusetts state senator and supports representative dubois reference and trying to make mas sanctuary state for immigrants. thank you for coming on. you would like to see the state of massachusetts vote to make the commonwealth a sanctuary city for people here illegally. that seems to be legitimate. if you are able to do that, how would you feel if a tariff in massachusetts incurred people to ignore the law that you passed. do you think people should be punished for that? when we are talking about representative dubois cup she was looking out for the best interest of her entire community. we know the ice rates have been incredibly destabilized communities. it caused immigrants, legal or undocumented to have less trust in calling the police about a crime. she was really looking out for the best interest of all of her constituents including the immigrants. to limit police interaction with i.c.e. raids. tucker: i ve heard all that a lot. there s no social science to suggest any of this makes community safer but whatever. there is. there are studies that say that. there is. tucker: safer but not because they are sanctuary cities. isn t it a little weird for lawmakers to be encouraging people to ignore the law? we all have different approaches as legislators. in the district i represent, when we have heard rumors about i.c.e. raids, they can reach out and check with the agents to see that happening because the disturbing xenophobic policies of i.c.e. deportations making everyone a priority if you are undocumented, we need some limits at the state level with our taxpayer dollars, state and local police not only because of it would make communities more safe but it s also something that will limit the fear that many immigrant communities are feeling right now. tucker: can we just be real? you know how this works. trump did not write these laws and passed these laws. he s not a legislator or lawmaker. he is enforcing laws that are on the books, passed with a lot of democrats voted for them. what he is saying is there was a very disturbing executive order. prioritizing everyone for deportation. tucker: the basic immigration law is clear to everyone who lives here. there is a process by which you get to come here, you get a green card, you get a visa of some kind. if you don t have that, you are not allowed to be here. it was passed by congress, that s the law, it has been that way for 240 years. nothing to do with trump. do lawmakers get to decide which legitimately passed laws they are going to try to subvert or not? can you see the problem here? i disagree because we are talking about state resources, local police enforcement, we get to make decisions about what level of cooperation we have with federal policies and federal action like i.c.e. agents. tucker: no you don t. it s not about here you haven t stated lawmaker encouraging people to violate the law and doing so explicitly on social media. i m not attacking you, how would you feel if the governor of massachusetts decided that we don t have to pay federal income taxes because they are bad and cost massachusetts a lot of money. would you be in favor of that how would you feel about federal gun laws? like not enforcing federal gun laws, is that legitimate too? what i m talking about is we have a federal immigration policy which is broken. we need immigration reform by republicans in congress, at the state level, what is the best u? we have had police chief after police chief talk about the fact that they would rather direct the resources toward violent criminals, whether those who are undocumented or tucker: you are not engaging my question at all. let me ask you the first question. if you were to pass laws in the state of massachusetts to make it a sanctuary state and there was was a sheriff somewhere who felt like subverting those laws doing what you are doing to the feds but to the state of massachusetts would you support his right to do that? i would not support that because under our belt, we would prohibit sheriff s with collaborating with i.c.e. agents. that s part of the bill. tucker: you are prohibiting people doing the law the ignorg the law but he won t make the same people exercising their freedom of conscience? law officials the other day have to follow state laws and when we are saying is how is the best use of state resources? is it the best use of taxpayer resources to target hard-working families in their communities by giving back and providing a benefit to the commonwealth of massachusetts? tucker: i know your state law. you are from acton down in winchester. there was a teacher strangled in an apartment who we now know is in a legal illegal alien. you talk about protecting these families how much time have you spent protecting people like that woman and her family? now that she is dead? first of all, winchester s not too far away from my district, i feel horrible for the family. worchester. how they found mr. melendez is that it was local police, the district attorney with i.c.e. was not involved with catching these people. it was a case of old police work were able to capture this perso person. tucker: he should not have been here in the first place. he was an illegal alien. if he hadn t been here, he would not have murdered this woman. encouraging him to stay here, i m not you can kind of see the connection here is a human being. what would you say to her parents? sorry? where disagree with you is that if we just have a broad brush against all undocumented immigrants, you are not creating the trust that allows immigrant communities or anyone in the community and feeling comfortable to call the police if they see a crime in their neighborhood. tucker: last question. who should be deported? you have 11 million odd, maybe more, illegal aliens in america. to all of them have the moral right to stay here? who should be deported now? we have had past administrations like the reagan administration that did immigration reform. undocumented immigrants who have a violent criminal history, that have committed a violent act, they should be deported. that s common sense and i think people agree with that. but a broad brush, the prioritizes all undocumented immigrants, i think that s outrageous. it s xenophobic and it is deeply disturbing. tucker: all right. senator, thank you for coming on tonight. i appreciate it. i m next, parents are rallying and montgomery county maryland after a horrifying rape allegedly occurred at rockville high school. a petition demanding melania trump move to d.c. immediately, for reasons that are not exactly clear. is anyone or anything safe from politics these days? and the bitterness that seems to follow it everywhere. we have a panel to discuss that up ahead. guests can earn a how cafree night when theypring book direct on choicehotels.com and stay with us just two times? spring time. badda book. badda boom. or. badda bloom. seriously? book now at choicehotels.com but first things first e call trugreen,. america s #1 professional lawn care company. millions of homeowners like you trust us to give them a lawn they can live on. and tailored care plans ensure their lawns get exactly what they need to thrive. guaranteed. that means you can do more of this, this, this, and this. okay, maybe not this. start your trugreen lawn plan today for only $29.95. and live life outside. and is clinically proven to begin helping many patients achieve both symptom relief as well as remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. while not reported with entyvio, pml, a rare, serious brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. tell your doctor if you have an infection, experience frequent infections, or have flu-like symptoms, or sores. liver problems can occur with entyvio. if your uc or crohn s medication isn t working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach. alleged rape is not the first violent crime in rockville hi. an appearance at tonight s rall rally, how are you doing? we are outside that board of education meeting going late tonight, right where i am standing there were dozens of protesters at sue s head rallying for accountability in the school system. here s what some of them had to say. we are worried about the lack of accountability of our school officials and our elected officials. parents don t know they can send their children to school and know that they will be safe. we have grown men with a little to no education that are walking the hallways with our young children. students and parents are very concerned for her safety. earlier today, there was some news in that rape case. the judge, the 17-year-old rape suspect denying a bail, is the big revelation tonight is a video of brutality that occurred nine days before the alleged rape. it is caught on camera. it is brutal. look at this. it is just vicious. physically i am getting but mentally, i m not getting better because of the social media harassment, it has been worse than the actual attack. bullying. ya. what has happened? threats, the video being out there. the memes. everything. the comments. mean-spirited? yeah. you say that that hurts words then actual physical, brutal assault that you underwent? yeah. as you and i talked a little bit off camera, just kind of a message here, those kids and adults need to realize just how damaging this stuff is. do do you think that customx no, they don t. the school officials did absolutely nothing. they did not call the police, the school resource officer who is a police officer, that is supposed to be at the school was not there on the property that day and there was no replacement for him. so the school did not call the police for reasons we cannot answer. we don t know. they did not call 9114 young lady who just sustained a head injury. that brave young woman wanting her boys to be heard and again, that assault happened nine days before the alleged rape. putting out a statement saying they are committed to student safety but that family absolutely not seeing eye to eye with the school system here. we will see what develops and it is certainly the reason why they were protesters out here as we saw earlier. tucker: griff jenkins in rockville. the vice president taking prudent steps to avoid scandal so our s candle mongering media is ridiculing him. have we tumbled to a new low in politics? a panel up straight ahead.e not. tell you what, i ll give it to you for half off. sfx: engine revving (silence) i noticed it as soon as we moved into the new house. a lot of people have vertical blinds. well, if a lot of people jumped off a bridge, would you? you hungry? i m okay right i m. i m becoming my, uh, mother. it s been hard, but some of the stuff he says is actually pretty helpful. pumpkin, bundling our home and auto insurance is a good deal! like buying in bulk! that s fun, right? progressive can t protect you from becoming your parents, but we can protect your home and auto. this seems like another opportunity to beat up on evangelicals. this is not a crazy view among observant or orthodox muslims. is it? if you want me to be honest? the first thing i thought was poor mrs. pence. can you imagine, all the hundreds of events she gets dragged to all the time? i would kill myself. tucker: [laughs] you know what this really means. i felt so terrible for her. what a terrible arrangement. she deftly got the short end of the stick. tucker: you live here as well, people of a tough time keeping their marriages together because it it s not a wholesome town. it is a cesspool of sin. this is a very interesting conversation to have because i respect their personal choice to do this and keep their marriage together. i think that s why it has worked so well for them. there are a lot of women in power, on both sides of the political spectrum who fall tempted to lack victim to temptation. what i don t want to see happen is that women who work in government, let s say you have ideals or dreams of becoming chief of staff can t stay after there and be around abbas because they may feel uncomfortable in that situation. feel like some discussion needs to be around that thing. there are a lot of women who consider themselves to be at the table but maybe feel like they are making their bosses wife uncomfortable by doing that. tucker: it is a tough thing. by the way, work relationships do flowers sometimes interpersonal relationships. that s totally real but what i am struck by is the judgment from people who make a living denouncing others for judging, the editor of mother jones went on a twitter rant. clearly pretty unhappy person in her personal life, i guess. i have no issue with it. i agree with ashley. when you take this into the professional realm, outside to your personal life, do whatever you want. you be you and your marriage. i m thrilled for you that you have found something that works. i would never want to judge somebody else s relationship but when it comes to your public figure working in the u.s. government, which vice president pentz has been for many years, how do you make at this so that it is not extremely disadvantageous? for females? tucker: i agree with the on that. like uncle americo. i agree with the outrage, that s a little tucker: almost 400,000 people have now signed a petition demanding melania trump to move to the white house from new york. for many years, you do not attack the first lady unless she does something unusual. what is this? this seems crazy to me because she has said and it may be unconventional that she s not in the white house but she still doing first lady duties even still being out in the white house. because she wants her son to finish school, she somehow is now being blamed and the reason for it is they are paying an exorbitant amount of taxpayers for her security. what about all the vacations the obama s went on? tucker: government spending, i wish we had more time. thank you both. we will be right back. [laughs] i came to ibm to manage global clients and big data. but i found so much more. ( ) it s really a melting pot of activities and people. (applause, cheering) new york state is filled with bright minds like victoria s. to find the companies and talent of tomorrow, search for our page, jobsinnewyorkstate on linkedin. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! ( ) it s off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america s emissions. energy lives here. all while reducing america s emissions. well, what are you doing o take care otomorrow -10am? but. staff meeting. 3:45? tai chi. 6:30? sam s baseball practice. you are busy. wouldn t it be great if you had investments that worked as hard as you do? yeah. introducing essential portfolios the automated investing solution. s at crowne plaza we know business travel isn t just business. there s this. a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we re all business, mostly. tucker: into nights adventures and social engineering, trash cans serve a purpose. new york removed trash cans for more than 30 subway stations. littering with the client? it did not work. without trash cans, people simply threw their garbage on the ground, litter increased. how will this affect other
