think that global steel and aluminum and instead increasing tension between the united states and some of its key allies including canada and japan is much more likely to potentially have impacts on our national security. so, while we're seeing within the white house a lot of tensions and very high emotions and this type of tension and this type of frustration goes between the white house and other major agencies, as well. >> what we have always seen here before, kevin, after these difficult times the president goes to a sounding board, right? he goes to one of his main resorts, in this case, he's in florida this saturday for a bit and he's asking folks that are around him, what do you think? and at least by the reporting that he's having a better day today. >> hey, richard, yeah. so, a couple things about the tariffs. first and foremost, everyone in the market world understands that china has been abusing the steel industry for quite some time here.