for liberals to watch pass through here because liberals wanted to go with opening up medicare, a system that we know how it works, we can describe it, it's a very successful system. and so liberals didn't get a chance to open up medicare, to put that on the table. and instead they're left defending these very complex and in many cases very ugly ideas like the individual mandate that is a huge benefit for insurance companies, is punitive to people with low incomes, it's a tough thing for liberals to watch. and at some point the question becomes, is this a bad enough bill that from the left you should vote against it? i don't know exactly where that line is. >> i will agree with your statement but amend it very slightly. very difficult things for humans to watch go through. doesn't have anything to do with liberals. lawrence o'donnell from msnbc and huffington post, formally of the senate finance committee. as always, thanks. >> thanks, keith. more on the insurance industry complaint about punishing those that don't buy. let me welcome back wendell