he believes, unless we reform health care, ten years from now or eight years from now we'll be right back where we are with the economy in a deep and nasty recession. he's trying to do that. the question is, has he figured out what's possible? we're still working our way through that. and i do think presidents, it makes them more than a few months to make that transition from being a candidate to being president. nothing prepares you for being president like being president, something bill clinton and i think both george bushes have talked about in their private conversations. >> does he have the right people? >> i think he has the right people. i think he needs to have -- i don't think there's bad people around him, he has very good people around him -- >> does he have the people he needs? >> i think presidents need to make the circle bigger and that's true of them too. the circle is too small and i don't think they have enough -- >> too chicago? >> i don't know if it's too chicago, but you have to get bigger. and that's hard. it was a group that won a campaign by holding it close and controlling it very tightly. that's not possible once you become president. so the transition from small to big to bigger is hard.