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to be a very, very clear in 2024, and that we cannot play any games about making sure that he does not step back into that office. >> on the flip side, david, the new york times reports some members of the gop view biden as such a weak candidate that picking the most electable candidate to beat him no longer matters. is this a miscalculation? >> it absolutely is a miscalculation. particularly if you are talking about a republican candidate in donald trump or even a ron desantis who is out of step on so many cultural and maga issues with a general election populist. look, joe biden is going to run on the growing economy that lifts all people, ladders of opportunity, education, health care, and industry. he is going to say i can do all this while protecting our democracy and ensuring personal freedoms and voting rights and personal rights. that contrasts with a donald trump who is seeking vindication and retribution and absolution of his own criminality.