i know you have other duties for the network so we ll let you go. but with eappreciate we appreciate you being with us. jonathan swan, i m sure you have more of the conversations than i do, but aides increasingly want you to one, give them credit for all the quote crazy stuff that doesn t happen. i think i have seen that in axios and other places, and two for the scripted moments which are sort of milestones that they are proud of getting him to hit. whether it s ultimately affirming the commitment to article 5, whether it s delivering a decision on afghan policy. and they want to sort of separate out judgment or responsibility from these wild, unhinged performances like last night. yes. it s doubly strange because you really have a white house at the senior level where if you take the family out of it, if you take jared and ivanka who obviously voted for their father in law and their father, if it was any other election they weren t related to him they would have voted for hillary 2015. there s no difference between the guy who walked out of trump tower in july 2015 or june, whenever it was, and the guy on stage now. the only difference is they re in office so these people have become used to it. they have become almost immune to the scandal. really what you hear is exhaustion often and, you know, they find a lot of them find it hard to muster fresh outrage. i find that they want they want to be singled out for praise. they really do, as anthony scaramucci said, feel like they re saving america from donald trump. i want to you about something i think was tweeted in the last couple of hours that perhaps something that triggered donald trump. we talk about triggers. and gateways here for donald trump. but something that might have triggered him was the new york times reporting about his cold war and the frosty relationship between donald trump and senate majority leader moitch mcconnel. do you have any insight into the relationship and whether the reports fueled the rage we saw from the president last night? i don t think there was any causal relationship between anything that happened in the previous 24 hours and what he was like on stage. again, like people try and link all sorts of things to the way that donald trump behaved on stage last night, but it was not of a different order than what he s done in every other scene where he s been before a crowd like that. if you compare it to the speech he did a year before in phoenix there are different things. same outrage response. what i can confirm is that the relationship between donald trump and mitch mcconnell is truly appalling at this point. it really has reached a nadir. all right, let me bring you in on this and ask you about this i take jonathan swan s reporting to the bank. but i saw him pull out a piece of paper out of his jacket. i thought he came loaded for bear for some score setting that wasn t the normal donald trump sort of in the round. and when he pulled that paper out, i thought, uh-oh. i leaned back and i got ready for the tirade. but i want to play for you so i want your thoughts on what you think his state of mind was when he went into this rally first. but then i want to play for you some of the sound that i think really underscores what jonathan alluded to which is this cold war that may be spilling out into the public with republican senators. just your thoughts about last night. jonathan s right that it was the same trump that we saw on the campaign trail, but there were certainly some moments that stood out from others, nicolle. to my mind, this was one of those moments when for example during the campaign trump felt that he was personally under siege or that he was struggling in the polls. you would see him ratchet up this language about there being a rigged election. about how, you know, he is under attack from his enemies. the media is out to get me. that directly correlated with how he was feeling personally at the time about his status in the election. so i think there is probably also an emotional aspect to this because who among us can come up with a good political calculus explanation for what he did last night? there is none. rallying the base, he s not at the point in his presidency where he needs to rally the base. he s got to be passing legislation. right. and growing his base. the only conclusion that i can draw from that spectacle last night it fed some kind of inner need that he trump the man had to be surrounded with the adulation and support and cheers from his loving and adoring crowds. let s look at this his comments about some republican senators. and think think we were just one vote away from victory after seven years of everybody proclaiming repeal and replace. one vote away. one one. one vote away. they all said, mr. president, your speech was so good last night, please, please, mr. president, don t mention any names. so i won t. i won t. and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator who s weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won t talk about him. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody knows who the hell he is. heidi, the two senators are senator mccain who s fighting a valiant fight against brain cancer and senator jeff flake. that s the one i think he says nobody knows who he is. he has a book on the new york times best seller list but never mind that. did he make that job of getting something passed easier or harder with the comments? i m going to say, not strategic. we are going into the period here where all of the cards are stacked against him in terms of getting tax reform done. anybody who knows all about how congress works and the special interest groups who are coming out with their knives on tax reform know it s health care on steroids if they get to that point. but the most damning thing he did was throw in that bomb about a potential shutdown, threatening a shutdown. if you thought health care was peak dysfunction in congress, just wait. he ll be at odds with his party in a way we did not see with health care if he tries to force down a shut down over spending on the wall. there s no one who will give him a red cent for that. maybe a little bit if they want to try a compromise with democrats but he s not going to get his wall funding because if they want a clean bill, they have to work with democrats. democrats like pelosi call the wall immoral. so he might have put us on a trajectory to another government shutdown. eli, we re talking about a shutdown with a congress in the same party. we re talking about a president who now i think has hurdled more insults at republican senators than democrats, at least in the last 14 days but you have told me time and time again as this white house functioning in parallel universes. explain. the schizophrenia we feel is from the parallel track from presidential trump, giving a speech ear afghanistan. and then what we saw the following night which is off the rails political theater. so off the rails that james clapper suggested he shouldn t have the nuclear codes. he s talking about unifying the country and then seconds later sowing division and then the part that feels like it s actually coming from trump. the people who have been around him, look, you have to release the pressure, open up that valve. go to therapy, take a pill. that s what we re seeing. i think what concerns people who work in this administration, republicans on capitol hill, is that the pressure never seems to be fully released and you do see i mean, yes, jonathan is right. this president is doing the same shtick he has been doing over a year and you can tell he s backed into the corner. he s on an island and isolated and that s coming through in a lot of these comments here. he s had conversations with close friends, people inside the administration, his new chief of staff all urging him, look, we have to get beyond the base, we have to tone it down. the charlottesville thing was not good. he takes that advice in and then goes off script and does his own thing. i don t know what there is for a lot of the aides to do. and i don t know what the end of it is when he seems like he always sort of has to say what he needs to say to make himself feel better. even though he s president of when you have an infant that s called self-soothing. joining by phone is former chief of staff for the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. thank you for jumping on the phone for us, i know you re far away. i had to get you on the record from james clapper s comments that kept me awake last night. after watching the president s performance last night he was concerned about this man having access to the nuclear codes. your thoughts? theater, nicolle. general clapper who served 3 2 years in the air force was a leader of a director of the defense intelligence agency and the national geospatial agency. he knows more about national security than almost walking the face of the earth and he said that he does not believe the president is fit for office. that he cannot be trusted with the national command authority to launch nuclear weapons and we should just remind viewers, nicolle, in our system, only the president of the united states has the authority to launch nuclear weapons. and nobody not a single person can countermand that order. if the president gives the order around it can happen very rapidly, the president gives the order not the secretary of defense, not the combatant command of u.s. strategic command, nobody can say no. jeremy bash, this is not the first time we have heard someone publicly question donald trump s fitness to serve. it was less than a week ago that bob corker, republican senator and ally of this president, not an agitator, like the two senators he attacked last night. he questioned quote donald trump s competence and stability. getting right at this core issue that we re talking about. fitness to command the nation s military, fitness to possess those nuclear codes. i wonder if in your circles, in defense and intelligence circles if this is a tip of the iceberg, the words that the two men are saying, do they possibly represent the deepest fears of a larger group of people in those circles? nicolle, i have heard these rumblings for months from senior intelligence officials both inside the agencies, as well as recently retired professionals. i have heard it from currently serving military officers. there is deep concern about the stability of the person who occupies the oval office. i should note on the nuclear issue, nicolle, in early august the president had a bizarre tweet in which he said i ve ordered as my first order the upgrade and modernization of our nuclear forces. this is around the time of the locked and loaded tweet about north korea. and there is deep concern because what i m told is that the president sort of directed in an off handed way the pentagon to massively increase the nation s nuclear arsenal. and the pentagon has not done it because the pentagon does not understand what the rationale would be. many more nuclear weapons than we have operational war plans requirements for and so the president is trying to characterize the massive nuclear upgrade and the pentagon is scratching its head and saying we don t understand what the commander in chief is telling us to do. there s much more coming out about the nuclear piece about this and a big, big disconnect between the professional military and the president on the nuclear issue. thank you, jeremy bash. my thanks to jonathan swan, heidi and eli are sticking around. when we come back we ll ask our panel about that presidential temper tantrum and the questions it s raising about his fitness to serve from one of america s most respected national security voices. and relitigating charlottesville. the president wasted no time reopening his worst case against himself. if that tied your brain in a knot, join the club. we ll ask our panel why the president can t let anything go. m and where i came from. i did my ancestrydna and i couldn t wait to get my pie chart. the most shocking result was that i m 26% native american. i had no idea. just to know this is what i m made of, this is where my ancestors came from. and i absolutely want to know more about my native american heritage. it s opened up a whole new world for me. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. chances are, the last time yoyou got robbed.an, i know i got a loan 20 years ago, and i got robbed. that s why i started lendingtree the only place you can compare up to 5 real offers side by side, for free. it s like shopping for hotels online, but our average customer can save twenty thousand dollars. at lendingtree, you know you re getting the best deal. so take the power back and come to lendingtree.com, because at lendingtree when banks compete, you win. comcast business. built for business. the president has not yet has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. that was republican senator corker last week where do we go from here? let s bring in the panel. joining us is is it eli and me at the table. john heilemann. our friend donny deutsch, robert traynham and heidi is still with us. all right, donnie, you did some homework. i didn t know where your show was going today, but i watched last night and i was you try to analyze. trying to listen to heidi, listen to smart people like yourself, and i did some homework. there s nothing political about this. i need 40 seconds. how to determine if someone is a sociopath. the person it s a condition that prohibits people from adopting to the community. they re usually extremely charming and charismatic. they feel entitled to certain people, and things they believe their own beliefs are only it and they have trouble osuppressing anger and impatience or annoyance. they do bizarre and risky and outrageous things. their professional liars. they make outlandish, untruthful statements and that i get comfort they get comfortable with their lying. they get bored easily and require constant stimulation. sounds like me. they re capable of experiencing guilt or shame, they re manipulative. when they try to dominate people to gain positions of leadership. they have a hard time dealing with criticism. now we have to go to break. no, i mean, you start i m not being glib here. i know you re not. we re trying to analyze this rationally or the left brain and there is none. coming off of clapper and corker, i have to say what is wrong with this man? it s interesting so many of the traits of the sociopath, he s displaying. not one of us is capable of diagnosing him, but i have heard from people close to him that he feels trapped that all of the releases as you have been talking about are not from private life are not available to him. he feels like a caged animal. and that there is something depressing to him about being scrutinized the way he is. that he s you know, again, these are friends. these are not people rooting against him, but they recognize i mean, they haven t diagnosed him as a sociopath, but they say the behavior is anything outside of normal. if you look at the people in the common vernacular, if you have the recurring self-destructive tendencies yeah, like your friend s jerky boyfriend. the way he in his case, i mean, the obvious problem he has with the truth is kind of again small the things he did last night in reading the edited versions of the charlottesville responses. what he tells untruths, lying to people on the camera, either by omission or comission. the reverie of telling the stories of being on center stage of the debate stage, back when he was free, like a free range trump, roaming around the country having rally after rally. that was a mode he enjoyed being in. back when he won, people speculated on on the notion when he won, he was not looking at the constriction they all go crazy in the maximum security prison that is the white house but he s lived a free range life and now the scrutiny is high. the responsibilities are extraordinary. the job is not a fun job. it s it brings out all of his i understand all of his worst character flaws. but do they add up to what james clapper described last night which is fundamental lack of fitness to serve? i m not going to rule on that question, but serious people whether it s bob corker or