koreans many times. he said it is inconceivable that kim jong-un would not know about an american that is being held in one of his prisons because that is an important bargaining chip for north korea on any number of issues. so it is inconceivable that that would be the case. maybe we shouldn't get lost or let it be lost the fact that we should feel so horribly for the family. they don't want to have to be the arbiter -- they don't want tobe in the middle of this. >> kim jong-un rules his country with an iron fist. he had to know what was going on. we have tracked what happened in north korea enough to know that anytime something happens that is a surprise to kim jong-un, we know how he deals with those sorts of things. you are absolutely right that he had to have known. with regard to the family, i