but across this country, we have seen plants like this shut down. profitable plants full of hardworking americans who are ready to do the job. and the tragedy of it is that so many of them have been shut by bain capital. and there's a guy in the crowd tonight, dr. ray lindsay, he's from southern illinois university, emeritus professor. he did a study of how many jobs bain capital has taken out, outsourced. more than 15,000. people who made products like mr. coffee, sunbeam. products we know used to be made in america now under the mitt romney model those jobs have been outsourced to china. >> your thoughts, george? >> well, it's a terrible thing. you know, we have asked governor romney, and president obama, to come to freeport. we are home of the lincoln/douglas debate site. what a better place to debate than in freeport? >> lincoln and douglas. the lincoln/douglas debate,