former chief of staff at the cia and at the pentagon. robert, i would like to begin with you. what is the degree to which the trump camp was caught off guard by just the idea of 30 hours of don mcgahn testimony in front of the special counsel? >> it's not tonight trump camp caught off guard. it was mcgahn himself a year ago who was found this whole strategy by john dowd and ty cobb, the president's lawyers, to be off. mcgahn didn't agree with the cooperation strategy when it came to the mueller probe. he advised against it. he went along with the cooperation, setting the over 1 million documents from the white house and offering his time. in fact, i saw mcgahn go into mueller's office around 6:00 a.m. one morning when i was staking it out. he was fully cooperative then and ever since. >> there's some reporting. hey, joyce, cobb and dowd, their decision to waive