reform. several of these provisions have the opposite effect. >> chiffry system, pro-waste and anti-patient education. that's what proponents are going to end up doing effectively. >> senator max baucus had already denied that premiums would increase after the congressional budget office released its cost sometimes of the bill last wednesday. he address what he had called myths about his bill. >> myth number three, some say that our bill will cause premiums to go up. that, too is false. a lot of things in our bill that would cause premiums to go down. >> now, keep in mind, all this comes a day before the senate finance committee is due to vote on the baucus plan and it could help fuel republican opposition. joining us now from the white house, nbc's mike viqueira. mike, let's talk about the relationship between the insurance industry and the white house. friend, enemy or frenemy, which is it? >> i guess frenemy bwould be th best but not the best