spent some time overseas fighting in syria or fighting elsewhere. fighting with isis. trained with isis. it's difficult to tell whether or not there was any strong organizational link to isis. there's no doubt about the fact these were professional people. very, very well trained and with a great deal of military experience. but -- it demonstrates an enormous -- two things. an enormous planning that took place and the fact these people are part of a very large group of people inside france. who are easily recruited to do this sort of thing. >> colonel jack jacobs thank you for being with me. and ayman mohyeldin is back with me now as we wait to hear from secretary john kerry at any moment at the state department. and there you see the live shot we're expecting. the secretary speak. ayman, let's talk about what is