others in private, many democrats and certainly lots of people in the national security and intelligence community are asking that question on an hourly basis. is he just in some fundamental way emotionally, psychologically, emotionally, not up to this job? robert traynham, he s a republican president. probably a stain on the republican party till the end of time on questions of race for all of the divisions he s sown in the last 14 days. but let me ask you about this question that james clapper posed last night saying that he doesn t trust this man with the nuclear codes. there is no example in history of a national and i worked for a president who carried out controversial policies when its came to foreign policy, but no one ever questioned they questioned the wisdom of his foreign policy but never his fitness to serve. never heard this before. i want your thoughts on clapper s comments following corker s assessment that donald trump lacks the competence and stability for the job he has and james clapper s announcement last night that after what he witnessed this man should not be in control of the nuclear codes. it s chilling. it s frightening. it s a head scratcher. it s a head scratcher for me because these are good people. a lot of good people. a lot of them probably are not racists and they voted for donald trump last november but they obviously felt that he was the only one that could perhaps maybe calm some of their fears. so my question is specifically to them, what do you see in him? you know, take the declarative statements out of it for a second. take the comments about i m going to bring coal jobs back and whatever and whatever. what do you see in him when its comes to being a father or a moral figure? do you talk to your daughter and say look at the camera or television screen, i want you to be like him, i want you to marry someone like him. so it s really really interesting to me how people are doubling down and saying that this person is fit for office. i m not even going into the mental aspect of it because i m not a psychologist, but this president refuses to undertake, the self-destructive spectacle that he does on a daily basis whether it s on twitter or whether it s in front of a crowd. it is so sad and so un-american and so unpresidential that i just have to ask the question to all americans out there, what do you see that i don t see because what i see is something that s embarrassing. not only to the republican party, but to the whole entire country. all right. when we come back we re simply hitting pause but donald trump stands by his men. sheriff arpaio and jeffrey lord. one of them accused of terrorizing the citizens of phoenix and the other fired for tweeting a nazi salute and blaming the media for dividing america. how is that for an alternate reality? we ll show you what donald trump said about the media he can t stop watching. terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. this is me speaking. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. that s me speaking on saturday. we re closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. we caught you. you left out the many sides part which was what got you in all that trouble, mr. president. donnie, it s not funny. i mean, seriously, but here it is again. i guess back to your point he s making it about yourself. a woman died, heather heyer died, she was on the side of angels, they were the bad guys. he talked about many sides. he thinks if he keeps at it, if he keeps pulling the crumpled papers out of to suit pocket and attacking the media in the back of the room doing their jobs maybe he ll convince someone. i want to go back to another explanation other than him being a sociopath. i was in i want to bring up the russian probe because this is think about this. that is in his head 24/7. he knows what he s done. and if he knows that, he thinks his days are numbered. i was a block from trump tower when he came back last week and he can t come home again. it was so morose this was his town. he has lost the old donald trump. it must have been devastating for him to pull up and be booed like a criminal out of new york whereas to the point he s saying to himself the only thing i have left are these 20, 30% for my next life. for my television network, for my website. for my this. he can t go home again. i think that maybe some of this madness if it s not madness is just an evil calculation of his next life. and because it just you say to yourself, there is no next life. you can t go back to where you were and that s why he keeps doubling, tripling, quadrupling on the racism. the politics of the white identity politics and the lynn fabric wrote that he says he makes white feel like a minority. that s what s been doing in the last week. nobody likes to hear, you know, that the president i mean the president is saying these things an everybody is astounded he can give the papal blessing to the pkkk and then he says, oh, no, they re bad. i mean, it s all over the map but the fact is he s we re in this place that his voters and people they see the media hyperventilating about this. it s somehow elitist to tell the people that he s racist i mean, help me out here. we re not telling him anything. we re simply showing them when he tries to reshape history it s all on tape. yes. for a man who is as media savvy as he is, he s a tv producer, part of what was brilliant about him as a politician in 2016 was that he understood the stage. he understood how things looked. for someone who understands media as well as he does it s amazing the blind spot how the things live on in the archive forever. he doesn t care on some level. he lies promiscuously and with impunity. he has been taught over and over again, even though people call him on the lies all the time that he pays no real price with the only people he cares about which is the core. the base, the people that matter to him. i just think on some level there s like like in some parts of the world there are these deep diving holes. like blue holes. his craw is like that. donald trump has a craw and when he gets something stuck in the craw it s in there really deep. he can t get it out. on this issue he s never going to let go of the charlottesville thing. he ll be taking the papers out and reading flawed, deceptive, lying versions of that until 2020. he could be reading those things in three years from now. we can see him reading the things to call us the fake media media. which tells you what? he s mad man. heidi, let me ask you how you cover someone who sort of renders really the worst thing you can say about someone is to call them a racist and the second worst thing you can say about someone is calling them a liar. how do you cover a president who s crossed both transoms? it s hard for the reporters who had people shout at them. i know they have had water bottles thrown at them. i had to be personally escorted off of a debate because we had a bunch of hostile protesters behind us trying to interrupt the you know, the discussion there. so i think it s probably hard for the reporters who are there. but at the same time, they know like john says that trump is most comfortable when he s producing his own reality show. we all knew after the election that once he no longer had hillary clinton as his opponent he was going to try and make us into his opponent and every time he gets into political troubled waters, that he will keep he ll go back to that. he ll keep coming back to the media beating up on the media. he knows it s an effective tool at least with his base. but at the same time, it is personal because he himself was unusual candidate in just how connected to the media he is and how much he lives off of the highs of being covered and watching coverage of himself. nicolle, i remember being in a greenroom, i was covering hillary clinton but i was listening to a colleague. i won t say who it was, but this person was on the phone kind of having an interesting discussion. when he got off, i realized he was on the phone with trump. i have covered many campaigns i have never seen that happen before where the candidate starts to call dialing up reporters so as much this was john heilemann, they were going to get all the scoop. in the commercial break we re being forced to take, we re simply hitting pause and we ll come back and pick this all up. don t go anywhere. i ve been taking the stairs lately. you win, big guy. sorry, scuse me! oh, he looks so much more real on tv. yeah. over 75 years of savings and service. get your rate quote today. but the very dishonest media, those people right up there with all the cameras the failing new york times which is so bad. the washington post which i call a lobbying tool for amazon, okay? cnn which is so bad and so pathetic and their ratings are going down. they have little george stephanopoulos talking to nikki haley. little george. the only people giving a platform to these hate groups is the media itself and the fake news. for the most part, honestly, these are really, really dishonest people and they re bad people. and i really think they don t like our country. i really believe that. robert traynham, it s mashed together, it s startling and almost cartoonish. but to accuse the journalists in this country who when america goes to war every war we ever had in this history of this country there are journalists embedded, they have been the ones that chronicled the sacrifices made by young men and women. journalists that work at the white house actually work in the white house building, they put in the same long hours as the white house staff. i just have never seen anything like it from a president who frankly when the white house press corps travels to cover the president he s responsible for their safety. it s the only profession as you know, nicolle, that is expressly covered and protected in the constitution. but let s put this in context. here we have ten missing soldiers with the uss john mccain here at sea. here we have the situation in north korea. here we have vladimir putin lurking around. you know, this is what the president s talking about? this is what he s thinking about? you know this is top of mind extrem brainous thinking and it s really chilling that our president of the united states is spending time talking about this when you would think that his heart and his mind would be thinking about the middle east. and about how to stabilize the situation over in in terms of the relationship with russia and china and so forth. it s so small thinking and so petty and it s not even kindergarten. this is prekindergarten. this is toddler-like thinking and childish like talk. and then the question i have, nicolle, for the rest of the american people is, what does melania trump say to her husband at nighttime, what does ivanka or jared say? you would think they would say, you know, dad, you know, donald, i know you want to be loved. i know you want to go down as the greatest president. this is not the way to do it. if you want to go down as the greatest president, focus on infrastructure. focus on health care. focus on the middle east. don t play to our worst fears. play to our best hopes. and it s just unbelievable that we re having this conversation in the context of who our president of the united states is right now. eli, you re a white house reporter, you cover this president. what even in the back of the rallies, what do you think? well, there s a lot of cognitive dissonance from those inside the administration who say, you know, he didn t do this. you know, it s fine. when you re at the rallies honestly, yes, i understand the fact that some journalists worry about their safety. even not at the rallies. there are more journalists thinking about their safety for the first time on any assignment they covered because we re not war correspondents and don t really contemplate that. but i think the thing that i think about most of all is not for my own personal safety, but sort of what happens to us as a country when you have a president on that platform telling people that the media are people who don t really love this country. that is just like muslims don t love this country and mexicans, that s what a dictator does. he points to people just like he points those people behind the camera who by the way are cameramen, hard working, they re the reason for your problems. the mexicans, the islamists, those people. that is what josef stalin did and what adolf hitler did. that s the autocrat playbook is. if you look at around the world and look at second and third world countries the first thing they do is delegitimize the press. it s broader in some cases that you have the people going after the other. but the specific thing to the press it s something that authoritarians do and most of us who have been not been war correspondents and we don t go to trump rallies. like the words he used about charlottesville are going to we have seen one person end up dead. more are going to get hurt and killed and it s going to happen at a trump rally. like last night, someone is going to turn around and beat a reporter. when that happens it will be a year and a half of trump talking this way and he s been effectively whipping up this frenzy. not delegitimizing the press and it will be on trump. do you think he understands that? very quickly to john s point, then the question is what does the congress do? where do republicans stand up and god bless jeff flake and others who have already and senator corker who have already came out and talked about this. but where are the rest of the republicans on capitol hill that will say, enough is enough. this is not about the party. this is not about left versus right. this is about right versus wrong. all right. we have to sneak in one more break. when we come back, president trump s not so subtle hint that he will in fact pardon controversial former sheriff joe arpaio. of course he will. four seconds on the clock, down by one. championship on the line. erin the sharpshooter shanahan fakes left. she s outside of the key, she shoots. .she scores! uh. yes, erin, it is great time to score a deal. we need to make room for the 2018 models. relive the thrill of beating the clock. the volkswagen model year end event. hurry in for a $1,500 in available bonuses and 0% apr for 60 months on a new 2017 jetta or passat. it s our back to school beeone cent evente. at office depot office max. 10 pack pens, one cent. composition notebooks,scissors, and plastic folders all one cent each! hurry to office depot office max. taking care of business. then the president said he d be just fine. and then he heepd praise on jeffrey lord who was fired from cnn for tweeting about hitler. the unity rally. yes, who does he single out for praise a high who gets fired for giving a nazi salute. the court said was racist. so there s the white identity politics again. and yes, you re right. when you talk to senior administration officials you hear them say you think that was crazy, you should have heard some other things that we got him not to do. and you do have to step back and say, okay, great, but after that rally, what matters? if you can t stop that, why should you get credit for stopping another tweet or something else? that s not a dog whistle. that s like 500 air horns going off at once. you on your show last week i followed you saying that the very good people like gary cohn and steve mnuchin and dean that powell who stand next to him, how do they i understand the generals. you can t leave him. of course, he could blowup the world, but how do these continue people continue to rationalize it because there is none. i keep challenging those people. i don t understand it. listen, i