slang in other words to give a more crass take of the call. >> yeah. he knew that. he has made himself a central figure in this case. we were talking about this off air. there was less than 23 hours of time of the democratic side. he spoke almost 40% of the time, he knew this was coming much he had to try and get ahead of it. we'll see how much more they go into that and how much they tie this to the whistle-blower reaching out to his staff before filing the complaint. i think there's more to come on that. >> the more you make it political, the less likely you are to get republicans to break. if you make it about the politics, not about the substance of the democratic case, which was pretty compelling, then you shut down the witnesses. we'll continue the conversation. up next, two legal teams with very different arguments and approaches and what this trial could mean for future impeachments and washington's balance of power. with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge.