convey enormous amounts of privacy to these web retailers and nobody sees to complain about that. in fact, they're much more intrucive -- >> i guess the argument would be made, well, that's not the government, they don't have police powers. amazon and american express don't have police powers. >> the issue is it's not just the government doing it, people are worried about what will be done with this information. i think your information is obviously given the story of target stores is more at risk in the private sector than the nsa. >> the nsa actually has no police powers. the nsa just gathering -- >> excellent point. >> reams of information for possible clues that they would pass on, let's say, if someone is calling from pakistan, a known terrorist, is calling a number in utah, you know, ten times in the span of two weeks. they would pass it on to the fbi. which then would look into it, we have to get a warrant -- >> you have to get a warrant. >> it's like police gathering tips. >> what about this report by the president's appointed panel,
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