states against russia. this is russia versus nato and the western world, so to speak, in terms of whether or not a country can have an autonomous, sovereign nation that is free. that's the issue right now. president putin came back, and he said no, this is a case of northern aggression. it's nato aggression. but the fact is, what is happening is that putin now has 175,000 troops or will have on the border. he's threatening to invade. he could militarily do it pretty soon. and so i think he's had out his case. he has some issues that have some merit. we ought to listen to those and then find out a way to say how do we calm this down? the last thing we want is a pill tear confrontation. >> i want to get this in. these things don't happen in a vacuum. china is lashing out after the diplomatic boycott of the olympics, saying the u.s. will pay the price.