asked the question when the three magazine covers came out, i asked the question when i saw the donald trump return to the many sides argument and i think that i hear what you hear, that you have no idea about all the crazy bleep we kill and that their argument, i m not defending it, but their argument is things would be so much worse if we weren t there. maybe they need to bottom out a little bit. this is not the bottom the things that need to happen that have to happen, it s not bottomed out yet? no, and you know that. that s the tragic part. where is the bottom? i mean, we ve already seen things in the administration that are as i mean, i don t know. i wouldn t even want to speculate because it will put ideas into their head. one of our inflexion points, you just said if the reporter ends up dead, donald trump would have blood on their ends, further racial violence. things could get worse in a million ways and certainly we know from reporting that there are white nationalists groups who are planning morale liz and demonstrations around america. those things are going to happen. nothing bad happened in boston, but those things are going to happen and if they get uglyier and more violent and more people end up dead, yes, it will be on donald trump s head. i was going to say, john is exactly right. did you see richard spencer s tweet? we all know he s a prominent white narmist and he said trump has not nor will he condemn the alt-right movement. so this is really the end of an experiment in a way, nicolle, that we ve had for the past six months thinking that you could surround trump with the right people and that they would get him to not do these things. bannon is gone. it s the same trip. bob mueller, hurry up, please. we have to hit pause one more time. stay with us. thank you so much. thank you! so we re a go? yes! we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let s do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what s it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you re a go! you got the green light. that means go! oh, yeah. start saying yes to your company s best ideas. we re gonna hit our launch date! (scream) thank you! goodbye! let us help with money and know-how, so you can get business done. american express open. you re searching for something. so you can gwhoooo.ness done. like the perfect deal. .on the perfect hotel. so wouldn t it be perfect if. ..there was a single site. .where you could find the. .right hotel for you at the best price? there is. because tripadvisor now compares. .prices from over 200 booking. .sites .to save you up to 30%. .on the hotel you want. trust this bird s words. tripadvisor. the latest reviews. the lowest prices. your bbut as you get older,ing. it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered. in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember.
watch their body language. in the press conference, which is the first time we assumed questions about don junior will come up. what, errol, are you expecting? i m expecting in addition to all the things we ll end up talking about, there will be interesting stuff around trade and tourism and all the normal things that go on when two nations of this kind are together. when the questions begin, though, i m very interested to hear what the french press is going to ask. we ve got this narrative and it s going to probably continue here for a long time where the president says all of american media is against him except for the conservative press. it s all fake news. we re making things up, getting paid more to say things damaging to him and so forth. the french press who are a pretty sharp bunch, they have nothing to do with any of that. they ll answer very straightforwa straightforward questions whabt what did you dorks when did you do it, what s going on with your son? are you aware they re trying to destabilize other western european governments and on and on and on. it will be interesting to see what president trump has to say. it s going to be fascinating to hear him speak out loud about the revelation about his son don junior. you know that will come up. karoun, the president ploeted a little how he ll respond. he said everyone would have taken the meeting that don junior took. he said there was zero coordination, the dumbest thing i ve ever heard. this is a hoax, this is made up by the democrats, greatest con job in history. a party sits down the day after they got their ass kicked, he said it, not me, what s their excu excuse? the white house has two lines, everyone would have taken the meeting, it s still a hoax. i don t think that s it. this is chapter 4, less than a week since this first came out. the president s traditional point the finger and blame game is not quite as probable as it usually is when he s saying don t believe the media and their fake sources. this is his own son who put out those e-mails in which it says very clearly, hey, we ve got russian government information that s damaging to your opponent. great. i love it. it would be ideal if it came out in late summer. more discussion about, okay, this is a russian lawyer with government ties. it s there in black and white, something his own son put out there. the blame game of this being a hoax and don t trust the people saying it, who is he talking about? he s also, as you said, in the reuters interview saying everyone would have done it, no big deal, which is basically talking both ways. there s what his son put out there which seems to suggest some level of coordination or at least an intent to coordinate. you can t say there s no coordination and coordination at the same time. it s very interesting that he s in paris meeting with macron. can you imagine on a day when we ve got massive icebergs breaking off from antarctica, what they would be talking about, when this isn t front and center, what s been going on in that family, at the epicenter of this administration with the russia ties. fascinating to see what s on the parisian reporters minds, if they want to talk climate change, we assume they will. david drucker, what do you see? i think this is a very interesting trip for the president. even though he s had a lot of frosty ties with our traditional allies, president macron invited president trump to meet with him and enjoy the bastille day festivities and president trump accepted. we have to look at this as the potential for a very important relationship for this president who, despite what he said coming out of the g20, hasn t necessarily gotten along with the leader of germany a, and others in europe are so concerned and rightly so about his commitment to nato, his commitment to the u.s. role as the leader of the west notwithstanding the speech he delivered in warsaw. i think there s so much that can come out of this, especially because really the way to trump s heart is the personal. so by inviting trump to paris and by showing him around by the way, that restaurant in the eiffel tower is a great spot. don t discount these things. that s how i avoided the line in the eiffel tower. it is a great spot. these are the kinds of things for this president in particular given that so much of him is relying on the personal rather than the policy and values, that this could be a very useful relationship for the united states, and this could be a way for trump to sort of learn and appreciate the value of our european alliances. a useful relationship for the president today because he gets to be somewhere otherhan washington, d.c. facing the heat on the late of the report about his son, errol louis. it doesn t escape the greater questions about russia and the investigation. the president was asked more about that yesterday. was russia involved? what did you tell vladimir putin inside the meeting? the president s latest response is, you know, i think something happened, basically i think something happened and we need to keep looking into it. something happened isn t what the u.s. intelligence services say. they say vladimir putin directed a weaponized cyber attack on the u.s. election system. it s an odd sort of time shifting conversation you have with the president when he talks about these things when he says, gee, something happened, somebody ought to look into it. coincidentally enough, president trump, we have 17 intelligence agencies, the top four of this have looked into this already and presented some conclusions. you might want to follow up on that. here again, the public conversation about this coming out of the white house has been almost exclusively political and never touching on what is the followup, how do we slam the door on this to make sure it never happens again. the joint cyber security idea was floated for a couple hours and then it went away. there has to be some kind of a response. he did say, by the way, in that answer, he does say so it doesn t happen again. he did tell that to reuters which is a little bit of a different take on it from the president. we ll see what he suggests to put in place, whether it s legislation, best practices, keeping in mind, of course, that all those things have been suggested by multiple sources. speaking of time shifting, karoun, president trump likes to time travel back to the campaign and he was doing this in an interview yesterday. let me play a portion where he talks again about hillary clinton. if hillary had won, our military would be disseminated. our energy would be much more expensive. that s what putin doesn t like about me. that s why i say why would he want me. from day one i wanted a strong military. he doesn t want to see that. from day one i want fracking to get energy prices low. he doesn t want that. he would like hillary where she wants to have windmills. what do you think, karoun, about why the president likes to dwell in that sort of same contest? it helps his support, i think. he s a guy that cares about the politics of it more than the policy. this seems to be a way of presenting itself. look, people on both sides of the aisle, frankly, are not willing let go of the 2016 elections. you have to remind people opposed t the president the president saying i m better than obama, better than what you would have gotten with clinton. hillary clinton was hawkish for democrats and trump s plans for expansion have been criticized by people like john mccain saying, not good enough, it s all talk. he s about branding his policies. that s the best forum for him to do that, to continue this narrative of the election because it diverts attention away from what he s doing now back to the choice people had. hillary clinton was a polarizing figure. i m sure he thinks it helps him. this was an is interesting way to present this in terms of the russia probe. he s saying, oh, putin would have liked her more. we know putin and clinton had a very i m kabl relationship. we know from don junior s e-mails that the russian government had incriminating information about hillary. he should check out those e-mails. hours from now senate republicans will roll out the latest health care bill. there are strong reactions before it s released. does mitch mcconnell have the votes to pass? we ll discuss next. it s something that s always present. you re always thinking about it. what if my cancer comes back? i ve been working on this therapy for 5 years now and we ve getting ready to go to the clinic. my son definitely keeps me fighting. i want to the there for him when he needs me. that s what motivates me. i want to see patients have gray hair. i see myself growing old with my pink hair. that to me, is enough to keep going. the lincoln summer invitation is on. it s time for a getaway. now get our best offers of the season. on the agile mkc. on the versatile midsize lincoln mkx. or go where summer takes you in the exhilarating mkz. the lincoln summer invitation sales event. ask about complimentary pick up & delivery servicing. right now get zero percent apr plus 1,000 dollars summer savings on the lincoln mkx, mkc and mkz i knew at that exact moment . i m beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors. it s not just picking a surgeon, it s picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. visit cancercenter.com/breast on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. changed our lives.y a mattress of unparalleled value. love at first night. i m a softer, happier, friendlier version of myself. perfect sleep changes people. transform your life at casper.com. try their mattress for 100 nights with free shipping and returns. casper. with. at the same time you ve got vice president mike pence who will again mike an on core appearance on the hill to try to push this through, meeting with republican senators and the president who has remained low key in this latest round of negotiations, now warning those senators there s a political and personal price to pay. i am sitting in the oval office with a pen in hand waiting for our senators to give it to me. what will happen if they don t? i don t even want to talk about it. i think it will be very bad. i will be very angry about it. a lot of people will be very upset. here are some of the things we re expecting for the revised bill. something to sweeten the pot, $45 billion in opioid treatment for addiction, taxes on wealthy americans to remain, not appeared as the last go-ground, more money for stabilization funds, as well as no major changes in medicaid. that s from the previous bill, meaning there will still be severe cuts. alisyn, john? thanks, suzanne. errol louis, karoun demirjian and david drucker with us. mitch mcconnell can t lose one more. one more in this thing is essentially sunk. one of the unwithes against is rand paul who has been pretty consistent. listen to what he said. i just came from the republican caucus. many other members behind closed doors are willing to admit it s not a repeal bill. this needs to be the discussion. our promise to the american people we would repeal obamacare. now it looks, if this bill goes through, we re voting to keep obamacare. the thing is, david drucker, there s no way to give rand paul what he wants or to give ted cruz or mike lee more of what they want without taking away from the susan collinses of the world. the republicans find themselves in a pickle here. so much of this, john, is because republicans, many of them have changed the position on the medicaid expansion. seven, eight years ago when we were covering the obamacare debate, the bill that eventually became the affordable care act, i couldn t find a republican that supported expanding medicaid. now that it s time to repeal obamacare, you have a lot of republicans in the house as well that don t want to repeal it, are concerned about how it will affect their states and districts. so many rural hospitals depend on it, their voters depend on it, even if they don t know it or wish they did not depend on it. republicans are in this bind where voters want them to repeal obamacare, but they re afraid the consequences of repeal will end up leaving their constituents on the short end of the stick when it konls to health care and access and everything else. they ll end up paying for it. mitch mcconnell has a very narrow lane to try and get through to try to tie this all together. i think the question is, can he get the bill that they re going to introduce today on the floor and start to agree to what kind of amendments it would take to get them to 50 votes so mike pence could break the tie? one thing on the tax cuts that they re not going to get rid of in this bill, they re going to make the argument to the conservatives that they will get rid of those taxes in the tax reform bill that they re working on quietly. so that s one sales pitch