the two leaders. >> obviously that choir plane crash was tragic and we know the trump team loves to say merry christmas but how many times can you call and text the same russian ambassador? joining me now msnbc terrorism analyst malcolm nantz and matt taibbi author of the book "insane clown president." let me start with you matt and then go to you, malcolm. here's an example of the kind of thing we're dealing with. the facts are unclear and in dispute, they seem to move back and forth. there is at one level a totally innocent explanation. there's some business that has to happen between an incoming transition and the russian ambassador but then there's some weird documents around it. and you wrote this piece yesterday saying some line about how we going to get something more important than what we're flying through right now? >> there are two completely different narratives. there's one where basically the russians let's just say -- i mean the people that i talked to have a high degree of confidence they were involved with the