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gearing up for the presidential rematch that absolutely no one really wanted? as one poll told nwc news, i don't think biden has done much as president. if trump gets elected, i just feel it will be the same thing as it was before biden got elected. and to that point is this low level interest in this year's election due to a broader sense that our political system is broken and that our government isn't representing us. no matter where you fit on the political spectrum. to answer all those questions, life questions i would say, let's bring in the former senior aid for the biden-harris campaign. matthew doughty analyst, and also with us jonathan alter and msnbc contributor. adrian, i'll start with you. just to be clear, i disagree with that assessment. i don't think joe biden and donald trump are the same for this country. i know that was a quote we shared from one person who participated in the poll.