they re going to make. this is a very difficult position they re in. let s talk about another big event on the hill yesterday. that was chris wray s confirmation hearing or appearance there in front of the senate committee. he s going to be the fbi director it looks like. it looked like it went well. they had many exchanges. it seems like the senators responded to him well. here was a particularly interesting exchange, senator lindsey graham asking the nominee what he would do in a situation a hypothetical situation that seemed awfully familiar. listen to this. well, let me ask you this, if i got a call saying the russian government wants to help lindsey graham to get dirt on his opponent. i think you should consult with legal advisers. the answer is should i call the fbi? i think it would be wise you re going to be the director of the fbi. here is what i want you to tell every politician. if you get a call from somebody suggesting a foreign government wants to help you by disparaging your opponent, tell us all to call the fbi. to the members of this committee, any threat or effort to interfere with our election from any nation state or any non-state actor is the kind of thing the fbi would want to know. errol, whatever could he be referring to, senator graham? it was actually the right way to frame it. if we have a replay of what we just saw, what would you do? how can we avoid a repeat of that crisis? there were smiles and a little levity around it. in the end, deadly serious stuff. of course, the nominee gave exactly the right answer which is to say, if this happens again, number one, i m not swearing any loyalty oaths. number two, if you see foreign interference reported to us, this will become part of what the fbi does. that doesn t mean we re out of the woods on the current crisis, but it does suggest we won t have a repeat of it. it was interesting. he said definitely no loyalty oath. he would never swear a loyalty oath. he said it s not a witch hunt. what bob mueller, the special counsel is doing, he wouldn t consider it a witch hunt. in that specific answer, car reaso karoun, it seems a simple yes or no answer would have sufficed. really it was lindsey graham who answered the question for himself. i was a little curious why the nominee wouldn t be more clear about the fact that don junior perhaps should have called the fbi. this is classic dynamics of aering ha. everyone hoping to get congressional confirmation tries to make the most dipiplomat cal approach possible. lindsey graham is in his element, playing the prosecutor again and going after these things. he s always got a little twinge of humor which is evidence, tell us to call the fbi. wray played ball in ways that others probably would not have. the other interesting thing was to listen to the interplay back and forth. there were other times they were asking him specifically because wray had said i would resign before i compromise my integrity. there were a lot of people a lot of senators that kept coming back to those comments on both sides of the aisle. they have an opportunity with wray who is popular on both sides of the aisle to cement what should be. it doesn t mean you won t see a repeat of what happened before. that was all driven by the side of the president. everyone was taking the moment of saying, okay, here is what i think thho playing into this because he s a man trying to commit to staying independent. panel, thank you very much. great to get all your perspectives. we do want to get to this breaking news. there are major developments in the case of four missing young men in pennsylvania. authorities made a shocking discovery. we have the latest on this murder mystery next. ush the off? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but yes is here. you re saying the new app will go live monday? yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the next day. neulasta is for certain cancer patients receiving strong chemotherapy. do not take neulasta if you re allergic to neulasta or neupogen (filgrastim). ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems, allergic reactions, kidney injuries, and capillary leak syndrome have occurred. report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, trouble breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. in patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. the most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. so why go back there? if you d rather be home, ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. your only worry.ty customer first guarantee. will be how to drink this monstrosity. get help with hotels, free twenty-four-hour flight changes, and our price match guarantee. travelocity.® wander wisely.™ my abwill i have pain andating made daibloating today?ing game. my doctor recommended ibgard to manage my ibs. take control. ask your doctor about nonprescription ibgard. that s why at comcast we re continuing to make4/7. our services more reliable than ever. like technology that can update itself. an advanced fiber-network infrustructure. new, more reliable equipment for your home. and a new culture built around customer service. it all adds up to our most reliable network ever. one that keeps you connected to what matters most. breaking news out of pennsylvania. one of four men missing since last week was found dead inside a nearly 13-foot grave. cnn s brynn gingras joins us with breaking details. just to back up a minute. the four men disappeared last week in bucks county pennsylvania. during this whole time this has been a missing persons case. now this grim discovery just announced after midnight, and the county s district attorney saying, make no mistake about this, this is a homicide. district attorney weintraub confirmed the remains of 19-year-old dean finocchiaro, found in a 12.5 foot grave underneath concrete. other remains also found in that same grave, but authorities have not confirmed if they are the remains of the other three missing men, jim patrick, thomas meo and mark sturgis. the suspect, 20-year-old cosmo dinardo. the remains were found with the help of cadaver dogs. dinardo is in jail on bond after being arrested for trying to sell the car of one of the missing men. he had been arrested on an unrelated gun charge on monday but released on $1 million bail. the d.a. says he hopes this recent charge will give them the time they need to file homicide charges. still the question, the motive. how are all these guys connected? authorities won t comment on that just yet. we re expected to learn more later this morning. but certainly some strong leads in this case. hoping to bring some closure to these families. absolutely, brynn. thank you for the update on that. a hearing is under way in britain s high court over new medical evidence in the case of baby charlie gard. the parents are fighting doctors to allow them to keep them on life support to bring him to the u.s. for experimental treatment. their legal battle to prolong charlie s life is gaining international attention. more than 350,000 people have signed the couple s petition. scientists watching closely as one of the largest icebergs ever reported breaks away from achbt art ka, it s three times the size of london. it made the final break and floated off the continent yesterday. researchers are looking into whether climate change is to blame for all of this. where will it go? where is it headed? look, the president is in paris today meeting with emmanuel macron. obviously emanuel macro deeply concerned with climate change. it will be interesting if this comes up. i bet it will. you think? there s an iceberg coming our way, mr. president. meanwhile, president trump is set to face reporters for the first time since the controversy over his son s meeting with a russian lawyer came to light. what will president trump say about this? we discuss that next. binders, done. super-cool notebooks, done. that s mom taking care of business. but who takes care of mom? office depot/office max. this week, get this ream of paper for just one cent after rewards. taking care of business. i .prilosec otc 7 years ago,my doctor recommended. 5 years ago, last week. just 1 pill each morning, 24 hours and zero heartburn. it s been the number 1 doctor recommended brand for 10. .straight years, and it s still recommended today. use as directed. fothere s a seriousy boomers virus out there that s been almost forgotten. it s hepatitis c. one in 30 boomers has hep c, yet most don t even know it. because it can hide in your body for years without symptoms, and it s not tested for in routine blood work. the cdc recommends all baby boomers get tested. if you have hep c, it can be cured. for us it s time to get tested. ask your healthcare provider for the simple blood test. it s the only way to know for sure. you give us comfort. and we give you bare feet. i love you, couch. .backsweat and gordo s everything. i love you, but sometimes you stink. new febreze fabric refresher with odorclear technology. .cleans away odors like never before. because the things you love the most can stink. and plug in febreze to keep your whole room fresh for up. .to 45 days. breathe happy with new febreze. it s my decision to make it s nbeauty last.ix. roc® retinol started visibly reducing my fine lines and wrinkles in one week. and the longer i use it, the better it works. retinol correxion® from roc methods, not miracles.™ russia and the latest on don junior s e-mails. there are also a whole host of questions after the g20 we didn t have a chance to answer because the president did not do a press conference in hamburg. so climate change which you ve already been talking about on your program, taxes, health care, and sort of the relationship that the united states has with its g20 partners and the western world. you know, it s interesting because white house officials have been out talking the last few days, sometimes in somewhat strange terms. this is post knowledge of the don junior meeting with the russian lawyer. kellyanne conway was on fox news last night. she brought with her visual aids. i want to play you this moment. i just want to review, in case you run out of time, this is how i see it so far. this is to help all the people at home. what s the conclusion? collusion? no. we don t have that yet. i see illusion and delusion. so just so we re clear everyone, conclusion, collusion, no. illusion, delusion, yes. fun with the word. i confess to confusion over why exactly that is helpful for this white house. it gets to the question of was the meeting with the russian lawyer appropriate? so much of this is distraction. that s not a rhyming word. thanks for playing, bill. it really is, because they re looking for some way to talk about something else. and actually, putting up those signs is only inviting and already has a flood, an afflusion of mocking signs. it goes back to love actually and the signs and all that. it s going to set up jokes about it. her sign also said conclusion collusion. shouldn t she have said no collusion or had a big x? all of it is look over here, look somewhere else. that whole interview was about, you know, ukraine and what s going on with the democrats and all kinds of other things which is the same thing that came up with the gorka interview. all right. we ve had sebastian gorka on this week, one of the president s advisers, was also on with anderson last night. these interviews, jeff, tend to be predictable in a certain way, which is they run off the rails and there s a lot of plate spinning and a lot of accusations and some attacks. let me play for you a portion of the sebastian gorka-anderson interview. it s just fake news. i m sad to see cnn in this. i know you re salacious, your ratings so corporate sponsors and owners will have more money. that s not media. it s just fake news. i m going to ignore the insults because i don t think it gets us anywhere. are you a tv producer now? if you ve got to go, you ve got to go. you re falling into the fake news trap again. it s sad, anderson. let s let the viewers judge who decided you re 13 place behind nick at night. it s funny you have enough time in the white house that you re able to sit around and get nielsen numbers. i get really good prep from my team because the white house prep team is absurd. somebody at the white house is obsessed with nick at night. they talk about that one a lot. it s funny, but theres also some talk out there about whether or not it s helpful to have sebastian gorka and kellyanne conway on, because if it actually helps the public understand anything about policy or what s going on in the white house. look, he certainly came prepared to that interview with some facts that he wanted to throw at anderson or certainly some opinions he wanted to throw at anderson about ratings, about what he refers to and the president refers to as fake news. i think it s important for we as journalists to ignore the insults which anderson specifically said and did. it s important for us to focus on policy. i think if the white house has a problem with something that a reporter reports, if there is a reason to say, look, that is factually incorrect, then call it what it is, and say that s factually incorrect. this is the evidence that we have. these are the facts that are correct. but it s our job as journalists to challenge those because we re not always getting facts that are correct. it s our job to make sure we do. i reject, as people have heard me say before with my white house correspondent s association hat on, this entire fake news term, i think it is used to try to undermine a free press, and it s our job to reject that and focus on doing our jobs. there s nothing fake about the words that were in black and white in this e-mail exchange with donald trump jr: he said i like it when i was offered the information from a lawyer connected with the russian government. there is an investigation. the fbi really is investigating. all the school yard commentary about ratings, no one is coming back and saying what about your ratings? your approval ratings are in the tank. should we? no. that s the point. the press is not supposed to engage in that. this is really school yard stuff that they re doing. and i think anderson rose above it which is what he should do. bill, jeff, thank you very much. so it has been eight years since an american man has made it to the semifinals of a major championship in tennis. that streak came to an end at bimable done. andy scholes has the latest in the bleacher report for us. the ford summer sales event is in full swing. they are not listening to me. watch this. who wants ice creeaaaaaam!? so that s how you get them to listen. take on summer right with ford, america s best-selling brand. now with summer s hottest offer. get zero percent for seventy-two months plus an additional thousand on top of your trade-in. during the ford summer sales event get zero percent for seventy-two months plus an additional thousand on top of your trade-in. offer ends soon. the magical run at wimbledon occurred, sam querrey is the first american man to make it to the finals since 2009. sam querrey trying to become the first american man to win wimbledon since pete sampras did it 17 years ago. he s two wins away after beating andy murray yesterday. he s defeated the top seed two years in a row now. he beat novak djokovic last year. from california, a fun fact about him, he once went on the show millionaire matchmaker to find a mate. he s never been this far in a major tournament . he ll take on cilic in the semifinals. host peyton manning had plenty of jokes about being retired. his best zinger was at the expense of kevin durant. so dominant kevin durant said he wants to play for them next ye year. [ laughter ]. i got to tell you, i don t think he d start for that team, kevin. russell westbrook, what do you think? i tell you what, alisyn, i was watching that live. i don t think kevin durant found that funny whatsoever. i think his face is actually what made it funnier for everyone else. i agree. he was really humor impaired. i m with conspiracy. i think he was in on it which is why he covered his mouth. this is to prevent him from laughing? it was still hilarious. i don t know. he seemed very grumpy. i think there was collusion. i think it s a sore subject. i think he was legitimately not happy. get to the bottom of that, andy. i ll try. theme president and the whi house responding to the latest russia allegations by blaming hillary clinton and the democratic party. why? insiders on both sides have their theories. they re here next. i m karen, i m a teacher.olfer. my psoriatic arthritis caused joint pain. just like my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and i was worried about joint damage. my doctor said joint pain from ra can be a sign of existing joint damage that could only get worse. he prescribed enbrel to help relieve pain and help stop further damage. