anti-corruption benchmarks. what the president is doing here, kate, throw as many lies as possible as he can into one tweet. i think to try to confuse the american public about what's going on. >> or slow things down slightly. >> that's actually, eli and i were discussing this moments ago. regardless of what happens with the mcgahn ruling. regardless of what happens with the other cuperman ruling later in december. this has been an effective strategy by the white house in the sense it has slowed things down. you think of the mcgahn subpoena which originally came in april. >> yes. >> we are now eight months after the fact and this is being litigated. charles cuperman's case is not happening until mid-december. the time 39 appeal is using. >> when you talk about april. would the appeal for the mcgahn case be that many months away? >> it would take too long. you have to go through the court of appeals, potentially the supreme court. the only thing i would say there is a rarely used mechanism you can jump right up to the supreme