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>> it is not a long shot, kasie. believe it or not. you have to go right back to the constitution. so look, article i, section 3 of the constitution says like you said, the vice president shall be the president of the senate. the person who is in effect controlling or running the senate, sort of why kamala harris over the last two years cast so many tiebreak votes because she was in a role as president of the senate. you read a little further into the constitution, there's this speech or debate clause. article 1, section 6. it says members of congress shall not be questioned, and that's interpreted to mean in court over actions that come in their official duties. the question is does mike pence count under the law as qu quote/unquote a member of congress when he's seated at the dais. you and i both know he's vice president of the united states, number two of the president, but that role as the principal leader of the senate might come into some legal questioning. and courts have to sort that out. >> yeah, i mean, it really is