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. tell your doctor if you ve been someplace where fungal infections are common, or if you re prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if you have persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. don t start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. joint pain and damage. can go side by side. ask how enbrel can help relieve joint pain and help stop joint damage. enbrel, fda approved for 18 years. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass, you get time for more life. this family wanted to keep the game going. son: hey mom, one more game? tech: with safelite, you get a text when we re on our way. you can see exactly when we ll arrive. mom: sure. bring it! tech: i m micah with safelite. mom: thanks for coming, it s right over here. tech: giving you a few more minutes for what matters most. take care! family: bye! kids singing: safelite® repair, safelite® replace. you re not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you re not taking those. whoa, whoa! you re not taking that. come with me. you re not taking that. you re not taking that. you re not taking that. mom, i m taking the subaru. don t be late. even when we re not there to keep them safe, our subaru outback will be. (vo) love. it s what makes a subaru, a subaru. democratic hoax, an e-mail exchange between donald trump junior and this guy trying to set up a meeting with the russian lawyer who purported to have information coming from the russian government? how is that a democratic hoax? i think what the president was speaking to was the complete double standard we see out there where we saw there was absolutely collusion between the dnc sitting down with the ukrainians to try to dig up information on president trump, and also this double standard we ve seen when we talk about e-mails. we ll talk about the ukrainians in a second. are you admitting, therefore, the russians did have conversations with the trump campaign? if you re saying it was a double standard because the democrats did it, too, are you saying, yes, the trump folks did it, it s just the democrats did it, too? this was completely made up. there was no collusion or coordination. is the e-mail made up? there was absolutely no collusion or coordination. don junior sat down and had a 20-minute meeting with a lawyer who had no information to give he was looking for dirt. don junior said he would have handled that differently, and hi thought there was potentially maybe there was some information. you ve got to keep in mind at that point there was no russia narrative that was out there. this was way before any of that. what we did know at the time is secretary clinton had been very much involved with the russians, as we talk about the uranium one deal which was very scandalous. we keep hearing that talking point. we understand you guys keep bringing that up. so you don t think the uranium one deal was a big deal? you don t think president trump would have approved the uranium one deal, the person who we hear his administration doesn t want congress to keep sanctions on russia? you re not answering my question. do you not think the uranium one deal was problematic, to give that much control of the world s uranium supply to the russians? hold on here. let s step back. jason, you re making a point somehow that donald trump made yesterday which is that the russians actually wanted hillary clinton to win because they thought she would be easier on russia. hillary clinton during the campaign, let s not forget, had been attacking putin for the invasion of crimea. he had been attacking putin for his attacks on nato. and we have multiple intelligence agencies and donald trump junior s e-mails affirming, in fact, the russian government wanted donald trump to win this election. so you can just stop this notion that somehow hillary clinton might have been a beneficiary of russian action. she wasn t. the fact is that we have seen time and time again the trump team lying about their connections to russia. the whole dnc and ukraine thing does keep coming up. that s a talking point we heard from sebastian gorka, et cetera, et cetera. this isn t true. what we know is the dnc specifically denied it. of course they re going to deny it. no intelligence agency has actually said that this was true. there are no facts about this, unlike the russia situation where there are facts. my issue is actually a bigger point which is, let s not assume that what we have seen today on this russia investigation, the few e-mails from donald trump junior, is all bob mueller has. you re saying a dnc consultant didn t go to the ukrainian embassy and sit down and try to get information on president trump and members of his campaign in an effort to influence the election? you re saying that did not happen? what i m saying is the dnc did not do that. there s no evidence at all just so we re clear, you re saying are you saying ken vogel and politico were lying? jason, hold on. i m confused about something. are you, jason, saying that russia and the ukraine are the same in terms of when it comes to u.s. relations? i don t understand that s irrelevant to this point. the point no, no, no. my question to you, is russia jason, we ask the questions. my question to you is russia, which is considered a hostile foreign power, the same as ukraine? i m saying there was no coordination or collusion between the trump campaign and any foreign entity to try to influence the election. that s not the answer to my question. there absolutely was 100% coordination, solicitation and collusion between the dnc and the ukrainians. i know you keep saying that. simply not true. according to the january report in politico. ukraine and russia are equal in your mind? i m saying there shouldn t be coordination or collusion with any foreign entity. we know it happened according to the january story in politico. we have e-mails from don junior knowing he attempted to get dirt out of russia. there was no collusion or coordination. you agree there was was there at a minimum attempted collusion and coordination, jason? no. he sat down and had a 20-minute meeting. why did he go to the meeting? time and time again we have contacts between trump allies and the russian government and allies of the russian government over and over again. ones that every time it happens, you guys deny and then we find facts about it. when are you people going to stop believing the trump team when they say nothing ever happened when we keep finding evidence over and over and over again that actually there were meetings? when will your talking points stop about this and just say, we ought to find out what happened because obviously there were meetings. that s the thing. we do know what happened with the dnc and the ukrainians. no, we don t. it didn t even happen the way you said it. we know what happened. then tell me how it did happen. there s no evidence that anything on behalf of the dnc or clinton campaign happened. the clinton campaign has repeatedly said it s not apples to apples. it doesn t mean what happened with the ukrainians isn t also some type of fruit. it may be a cherry or cranberry, but this consultant to the dnc, according to politico, did have interaction with the ukrainians. it s just at a different isn t that a red herring, no pun intended. interaction, there was solicitation and coordination. the ukraine a hostile world power to the u.s.? it doesn t have anything to do with the alleged coordination or collusion wean the trump campaign and russia. john, this goes to the whole double standard. you re saying two things. you re saying coordination did
that s a closed session but it s significant for several reasons. first, you mentioned he s the president s personal lawyer. he s known him for years, they go back in terms of business dealings. this is a person who s been in a lot of private, personal and confidential conversations with the president so it will be very, very interesting to see what kind of information he s going to be able to reveal. and then of course it s a sign of a potential escalation or widening in the russia probe given there have been other significant interviews. of course, jared kushner met with the senate intel committee as well. but this will be a very interesting interview to watch and again as the headlines play out with that on the hill, on tuesday, while the president is in new york, trying to focus on things like the threat from north korea, the current iran nuclear deal and other pressing issues. he will be trying to make this a global debut on the world stage where others may be talking about some of the domestic problems that have to do with the russia probe here at home. see which one overshadows the other. thank you. let s bring in white house correspondent for nbc news.com, ali vitali and washington bureau chief for mother jones, david corn. ali, great to have you in the studio. first, your reaction to the fact that michael cohen will now be testifying in front of the senate intel committee. the significance of that and what impact it may have on the other investigations, the other mueller investigation and the investigation on the house side. look, michael cohen was always around, he was always involved like monica mentioned. he s someone who has been a confidant for the president for a long time and he s deeply loyal to president trump. that s something that s interesting when you see what comes out of the testimony is whether or not there is some kind of new revelation that prompts some new page turned in the bob mueller investigation or what s ongoing on capitol hill. there s the second prong to this. while trump is here trying to make his america first pitch to the u.n. general assembly he s got a bunch of things what s trying to push through on capitol hill. you look at tax reform. i wouldn t be surprised if this is part of his way of trying to be forthcoming with that and also trying to continue to put pressure on congress to figure out some of this stuff. david, what what does this tell you about what part of the russia investigation they re really focused on? is it the business aspect? we use the word collusion sometimes, but where does this fit into the various layers of the investigation? i think michael cohen straddles many aspects of the scandal. my concern is that they re bringing him in too early. you need to get documents, you need to talk to other people first before you question what may be the principals in any possible scandal or controversy of this sort. remember, i think one of the key things here is that michael cohen is in the middle of the biggest, massive conflict of interest that donald trump has. this broke a couple of weeks ago. while donald trump was running for president, in late 2015 and say and they have a way deeper breadth of knowledge to speak about. is there a potential for michael cohen to get a deal, immunity, protection from the other investigations if he cooperates with them? it remains to be seen what kind of deal is being thought about behind the scenes or talked about. but his willingness i guess to go forth or his appearance will certainly make a lot of news. and to ali s point earlier, the context of all of this and in terms of what the president is trying to do and what the legislative what he s trying to do on the foreign policy front. we know that the russia investigation is really bother some to this president. it s the source of a lot of his frustration not only with members of his own party but the political process in general. and so out of all the things this week, if there s more scrutiny placed on someone like cohen who is close to him i think you know we could be watching for the president s reactions on this sort of thing. demilitarized zone. in our diplomatic efforts fail though our military option will be the only one left. all right. joining me now, former u.n. ambassador to the united nations, john negroponte. i m curious to get your thoughts about what you re hoping to hear from president trump on tuesday. what do you expect he says, what do you want him to avoid? right. well, first of all, i think it s important to stress that this general assembly sessions are not decision making decisions for the president. they re an opportunity for him to conduct a lot of diplomacy. he ll have meetings with the latin american countries, the africa groups. people and countries he has not necessarily had an opportunity to visit during the initial months of his presidency. so i think that diplomacy is going to be important. i think people are going to be very much attuned to what he says about the united nations himself. since he spoke against the u.n., he criticized it during his presidential campaign, i think they re going to look be looking for some reassurance that he doesn t want to assault the organization, undermine it, withdrawal significant support. he may want to tweak it. he ll talk about reform and put an emphasis on reform in his speech i m sure. i think they want some reassurance that the united states still sees the united nations as a viable and valid institution in which to conduct multilateral diplomacy. we have seen previous presidents including george w. bush to use the general assembly as a platform to articulate their vision, in particular with the iraq war calling them the axis of evil. do you think he has to articulate a clear vision for this administration when its comes to world issues, whether it be north korea, whether its be the iran nuclear deal? i do think he s going to touch on those issues. i m sure north korea will be highest on the list of priorities. i think the situation in syria, international terrorism. definitely iran. while it may be technically compliant with the joint agreement, it has not been behaving according to the spirit of that agreement because it continues its disruptive activities in the middle east region. i think he ll talk about reform. so yes, i think he ll go over the kind of u.n. agenda that people are interested in hearing about there. do you believe when he uses words like rocket man to describe the north korean leader he did today in a tweet, does this kind of language worry you that it could escalate tensions? well, i have always been in the school that feels that we shouldn t be too self-critical about provoking the north koreans. they invaded south korea in 1950 with backing by the way from china and russia. i mean, let s not stand truth on its head here. they have been the aggressive party, the provocative party. we in self-defense along with our allies are trying to deal with that situation. importantly the president s going to be with the prime minister going to meet with the prime minister of japan and that will be an important meeting. let me ask you about diplomatic personnel, what s your assessment of nikki haley as u.n. ambassador so far? you have occupied that seat. how is she doing so far and some are saying that she s eclipsed rex tillerson as our top diplomat. yeah, well, i don t know about the latter part. i was colin powell was secretary of state when i was at the u.n. and we worked very closely together. he s one of my best friends. but i do think she s she s carried out her responsibilities very well. she s proactive. she s visible. she s obviously delved deeply into the many different issues that are on the united nations agenda and what i m particularly grateful to ambassador haley for is that through her discourse with the public she s been able to reveal how many important different, important issues the united nations deals with that are of concern to the american people. mr. ambassador, very quickly, should the u.s. embassy in cuba, should that be closed given some of the reports that have come out with the sonic attack that happened on u.s. diplomatic personnel? you know, what is your advice to this administration on cuba? right, well, i know this is a matter under investigation and there are these reports. they re deeply concerning. 