i called golden rule and they said that if i would get sterilized they would then be able to offer insurance to me. i discover that in all but five states it is legal to discriminate against women because of a previous cesarean by denying coverage, requiring sterilization or charging higher premiums. >> joining me now is katrina, editor of "the nation." it's amazing what we'll finding out happening in america. >> that testimony so important because we learn once again that lives are in the balance. all the lobbyists want us to forget, but there's a reason that you fight every day on your program for a public option. to reign in the insurance companies, which are doing that to this woman. so i think we need to listen, we can listen to all the cbo scoring but at the end of the day human rights should not be a for-profit commodity. >> thank you, because it is a priority. it's not a price tag, it's a