point swing yet what i wrote in my piece today is that if donald trump is sentenced to prison, if he is facing some sort of jail time incarceration, that could be the sort of thing that lower information voters, less engaged voters who right now have heard that he's guilty. but think, look, people are always saying donald trump's a bad guy. that's nothing new. suddenly the thought of having to vote for someone for president, not just who has a label of convicted felon, but who is actually facing prison time. i wonder if that might give some swing voters even more pause and actually be something that would more dramatically shift the race in biden's favor. >> megan, i want to get your response to that. what do you think? >> yeah. i mean, i think but he is actually facing jail time and that's up to the judge. what's going to happen, but i do think people care if he's convicted felon. people don't want a convicted felon being the leader of our country that's just i mean, we need to expect more from our leaders and i do think it's going to matter on the margins. when people start to cast ballots, when they start early voting in september and october, knee and malika, let me get your thoughts on this final question. you heard trump bragged about his massive

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