tied deal weighing multinational. >> i got to tell you something, we wouldn't see $20 billion in a case like there p. look at exxon. it would be decades before the legal system would be able to render anything close. the only people that would have made any money on this thing would be the corporate defense lawyers that are being paid $2,000 an hour to do what they're supposed to doen an that's make sure nobody prompz so this is unprecedented. look, this is all i do, as you probably know is complex cases like this. it's unprecedented to have a corporation be forced by leadership to say, we don't trust you and we want your money now. to do this in the legal system is almost impossible. you can't go back and find an example of this kind of leadership yielding this kind of money in any legal setting in america. >> so mike, what about the strategy of all of this? president obama took a lot of heat in his interview with matt lauer on "the today show" for admitting that he had not called and talked to tony hayward.