the first time around. >> it's terrible. and it's gotten even worse. trump has hired devin nunes, the former congressman who broke a record for filing lawsuits against reporters and journalists and a fake pal on twitter for defamation. he's going to be the head of trump's new media company, which is just crazy. and i think the sort of blending together of what the public sees as journalists with the government is a very, very bad development for everyone, for citizens, for journalists, for the political people who want to run a government. so, i think it's dangerous, jim. i did think it was funny all the hand wringing over pete ducey and president biden called him and apologized. and in your case, they stripped your press pass away in the dead of night. >> right. >> so, there is a huge contrast. and, again, no presidents really like being badgered by the