president that there was interference. i think the dispute is whether there was some kind of collusion, excuse me, conspiracy, which is an agreement to commit an illegal act. i think everyone looking at this investigation, don, is looking and eyeing whether they could connect the dots. who is they? mueller's team. in order to connect dots as it relates to russian collusion and it relates to the trump administration trying to get information and working with the russians alongside of them collectively agreeing, defining collusion you need to have some people who might be knowledge ableas so that. if you get these people from the russian community who could talk to the meeting and could talk to the connection between the campaign and members of the russian government, you can establish that nexus and connection. so that's why they're central to mueller's investigation. >> harry, an attorney appeared on cnn a short while ago. take a listen to this. >> they never spoke to the president about the meeting before or after and they never heard anything, either before or