21 people seem to have been affected by the so-called acoustic attacks so obviously our first priority is always to protect our people. on the other hand, if we were to close the embassy in cuba that would disrupt the long tradition. because before we had an embassy of course we had the u.s. intrasection for 25 or 30 years. if at all possible to keep it open i think we should. but if the attacks persist i think maybe our presence would have to be suspended there until we get to the bottom of this. i m going to actually ask you one more question, this is about the iran nuclear deal. the administration has been somewhat divided about it, the iran nuclear deal is not working despite the fact that it s been certified repeatedly for the first couple of months of the investigation. your take on whether it should stand as it is or should be scrapped. well, i d be very reluctant to scrap it. i think they re technically cop pliant as compliant as i said earlier, but they continue to conduct disruptive activities whether it s support for hezbollah or for the forces in iraq that are causing trouble and in the gaza strip and in if arab/israeli conflict as well. iran is not behaving in a constructive way towards the rest of the middle east region. and i think that s what the president and the secretary are driving at when they express concern about iran s behavior. former ambassador to the united nations, ambassador negropon negroponte, thank you for joining us. a vicious attack in france. what we re learning about the victims and the attacker and back here at home, a city on edge. more protests right now under way in st. louis as anger grows after a white police officer was found not guilty in the shooting death of an african-american man. all that next. stay with us. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be with customer contracts, agreements to lease a space or protecting your work. legalzoom s network of attorneys can help you, every step of the way. so you can focus on what you do and we ll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here. welcome back. some breaking weather news we re following this hour. tropical storm maria is now hurricane maria, it is moving to the caribbeans islands already devastated by hurricane irma. it has maximum sustained winds of 75 miles an hour. meanwhile, hurricane jose is not expected to make landfall. heavy rain and winds are expected this week though. all right, overseas in france, an acid attack, two of the students from boston college now in serious condition. the other two are reportedly in shock. it happened in the southern city of marseille. the victims were part of boston college s paris program. they were sprayed by a woman known to have psychiatric problems. we have more on the details. reporter: at about 11:00 this morning the four boston college students were all in their 20s and were standing in a square outside the train station in marseille when a woman sprayed them with hydrochloric liquid. now the girls were take on the hospital where they received treatment for burns. boston college says they have been released since. the woman who sprayed the acid is 41 years old and is in police custody. it s a horrific attack that left four american girls with injuries and in a state of shock. all right, claudio luongo there. in st. louis they re bracing for a third night of protests. anger boiled over, when 11 officers were injured and 0 people were arrested. city police say the ten people were arrested and 23 businesses and five police cars damaged. the unrest stems from the friday acquittal of a former police officer who shot and killed a black suspect. joining us now is nbc s scott cohen. on the campus of st. louis university. scott, what are they expecting there tonight and what is the condition of the situation behind you? reporter: well, let me set you set the scene for you, ayman. this is a protest and really a totally peaceful protest that s been going on for 2 1/2 hours now and we just marched with the protesters about a mile and a half from st. louis police headquarters here to the campus of st. louis university. about four miles from the gateway arch if you can get a sense. and they re making their way now across the campus here. again, this has been going on now and of course going on now into the evening and this is where things get a little bit dicey and it really is a pattern that we have looked at and hopefully won t repeat for a third straight night. peaceful protests all day long, and then the peaceful protests breaks up and late at night some of the stragglers or a core group of violent people do their thing. and last night ten people arrested. of course the night before that two dozen people or so arrested. some police officers injured. some businesses damaged. some property damaged. so the hope is that the peaceful protest is the end of it, but of course police are bracing for any eventuality. the governor of missouri spoke a short time ago about their plans as the night goes on. this third night after the acquittal. we have no patience for violence. we have no patience for vandalism. and that s why you saw the minute that people engaged in vandalism our law enforcement officers were on them. they caught them, they cuffed them and they took them to jail. we have no patience for this. reporter: again, that s regarding the protests at night that have gone on for the last couple of nights. this protest in the day has been peaceful. they were chanting in front of the police headquarters and staged what they called a die-in. everybody laying in the street. basically telling police we ll save you the trouble of coming to our neighborhoods. that was the message they were trying to give and the police have been completely restrained throughout all of this. actually kind of giving them a path through the streets. even when the crowd at one point tried to fake them out and go down another street. the police were there at the next intersection to head them off and try to keep other motorists that happened to be in the neighborhood safe. as you see now they have made their way across this campus of st. louis university to points unknown. we ll continue to follow them and follow them into the night. and see if they can keep things peaceful on this night. yeah. certainly going to be something we re following throughout the course of the evening as sun sets there. thank you. well, coming up, more on the big development in the russia investigation. president trump s long time associate michael cohen is set to testify before the senate intelligence committee. and checking in and out. i.c.e. raids, motel 6 in arizona after employees hand over guest information. up next, i m joined by the reporter who broke that story. hey grandpa. hey, kid. really good to see you. you too. you tell grandma you were going fishing again? maybe. (vo) the best things in life keep going. that s why i got a subaru, too. introducing the all-new crosstrek. love is out there. find it in a subaru crosstrek. and life s beautiful moments.ns get between you switch to flonase allergy relief. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by overproducing 6 key inflammatory substances that cause our symptoms. flonase helps block 6. most allergy pills only block one and 6 is greater than 1. with more complete relief you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. flonase. 6 is greater than 1 changes everything. this is a story about mail and packages. and it s also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they re handing us more than mail they re handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget. that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you (vo) more dper rollres for mom bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more life per roll. bounty the quicker picker upper thank you so much. thank you! so we re a go? yes! we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let s do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what s it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you re a go! you got the green light. that means go! oh, yeah. start saying yes to your company s best ideas. we re gonna hit our launch date! (scream) thank you! goodbye! let us help with money and know-how, so you can get business done. american express open. oath. in regards to his 2016 meeting in trump tower with a russian lawyer. and president trump arrived at trump tower. over the course of the week he plans to meet with foreign leaders to discuss the escalating threat in north korea and the united states participation in the climate accords. rex tillerson said that the united states is considering closing the havana, cuba, embassy this after many had to leave after getting diagnosed with hearing problems. some undocumented immigrants checking into motel 6 got checked out by i.c.e. the employees regularly handed over guest information to the custom enforcement officers. on friday, a pair of house democrats wrote a letter to the acting i.c.e. director and requested a full accounting from i.c.e. about the practice. joining me now is one of the reporters who bloke this story for the phoenix new times, great to have you with us. let s start with the very beginning of this. how did you get tipped off on this story? so we heard that this was going on, started calling immigration lawyers in the area and asking them have you ever heard of this. and what we found was out that there was a trend just about everyone had had a client picked up at the motel 6 but couldn t figure out what was leading to this. there was a lot of rumors circulating when being that individual front desk clerks were getting paid $200 a pop to turn people over to i.c.e. so we found out that actually the hotel was turning over their entire guest list to i.c.e. every night. was this a single hotel or a single motel i should say, a single facility, area, are we talking about a pattern that spanned the entire state? what more can you tell us about it? we know of two motels where this happened. they re both corporate owned locations not franchises which is important to note because it suggests it wasn t an individual franchise owner who came up with this. so we have not heard of it so far happening elsewhere in arizona. we did hear reports it s happening in washington state and we re just looking now to try and find more examples and see if this was more widespread than just in phoenix. we know that obviously the corporate offices of motel 6 have characterized this but as an isolated incident. what are you hearing about this from i.c.e.? what is i.c.e. saying about your story? they really haven t said very much. they don t disclose their investigative techniques so we were unable to get them to confirm how they were using this information and precisely what they were doing with the guest lists that they were supposedly receiving. presumably they were double-checking them against the department of homeland security databases to try and figure out, you know, has this person been deported before, have they overstayed their visa. but we haven t gotten a clear answer from them in terms of what s going on. what s the legal implications from your reporting, have you learned about what motel 6 may be on the hook for here if there is any violation that they did hand this information over? have you heard from the attorney general? has he chimed in on it? no. it doesn t seem like they broke the law although it brings up ethical questions. there s a 2015 supreme court decision that says that hotels and motels don t you can t if you re police you can t show up and require them to turn over their guest list without a warrant. but if the hotel or the motel decides that they re voluntarily going to be sharing their guest information with law enforcement that s up to them. and if you dig around in motel 6 s website, their privacy policy does include information that suggests that this could potentially happen. now, obviously people who are checking in are not being informed of this and the average consumer has no idea it s a possibility. so it definitely brings up questions from a privacy rights standpoint but it doesn t appear to be breaking the law. that s an interesting point. ethics versus the legality of this. let me ask you about i.c.e. raids in general. have you gotten a sense from lawyers you have spoken to, that this there is an uptick in i.c.e. raids in the area that you report on that you cover? you know, we have and phoenix so long has been a hot spot for that kind of activity especially under former sheriff arpaio. it s business as normal as we can tell. it seems to be on the front center of the whole immigration debate taking place in this country right now. thank you very much for that great reporting. thank you. well, as the north korea threat grows, american troops in south korea are preparing for what may lie ahead. up next we ll take you to the front lines. during our made to move 2017 clearance event, you can do endless online research. or, you can take advantage of our best offer ever on an xt5. don t wait. our 2017 models will be moving fast. you can drive a car. or you can drive a cadillac. come in now before the end of our made to move 2017 clearance event and leave with the perfect cadillac xt5 for your next adventure. choose a low mileage lease on this xt5 for around $339 per month. as always w.i was always searching for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i had it covered. then i realized managing was all i was doing. when i finally told my doctor, he said humira was for people like me who have tried other medications,. but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn s disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. .and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. .including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,. including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions,. .and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb,. .hepatitis b, are prone to infections, .or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. if you re still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. to make something original. .has