them like rats. so, this does to an extent bring about some equality, because the russians have dominance but not air superiority. so, this does certainly change the dynamic, and changes the dynamic in a way the people here in ukraine want very much because they feel with their fighting spirit and fighting for their home they have an advantage if you can keep everything equal on the ground, now what you've done instead is made things more equal in the sky, depending on how this is executed. >> john: it's john here. i'm wondering what the reaction of vladimir putin is going to be to all of this. i assume it's not going to be good. >> no, and you heard him say that any act like this or planes taking off, etc., would be perceived as an act of war on the part of the west. and it's very interesting how hard and fast that line at the polish border is in terms of both e.u. and nato.