grown into an enterprise. that s why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. now, i m earning unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase i make. everything. which adds up to thousands of dollars back every year. .and helps keep my passion growing. .in every direction. what s in your wallet? gloria always went big. so we helped her plan a memorial service that no one would soon forget. this one s for you, gloria. only a dignity memorial professional can celebrate a life like no other. find out how at sanfranciscodignity.com. as president trump prepares to address the united nations, north korea remaining defiant, powering ahead with the nuclear weapons arsenal despite efforts to rein in kim jong un. now, as the standoff escalates, nbc s ron allen travelled to the u.s. air base in south korea where american troops are on a war footing. reporter: north korea threatening to test two more weapons of mass destruction after a beaming kim jong un watched the latest missile lawn. he is vowing to create a military equilibrium with the u.s. the air base is home to 28,000 of the military personnel remains on a constant state of alert. that bright light piercing the clouds a top secret u2 spy plane returning to base. we re in the chase vehicle. the driver on the radio guiding the pilot down. nicknamed the dragon lady, able to soar at 70,000 feet and sending realtime pictures and sound back to the base. now taking on one of the toughest challenges here, trying to gather intelligence about what kim jong un will do next. how is it different now than under the normal circumstances? we are busier now than ever been. do you get calls from family and friends? yeah, we do. especially family back home in the states. they call concerned but for us, our daily job is to be just ready. reporter: captain drew taylor who flies this supersonic f-16 fighter jet would be among the first to respond to an attack. he says he can get from his bunk into the skies in less than five minutes. we are constantly training every single sortie could be our last training sortie and we may be going to war after that. you feel that? we do. reporter: occasionally, a break from the intensity. every returning u2 pilot gets a hero welcome after the standard grueling ten hour solo missions. how was it? great. reporter: our conversation interrupted. the pilot off to a confidential debriefing. while across the sprawling base, practically entering enemy territory, constant readiness for whatever they re called on to do. all right. great reporting there by ron allen. for more on the north korea threat i m joined by a daily beast columnist and author. so obviously north korea is going to be high on the agenda this week here as the back drop for the u.n. general assembly. but i want to start off by asking about the why president trump has been handling some of the comments coming out of north korea. he sent out a tweet today referring to the leader of north korea as rocket man. he seems to undermine his own policy of economic sanctions. calling them not a big deal. suggesting they re not going to change course. is that helping de-escalate the situation or driving us more to confrontation? it s sending mixed messages. rocket man was sort of funny, but this has gotten to be less than the laughing matter recently. even though kim jong un does sort of strike us as being weird and odd. the problem right now is that you have sanctions sort of, you know, we have seen nine set of sanctions. each one is progressively stronger than the next. and at least the last one. but nonetheless, none of them are able to do what we need to do which is to prevent the kim regime from getting the resources to build missiles and nukes and now you hear nikki haley our u.n. ambassador, h.r. mcmaster saying that diplomacy has run out of time and that s war talk. so give us a time line for me. what do you see playing out over this week, over the next several months. are we going to war. i m not worried about what happen in the the next several weeks. there s a lot of noise between now and lets say nine months from now. but when jkim jong un is going o get our 28,000 service personnel off the peninsula, so that he can then intimidate south korea into submission. the core goal is to take over south korea. and indeed a lot of people think that the regime is not sustainable unless he makes progress in that regard. but you say that the regime is about trying to take over south korea. but certainly they would see that also as the demise and the end of the kim jong un dynasty if you will, the rule of north korea if they were to try to do something like that. the administration has been clear about that. we don t want to destroy north korea is what nikki haley said. the kim regime may think they can get us to break the treaty and leave south korea. donald trump as candidate in march of 2016 said that the united states should get out and let the south koreans and the japanese build their own nuclear arsenals. i m sure the kim regime said look, maybe the americans are going to go. but also he knows that he can t fight a war with south korea. but he doesn t think he has to. he thinks he has enough support in south korea to be able to intimidate seoul into surrendering. that may sound crazy but nonetheless that s the way he thinks. when i look at this issue, i see gridlock. when the americans want to work with the russias and chinese they find gridlock. the president not keen on having the kind of rhetoric out of washington. how is there a way that this situation gets resolved diplomatically without any of the gridlocks that i have been talking about? yes. but only if the united states for instance starts to impose real costs on the chinese so they have no choice but to help us to disarm north korea. economic trade conflict as one of our guests said earlier. yeah. so many things we can do. for instance, impose costs on chinese banks who have been money laundering for the north koreans. we have the trade investigation for chinese intellectual property abuses. that could lead to the across the board tariffs that would injure the chinese economy. all sorts of things that the trump administration wants to do if he wants to. now, the chinese have the leverage over north korea because in addition to the trade they do with the north and all of the diplomatic support they provide, chinese leaders provide confidence to kim regime elements they re safe from the international community. if beijing were to signal it no longer supported kim, you would see many head for the exits in one way or the other. there would be an end to kim jong un s rule if beijing wanted it. now they don t want it, but also got to remember we do not give china the costs to make the incentives to get them to do this. certainly, we haven t talked about russia and what role the u.s. can play to incentivize them to cooperate. unfortunately we have run out of time. great to see you. thank you. well, coming up more on the breaking news we re following in the russia investigation. we told you about michael cohen he s set to testify before the senate intelligence committee on tuesday. boost. it s about moving forward, not back. it s looking up, not down. it s being in motion. boost® high protein it s intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. boost® the number one high protein complete nutritional drink. but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain.like most people. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i m glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who ve had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can do more with my family. talk to your doctor today. see if lyrica can help. at ally, we re doing digital financial services right. at but if that s not enough, we have 7500 allys looking out for one thing, you. call in the next ten minutes to save on. and if that s not enough, we ll look after your every dollar. put down the phone. and if that s not enough, we ll look after your every cent. grab your wallet. access denied. and if that s still not enough to help you save. ooo i need these! we ll just bring out the snowplow. you don t need those! we ll do anything, seriously anything, to help our customers. thanks. ally. do it right. i start at the new carfax.comar. show me minivans with no reported accidents. boom. love it. [struggles] show me the carfax. start your used car search at the all-new carfax.com. welcome back. our breaking news, president trump s personal attorney michael cohen confirms to nbc news he ll appear before the senate intelligence committee on tuesday. the russia investigations in both the senate and house have been intensifying this month. let s bring in jess mcintosh an adviser on hillary clinton s 2016 campaign. she s now the executive director of share blue. and nbc political analyst rick tyler. great to have you both with us. rick, let me begin with you if i may. days ago there was a profile of cohen in vanity fair, i m the guy who protects the president and the family i m the guy who would take a bullet for the president. that was in response to cohen s claim that steve bannon accused him of leaking during the campaign. but i m curious to get your thoughts. does that mindset affect how candid he will be with congress? can his testimony be trusted on tuesday? well, look, he knows that it s illegal to lie to congress so i expect him to tell the truth to congress but it will be interesting to see how michael cohen reacts. often lawyers don t make good witnesses and donald trump had trouble throughout his career and recently getting top him be seems to want to them to do things that they don t feel ethically comfortable with. it s also interesting to me that michael cohen, when asked, didn t know if this senate intelligence hearing was public or private but it would seem a competent lawyer would want to know that going in. do you expect him to cooperate fully on tuesday or do you think he is going to potentially try to strike a deal to wave off some of the other investigations, the house side investigation? i think that s entirely possible. his number one goal seems to be protecting donald trump. that seems to be he s positioned himself as his pit bull. his first line of defense. i want to remind people that sometimes he s not very good at defending president trump. the first time he burst onto the national scene, it was because reports had surfaced of an old rape allegation by ivana trump to donald trump and he defended the president not by saying that never happened but one can t rape one s wife which is a lousy, awful, horrible defense that had donald trump been in his place would not have made. he s going to try to do his best, but his best is very often not very good. and rick, michael cohen is one of these individuals, a top tier individual in the world, a person who straddles both his personal and business relationships. it was in august that they reported that cohen e-mailed vladimir putin s personal spokesman about advancing a stalled trump tower project in moscow and that was, by some accounts, the most direct outreach known to have happened by a senior trump aides during the campaign with someone high up in the kremlin. the white house special counsel says the fact there was no apparent response shows that there was no sign of collusion. you think that s going to be enough for the senate? i don t think so. it would appear by e-mailing essentially the spokespr person for president putin, he didn t have a real connection. todd hammer of the washington post reported the e-mail was tantamount to info @kremlin.spy if you will. and it was boneheaded and tells me that donald trump really wanted to get this deal going on a trump tower in moscow and it sent michael cohen to make it happen. it doesn t seem michael cohen was freelansing here. he was acting on behalf of then candidate trump. but i get a sense he may not be the most efficient at what he was trying to do since he was e-mailing this alias. it s something somebody would do when you don t have a connection and you have to try anything to get it done. he did succeed at it but they clearly didn t have the connections in moscow whereas all their competitors, hilton, the ritz-carlton, on and on, they ve all had multiple hotels in russia and trump still doesn t. do you expect there are multiple investigations? the robert mueller. we ll have some impact on the mueller investigation or on the house side? i would imagine that i mean, michael cohen is more so than anybody with the possible exception of kushner. he s at the center of every new russia allegation. n when you point to the most blatant, obvious evidence of collusion, the e-mail saying, would you like some help from the russians? yes, we would. it s either donald trump jr. or michael cohen sending and receiving those e-mails. i wouldn t imagine there s an investigation into russia collusion out there that doesn t have michael cohen in its sights. let me ask you about the timing of the testimony. the same day the president will be on the world stage. what is going to overshadow the other? which one is anything to play out more significantly if you will, the testimony in d.c. or the president on the world stage? ultimately it could be the testimony in d.c. i think that day we ll be rightfully focused on the president s, you know, first u.n. general assembly. this is a body he s been incredibly insulting to. and now has to go in the middle of many very serious foreign policy and diplomatic flare ups that he seems to have very little understanding of. on tuesday, that s probably where people s minds will be. however, as the testimony starts to leak, this could be really critical down the road. rick, let me ask you about the president on the world stage. he got some mixed reviews about his performance at the g20 earlier in the year. the former treasury secretary lawrence summers called it erratic. do you expect anything to change at the u.n. this week? do you think he s going to be very on point, on prompter with his messaging or can we see donald trump tweeting out throughout the course of the week? i know some of the people involved in speech writing, and i expect him to be very on point and not drift off and certainly not leave the script. he knows it s an important speech which makes the michael cohen testimony all the more curious. it s amazing that he would have allowed this to step on or even interfere with, and it will. it s going to impact the coverage of donald trump. he would have had the whole day to himself. now he has to share it with his lawyer. this is going to be a test for h.r. mcmaster in the new role of national security adviser as well. what do you want to see president trump say on the world stage this tuesday? i just want him to stop embarrassing himself and the country on the world stage. when he tweets things like rocket man today in the middle of a very serious foreign and diplomatic problems, it just shows that we re being led by somebody who doesn t get it and has no interest in grasping it. i m hopeful he gets there and tries to buckle it in. we ve never seen that donald trump so i m not expecting it. rick, i ll see if your bar is any higher. hers is that he doesn t embarrass himself. what is your bar for what you d like to see from trump this tuesday or this week? he s said for over a year the expectations for donald trump are very low. i think he ll exceed them. i think he ll deliver a pretty good speech. jess mcintosh and rick tyler. coming up on tuesday, join joe, mika and willie as they celebrate ten years of morning joe. don t miss morning joe s special anniversary show at 6:00 a.m. eastern here on msnbc. discover card.